Young Shuffle: The Forbidden Ultramarathon Running Technique

[@sheriashley7692]

Cliffy Young was a true blue bloody Aussie legend from my home state of Victoria Australia 🇦🇺 Cliffy used to chase sheep up and down steep hills of his family farm - this just came to him naturally & he used to run Everywhere in gumboots!! The organisers laughed at a 61 y.o man fronting to run a marathon ; 2.5 days in as he quickly passed other runners they were not laughing at Cliffy they were applauding him!! He smashed records and belief about what was possible. He sadly died of cancer 20 years after that great marathon win. RIP CLIFFY YOUNG!!

[@AncoraImparoPiper]

I was a kid runner then and I remember him suddenly appearing on the news. I was awed. I remember Cliffy every time I do my long run and thinking of him improves my technique instantly and I feel energised again. Cliffy is a legend among us Aussie runners.

[@wildhuntconditioning]

What a man he was

[@jameslee7961]

When you run bare feet you naturally do that shuffle. When you watch persistence hunters they shuffle more than they jog. Awesome breakdown and tips!

[@v4forlife]

This is how we tab in the army. Boots and weight and this is the most efficient method of running without trashing your knees. Nice to know I’ve been doing something right!

[@WyattFL5]

Exactly. I was thinking this is the natural movement for running in formation.

[@brianfoster7064]

This is how Army Rangers have been running for years and they can keep up a 6.5 minute mile.

[@laurentb941]

Paratrooper shuffle, theoretically can run this pace all day

[@philipstevens730]

We used to call this the commando shuffle when I was in the Royal Marines. We used to have to carry a shit tonne of weight and running properly was not physically possible, but this style of shuffle was and you can keep it up over all kinds of terrain.

[@maratonlegendelenemirei3352]

Winter selection UKSF 2006 Royal Marines preferred to hold hands during test week.

[@Mmmmmmdonuts]

US Marine here, we did the same thing going on longer hikes or during Recon and later MARSOC selection. Pretty easy to keep up a 11-12min mile pace with a heavy ruck on your back. Good technique for sure.

[@boostabuse]

Good old Cliff beat the record which was 7 days and he did it in 5. watch the doco on him great too watch and inspiring, while the competitors slept Cliff kept on shuffling with no sleep,I remember it like it was yesterday, 👍👍

[@vtodaf4298]

Dude! I’m so glad that you were doing this man. I naturally think about all the stuff in a similar way that you do. I’m very grateful that all of the effort that you put into providing all this information. With all the experience involved, which is probably the best part of all of it, you’re doing it. Not faking the funk! Keep up the bad ass work thug!!!

[@wildhuntconditioning]

Love to hear that! Keep after it bro!

[@heartandmindovercome3214]

Favorite athletics channel. It's not just "here's a technique," there's history and rationale behind it. Love it 👍🔥

[@julianbutler6298]

In South Africa we call this style of running "jogging"😊 - in fact older runners like me (70+) do it instinctively!

[@Headhunter_212]

This must be predominant for older runners at The Comrades. .

[@JCTXFF]

Jogging is what we call it in Texas too.

[@nigelliam153]

You’ve never watched Cliff Young shuffle, nothing like jogging. The big thing was he didn’t stop for a rest unlike the younger competitors.

[@JCTXFF]

@@nigelliam153 Breaks are a necessity like water, but they will cut into your MPH, and a little water will keep you walking. Have heard this kind of a walk as 1 1/2. A fast walk, but not a jog. And remember stay out of the mud.

[@quentinbell5617]

I was thinking this video would actually show video footage of the young shuffle.

[@LVQ-so5th]

I kept waiting for a demonstration.

[@Arithryka]

0:19 0:51 1:08 1:43 2:40 did you even watch the video?

[@ErikItland]

That looks like what I would consider normal relaxed jogging to me? Is that why I always found it easy and could run for kilometers in plain Norwegian army boots? Or is there something I am missing? I'm watching this now because I am trying to recover (no, probably not because of my running style but because of (small) motorcycle accident on ice).

[@edge-climber8540]

​@@Arithryka-- No reason to be Rude! YES WE ALL WATCHED THE VIDEO! THOSE PLACES YOU'VE PUT TIMES DOWN FOR SHOW THE COMMON JOGGING, NOTHING SPECIAL SHOWN OR DESCRIBED! Thanks...

