Young Howard Zinn on Civil Disobedience (1971)

Howard Zinn defends the importance of civil disobedience against social injustices.
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This is from the TV series, "The Advocates", which in this episode debates the question, "If You Oppose the War, Should You Answer the Call for Massive Civil Disobedience?" Appearing in this clip are Michael Dukakis, Roger Fisher, and William Kunstler.

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[@Rightwing17]

“The violence of our time is caused by obedience.” Powerful.

[@jaisbrennan7696]

True quote.

[@jamiejay7633]

Zinn was a commie liar. His book he is most famous for is 90% lies and misrepresentation.

[@thomasbougher8930]

When this debate occurred in 1971, I was actually serving in Vietnam, and unaware that civil disobedience was taking place to end the war in which I was a participant. Like Howard Zinn, himself a WWII veteran, I was beginning to question the purpose of the violence I was witnessing, although it took time to put it all in context, and recognize the fundamental flaw in the concept of war. (USMC 1968-75).

[@matthewthompson2583]

Welcome home

[@jamiejay7633]

Zinn was an anti capitalist, anti American and anti Christian commie scum bag. May he rot in hell.

[@Always_a_Duelist]

Thank you for your service & your wisdom. 👌

[@martinwhelan6629]

Welcome home Sir

[@mattlukethompson]

Welcome home

[@williamm8069]

I just discovered Howard Zinn - what a treasure to uncover. He spoke with clarity and conviction - from his heart and soul.

[@spacepenguin22]

I’m sure it’s by design we don’t have intellectuals debating on television like this anymore.

[@gninja92]

No we need reactionaries bleeding out of their collective vaginas about "radical leftists"

[@GebreMMII]

of course, most people don't even know who most of these intellectuals are.

[@AC-jv4ct]

It is. Most waist there time by design on Netflix if they are not working

[@oldclip70]

This is how we should debate. Contentious, yet civil.

[@oldclip70]

@fkujakedmyname, after January 6, 2021….I agree with you.

[@Randall2023]

Professor Howard Zinn Our Favourite history teacher! ❤️ ✊ Rest In Peace!

[@martinespinoza4525]

I am sorry to tell you this, but if mr zinn, did not have a personal relationship with JESUS, he is not R.I.P But i hope he is

[@brads4606]

Fisher completely misses the point of Zinn’s hypothetical about bombs dropping in Boston. Zinn is trying illustrate how people’s reactions are local, but a higher morality should cause them to be revulsed by what is happening in their names on the other side of the world.

[@AnimalFarmDance]

zinn believed in ethics. many americans are now smearing zinn for his courage

[@mattlukethompson]

Spitting absolute fire

[@awsmdrummer62]

Equating nonviolent direct action with the tactics of Nazi Germany at the end, holy fuck.

[@Jk5384]

Howard Zinn, is one of heroes of this century. A great intellectual! ❤

[@mikeRoweSoftLee]

this is quite possibly the best channel on youtube

[@ManufacturingIntellect]

sadiq Thank you so much! That really means a lot.

[@maxwell10206]

I like the channel name. It's like an extension of Manufacturing Consent book by Noam Chomsky.

[@sini573rfox7]

This man has the law in his hands .....and he will do or say anything to keep it.

[@azureknight777]

The law is nothing more than people with power making rules. They can be just and they can be unjust. Anyone who's lived outside of the sheltered bubble it affords those whom it was designed for can likely think of examples of absurd or arbitrary laws that spoke to the inept, political expedient, or draconian motivations of its creators. Anyone who clings to them as some kind of unquestionable morality, is either a grifter or has never had reason to progress their understanding beyond childhood.

[@antiracistbaby1085]

Exactly, i don't understand why so many people worship the sikly constitution, I want a paramillitary group that will tear down the solly establishment and seize the law in our own hands, jail all my political opponents, expel all refugees and immigrants, empower the police to jail without warrant, and censor and destroy books and media that dare question my authority

[@juancarlosvasquezgarcia4190]

There used to be really good TV programmes in the past. Wow.

