Alex O'Connor vs The Bible - And the Bible Loses!

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Alex O'Connor vs Dinesh D'Souza
‪@CosmicSkeptic‬ ‪@dineshdsouza‬
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[@Pangburn]

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[@janettedewar6617]

What are you trying to prove Pangburn that there is no God? Shame on you, life is short hell is eternal which will you choose it is your choice. that is if God will have mercy on you. Shame on you. Furthermore, you are being used by the devil & you do not even get that. I have warned you about your sins. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. You seek knowledge without wisdom which is a very foolish thing to have...

[@jonicontrabass]

Are you trying to suppress Christianity? Are you those atheists that hates religion? If you really do hate it then you should try to be more respectful like Alex O’Connor. May god bless your soul. Shame on you trying to attack people by stating something that is false in your thumbnail and your channel. Try watching the Cliff and Alex debate. Some atheists just attack like you and aren’t respectful Mr O’Connor.

[@WilliamPappas-b6o]

Social media is our version of the Tower of Babel

[@jonicontrabass]

@@WilliamPappas-b6o lol

[@janettedewar6617]

So pangburn are you now going to have a speaker proving the koran is fake???? I await this.

[@marklord7614]

I read another post that states "If Dinesh survives this debate then it's proof of the resurrection". C'mon, that's funny. He got killed here.

[@D-Pocalypse]

🎯

[@BeckDaniel]

LMFAO

[@hjtapia74]

I was Christian for 50 years (20 Catholic and 30 Christian), the guy, Dinesh? Showcases he is a Catholic who has lived in that bubble all his life. He never heard of the contradictions between Matthew and Luke? Give me a break.

[@Jessiejam-44]

DS He is a Grifter. The BS 2000 mules film should discredit Him from now on

[@someguy-g4r]

​@@hjtapia74catholics don't consider the Bible as literal.

[@alex537alex537]

Dinesh never answers a question. He changes the subject. Because he knows that to answer a question direectly, he would be revealed to be the charlatan he is.

[@daveyboots79]

Yes it's infuriating. He pretends to start answering and then stops and effectively says 'look.. let me shift the goal posts for a second' Every.. damn.. time!

[@TeresaGlenn-mo4ff]

Baffle em with bullshit!! Poor Dinesh is really bad at this and doesn’t even know it!!!

[@JohnDavis-e3c]

Denish makes from 5k to 8k an hour.

[@bensteven3091]

Which raises the question why anyone is still debating him. In particuar someone as smart as Alex?

[@Sean-gh1op]

If this were a psychological evaluation Ganesh would only have a crutch to stand on and no leg whatsoever also he is so concerned with mocking Alex instead of speaking for himself.

[@antondovydaitis2261]

Never forget for a moment that Dinesh makes his living by lying.

[@ihatemagas]

Yes he does.

[@JohnDavis-e3c]

5K to 8K an Hour.

[@JohnDavis-e3c]

Denish charges from 5,000 to 9,000 dollars an hour.

[@ihatemagas]

@@JohnDavis-e3c fools and their money are soon parted.

[@chadcwk]

Christopher Hitchens says (or said) it best…. “…religious leaders make their living lying to children…by telling them if they don’t make the right prayers that they will spend an eternity in hell” (or close to that). It’s a scare tactic to keep the youth wanting to come to church as an adult so the leaders can get more money.

[@jacklarm2170]

Why do apologists like Dinesh and Peterson rarely speak to the other person on stage, and seem to always address their nonsense to the audience? Are they repressed preachers?

[@CommanderCodyChipless]

Yes, but also it's their way of coming off smarter than they are. JP and Dinesh talk to people like they are teaching a class. It's their way to do a lot of mental gymnastics to make points "Maybe if I talk long enough and create long examples as if they are stories the audience won't realize I got nothing of substance to say!"

[@Daeva83B]

@@CommanderCodyChipless I'm just thinking now.. I think, because it's 2 different fields. Science (dealing with the real world, being factual) tends to be very direct and no nonsense and testable, that's why they can sometimes answer with a yes or a no. Like engineering, something works or it doesn't work. Religion is more vague.. Lets mention psychology, it's science.. but it has the same problem.. you need a lot of words and sometimes you need to read between the words in order to understand it. It's intuitive, it's feelings.. it's just more vague.. How do you explain your own inner workings? As far as i know, i can't describe that in math. They need the stories in order to be understood.. and there are always hidden meanings to be found in various scriptures.. But that's not science or fact, call it wisdom or poetry with a deep meaning or whatever..

[@CommanderCodyChipless]

@Daeva83B then why would I care? If people want to say that the Bible and religion and all the things adjacent are all metaphorical and are not making any truth claims about morality, history, or that a god exists, I have no issue. Live your life. But the moment someone starts to suggest that these scriptures that depict historical moments in history, like the great flood, or that morality is objective meaning it's an unchanging entity of its own, that's when science does come into the discussion, and must be appealed to. The great flood could not have happened because of "the heat issue (look it up)" amongst other things like how did animals hyper-evolve within 6000 years. There's no objective morality, issue being it appeals to a being or entity outside of the human conscious that has implemented unchanging laws of morality, which incites a divine being. When these discussions come down to these kinds of claims, it's imperitive use science as a tool for logical argumentation.

[@Daeva83B]

@@CommanderCodyChipless I totally agree with you, i don't know why you care, but I care because i see it's ignorant to believe in these stories and i actually find it dangerous, when people let common sense go.. they can believe in anything and it goes both ways.. It can be good (being helpful and being a good person).. and it can be very bad (doing harm, in the name of... ) . But in the end, positive or negative it's still a self-lie.. people are fooling themselves with all these superstition and whatever they believe in. And then.. when we lose all sense of reason, its a free for all, things will go crazy real fast.

[@commandershepard7728]

@@Daeva83B If you think Religion is more vague than quantum mechanics, I got some "science" for you to catch up on. Also, Engineering is an aspect of science, not all science is a Yes or a no. Examply: Which shame does the earth have. Answer yes or no, please. Lastly, Wisdom is "having knowledge" and claiming that scripture takes Wisdom is IRONIC in of itself.

[@andyhodge9703]

In all the videos I've watched that feature D'Souza , he never comes across as anything other than disingenuous . His arguments are weak , his defense of his beliefs unconvincing .

[@brucebakken5687]

I came to the comments to say exactly the same thing! I haven't watched a lot of him.. but watching this I was struck by how disingenuous he is. It is so easy to spot.

[@d_camara]

His defense of his believes is looking away from the other person and preaching to the audience

[@bensteven3091]

Which raises the question why anyone is still debating him. In particuar someone as smart as Alex?