[@dennistaylor5924]

@@edge-climber8540that’s exactly what it is. Do you not run? Stop being an idiot and making more out of it than what it is. The point he is making is slow down and shorten your stride length. Duh…

[@careerdog]

Dude you came out of left field and blowing my mind! Everything I’ve known finally distilled

[@TX-OaksRnr]

To figure out the technique just take your shoes off and “shuffle” on smooth concrete. You’ll naturally find the swing and landing that protects and feels the best. Go very very painfully slow and you’ll feel it. Been running this way for over 18 years now and at 57 and over 25k miles I have no joint pain. Slow and easy. I haven’t won any Ultras but I’ve finished them and felt great afterwards.

[@Chris-tq3uc]

That's awesome! How long does it take you to be able to ru like that in shes/boots after you have learnt the technique barefoot?

[@hendsch1]

Nice tips! I did the exact same thing today. Saw it in a BBC Documentary about running. As hunter/gatherer back in the days, we only injured the animals and then ran after them in a light pace till the poor animal dropped dead in the sun. Thats why we lost our body hair they say.

[@pankithan]

Will implement this in my running. Thank you for sharing this!

[@stefanwolf8558]

I just recently got into trail running and this shuffle is the best way to go!

[@NixonAngelo]

Fun fact: humans can run longer than any animal on earth

[@sativothegrail461]

You never knew my hamster bro 😂

[@darkfoxx87]

We're endurance animals, that's why we're weaker and slower than almost all other animals

[@NixonAngelo]

@@darkfoxx87 those sweat glands were basically a cheat against mother nature 😂

[@Arouth249]

There are tribes that hunt by outrunning deer for miles and miles. The deer burn out and the tribe catches up

[@jakec6800]

Nobody is running further than a husky stfu with Ur lies

[@johngangemi6243]

Tarahumara runners are known for this technique. Saw them doing this in 1980’s. Particularly efficient and energy saving on steeper ground

[@jimtro4403]

Oh how awesome!!! Back in the 80's when I was at Ft. Benning we did the "Airborne Shuffle" and it was awesome, felt like I could run forever!!! I was 18 and in great shape and I was never able to get that running style back. Thanks for bringing it back for me, I am going to hit it now!!!

[@MS_249]

Even after watching the Video I have no idea what this young shuffle differentiates from normal running.

[@raymondwade2433]

Really helpful advice. At 59, I did a 12 mile ruck (35.4 lbs dry) recently on 8/27. Time: 2:47; pace: 13:51, using this method off and on during the ruck. On 9/4 I did a 15 miler, same load-out, in 3:30. Very little soreness the next day, and much more in the tank. Currently training for the Green Beret Fitness Operation OCALA, a 67 mile ruck on the Florida Trail; time cap is 24 hours.

[@colbyerau]

All this advice you can figure out if you go to airborne school. Great content man, I'll keep watching.

[@thomasharris3835]

I swear I was thinking the same thing! This is nothing but an airborne shuffle.

[@amorfatiloveyourfate]

I've never been a runner, but approaching middle age, I've decided to try it out. I definitely shuffle. I know I don't look elegant, but it gets the job done

[@MadJugglerTV]

In the Marine Corps we called it the Recon Shuffle. I ran the 2013 Eugene Marathon at 255 using this technique. Not fast, but great endurance

[@missnurseeri]

Ok thank you for this comment! A few years back I took up running as a novice and would run with a military vet who would run like this. I didn’t know what to call it, but he was FAST and he seemed to be barely doing much with his feet. I called it baby step running. Lol😂

[@CaptainReilly99]

Much like a wolf, they have a short loping stride and can go forever, over broken terrain.

[@wildhuntconditioning]

🐺

[@chadsilva6942]

I just want to point out that while I understand what you meant, a ‘lope’ is a long, bounding stride and cannot be ‘short’ by definition.

[@joeproctor2216]

Great video!!! Can't wait to give it a shot! Thank you!

[@ChuckHolland-i4b]

In US, we called it the "Marine Corps Shuffle". I still run this way in local 5ks other runs. Not super long distance but easy on me old bones.

[@hartdav123]

The "forbidden technique " is jogging?

[@dalriada]

Ssssshhhh!!

[@machinemaker2248]

No, a different stride than jogging.