[@davidmolfa]

Please continue the great work!

[@CippiCippiCippi]

Why is it so hard for so many to accept these truths Howard speaks of?

[@Baron-nv1ez]

Because it affects the lives of most Americans especially White Americans and their way of living in a negative manner. Most White Americans which are the ethnic group with the most Economic and Political power have a living standard and privileges over other ethnic groups due to the power they have over other groups and it benefits them positively whenever the U.S. government steals resources from other nations especially non-White countries. The stolen resources are shared to a certain degree with the average White American while non-White Americans benefit to a lesser degree, even though they are just as American. At least that's how it has been for a great amount of time in America's history. If White Americans admit there is a problem then they will feel more obligated to act and change it which affects White Americans in a negative manner by reducing their power in this country especially over other ethnic groups.

[@jimmyolsenblues]

You should read more history as to why some people have technological advances and some don't, the Arabs invented algebra and gave up science and math for Allah.

[@ThatGuyBradley]

@@jimmyolsenblues Your comment was the stupidest fucking drivel I've read today, congratulations.

[@mokushmasmo6009]

Baron1250 Meh, that’s just a small amount of white people. I don’t see the issue as whites having the power. More like a FEW of them have all the power.

[@dondrewecki1909]

I wish more of the PBS "The Advocates" show were here to watch. From the days when PBS really was NET, in the best sense.

[@marbury2403]

I remember this show as teen on PBS.

[@edwardjones2202]

Beautiful man ..shames me that I don't work as he and Chomsky do for peace

[@JiM-SWEET-art]

"It's designed to make people think." The interviewer then asks, "Who?" Anyone who is a person. What kind of question is that?

[@buddinganarchist]

Drop knowledge not bombs.

[@mrmarvellous5378]

Zinn was a beacon in the night like Chomsky, Hitchens helping to motivate the motivatable (my new word) to get off our collective apathetic behinds and take action for the sake of humanity.

[@Dhumm81]

@Mr Marvellous I'll second that about Howard Zinn, also his friend and colleague Michael Parenti. Chomsky, not so much.

[@jaisbrennan7696]

@@Dhumm81 Michael Parenti supports Stalinist fascism. Chomsky is a great anarchist thinker.

[@ikea6926]

Civil disobedeince is a cultural state of mind to express revolt to reach existentialism and resources.

[@LoneWolfj11]

HERO!!!

[@niggaville7545]

Shoutout to zinn

[@Randall2023]

Winnipeg Manitoba Canada 🇨🇦

[@nehemiah9190]

Public forum like this will not happen again in a long time. Sad.

[@TheSmsawyer]

I miss this guy.

[@Johnconno]

Worth it for the outrageous combovers, Zinn cool as ever.

[@captainamericaxxx3874]

Kunsler, Tip O'Neill, Zinn, and Dukakis. I thought no one knew who these people were any more. Christ I think I have one of Zinns books on my shelf. So that's him. He's right about his history here.

[@jeremyreagan9085]

Historians are good liers I know I was trained in history. I am with Howard 100% he is what a historian should be.

[@MetalNick]

Jeremy Reagan Thank you. My uncle has a history degree (and also a political science degree [double major]) and every conversation he or I initiates about history immediately turns into him insisting history is just trivia. "I like it, it's like fiction." I fear he is incapable of seeing the connection, for example, between the overtly dehumanizing racist, genocidal founding of USA and current racist foment. And he seems incapable of acknowledging authority anywhere has had anything but noble intent, especially American. It's agonizing to endure. And he is a democrat. Any historical critical thinking about American initiated atrocity and injustice is just brushed off. One more example, the typical patriot line about USA's intentional massacre and mangling, still lingering today, of a quarter million or so Japanese civilians, is given as the saving grace of humanity. That it stopped the war, and it was the best idea anyone had to stop it. As Zinn pointed out somewhere, and this should be common sense, just because things happened a certain way, doesn't mean they HAD to have happened that way. Also, we don't get to take credit for other countries' decisions to stop. We could have entered a nuclear war. Japan could have resisted capitulating, and then what, bomb them until they're gone and we poison the entire ecosphere with radiation? Thanks if you've read this far. Bless you.