[@JakobEslinger]

​@@bensteven3091Im glad he did. This is probably the most transparent take down I've seen. He is unable to answer any questions and the answers he tries to give are so painfully flawed that it's hard for anyone, even if you agree with his position, it's hard to stand by his responses.

[@glennharris3862]

Take the shovel away from Dinesh, the hole he is digging for himself is deep enough.

[@evondemil5608]

😂😂😂

[@StinFriggins]

Never keep your enemies from thwarting themselves

[@Sean-gh1op]

He could start a new coal mine...

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

​@@Sean-gh1ophe could start the liftshaft to the antepodes from the Total Rekall reboot...

[@JohnDavis-e3c]

Not going to stop his 5,000 to 8,000 dollars an hour.

[@rodseller9936]

This is what happens when you read and study the Bible. You become a non-believer.

[@zeals100]

It's always best to listen to the clergyman and go home put it in a shelf and go to church the next Sunday until forever comes😅😅😅

[@redbrickhustla86]

have you ever read it? i mean like really read it?

[@someguy-g4r]

​@@redbrickhustla86I have, it's a nice piece of mythology that reads like any other mythology. Lots of good lessons wrapped in metaphor

[@rodseller9936]

@redbrickhustla86 I lost most of my youth to the religion. On top of all that the book promotes racism and slavery.

[@FlashRayLaser]

​@@redbrickhustla86 Have you? Be honest with yourself. Have you ever read the entire Bible front-to-back? If not, why haven't you when it's apparently so important? I have. Several times (because of various versions). Doing so made me an atheist. You'll find this is a common atheist origin story: Actually reading the Bible.

[@Marchant2]

"Why does it matter?" Well, millions upon millions of christians say the bible is the "inerrant word of god". THAT is why it matters because these inconsistencies prove these christians are wrong and also prove that god didn't write the bible.

[@msdeaver1]

Millions of people are watching west huffhuff and Joe rogan have a revolution and you got this guy. Billy Carson just got destroyed and this guy thinks he's going to Publish something that is going to gather wind as if he's not gonna get out to go and have to bebate someone that knows what they're talking about

[@Panicfan1982]

I’m a Christian and believe in Jesus. I say that for context… I believe; God did not write the Bible! God wrote the Bible!

[@hibernopithecus7500]

@@Panicfan1982Wait, what!?

[@drkintobor2597]

​@@hibernopithecus7500 Did you see that recent neuroscience study that linked religion with brain damage? Because I think that might be whats happened here.

[@hibernopithecus7500]

@@drkintobor2597 😄 I agree.

[@JohnComeOnMan]

Dinesh's tell when he's cornered is the lip-licking. Reminds me of one of those geckos that licks their eyeballs.

[@chamicels]

lol

[@VeracityMedia]

🤣

[@Sph1nx13]

Teddy KGB

[@jordanvannortwick9426]

He can speak to snakes

[@D-Pocalypse]

😏

[@MrMattSax]

Dinesh laughs and says “I don’t know why you’re nitpicking, this whole thing is about the feels, not the reals!”

[@OpenMind4U2C]

😂

[@avi8r66]

The Abraham / Isaac story is one of the more disgusting stories in the bible. It's a loyalty test by an evil naracissist, one that isn't even necessary for an all knowing being.

[@L_o_c_a_l_G_u_y]

It perfectly captures Christianity's authoritarian roots.

[@msdeaver1]

All the gods were sacrificing children. He needed to know If this person was absolutely devout in his heart to follow all the way and when it got done all the way A replacement sacrifice was already there. Do you understand? He was supposed to offer an animal and the lord put it in his heart That he would have on when he got there. So when he got there and didn't sacrifice his son because it was only a test With a strong reminder of never ever sacrificing humans ever again , when that occurred a ram came out of nowhere and that was the 1 that was sacrificed. But it was supposed to be a lamb not a ram So when the ram Was given that arrangement still wasn't fulfilled and was offered again which was his son or the lamb. so that specific that specific covenant that was made with Abraham was fulfilled centuries later by God who supplied his own sacrifice, twice. Once there with a ram and 1 as his son later. Look for the scholars you have no excuse Find the questions in your heart with the holy spirit you have no excuse

[@avi8r66]

@ Think it through. All knwing god. Also it kknows what is in yur heart/mind. So, would such a being need to test anyone to see what they woukld do? Also he tied the kid up and put him on the altar and raised the knife, only stopping when an angel stopped him. He was going to do it. So none of this "he opted for the animal instead" stuff, he thought God wanted him to kill his kid and so he was going to do so. As mentioned God has no need to test a person. He knows what everyone thinks and will do in any situation. Think it through just a tiny bit and you will see the problem.

[@L_o_c_a_l_G_u_y]

@@avi8r66 maybe the test is so that we know the results too?? 🤔

[@L_o_c_a_l_G_u_y]

@@msdeaver1 God: Sacrifice a child to me. Abraham: Okay. God: You were willing to do something evil for me. You pass. 👍🏻 I will no longer twist myself into pretzels to explain away the Bible's BS. 🤷🏻

[@moonshoes11]

The gospel writers are constantly… Contradicting each other.

[@shanegreen1477]

​@thebestguyaroundtown they are literally debating contradictions in the Bible in this video. If there were no contradictions there would be no debate!

[@moonshoes11]

@@JamesArthurJr All prophets are false prophets.

[@SoukenIDK]

​@@JamesArthurJrwell just a few quick ones for you: - luke claims jesus date of birth roughly a decade later then matthew does. - luke claims mary and joseph live in nazareth, matthew claims bethlehem. - matthews sermon on the mount, yet on luke it was on a plain. - every "last word of jesus" is different. - different claims of days, locations and chain of events across the board - different resurrection claims, chain of events and even people involved. The list goes on and on the deeper you dig. That said, you will find enough on the surface as it is.

[@nihlify]

@@JamesArthurJr Since you can't even name one you're not fit to have a conversation with.

[@Lord_CV]

​@@JamesArthurJrbro did not watch the video

[@mirandahotspring4019]

Whenever Dinesh is asked a difficult question he simply answers a different one. I've never seen goalposts move so fast! Alex asks about the historicity of the gospels and Dinesh answers with a discourse about Thucydides!

[@yophono5929]

Came here to comment the same. The amount of goalpost shifting Was insane.

[@BattleBrotherCasten]

Where is Wes Huff when you need him?

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@BattleBrotherCasten Hiding.