[@FernandoHernandez-og6be]

🤣🤣

[@sonwil705]

😂

[@landryhc]

Not jogging, note the lack of bouncing up and down.

[@TellusJD]

Still dont understand what it is you are talking about. Did you even show it in the video??

[@Numberfucking1]

My thoughts exactly.... this is the second time I've listened to this guy explaining absolutely nothing. Just waffle

[@thereignofthezero225]

Bs vid

[@paxtoncargill4661]

I've kind of implemented a bit of this into my own running, if i just losen up, i use alot less energy and i can focus on the running more.

[@BlueFalconCommander]

I used this all throughout my army career. Airborne shuffle.

[@hidoom4239]

Why do you call it forbidden?

[@yourajoke4140]

So we click on the video lol

[@carl8568]

Marketing.

[@89bavaro89]

I still have no idea how to do the young shuffle.

[@Ophio117]

little heel strike joggy-jog it looks like

[@zendermeister]

Use gravity. Let gravity decide your RPMs. Keep your back straight. Bend at the ankles, not the waist. Running is a controlled falling down. You should always be running downhill, even when you're running uphill. IMPORTANT: Do not ever use your legs to run. The legs ought to be dead appendages. Instead, use your hips. Twist them, and the legs follow. All running, even Olympic runners, run from the hips. Do NOT push with the legs. Do not kick up the legs in back. As I said, the legs ought to be dead---no stress on them at all. Here is how you know you're doing it right: When you come to a curb, do not step over the curb. Rather, let your hips swing your legs (which are dead) over the curb. Wear minimalist shoes. This is very important. I wear Merrill Vapor Glove 5. This is the nearest thing to barefoot. Tell yourself as you are running: "Tall. Fall. Twist." This is a mantra I repeat continually. When you speed up with this technique, you do not increase your RPM. That stays steady. Never move your legs faster. Rather, you lean forward (from the ankles, never the waist) further, and twist harder. I ran 43 miles at age 62 with this technique, with these shoes, with no physical hitches whatsoever. One more thing: eat lots of sugar during your runs. I prefer Milky Way bars.

[@zendermeister]

Also, never think about where your footfalls. I see so many people who do forefoot running, and they have no idea why. They look ridiculous and they're going to get injured. Someone just told them: "Forefoot running is all the rage" and off they go like a bunch of sweaty ballerinas. When you run from the hips and relax the legs completely, the feet will fall in whatever way it is natural for them to fall. The biggest mistake is to think about footfall. Just think about the hips: twist them. This is the power of running: the hips. Everything else is dead. And whatever you do, never bend at the waist, as this breaks your drive train. Bend at the ankles. It has been proven that running with expensive, padded shoes INCREASES the impact of footfall. This is because the feet are for all intents and purposes put to sleep in the foam. They give up. And yet the foot is so intelligent. This is why barefoot children run with perfect form. The naked foot knows how to hit the ground for the least impact. Thus, barefoot runners actually strike the ground MORE LIGHTLY than runners with expensive, padded shoes. The foot is intelligent and knows how to strike the ground minimally and with the least stress upon the body. The foot in the padded shoe, however, has given the fuck up and no longer contributes to the process. The most intelligent part of the running motion, the foot, is coated in foam and told to shut up and behave itself. Before the advent of reinforced, padded, "supportive" running shoes, foot and leg and back and neck injuries were basically unknown. Fucking Nike invented podiatry---inspiring the NEED for podiatry and foot and leg and knee doctors of every stripe. Strip down and see what happens. Give yourself time to get used to it. Again, I use the Merrill Vapor Glove 5. Gorgeous shoe. Strip down like Abibi Bikila in the 1960 Rome Olympic Marathon. Grace and peace.

[@johnnyappleseed6665]

AWESOME CONTEST AS ALWAYS!!

[@lamekelias4107]

Can you explain me about what the video is I can't good English 😢

[@jonnyh7936]

Ive suffered from medial knee pain for years due to snowboard and ski injuries and havent been able to run for longer than I can remember. I wonder if I can utilize this method to get back into running ? and perhaps eventually not limping ??

[@kk-xj5oz]

My neck was absolutely killing me after my first marathon

[@CoolplayCoolplay]

Great info. I'll have to test the young shuffle.

