Engine FAILURE with FLASHES after bird strike at LaGuardia. American A321 diverts to JFK. Real ATC

[@eoinmadigan9814]

Some day it will happen that an inbound emergency, with no option of a go-around, will face another aircraft landing ahead which ends up disabled on the runway or a departure rejecting take off and ending up disabled on the landing emergency's runway. An inbound emergency should have a completely free runway, always. The odds of a such a Swiss cheese series of events may be low, but someday it will happen if this practice of fitting an emergency between other operations continues and then it will never have been worth it.

[@zacker1049]

Murphy's Law!

[@notafanboy250]

A very carefully and well-worded response. I agree.

[@tjjoseph333]

Man, I'm i with ya! Why on earth would they depart that 330 ahead of their arrival. It was almost like Tower was inadequately briefed on the EM status.

[@TheByard]

They will always say, it hasn't been a problem. The name for it is. Coffin engineering.

[@MeKHell]

I think this way of doing it is specific to some regions, because as far as I know, my airport (LSGG) cancel all pending operations on the runway until the emergency aircraft has landed.

[@biscuitag97]

Geez JFK is tough. Get everyone out of the way next time. Reminds me of that old video of a heavy American emergency landing at JFK where the pilot said, get everyone out of our way, we are coming in to land.

[@TommyBahama84]

I'm pretty sure a MAYDAY is a priority. She should have held the A330.

[@artemouse23]

Looks like she did -- based on the radar the A330 was holding short

[@Cooper12010]

Bird strike at Laguardia. sounds familiar doesn't it?

[@YouCanSeeATC]

You, but that case happened in January 🙂

[@WilliamOfDetroit07]

@@YouCanSeeATCBird strikes do happen during all months of the year and the water is just as cold now as it would be in January 🥶

[@KenKen-ui4ny]

Laguardia is located right along the Hudson river, which is nest grounds for waterfowl and shorebirds. All can been a potential bird strike hazard to aircraft.

[@sarge6870]

@@KenKen-ui4ny Um, It's NO WHERE NEAR the Hudson! Check your map!

[@KenKen-ui4ny]

@@sarge6870 It's quite close to the Hudson, just on the other side of Manhattan from the approach way of runway 13. Where landing and departing aircraft in and out of the NYC airspace, fly low enough for bird strikes to be a problem. It's also on the shore of the East river, which is also a bird nesting ground. Newark Liberty airport is probably even more closer to the Hudson then Laguardia.

[@yodingdongyo]

It was pretty clear the pilot was asking ATC to cancel take off clearance for the A330 and clear the runway so there would be no wake to deal with. Not sure if that aircraft (A330) was already rolling but it seemed like it was still on the ground due to the "prior to your arrival" that far out.

[@dv5ou]

Just a passenger here but it’s mind boggling to me that they would let a heavy or anything depart with an emergency like this coming in

[@Daynja1]

It was probably already on the runway or cleared to take off. But yeah, they could have planned for it to wait. But forget wake turbulence, what if they had to abort the take off? Then you have to tell an emergency to go around?

[@ctfirebattchief]

Holy crap, they're coming in with an engine out and unknown damage and that controller tells them "caution wake turbulence from a departure" I'm sure the pilots are probably thinking "oh HELL I really don't want to do a "sully" here and go swimming" and the last thing they need is to be treated like the red-headed step child on an emergency landing" Just a passenger here but I thought an emergency aircraft had priority, period!

[@jbrown3547]

Made even worse with her snappy response back. She clearly didnt get it. If youve ever landed behind an airplane that just lifted off the runway, you get a considerable wake from their wash. This is clearly not what you want when in an emergency. Captain was ticked about it, tried to state his case but gave up when dealing with her.

[@bestgreenpest]

They can fly on one engine dumb dumb 🤭

[@jbrown3547]

The response by the female tower controller is maddening. As if this "caution" is some magic wand that makes all the wake disappear. I would be ticked if they launched a heavy in front of me while im trying to land a wounded bird.

[@BabyMakR]

Also, what if the aircraft in front had to reject on the runway? You're going to tell an aircraft with a dead engine to go around?

[@captainlass22]

@@BabyMakR Good point!

[@GeekFurious]

It's weird how there is always a collection of comments when a female ATC does something people think is wrong but usually a minor series of comments when it's a male... in fact, no one ever notes their gender. Ever.

[@jbrown3547]

@@GeekFurious Dont make this something it isnt. There are plenty of these chastising snappy male controllers.

[@nikolauswolff5791]

Engine failure over New York right after take off. Gives you a lot of stress. Jesus.

[@igorluiz9551]

And now we can appreciate the controller who was involved in the Sully situation. Subpar performance by the controllers in this case

[@jonchowe]

Very different emergencies, 1 vs 2 engines out, to be fair.

[@igorluiz9551]

@jonchowe it's not relevant tho, if the pilot ask to return immediately, he needs clear and concise instructions quick. It can be 1 engine out and then 1 minute later 2 engines out

[@jonchowe]

@@igorluiz9551 These planes can fly for hours on 1 engine. They can't fly at all on 0. They are not comparable situations. They got vectors as soon as they asked. The only hiccup was at the end with the wake turbulence issue.