[@NightBane345]

Religious people: My book is historical and shows historical events and people. It's so much more than just fairy tales. Atheists: So which is correct, when it contradicts itself, because it says A here, then B here, which one is it? Religious people: Ohhhh no, it's not important, or you just interpret it wrong way, and it's beyond human kind to fully understand. Religious people who think their texts are something divine and beyond human kind to understand/comprehend or we "focus" on the wrong things, really have swallowed the hock, the line and the whole rod, and stopped thinking for themselves properly. And behave like sheep, just as the Romans wanted their people to do all those thousands of years ago when it came to Christianity, as they took that religion and made it their own. Follow the rules, be a good sheep, and you'll end up in a "paradise" after you have ended your life, even if you suffered horrible under our religion, you'll be there. Well, if you paid enough to the church of course, and never for a second questioned the religion, if you didn't pay enough, or doubted, sorry, you'll not get into your paradise. Sowwy

[@WilliamPappas-b6o]

The religious Folk try to find any historical fact of that era to prove their belief in the Supernatural. The operative word of the faithful should be therefore. Yada yada yada therefore God did it. There's a famine therefore God did it for a reason we don't understand yada yada yada, I mentioned the lobster bisque.

[@MingusDew_Bebop]

Anyone who has ever read the Bible, even in pervert pedophile English, can only come to one conclusion, the revelation that Jesus Christ is just the damned Sun. That's the entire point of Apocalypse. The idiot masses think that word means the end of the world, when it only meant the ending of religion.

[@D.MarcelloRadice]

Seen your toxicity, obsession and frustration as atheists, and seen you are not just been part of a religion, but a religious cult, that push people into the war of religions, I got why less people want be like this and why the religion of atheism, started fe3w decaedes ago is destinated quikly to die. And none will miss it not even you, there is too much negativity in your religion, and religious leaders.....

[@Clembob420]

Weak rage bait. Also indulgences haven’t been a thing for centuries lol

[@NightBane345]

@@Clembob420 The weak rage bait, as you put it, got you involved into the comment and leave one. So I'd say it worked, even if you find it "weak" But everything I wrote is correct, it's based on facts on how religion has worked for millennia at this point. If you can't see that, I guess you need to go back to school and learn more history

[@rajhonadavid410]

Absolutely destroyed by Alex. Completely destroyed.

[@msdeaver1]

We all need a little Billy Carson in our lives lol And then the downfall that comes with

[@nikitakucherov5028]

Bible says moon produces its own light, we now know thats dead wrong - his response “who cares?”

[@MingusDew_Bebop]

In 2150 we are doing away with the 7 day week. People are going to protest. Why? Because they believe we only have 5 planets in our solar system? Or because they are simply stupid in general? Stupidity is the root cause of evil. We live in a world of pathetic idiots.

[@AngeloBetrulas]

Totally agree. It's either, "Who cares??" or, "That's not what the Bible meant..." Always with the bullsh*t!

[@JohnJohn-cu7nk]

​​@@InTruthandLove Genesis 1:16 Isaiah 30:26 Ezekiel 32:7 Genesis : God made two lights .One for day and one for night. Mark 13:24

[@randomdaveUK]

​@@InTruthandLove but there aren't two lights there's one. Also, this indicates the sun was made after the earth, which is also wrong

[@davidrice6224]

This was a massacre. But I can't believe even Dinesh takes the utter nonsense he's spouting even remotely seriously.

[@xxnoxx-xp5bl]

I honestly don't know how Diniesh still gets paid to go this - he's so painfully disingenuous and bad at it.

[@oqihouqiop]

He is a professional grifter, anywhere idiots need their points argued he will be there asking for money

[@Jeremyramone]

Defunding public education for >60yrs was a brilliant strategy usa....

[@Dj87887]

00:10 "Who the heck cares?" I'm stunned.

[@robisonlangdon8527]

Characterizes this debate

[@Chuck.Y93]

It's a bad argument from Alex, Mathew speaks from the perspective of Joseph from chapter 1 all the way 2, a starking contrast from the perspective of Mary in Luke, no Alex didn't discover some major Bible contradiction, his arguments are bad and if this video were split into different sections, it'd be easier for me to refute him one by one, but thankfully there are already videos dismantling him anyway.

[@Dj87887]

@@Chuck.Y93 It's a horrible response from Dinesh.

[@Chuck.Y93]

@@Dj87887 I understand, it's frustrating to discuss with a Christian who can't answer your objections

[@SharpSword456]

😂 I'm Christian and im laughing at the way he said...Who the heck cares?

[@williambeckett6336]

He lost the moment he resoted to "who the heck cares?!" The audience cares. And they knew he was deflecting and conning them the moment he was forced to go there then pivot to "profound meaning" etc to appeal to the drama of a story once its illegitimacy has been demonstrated.

[@laurameszaros9547]

Dinesh De Souza is really on the defensive here. Great job Alex O' Connor.

[@chamicels]

I don't know who has more sloppy thinking, Jordan P. or Dinesh.

[@RicoCosta317]

My vote is for Dinesh though JP is a close second.

[@mizotter]

JP because of the crying.

[@Hyperpandas]

JP at least makes an effort to clumsily invoke debates and arguments from a century or three ago to pass off as his own as though they're still issues today. Dinesh...well, he started out this conversation with Alex complaining about him having an unfair advantage because he has an English accent. So I guess Dinesh "wins", just because of laziness. But the other guy had a point about JP's crying.

[@gking407]

Comparing right wing buffoons is like wondering whether your last 💩was the smelliest

[@urzmontst.george6314]

I think you better clean your damn room while you figure it out.

[@ArchaeanDragon]

Completely and thoroughly outclassed. Dinesh was gish galloping all over the place, and Alex was laser focused on the argument.

[@theherk]

Dinesh galloping 😂

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

🏇🏇🏇🏇

[@mixi1141]

Dinesh tried to prove unprovable here. I remember him from previous debates and he always seems to me somehow unreliable. Bravo Alex! Unfortunately Hitch is not with us anymore but I am happy we have Mr. O'Connor. 👍

[@MattSingh1]

*O'Connor isn't comparable to Hitchens whatsoever. O'Connor isn't remotely on a par with Hitchens and never will be. O'Connor's fans need to stop claiming he's a natural successor of Hitchens. He isn't. And never will be.*

[@MasterSpade]

Dinesh doing the usual = TALKING and won't Shut up!!! While doing that, he BURIES himself with his Lies, that Alex points out to him.... only to have Dinesh deny it all and start TALKING again to avoid the Main Points!!! lol!!

[@Sean-gh1op]

Dinesh just tells Alex what Alex is doing like nobody heard the conversation... even still its like yeh we can just rewind the video...

[@davethebrahman9870]

O’Connor gets his facts wrong here. It’s Matthew who records the flight to Egypt, not Luke. But his general point still holds.

[@ψευδάνερ]

The fact that he didnt even correct him makes you wonder what is he even doing here debating the bible? Alex couldve just said anything and Dinesh would've just argued it away for the sake of arguing

[@wgo523]

​@@ψευδάνερyep because Dinesh doesn't care about truth

[@renjithsprasad4309]

The Bible never explicitly states that the wise men visited Jesus on the day of His birth. It is just a common assumption. In fact, the wise men likely visited after Jesus was presented at the temple. Only then did King Herod learn about His birth. This perspective is based on the accounts of two writers, and your criticism of it seems rather immature.