[@Mistr_Roundtree]

33 hours of straight movement is money 😮‍💨👌🏾

[@Wildstag]

It's amazing that the Young Shuffle is that guy's legacy, especially since he was anything but young when he made a name for himself.

[@CB19087]

Thats mental! I find any excuse to stop 😂 fair play to you 💪

[@papabear328]

awesome video - I found myself doing this intuitively (though not in great technique which is what video helps a lot with) when doing loaded tabs (a.k.a. rucks) over uneven terrain with our army reserves training... thank you for the video and cheers from 'across the pond' 🤙

[@DolphinSneeze69]

same i started running everyday and i found this nice pace i like doing it for hours and you will still be sore but definitely able to recover more easily

[@BlazedTownesFan]

My brother runs like this. I remember him doing 11 miles at a time and not understanding how it was possible.

[@bakedbean52]

Can someone explain the rolling steps a bit more

[@callummcskeane6980]

Following

[@wildhuntconditioning]

Letting the foot “roll through” a strike refers to a smooth heel to toe transition. When you hit it right, it’ll give you the feeling that you are “rolling” through each step. Play with it and it’ll come.

[@bakedbean52]

@@wildhuntconditioningthanks! 💪

[@climatedamage1811]

The YoungShuffle sounds like the LSD of running, Long Slow Distance Running, which was so popular in the 80s and 80s. I enjoy you videos very much; thanks for tharing.

[@teeboytel]

@2:52 „..useful tool for rehillbillytation“ That‘s what I call irony!😹

[@SharekGadd]

That “young shuffle” sounds like every Friday morning company formation run I did in the infantry.

[@CraigDesmarais]

How should the tempo of our breath follow our steps? Inhale for 3 steps, exhale for 3 steps?

[@umaikakudo]

Three steps is for going fast at aerobic threshold and above. Five steps is better for long endurance low aerobic zone pace. Keep in mind you want a quick turnover cadence of around 180 footfalls a minute. Short, quick, and springy is better than long, slow, and sticky strides. Always do odd numbers so the force is alternated between sides. Always breathe through your nose for aerobic activity. It preconditions the air so there is less temperature shock to your bronchial tubes and you lose significantly less moisture reducing the amount of water intake needed in dry (hot or cold) conditions.

[@realSOLowKEY]

I taught myself to sync my steps with a my breath with a song stuck in my head. Imagine a hoo hoo haw or whatever works for you with my steps with my song even with the swing of my arms. All in sync. Almost hypnotizing myself all 4 together.

[@connorduke4619]

I believe you. The fastest I ever run was training on a beach, running in time to a blues song on repeat in my head. It felt self-hypnotising as I ran at about 80% of my maximum speed for about 20 minutes without feeling tired at all.

[@Shevock]

Jeff Galloway recommends a type of shuffle in his marathon books.

[@michaellane1316]

About pacing & to finish a prescribed distance.

[@LaoWaiJac]

When I was young and in the night scene I would get pretty wasted from careless consumption. Id get so drunk I would run home, used the young shuffle to get there sometimes running miles and miles, one time down the Vegas strip.

[@Jersey2WorldTravels]

This looks like the Airborne Shuffle. The military has been doing this for a long time.

[@leevancleef553]

Hey i've been doing this without knowing what ot was. I run barefoot and very differently to other runners. I did a barefoot half marathon earlier this year.

[@zendermeister]

Best way to run! Congrats. The foot, left alone, knows how to land. It has been proven that barefoot or minimum shoe runners strike the ground easier than feet encased in expensive, padded shoes.

[@GreatWhite7]

Cliff Young the original david goggins

[@ivartheboneless1456]

Is it just slow pace running? Easy pace

[@aquateenjunkie21]

So dude made a 5 min video explaining what jogging is

[@BigBadBossu]

Arguably its meant to conserve energy better and be more comfortable than a jog. Jogging is not meant to be comfortable, its to get a decent workout without over exerting yourself. The idea of the "young shuffle" is to be more relaxed than a jog, to be very, very efficient in the way you are moving forward so that it outstrips the possible duration of jogging. Technically he was wasting way more energy moving his arms around as if he was jogging instead of keeping them closer to his center of mass and with less flailing of the limbs. He does have the most important part down which is to relax the body and almost "fall forward".