[@igorluiz9551]

@jonchowe you never now if the bird strike will affect only 1 or both engines for sure in seconds

[@jacksmith8002]

calm crew, real pros

[@batshevanivylerner8582]

terrible controllers at kennedy though - not surprising actually

[@TheByard]

@@batshevanivylerner8582 I loved Kennedy Steve, now he was cool, calm, collected and very funny at the RIGHT times.

[@AbandonedClassicsOne]

This was a Mayday aircraft. They should not have to be concerned about wake from a departing heavy - and their request to go straight out on the missed should be approved. Poor NY controlling and yet they’re so quick to jump on anyone after a minor f up.

[@MatthewUrquhart77]

What does "no contact is advised" mean when the controller alerts them of traffic? I have never heard that before. Otherwise well handled all around by both pilots and ATC. Thanks for another great video!

[@nsleone299]

Seems like they did not see the traffic that the controller called out.

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Probably they didn't get traffic info from TCAS. That's how I understand that.

[@MatthewUrquhart77]

Makes sense. Thanks so much!

[@ajrandall87]

I heard “no contact, keep us advised”

[@MatthewUrquhart77]

@@ajrandall87 Thank you. That would make a lot more sense.

[@JDrapic]

I'm wondering about the comment about the heading on go-around. Is there an obstacle clearance issue straight out which would mean a single-engine aircraft might not make it if going straight out?

[@sachaw.4236]

Why in the world would she let the A330 take off before an emergency and then give a wake turbulence advice? Doesn't seem right.

[@nikolauswolff5791]

Yes indeed.

[@buckhorncortez]

Wake turbulence can persist for 3-5 minutes after takeoff. The controller was making the pilot of the emergency aircraft aware of the possibility. They cannot close down the entire airport for an emergency aircraft.

[@nikolauswolff5791]

@@buckhorncortez Well. An A 330 is not an A 380. 5 minutes wake turbulences ? Never heard of that. 3 ok but not 5.

[@WilliamOfDetroit07]

@@buckhorncortezThey can’t close the airport but they certainly could hold departures. What if that A330 had an engine explode on the roll. Just because it’s unlikely to happen doesn’t mean it’s not possible.

[@javidambra]

What if the 330 had a rejected take off?

[@NecessaryDramaAddictionNDA]

Why oh why would you let a heavy take off before an emergency inbound?

[@BabyMakR]

So, hang on. The aircraft with a declared emergency (the first emergency aircraft to actually use the correct call out I've seen in ages) has to make way for other aircraft if they need to do a go around. Seems normal in the US ATC system.

[@JonathanSkinner84]

yeah that surprised me too - I remember listening to/watching an emergency at Zurich and the controllers all made it clear that the airspace was at the liberty of the emergency aircraft, same with the airport. It was fascinating to watch the controllers move everything out of the inbound's way.

[@johndemerse9172]

Enough of these controllers telling pilots of airliners how to fly and shut up about traffic on parallel when that AA1722 is an emergency aircraft.

[@TuneDownLow]

the correct time to get indignant about an emergency aircraft asking for a clear runway is when you've let a routine departure on ahead of them, clearly

[@jonchowe]

They missed that turn to 090; must have been busy with something!

[@ryannaru1]

If able to climb and heading north out of LGA, why not land at SWF? Larger runway, less traffic, less over water ops on one engine…

[@This-Is-Your-Captain]

As a pilot if going around I’m going straight out. Lots of nonsense chit chat in this emergency.

[@milesaharrison]

Yep, you'd just fly your published engine out sid and then tell ATC where you're going when you have a moment. Until that point, 'Engine failure, standby' is all i'd say.

[@jaykay6412]

Straight out launches you to manhattan. Good luck

[@This-Is-Your-Captain]

@@jaykay6412 10 solid miles from the 31s to manhattan. That being said the point was you fly the plane. ATC doesn’t dictate what we do in an emergency. They weren’t worried about manhattan they are worried about traffic out of LGA and the Kennedy arrivals. Bet your ass I’m flying straight out off 31L 31R. Move the traffic I’m the priority. Now if this was a mountainous area then it’s a different story.

[@jaykay6412]

@ I know. They were worried about LGA inbounds to rnav x 31. “Creating more problems for ‘yourself’”. Yourself being ATC

[@binford8998]

"American 1722 you have traffic 3 miles in front of you. Keep visual separation with that traffic. Also there will be one departing and one crossing aircraft prior to your landing. Runway 31L cleared to land"

[@TheSwisPilot]

I think they have noticed themselves that she was not fit for the situation and replaced her with the dude…

[@mikem746]

Going to charlotte just like 1549

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Yeah, but this one ended up on the runway 😎

[@IzuanNisa-h1u]

Approved ✅

[@gchsbus]

As a pilot, if that was me landing in an emergency with an engine out and they told me caution wake turbulence, I would want to know the call sign of the jet on the runway ahead of me then call them directly and tell them I am landing as an emergency with one engine down so I would appreciate it if they could either take off right now without delay once they have clearance or exit the runway. JFK always trying to squeeze that last plane out.