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@renjithsprasad4309 No, you didn’t even bother reading what I wrote. I didn’t say anything about the Magi visiting on the day of Jesus’s birth. In any case Matthew and Luke contradict one another.

[@wr1451]

D’souza is such an intellectual light weight I’m embarrassed for him. Just as well as he seems incapable of embarrassment.

[@LikeMadCops]

He misrepresents "Christianity" & "the Jews" over and over again. Dude is a circus act.

[@pappaflammyboi5799]

There are historical truths, parable truths, conceptual truths, analogical truths, and there are moral truths. The rest are likely lies. Maybe these religious giants can break down the bible for us so we can know which verses are which, yes?

[@twowardrobeswardrobes1536]

We just use the faultless mechanism we have for establishing whether an item in the Bible is true or not - convenience. Whatever is most convenient for the conversation is how it is, and should a different discussion make the alternative more convenient then it changes. Interpretation of the Bible can be very dynamic, it was way ahead of its time.

[@WilliamPappas-b6o]

The more I learn about quantum mechanics and the phenomenon of the Observer impacting The observed the more I realize it applies to our social and other interactions. Humans especially Americans live in their own little worlds. That should be fact free worlds worlds for most of them. Dinesh Sousa lives in a world where facts can be dispensed with if they're inconvenient.

[@MingusDew_Bebop]

​@@WilliamPappas-b6oStop

[@4dojo]

I love how calmly Alex just drops fact bombs and his opponents are always stammering on the defense.

[@mikehill1114]

Not facts. Luke does not contain the flight to Egypt. Matthew does. It's telling that Dinesh has no idea.

[@4dojo]

@milehill1114 I must have missed that. However, having read the entire Bible myself multiple times I can name a large number of plain contradictions in the Bible from genesis onward. But the highest concentration is definitely in the gospels.

[@mikehill1114]

@@4dojo Oh yes, the point was still accurate, more or less. The truly terrible thing is this particular contradiction lays waste to many apologists claims about how there aren't contradictions in the birth narrative because you just merge the two accounts. In the beginning of Luke, he specifically says he has done a bunch of research to provide a complete and ordered account of all the events, but he left off the flight to Egypt. So either Matthew can't be trusted because it didn't happen and he just made it up, or Luke can't be trusted because he didn't include such a pivotal episode.

[@4dojo]

@mikehill1114 Exactly. Things like that a big part of why I stopped taking the Bible seriously. Granted there are a lot of other reasons too, but noticing the Bible contradict itself over and over while I read it was the beginning of me starting to question what my religious beliefs were based on.

[@mikehill1114]

@@4dojo For me it was the horror of the god character. The wanton killing for (among others) * Not impregnating a sister-in-law * Making fun of an old man * Looking back at your home * Offering strange fire * Lying about taxes just couldn't be squared with this claim about him being loving and just. Then Jesus came along and said this psychopath was "perfect". That was the start of the slide for me.

[@jcjc4314]

the dishonesty is strong with Dinesh

[@rickwitten]

Did Jack and Jill *really* go up the hill to fetch a pail of water? That’s exactly how important the veracity of biblical fairy tales is.

[@photonboy999]

*Alex* "Yes, but how does that actually ANSWER MY QUESTION?" *Dinesh* "What I'm questioning is your methodology. Now, historically bla bla bla..." *Alex* "Listen, somebody said the sky was BLUE and somebody said it was bright PINK in the same Bible.." *Dinesh* "Right, and that's not a contradiction because... Squirrel! And Orangutans. And you're just silly. MIC DROP!"

[@redfoxninja3173]

When it's convenient everything is true in da Bible cuz God is perfect...until it's not then suddenly it's up for interpretation and God isn't so clear on things for ... mysterious reasons! We have a word for that...lies!

[@MingusDew_Bebop]

None of these people have a valid point just so you know. They are all damned lying fools.

[@truwth]

Dinesh is drinking like he spent 40 days in the desert.

[@BuckScrotumn]

😂😂😂

[@jeffery8792]

Paul said it was actually 51 days…. 😂

[@junkgrave]

Dinesh clearly hasn't even read the gospels seriously if he doesn't even remember these events! What a clown

[@MingusDew_Bebop]

The people who push religion do not believe in religion. In zero cases ever has a religous authority believed what he preaches. Just as democrats do not like minorities. They only need others to believe, to be their slave.

[@gbeaver57]

“I’m not aware of that” 😂 that’s the best way to avoid something you absolutely know you can’t defend.

[@tatelindley9005]

Thing is, as fun as it for US to watch people like Dinesh or Jordan Peterson just completely fail in situations like this, it doesn't make any difference to their supporters. To them, these debates are just proof that they are persecuted by a world without ears to hear, which is weirdly proof of how RIGHT they are.

[@ShaleLee]

It doesn't do anything to convince his supporters no, but there are people it does help. People on the fence and people who are in the process of questioning their beliefs from either side. To the majority yeah it's just entertainment to help them feel better, but there are people who this can be helpful for.

[@tatelindley9005]

@@ShaleLee never said it wasn't helpful to anyone

[@someguy-g4r]

​@@ShaleLeecomforting lies are a placebo, not medicine.

[@JoshWiniberg]

Normally I don't like these click-baity titles like x DESTROYS y, but there really isn't any other way to put it. Danesh is so out of his depth in this debate, it was actually painful to watch. You can tell Alex did his research, reading the texts, reading the commentary. It seems Danesh focused his preparation efforts on Shopenhauer's The Art of Being Right instead. No substance at all, just eristic trickery.

[@mikeymoughtin]

Danesh is a known conman and liar, why anyone cares what he has to say on any topic is beyond me. If danesh suddenly started saying the earth is round i might start to think it's actually flat

[@rickwitten]

Alex is too smart to expect honesty out of de Sousa

[@auroravanessa221]

Bravo Alex O'connor @CosmicSkeptic !!!! Watching you engage in debates, even with those who don't match your level of preparation or critical thinking, highlights your dedication to thoughtful discourse and intellectual honesty. Your deep understanding of theology, combined with your critical perspective, allows you to address arguments with nuance and respect while remaining firm in your reasoning. Thank you for setting an example of what it means to engage in meaningful dialogue and for demonstrating the power of critical thinking. Keep up the incredible work!

[@dennyworthington6641]

As a wise person once said, never underestimate the nonsense that H. sapiens can be made to believe. Here's lookin' at you, Dinesh.