[@jamesporter5630]

Run along side him. He’ll explain it in detail from 33 hours. What? Wait? Where did you go?

[@topsysdad1]

This is great information. Weirdly this is the 2nd time the Young shuffle has become apparent to me this week. I'm rucking and find this helpful

[@landryhc]

Young learned this from the Massai. I've been running like this for over 40 years after seeing Massai hunters on National Geographic. Another version is called Zen running.

[@RicardoDirani]

I'm not in the mood to look for it in the video: Does it explain why and how the technique was forbidden?

[@thefisherking78]

Spoiler: it wasn't 😅

[@myavatar9590]

No; it appears that that was just clickbait.

[@torifuentes1879]

I discovered the young shuffle on accident while running, I went from barely being able to run 2 minutes to shuffling a 5k! In the same week. Now just need to slowly pick up the speed

[@razdyread]

❤click bottom left with triangle play icon for full video. Love the 4 minutes video🎉

[@jaredj631]

35 pound pack? I go out for three day backpacking trips with less weight. Do you have to bring all of your water on a FKT?

[@billyray9961]

This is similar to the Ranger Run shuffle use my US Army Rangers !

[@alexanderthegreatwasstraight]

Can someone elaborate on what exactly is meant by syncing your breath with the flow of your feet? I have an idea of what it means but I'm not exactly sure it's the correct one, any advice much appreciated.

[@tristanheck]

Hello sir, what do you mean by syncing breathing with steps? 3 steps breathe in, 3 steps breathe out? Thank you

[@markkfitx]

How do you deal with knee joint tightness when using this technique though because I find that my knees tighten up and when I try to bend then past 45 degrees the pain is extreme if you use this technique

[@JonEyv]

Is any running technique based on doing two large jumps and then two shorter ones? I found is the best way for me to run. Is similar to what deers do. The jumpy steps get you far then you recover on the next two . Does this technique already exist?

[@kof867]

I’m not sure but I need answers, that sounds very bizarre I’m intrigued

[@TheBurninghedge]

America rediscovered regular running 😂

[@TomisaLami]

Please tell me what part of the Pacific Northwest is taller than Mount Everest

[@tertiusgous8348]

Some of the tribes here in South Africa used this type of running to basically run gazelles to death.

[@erkkisuvila1480]

Ok. So why it's "forbidden"?

[@ryanstrickland5764]

Just the name is forbidden because it was already called jogging...lol!

[@25inspector]

So this is a heel strike with a roll through the foot?

[@indyj16]

Finding my pace works great for me. Breathe in = two steps, breathe out = two steps, otherwise just zone out and listen to my tunes.

[@bricemenaugh4828]

A lot of us start out with the young shuffle... especially for easy runs

[@ifoundthistoday]

Jogging: Purpose: Cardiovascular exercise to improve fitness and endurance. Movement Pattern: A steady, rhythmic pace. Each foot strikes the ground in a heel-to-toe motion. Both feet are off the ground for a brief moment during each stride. Intensity: Moderate intensity, suitable for a wide range of fitness levels. Benefits: Improves cardiovascular health, endurance, and helps in weight management. Young Shuffle Running Technique: Purpose: A specialized running technique to increase efficiency and reduce impact on the body. Movement Pattern: Short, quick strides with minimal vertical movement. Focus on maintaining a constant forward motion with less up-and-down bounce. Feet stay closer to the ground compared to traditional running. Often involves a more midfoot or forefoot strike rather than a heel strike. Intensity: Can vary, but generally used to maintain a steady pace with less fatigue over long distances. Benefits: Reduces impact on joints and muscles. Conserves energy, allowing for longer or faster runs with less fatigue. Can help prevent injuries associated with traditional running techniques. Key Differences: Stride Length and Frequency: The young shuffle involves shorter, quicker strides compared to the longer strides of jogging. Vertical Movement: Jogging has more vertical movement, while the young shuffle minimizes this to conserve energy and reduce impact. Foot Strike: Jogging often involves a heel-to-toe motion, while the young shuffle tends to focus on a midfoot or forefoot strike. Efficiency: The young shuffle is designed to be a more efficient running technique, particularly useful for long-distance runners. Overall, while jogging is a more traditional and widely practiced form of running for general fitness, the young shuffle is a specific technique aimed at enhancing running efficiency and reducing the physical toll on the body.