[@kennethlauer4735]

@@MetalNick you clearly cannot understand the lengths the Japanese had brainwashed their populace. The leaders of Japan were willing to fight to the last child.

[@jeremyreagan9085]

@@MetalNick I agree but, I should say I am an Anarchist so my views are not determined by our political system. For example I do like the writings of Abraham Lincoln very much. You should read Benjamin Lay. And be loving with your relative. My goal is not have people agree with me. I want people everywhere to stop hurting each other and think.

[@jeremyreagan9085]

@@kennethlauer4735 OH yes let us blame our enemies and ignore our own sins. Jesus Christ was right people are hypocrites all over the world. Zinn is 100% right. I do not advocate any violence I am a pacifist but I understand his righteous anger. Jesus had that when he drove the money changers out of the Temple.

[@kennethlauer4735]

@@jeremyreagan9085 so the Japanese won't surrender, even after the napalm bombings. The war is over if only they finally surrender, and they're willing to keep fighting even if it means the absolute ruin of Japan and her people. What do YOU do?

[@els1f]

Wow, he seems like Mr Rogers real af brother

[@marvamk]

He was such an extraordinary voice for the people. Not for the warmongers, like so many others

[@abshir9677]

Howard Zinn is my favorite historian

[@Randall2023]

This right against might!

[@h.a.b.arguille1896]

Right against might. Plain and simple.

[@AprilMartinChartrandMS]

Wow, I wished people would act like this in 2020. The debates we just saw really needed this type of discourse and consideration.

[@feelwang]

This is most handsome, charming man!

[@Randall2023]

This is right against might!

[@Randall2023]

Love ❤️ Howard Zinn Henry David Thoreau

[@ansnwang1134]

im watching during the george floyd riots. need someone like zinns wisdom

[@jessicamai7783]

Look how long the SAME thing has been going on. We are a failed country.

[@daffodils4her]

Rest in peace, Prof Zinn.

[@Randall2023]

Barrett confirmation hearing

[@Randall2023]

Niccolò Machiavelli The Prince 👑 thread of Machiavelli

[@shanemilk9741]

Am I mistaken or host interrupted Zinn for a purpose on 3:20

[@ZurakVagantedasEstrelas]

I've noticed that too! Zinn speaks about slavery again foward in the conversation and he is interrupted again.

[@carolinasoulshine8949]

Love this man

[@thenaturebro]

Who create the laws = Government. Why obey shit that doesn't make sense?

[@trainerfjk6269]

Hmm, I wonder if the people talking and the people in the audience had heard Dr. Martin Luther King's sermon on a certain section of the Book of Daniel.

[@ansnwang1134]

why didnt they let him finish speaking?

[@Beehighfive]

Please read Dr. Mary Graber's book, 'Exposing The Fake History That Turned a Generation Against America.' Also check out this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKWxl6SArZmCf68 Dr. Mary Grabar - Debunking Howard Zinn

[@derekroh4785]

The host trying to speak over Howard Zinn. Sheesh...

[@OrangPasien]

I find Prof. Zinn’s argument for Civil Disobedience rather ironic. The argument, “We can’t get them to do what they promised so we have to make them.” is EXACTLY the same argument used to justify the use of force in Vietnam. “North VN promised to stay on their side of the DMZ but since they don’t we have to make them.”

[@jaisbrennan7696]

Civil disobedience isn't the same as war.