[@ArthurM1863]

It's actually very easy to win a debate against a hardcore christian. Just tell him to show you a visual proof of Jesus existence that is not a painting or a drawing. There, very simple, and until that does't happen, what says in the bible will always be opinions.

[@arranleon7874]

The cope, denial and mental gymnastics from the apologist are borderline insufferable!

[@Sean-gh1op]

Where pain meets pleasure

[@mad1moemoe76]

Amazing that humans are still going on like this

[@robotaholic]

It should not count as a prophecy if you're allowed to read about it beforehand and do a bunch of stuff in order to fulfill it

[@leomardo2285]

Dinesh @18:16 "supplying a motive that is completely made up" wow! big statement coming from a guy who believes in bible (100% made up without a shred of proof). The irony...

[@jexelbur6872]

1:41 He has this backwards. It’s Christians who believe Jesus is the son of god, not the Jews. Regardless, he’s trying to make a particular part of religion “rational” when the basis of many religions is rooted in myth and not science or history.

[@PROVEIT2]

I agree.

[@734gman-vs5uf]

Why does an all powerful being who can personally carve his edicts into stone need a bunch of guys to write a book about what he wants from us? Why does an all powerful being who says lying is not to be done give us a book with contradictions in it which at least one version would have to be a lie?

[@urzmontst.george6314]

You Christians really ought to send someone with debate skills, next time.

[@Sean-gh1op]

Theyre waiting for him to be resurrected.. Give or take A DECADE!

[@JustS-oq6gf]

@@Sean-gh1opthat’s the point. We don’t need debate skills, but of course. Ye will no faith believe those are the winners, the ones skilled at tongue wrestling. Never engage in the ways of the wicked. They only aim to confuse and once you play their game you and others will surely be confused. Choose to give belief a try or walk in opposition, simply because it’s not as black and white as your math problems, science equations or text books… i.e the pics on the walls were not left for the blind to see, or for the other-minded to interpret.

[@jokera7205]

I red the Urantia Book a few months ago. You can find it online for free. For those of us who are looking for spiritual answers but are not convinced by the Bible, this book makes much more sense. It even talks about the life and death of Jesus from another perspective. They can say whatever they want about that book and it is impossible to know if what it states is true, but what is certain is that it has much more logic and common sense than the Bible. And the God described in that book has nothing to do with the God of the Bible.

[@beny9360]

It’s nice of Dinesh to say that caring about whether it’s true or not is trivial.

[@russellmiles2861]

Jesus was resurrected "Who cares"

[@PROVEIT2]

It will always loose when faced with a reasonable and rational person that asks credible questions. Science has disproved all of Genesis.

[@manifold1476]

Oh FFS! It's the insufferably dishonest and obfuscating Dinesh (d'Excuses) making shit with word salad again.

[@JB-jt6oq]

People really need to learn to say "Sorry, I was wrong"

[@docmatthy]

I cannot explain the obvious, therefore gibberish. It's really very simple in reality. There were old men who wrote the bible. And they wrote down myths, just like any other holy book.

[@lynnfarris3527]

Your guest is on the defense. Thank you for questioning these contradictions 🙏

[@haustorialroots290]

66 books, 40 authors, 2000 years, 100’s of translations, blatant mistranslations in the first paragraph, and 7 Nician meetings.

[@russellmiles2861]

The KJV, Geneva Bible, the Martin Luther Bible all had 80 books Where do you get this 66 thing from?

[@wesleywashington1251]

It's troubling to see people advocating for the relevance, accuracy and significance of passages written over two thousand years ago. Let's leave religion in the past where it belongs.

[@brandonhanserd7832]

I’m ready for him to debate the new poster boy…Wes Huff

[@WalderFrey]

At what point does Dinesh's corner thrown in the towel? He's hopeless.

[@finallythewheel]

Brilliantly done, Alex. I just came across your channe am highly impressed.

[@KH-sl9lu]

Dinesh CONSTANTLY straw mans and is so cringy bad at debate - I question how people can view him as brilliant

[@jwjohnson11]

Just sitting here patiently waiting for Wes to chime in

[@zeals100]

I was once in debates and I'm telling you when you haven't done your homework you're always gonna be feeling like the guy on the right😅😅😅

[@Sean-gh1op]

You could maybe do your homework on just having a life...

[@SoulGrind81]

If Jordan Peterson, deepak chopra and Dinesh were in a debate together. Scholars 100s of years from now would still be debating on wtf did they say!

[@MagnumDB]

19:53 - Dinesh's uncomfortably is off the rails! He's squirming in his seat, getting louder, flailing his arms, laughing, asking the audience to get on his side, trashes a guy he sees disagreeing with him as a listener of Alex's KZbin channel, guzzling water.... lololol!

[@xeskillz4831]

Wait can someone help me out here? Mathew 2:13 is talking about the flight to Egypt whereas Luke is talking about the temple in Luke 2:22. From Bible Studies, I believe that the account of Luke did indeed come first through oral tradition, whereas Mathew was the first to write his accounts down. Not only that, but Mathew took everything to compile them into the story to show the Jews that Jesus was the Messiah, this includes the account of Luke as well as other accounts, which is likely where the story of Egypt came from. In conclusion, is it crazy to say that there is no contradiction here because Luke, though the first account, was an incomplete account as it was an oral traditional story that left out the trip to Egypt (wether intentionally or otherwise), and Mathew gave a larger account and compilation of evidence for Jesus from multiple sources, not just Luke’s?

[@chaschoune]

Dinesh is very good at demolishing the Bible. 1) When you can interpret differently bible passages (for example from a Jewish and from a Christian perspective), it means you that you cannot rely on the Bible: what you think is the right interpretation might be the wrong one 2) If you can interpret differently bible passages, or if you have to twist what it says in order to eliminate contradictions, it is hard to believe the Bible is the words of God: you would think a perfect being is able to communicate clearly.

[@petercanberra9056]

Didn’t Matthew 27 state that many other people were raised from the dead and went amongst the townspeople? Apparently resurrection wasn’t that unusual, certainly not unusual enough to be mentioned by the other gospel writers.

[@jasonOfTheHills]

I hate Dinesh. But I am almost feeling bad for him. This is so utterly embarrassing, its hard to watch.

[@noompsieOG]

I’m Christian and love watching these videos as it does not diminish my faith it helps me learn how to be more compassionate and understanding towards those who haven’t found Jesus and I pray for them 🙏 praise Jesus

[@frankquinn4069]

Dinesh makes it up as he goes along. No substance at all.

[@Ex_christian]

That’s the Christian and religious way….. make crap up

[@aukemebel4263]

The fact that Dinesh is doing apologetics to claim it's not relevant is because it is a very tough nut for himself to crack. It is in fact a large problem, as there are millions of people that think that book is factually correct, historically accurate, and form their lives around its teachings. If that book is false, parts of their lives are wrong, who they vote for, how they shape their morals etc. Issues like that are important and Dinesh waving them away with the air of arrogance is just ridiculous.