[@brianfoster7064]

This style is close to how barefoot runners move. Never land on your heel, instead land on the ball of your foot and slow tm your calf to absorb and redirect the energy into forward motion. Heel strike running is bad for your knees.

[@lamekelias4107]

Can anybody explain about he is talking fully l haven't understand anything 😅😢

[@DSplatter]

When you watch a video and figure out there’s a term for how you had been running with a ruck all along 😂

[@andneomatmj23]

Wow! Thanks!

[@steveallen1340]

But why is it forbidden? Who outlawed it? How do they enforce the ban?

[@sammysantiago5614]

Is this a heel to toe method?? Anyone please I’m new to running and I’m old 😢

[@frankfakazatalk307]

Basically run slow??

[@zalman9607]

Can you explain how to link the breathing to the running?

[@smucka70]

Dude says he’s a hybrid athlete but I find it hard to believe he’s not a cop.

[@wildhuntconditioning]

I recently used the Young Shuffle to run across the hottest desert on earth. You can see the whole thing here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6K8pH-IrbGah80si=mD941-8jffHB9lPz

[@bretzky9261]

I use this for Ironman's and actually go way faster than my old bounding technique due to a much higher cadence.

[@Rogers_Ranger]

It's called an Airborne Shuffle . Literally every Infantryman ever has done this in long road marches

[@chrislisle3101]

US Paratroopers have an old saying “The Airborne Shuffle is not a dance.”

[@gedr1524]

Wouldn't you not want to do the Young Shuffle (heel to toe) with minimalist/barefoot shoes (which tend toward a mid/forefoot strike)? Also, do you have a cadence target? Thanks for your content, big fan! Trying to square this technique while also trying to get my body used to running in minimal shoes/working on foot strike and cadence.

[@manwong6542]

I have the same question. Should I switch back to shoes with insole?

[@noname-zi9xm]

​@@lifterinagardendude. Thats actually terrible for your foot health.

[@johnghent5946]

I am similar, been running in barefoot shoes for nearly 2 years now and trying to find info on the shuffle technique has been tricky but this video has been ace

[@umaikakudo]

For barefoot all you have to do is figure out how to run on pavement with naked feet as fast as you are able to with shoes. Do it wrong and you'll get blisters in less than a mile. Do it right and you'll be able to run efficienctly for any ultramarathon distance. The other drill that teaches you to use your glutes and not your quads is stair climbs of 5 stories or more. Once you figure out how to climb stairs without getting any fatigue or burn in your quads because you are using your glutes you'll be able to translate that to running, particularly trail running up steep, long climbs.

[@myavatar9590]

What is "forbidden" about this running technique?

[@kungfujoe2136]

looks like what i do i was trying to get a pace to run zone 1 (hr)

[@Nico-Diaz]

Is this good for hypertrofy?

[@timcastle9506]

At the age of 69, i have decided to become a " runner", this sounds like a great way to do it.

[@lamekelias4107]

Can you explain me about what he is talking and what tips he gave l haven't l can't good English 😅😢

[@martinbaypedersen503]

Why or where is it forbidden?

[@manzonipasquale8984]

🙏Thank You!

[@nazaxprime]

Back in the day we just called it going tto see a friend. ;)

[@lumpo9681]

So you run and carry your supplies! How do you sweat and not catch a chill overnight in the sleep part?

[@Noah-pc6wq]

He didn't sleep ☠️

[@wildhuntconditioning]

There’s a full documentary about it on my channel, as well as a review of the gear I used. Go check them out.

[@1972Konaboy]

I’ve done some fastpacking in my life. So hard but such a nice way to experience trails. Glad I found this channel!!!!

[@skakollaettklipp]

He didn't wear rubber work boots when he ran that ultra marathon as you say 17 second in the video. He had normal running shoes.

[@illlogick7151]

Run barefoot on the beach with weights in both hands .. game changer

[@john-roywattie1483]

So he's basically just "jogging"

[@johntay3831]

No heel striking is the way

[@kathiray1623]

It seems like during the running sequences, a John Mayer song should be in the background :o)

[@SeanSpecker]

You tube sucks and wouldn't let me post my comment. Bet they don't know how to run either. I'm gonna work on this. thanks much man.

[@jblizzard962]

The young shuffle is walking in the middle of the road with the cars when you can use the sidewalk?