[@andyseaward8816]

Sorry, but it’s rare that I hear a ‘sensiblé reaction from ATC to emergencies and apparently NO co ordination. Once heard FIVE consecutive ATC ask fuel, souls etc not to mention ALL THE GODDAMN UNNECESSARY CHATTERING (anything we can do for you, the trucks are…., here’s lots of info for you, in case you don’t have anything urgent to attend to.) One day, a pilot WILL get straight to the point with them, I can’t wait.

[@ryanyoung7170]

ATC need training, he calls a mayday , let them deal with the mayday not giving instructions. Get everyone out of the way

[@Ryan-719]

Ole cap sounds miserable

[@F7XG450G550]

lol yup. Let me make it through my final year w no more bs

[@CompositesNG]

Engine change

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Probably yes

[@AviatorXR]

US Airways 1549’s Brother…….. (Just didn’t land in the Hudson)

[@mistagrove4349]

Another birdstrike from KLGA

[@rg46979]

Covering his butt at the last second; oh that's left turn only if able... yeah.

[@TheByard]

I do not understand why ATC operators talk so fast and the female operative gave a lot of info at rapid fire. Do they not understand that a brain is trying to sort that gun fire out, from the beginning of the message and that's why pilots have to ask questions that makes the speed talking a complete waste of time. Don't pilots have souls on board figures available prior to takeoff for weight reasons. There always seams to be a delay in getting them yet ATC always asks for them.

[@sweetdaddydee1314]

They have to talk fast, they deal with allot of shit in a short amount of time.

[@7_of_9]

Souls on board question is useless and it's available hours before take off. Fuel I understand but only makes sense after the plane has been flying for a while. There is a lot of things that can be improved a thousand percent but they don't want to spend money

[@hatpeach1]

@@7_of_9 Souls on board is available at the time the door closes, not before -- it should be centrally recorded at that time and available to ATC without having to ask the pilots.

[@Blast6926]

Not useless, in case of an evacuation controller needs to know to account for everyone ​@@7_of_9

[@jonchowe]

​@@7_of_9it's not useless. It's so the firefighters know how many people they need to get out if there's a fire.

[@poetpilot]

Good God a mayday is a mayday. JFK need to smarten their act up. It's stressful enough for the pilots. Too much unnecessary crap being given out.

[@milesaharrison]

Why would they request to maintain runway heading in case of a missed approach? Apart from that meaning they'd be aiming for lower Manhattan, just let it fly the standard missed approach in NAV automatically?!

[@ewanrichardson862]

you seriously think nav mode is the smart thing to do in an engine failure? 🤨🤨

[@milesaharrison]

@@ewanrichardson862 Yes, by design. The published missed approach is LITERALLY designed for an engine failure. I can explain why it's perfectly safe if you like? What would you do?

[@flyerdon3116]

Maybe I misunderstood but I believe the aircraft hit several birds which most likely caused damage to the aircraft that went beyond an engine failure. Maybe, since the tower gave them a wind shear advisory, they didn’t want to turn their damaged aircraft until they were sure they weren’t going to encounter any wake turbulence. Maybe we should give the crew the benefit of the doubt, after all, they were the ones actually flying the aircraft.

[@ewanrichardson862]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@milesaharrison personally I’d hand fly or HDG and ALT mode in order to better control ROC & pitch, and in case of falling behind the aircraft due to increased workload, I can better control when I command the aircraft to turn. They were also not instructed to follow the published procedure, taking nav mode out of the question anyways. Regardless, you can still follow the published procedure in HDG and ALT mode with more control over the aircraft (imo for this situation)

[@milesaharrison]

@@ewanrichardson862 Hand flying it is the last thing you'd want to do. The autopilot is designed to fly with an engine out and it's better at doing it than either of us, 'better control' is an illusion. I can't think of any useful reasons why you'd add to your workload by flying a published missed approach in selected modes when NAV is available? What is it you don't trust about it? Don't know anyone that would do any different at my large European orange airbus operator without good reason (weather, icing etc).

[@iain8837]

Whatever is quicker…as they cross the Canadian border….

[@MADmosche]

Turning right into the dead engine wasn’t smart. You should always turn towards the good engine.

[@taildraggaah]

Good technique but not required in a jet. “Always” isn’t a good plan. Sometimes you might only be able to turn into the bad engine (I.e, terrain/weather etc)

[@notafanboy250]

lol this isn't some small Piper Aztec. Transport category planes are perfectly capable of making turns in either direction single-engine.

[@saxmanb777]

Wrong! The engine out procedure at JFK of runway 31 is always a left turn, regardless of which engine failed. Many other airports have precise engine out procedures as well to avoid terrain. As long as it’s followed, it does not matter which engine has failed. Transport category aircraft can easily turn either direction on a single engine.

[@TheSwisPilot]

I think they have noticed themselves that she was not fit for the situation and replaced her with the dude…