[@wizardsongs5409]

If you really loved God and wanted to worship him for eternity, you wouldn't think anything about him and his life was trivial. You would want to know every exact detail no matter how small.

[@Juan_Dystopian]

Why? If he considered it's important he'd be clear about every detail

[@geraldpeevy4827]

Clearly, the god of the bible doesn't give a single wet fart about being clear, precise or accurate.

[@ijansk]

Prove that that god exists. Anything esle is bullshit.

[@janettedewar6617]

@@geraldpeevy4827He is not just the God of the Bible, He is your creator who created all mankind then came down to earth & died on a cross for all your sins. Ridicule Him & see where it gets you.

[@janettedewar6617]

@@Juan_Dystopian You clearly know nothing about God, He does not satisfy men He made them & He is in control what gives you the pompous right to tell God what He should do.? Clearly at the moment you & others here are being used by the devil & your very words show that you don't even realise that fact.

[@democlips1]

Incredible how eloquent Alex is. What a brilliant debater!

[@dennishpestana9461]

Dinesh is utterly trying to make himself so silly.He just hasn't the mind to do so.

[@AdamTheGuitarist]

“Nobody cares about those trivial contradictions” - my brother in christ multiple whole councils have been held trough the history to debate those and even when all the christian world debated ober them they still kept them all in otherwise the whole narrative would fall down. That itself is proof enough.

[@D.MarcelloRadice]

Seen your toxicity, obsession and frustration as atheists, and seen you are not just been part of a religion, but a religious cult, that push people into the war of religions, I got why less people want be like this and why the religion of atheism, started fe3w decaedes ago is destinated quikly to die. And none will miss it not even you, there is too much negativity in your religion, and religious leaders....

[@LM-jz9vh]

According to the general consensus of scholarship *(even critical Christian scholars),* YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms "divorced" them. El's pantheon in Ugarit (modern day Ras Shamra in Syria) is called the *Elohim,* literally the plural of El. Interestingly, the Biblical god is also referred to numerous times as Elohim. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts. "The mysterious Ugaritic text Shachar and Shalim tells how (perhaps near the beginning of all things) *El* came to shores of the sea and saw two women who bobbed up and down. *El* was sexually aroused and took the two with him, killed a bird by throwing a staff at it, and roasted it over a fire. He asked the women to tell him when the bird was fully cooked, and to then address him either as husband or as father, for he would thenceforward behave to them as they called him. They saluted him as husband. He then lay with them, and they gave birth to Shachar ("Dawn") and Shalim ("Dusk"). Again *El* lay with his wives and the wives gave birth to "the gracious gods", "cleavers of the sea", "children of the sea". The names of these wives are not explicitly provided, but some confusing rubrics at the beginning of the account mention the goddess *Athirat (Asherah),* who is otherwise *El's* chief wife, and the goddess Raḥmayyu ("the one of the womb"), otherwise unknown." *"First, a god named El predates the arrival of the Israelites into Syria-Palestine.* Biblical usage shows El was not just a generic noun, but often a proper name for Israel’s God (e.g., Gen 33:20: “El, the God of Israel”)." "I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the *sons of El.* It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the *sons of El,* plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, *solely* according to the number of the *sons of El.* *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting.* A Sumerian hymn speaks to the goddess: “Nanshe, your divine powers are not matched by any other divine powers.” *Does this mean that Nanshe was the high goddess, that there were no gods above her? No, it does not.* Nanshe was the daughter of Enki, the high god. *In Sumerian mythology, as with Ugaritic, Israelite, Babylonian, and others, in the ancient past, the high god (Enki, in this case) divided up the world and assigned his children certain domains.* Nanshe was given a limited domain (the modern Persian Gulf) and was tasked with maintaining social justice there. *This is exactly what we see in Deuteronomy 32 with Yahweh. Yahweh is given a limited domain (Israel) and is given authority over his people, to punish them, as well as to protect and defend them against foreign enemies.* That Yahweh, like Nanshe, is said to have incomparable divine power *does not* mean that he is not subordinate to the high god who gave him his domain. *It is also of note that Nanshe, like Baal, Yahweh, and so many other deities, evolved over time. Her domain increased, and she was promoted in the pantheon (although she never became the high goddess)."* *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.* (Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian) *"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"* (A second response to Michael Heiser) *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."* *"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10"* - TheTorah.com (Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), *which appears to be a later addition,* Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)* *"Polytheism and Ancient Israel’s Canaanite Heritage. Part V | theyellowdart"* (Of course, much of this [i.e., that Israel worshiped El and Asherah alongside YHWH] is really to be expected given that recent syntheses of the *archaeological, cultural, and literary data* pertaining to the emergence of the nation of Israel in the Levant *show that most of the people who would eventually compose this group were originally Canaanite. As the Hebrew Bible notes, the Hebrew language itself is a Canaanite language, literally the “lip of Canaan” (שְׂפַת כְּנַעַן; Is. **19:18**), and so it cannot often be distinguished by modern scholars from other Canaanite inscriptions on purely linguistic grounds.)* *"Ugarit - New World Encyclopedia"* (Ugaritic religion centered on the chief god, Ilu or El, whose titles included "Father of mankind" and "Creator of the creation." The Court of El was referred to as the (plural) 'lhm or ***Elohim,*** a word ***later used by the biblical writers to describe the Hebrew deity*** and translated into English as "God," in the singular. El, which was ***also the name of the God of Abraham,*** was described as an aged deity with white hair, seated on a throne.) *"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"* (Mark Smith is a Catholic) *"God, Gods, and Sons (and Daughters) of God in the Hebrew Bible. Part III | theyellowdart"* *"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"* (Daniel McClellan is a Mormon) *"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"* (Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)") *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* (Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh) *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* *"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"* *"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."* *"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"* (In addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh, it appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort) *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"* (Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion") *"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"* (For a good summary of all of the above articles) Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 34:30 minutes onwards. Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40. Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"* (By a former theist) Watch *"Who is Yahweh - How a Warrior-Storm God became the God of the Israelites and World"* by Dr Justin Sledge at Esoterica (Dr Justin Sledge is Jewish) Watch *"How did Yahweh Become God? The Origins of Monotheism"* by Dr Justin Sledge at Esoterica

[@LM-jz9vh]