[@blackenedblue5401]

The People's History of the United States is a must-read

[@ZurakVagantedasEstrelas]

he is stopped everytime he talks about slavery...

[@Hollywood041]

Ew. "You're physically disrupting the government."'... by protesting and choosing non-action? And he equates that to obeying the law as inherently right/proper and dropping bombs on civilians. I cannot do the mental gymnastics to comprehend the argument I just heard.

[@ADAMSIXTIES]

Dukakis was way ahead of Bush, but the Willie Horton campaign and his debate flub cost him the election. Had he been elected no Iraq war, no 9/11, no tronald. Bush opened the door to all those things.

[@mikestrohlein4187]

I wish we could have cloned Howard Zinn.

[@Killroy-vu5yk]

Then become the next Howard Zinn

[@Daniel-yo5es]

bro.. just shave it off man.

[@eziekial101]

he was 49 in this video, but he looks like he's in his young 30s

[@robertdesio766]

Love this guy's sneering condescending holier-than-thou attitude. Please read a book named: "Debunking Howard Zinn." The author is Mary Grabar.

[@johnnythunderschlong3031]

Robert DeSio Mmm licking boots

[@DillPhobia]

Yup, everyone already read it. It's a weak attempt at "Debunking" a labor historian with everything he already cleared himself of.

[@robertdesio766]

@@DillPhobia Zinn is/was a phony.

[@kennethlauer4735]

@@DillPhobia a people's history is a weak attempt at history. Zinn is a plagiarist of bad historians.

[@jaisbrennan7696]

@@kennethlauer4735 Enslaving blacks and stealing native American land is wrong.

[@certaindeed]

Just at the end of the debate and it ended is when zinn would have lost the debate.

[@carolinasoulshine8949]

Howard zinn knew...just like noam the other guy here is a fool

[@josephososkie3029]

Reading Mary Graber’s book on Zinn right now. She states that he was described as “ powerful” , “ eloquent” “ spoke with conviction”. ..... Don’t see it. Plus he doesn’t talk like any professional historian one might hear on C-span.

[@mizaelmendez3843]

I too did not find him to be as what people have said. However, I would argue that he did indeed speak with power and conviction, you can see his passion just leaking out of his tongue. But his speaking is not eloquent, and he is certainly not charismatic, but rather awkward and reserved, as if he does not come into such situations at a frequent rate.

[@12artman]

Domestic communists took advantage of the Vietnam War to shove their foot firmly in the door of American politics. I was actively against the Vietnam War (actually an unjust police action) but once I got involved, here in the states, I was appalled at the extent to which communists and 'fellow travelers' had taken over the movement and were using the pure, raw emotion of the distain for the war to advance their anti American agenda under the guise of peace and freedom. Howard Zinn is one of the worst and most hypocritical. His histories are not only a distortion of facts but he also plagiarized much of it. Using his work in our public schools was and is pure idiocy.

[@eamontdmas]

That would explain why the US is mired in communism a the moment... Oh yeah, I forgot. It isn't.

[@rainbowtrout75]

i miss him so much...now we have lunatic social justice warriors pomo virtuesignalers in all ares of academia, law and politics, i look forward to a systemic repudiation of the rot from paris- post modernism

[@heraclitusblacking1293]

Go read Zinn's "The Politics of History" and see that those you deride are carrying on his tradition of critical historical engagement.

[@MetalNick]

Spoken like someone who can't understand the seriousness of humanity's current situation. Transgender issues are important, for example. Implicit racism, sexism, misogyny, imperialist morality, are everywhere in our culture. It's part of the problem.

[@adamazzalino5247]

Zinn was a "social justice warrior" only rightists with a lack of understanding that activism is needed necessary use that term.

[@ThatGuyBradley]

Ruby you dumb bitch, Zinn would hate you for spouting that right wing reactionary garbage.

[@gninja92]

Post modern ? Fan of "that's not what I meant " Peterson are you ?