Nevertheless, the historical reconstruction that El was the chief god of the Israelites is not indebted only to the testimony of the (rather late) biblical witness of P. *Numerous biblical texts attest to the fact that the titles, functions, and the imagery associated with the Canaanite god El, as revealed by the Ugaritic texts and the Canaanite myth of Elkunirša, were assimilated into the profile of the deity YHWH.* According to the Ugaritic texts, El was known for his *wisdom* (e.g., KTU2 1.4.V.65[6]) and *great age* (’ab šnm, *“Father of Years,”* and drd, *“Ageless One,”* in KTU2 1.4.IV.24 and 1.10.III.6, respectively),[7] his *compassionate nature* (lţpn il dp’id, *“Kind El, the Compassionate One,”* e.g., KTU2 1.16.IV.9), his role as *father of the gods and humanity* (’ab ’adm, *“father of humanity,”* KTU2 1.14..III.47, and bny bnwt, *“creator of creatures,”* KTU2 1.17.I.24) and *creator of the cosmos.* [8] El was the *divine King* (e.g., KTU2 1.2.III.5-6) and the *head of the pantheon or divine council* (referred to variously as the dr ’il, *“circle of El/Family of El,”* KTU2 1.15.III.19; mpħrt bn ’il, *“the assembly of the sons of El,”* KTU2 1.65.3; bn ’il, *“the sons of El,”* KTU2 1.40.33, 41; pħr kbbm, *“assembly of the stars,”* KTU2 1.10.I.3-4; ‘dt ’ilm, *“assembly of the gods,”* KTU2 1.15.II.7; cf. KTU2 1.2.I; 1.3V; 1.4 IV-V) which met at the sacred mountain. *His consort was the goddess Athirat who bore him seventy sons* (šb‘m bn ’atrt, *“the seventy sons of Athirat,”* KTU2 1.4.VI.46). El was also known for his *divine patronage and blessing of progeny to humans* (as in the Epic of Kirta; see, for example, KTU2 1.14.III.46-51), for his *appearances to humans in dreams* (e.g., KTU2 1.14.I.35-37), as *being a healer* (KTU2 1.16.V-VI), and for his *dwelling at the sacred mountain* (e.g., KTU2 1.2.III.5-6) at the *sources of the mythical rivers* (KTU2 1.2.III.4; 1.3.V.6; 1.4.IV.20-22; 1.17.V.47-48) in a *tent* (KTU2 1.2.III.5; 1.3.V.8; 1.4.IV.24; 1.17.V.49; c.f. the Canaanite myth Elkunirša which *describes El’s abode as a tent[9]).[10]* *To underscore the fact that terminology and imagery originally used for the god El was adopted by the Israelites in their descriptions of YHWH,* the following brief summary might be placed in comparison to the discussion of El above: YHWH is an *aged, patriarchal deity* (Ps. 102:28; Job 36:26; Is. 40:28; Dan. 7.9-14, 22), *a father* (Deut. 32:6; Is. 63:16; 64:7; Jer. 3:4, 19; 31:9, etc.), *merciful and gracious* (Ex. 34:6; Jon. 4:2; Joel 2:13; Ps. 8615; 103:8; 145:8, etc.), *a divine patron who bestows the blessing of progeny upon Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,* often manifesting himself in *dreams or visions, a healer* (Gen. 20:17; Num. 12:13; 2 Kgs. 20:5, 8; Ps. 107:20, etc.), who *dwells in a tent* (Ps. 15:1; 27:6; 91:10; 132:3) *amidst the heavenly waters* (Ps. 47:5; 87; Is. 33: 20-22; Ez. 47:1-12, etc.), the *creator of the cosmos,* who is enthroned as *heavenly King* in the *divine council* (1 Kgs. 22:19; Is. 6:1-8; cf. Ps. 29:1-2; 82; 89: 5-8, etc.) on the *sacred mount of assembly* (e.g., Is. 14:13). Additionally, in much Israelite religious practice throughout the monarchic period, *YHWH had a divine consort, the goddess Asherah, the Hebrew equivalent of Ugaritic Athirat.[11]* (Originally the wife of El) *"When Jehovah Was Not the God of the Old Testament. Part II - theyellowdart"* Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 34:30 minutes onwards. Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40. Watch *"Who is Yahweh - How a Warrior-Storm God became the God of the Israelites and World"* by Dr Justin Sledge at Esoterica (Dr Justin Sledge is Jewish) Watch *"How did Yahweh Become God? The Origins of Monotheism"* by Dr Justin Sledge at Esoterica ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."* ("The study in Cell not only establishes that the ancient Israelites were ***descended from the Canaanites,*** but also establishes that the Canaanite people across the separate city-states of the southern Levant, and over a period of 1,500 years, were a genetically cohesive people.") *"The Canaanites weren't annihilated, they just 'moved' to Lebanon - The Times of Israel."* *"Ancient Canaanite religion explained* - everything.explained.today" *"Archeology of the Hebrew Bible - NOVA - PBS"* ("Many scholars now think that *most of the early Israelites were originally Canaanites, displaced Canaanites,* displaced from the lowlands, from the river valleys, displaced geographically and then displaced ideologically.") *"Origins of Judaism explained* - everything.explained.today" ("According to the current academic historical view, the origins of Judaism lie in the Bronze Age amidst polytheistic ancient Semitic religions, ***specifically evolving out of Ancient Canaanite polytheism,*** then co-existing with Babylonian religion, and syncretizing elements of Babylonian belief into the worship of Yahweh as reflected in the early prophetic books of the Hebrew Bible. (The Torah)". *Refer to the bibliography at the bottom of the page)* *"Canaanite languages - Britannica"* ("Group of Northern Central or Northwestern Semitic languages including ***Hebrew,*** Moabite, Phoenician, and Punic.") *"El - New World Encyclopedia"* (Refer to the section "El Outside the Bible" and the fact that *most of the early Israelites were originally indigenous or displaced Canaanites)* *"El (deity) explained* - everything.explained.today" (Refer to section "Ugarit and the Levant" and the fact that *most of the ancient Israelites were originally indigenous or displaced Canaanites* and see how Yahweh, later conflated with El (Yahweh-El(ohim)) is fictional) *"The Gods and Goddesses of Canaan - Essay - The Metropolitan Museum of Art - Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History"* *"Canaanite Phoenician Origin of the God of the Israelites."* *"The Phoenician (Canaanite) God Resheph in the Bible - Is That in the Bible?"* *"How the Jews Invented God and Made Him Great- Archaeology - Haaretz."* *"When the Jews believed in other gods - Archaeology - Haaretz"* *"The Invention of God - Maclean's"* *"How Did the Bible’s Editors Conceal Evidence of Israelite Polytheism - Evolution of God by Robert Wright."* *"A Theologically Revised Text: Deuteronomy 32:8-9 - Ancient Hebrew Poetry."* *"Biblical Contradiction #3: Which God is the Creator of the Heavens and Earth: Yahweh or El?"* - Dr Steven DiMattei *"Biblical Contradiction #27. Are Yahweh and El the Same God or Not?"* - Dr Steven DiMattei *"Biblical Contradiction **#294**, **#295**, **#296**. Which god liberated Israel from Egypt: Yahweh or El?"* - Dr Steven DiMattei *"Quartz Hill School of Theology - B425 Ugarit and the Bible."* *"The Origins of Yahweh and the Revived Kenite Hypothesis - Is That in the Bible?"* *"Yahweh, god of metallurgy - Fewer Lacunae."* *"Polytheistic Roots of Israelite Religion - Fewer Lacunae."* *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Religious Studies: El, Yahweh and the Development of Monotheism in Ancient Israel."* *"Yhwh, God of Edom - Daniel O. McClellan."*

[@someguy-g4r]

Call a publisher if you want to write a book.

[@MingusDew_Bebop]

Why do you idiots do all this talking when you could simply acknowledge that every religion on earth, ever, is nothing but astrology. I swear the dumb shit you people come up with to debunk astrology.

[@chrisa3289]

EL was known as "the most high". And according to the Biblical text he came to Abraham to form a covenant. Through this he reveals his name, which was never revealed. So as it is, just as the Bible explains, those that are blessed are those who believe the testimony and promise of Abraham. The fact God was worshipped by the caanatites prior to his covenant with Abraham is irrelevant. What matters is that "the most high" came to Abraham to form a covenant. And as it is written "whoever blesses Israel will be blessed".

[@onwardalone1182]

Alex O’Connor and Wesley Huff would be a good conversation

[@WhotheHellknowsAnyway]

And the winner is Alex, such an elegant speaker!

[@billwalton4571]

Dinesh whooped him, deal with it!

[@daveyboots79]

​@@billwalton4571By waving his arms about, being vague and making no valid points..? It was a bold strategy but unless you can highlight something significant for me that suggests he landed a single shot.. I have to assume it's simply confirmation bias that makes you think he was even in this debate

[@billwalton4571]

@@daveyboots79 Dinesh rag dolled Alex, sorry, bye!

[@theresawilliams4296]

​@billwalton4571 Sorry mate, but dinesh didn't win anything here. He couldn't answer anything, he got schooled multiple times and just kept burying himself in his own bullshit. You obviously didn't watch the debate did you.😂

[@ezequielmondada6427]

​@@billwalton4571Maybe really think for yourself and actually rationalize the arguments. You don't have to agree with every one defending your faith, if they clearly did a poor job you should be the one complaining. Anyone from any view can see it.

[@adrianaslund8605]

John the Baptist baptising Jesus is much more embarassing. Because according to tradition you can't be baptized by someone spiritually inferior to you. The implications there are very strange.

[@PROVEIT2]

What makes a person more "spiritually inferior" to another?

[@Adam.Langton]

Dinesh jas to be the most disingenuous apologist around. I'm not sure why people debate him. When the response to "the supposed word of God is demonstrably false in this instance" and the response in "who cares," there's not much you can do with that.

[@mjoto]

I once tried to tell a pastor that men are not the best at recalling history and often history is simply His Story. The pastor basically told me that isn't true and the Bible is 100% factual there is no contradiction or misinterpretations. I had to stop talking because I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Not all Christians are like that pastor and not all Christians are like Danesh. Not all Muslims are terriers. Some of us understand that religion is about REFUSING the inherent evil in our humanity. While many justify their evil with gospel. Being gay isn't evil, having sex isn't evil, doing drugs isn't evil, these things are perpetuated by religion as evil. They are simply human wants and desires. Sometimes refusing those things are good for character and good for the people around us. Sometimes giving in to those make life adventurous and lively. There's nothing wrong with either its simply the way of humans. What is wrong is weponizing an idea in order to kill maim and torture. That will never be ok but it seems to be the norm.

[@Arkloyd]

Hey, dinesh, your arguments suck.

[@elainejohnson6955]

I loved it when Alex had said that Dinesh was constantly moving the goalposts and still missing!

[@Tru2meallday]

Alex O'Connor Vs. Wes Huf

[@arsenic7039]

I would love to see those two intelligent people debate hopefully it could even help Alex convert one day

[@carlosserrano1065]

​@arsenic7039 we gonna see this in 5 years when wes is ready with his Fantasy can have some of veracity😂😂

[@frdml01]

Surely Dinesh must have felt humiliated after, if not during this debate. He is constantly corrected, and he changes the subject when he doesn't like where things are going.

[@clockhuys]

Almost the new Hitchens. Dinesh debating half an hour, being completely destroyed. After that claiming it's all trivial, even the things he brought up himself.

[@felipeahmed]

Wow. Alex, you're amazing. Fantastic points.

[@ZonykFilms]

I like how dinesh just completely ignores the contradictions, and says that Alex is being too nitpicky.

[@OriginalBernieBro]

“These events are described in perfect precision” then immediately follows with the fact that none of which are eye witnesses‼️😂

[@JrLangré]

Oh dear, I have not seen a thing like Dinesh squirm like this since I last went fishing. Alex O’Connors self-restraint is admirable to say the least. Well done, buddy!

[@breakfastforyousoul]

Luke does not mention the flight to Egypt but does not deny it either. His focus is on events surrounding Jesus' presentation at the Temple and their eventual settling in Nazareth. Matthew provides the additional detail of the flight to Egypt and explains how this fulfilled prophecy. In summary, the differences are due to each Gospel writer's focus and purpose. Matthew emphasizes Jesus as the fulfillment of prophecy, while Luke highlights His connection to the Temple and Jewish traditions. Together, they provide a fuller picture of Jesus' early life.

[@TheOddOne2]

Alex O'Connor is very impressive, his debate technique is totally unflawed.

[@hifibrony]

He is as incisive as Hitch but not as brutal in style though he is just as effective. O'Connor is an incredibly impressive young intellectual.

[@vausemike]

The fact that the guy on the right repeatedly mentions that it requires a certain reading to get the specific result you are trying to achieve undermines the validity and trustworthiness of the text. If it’s open to interpretation then it can only be viewed as story and myth.

[@mikeg8447]

Any time I watch something where people are talking on stage with those headset microphones and listening on my earbuds I just end up only hearing all of the moist mouth noises they seem to pick up with such clarity.

[@phillipA123]

14:25 probably one of the biggest fumbles I've seen a debater make. Dinesh appears so foolish with his arguments here

[@SamuelLeeds]

The answer is simple. Dinesh just wasn’t prepped for the question and didn’t know the answer.

[@vjerapersic7665]

There is no emoticon for laughter big enough. A title is enough. Congratulations to little Alex who won over Bible. So there is an era after the poststructuralism and after all the posts, I recon that christian deconstructionists along with you have a clue of bright future ahead of us. We could call that new period in the history of philosophy apocalipse.