Your First 2D Animation In Blender 2.8

It's important that you start out with the basics when animating in a new program. Something like animating a bouncing ball and working your way up from there. Now that blender Blender 2.8 has been officially launched, it's important that people can see the 2D animation features, its versatility and can understand from the ground up how to navigate in Blender for a 2D workflow. This video doesn't assume you know anything about Blender. This is the FIRST place you should go if you're interested in learning how to animate in Blender.
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[@amiteay]

that moment you FINALLY find a useful tutorial.... this was scrumptious, thank you very muchs

[@skudopludo]

For me it says all layers are locked when I try to draw plz help 😢

[@LemmingAttack]

I completely agree, bang up job, was glad to wade through shit to find this gem.

[@Orphanlast]

:)

[@hdphonector8434]

@@skudopludo just click on the lock n it will unlock

[@xsedohrx]

To be fair this is the first tutorial i have seen from you, I really enjoyed it and although i don't know your open tunes tutorials i would definitely follow your blender tutorials.

[@Orphanlast]

Sorry for the late reply. I like Opentoonz, but I DO feel Blender is the superior program post 2.8. I kinda feel like Grease Pencil is just in an infantile state, but it's quite powerful just the way it is, nonetheless.

[@xtravivid5203]

Thats just perfect!!!!

[@skudopludo]

For me it says all layers are locked when I try to draw plz help 😢

[@Orphanlast]

You unlock them in the layers. There's an icon of a lock. You click on it.

[@skudopludo]

Orphanlast yeah I use Photoshop so I know how to unlock layers, I just couldn’t find the layers bit, anyways I did it now so Thankyou

[@FrankMakesMovies]

For those without a numpad, go into preferences, tick emulate numpad, and use numbers along the top of keyboard.

[@Orphanlast]

Oooh! I'll try to discuss that in my next video about Blender

[@Evitrea]

@@Orphanlast Or just press ` on the top left (right below Esc), you will get a view menu

[@Orphanlast]

Please stick around. I need people who are really familiar with Blender to give tips along the way. The 51 Animation Challenges are just that, challenges for me to complete while learning Blender. Once I have something down pat, I'll make a proper tutorial about it.

[@Evitrea]

I'm not REALLY familiar, but here's another tip: Shift + ` can make you fly in the scene like FPS, do it when viewing with camera can let you place the camera with ease.

[@Kimoto504]

Edit>Preferences>Input>(under "Keyboard" at the top, check "Nmulate Numpad")

[@maq3009]

Dude!!! First of all, Thank You for this video. Second, I feel that you think you were going slow, but you were going at the speed of sound explaining everything. Take a deep breath, or two, between the steps since this is a beginner's tutorial, and explain everything as if you were talking to a 5 year old. You are super talented, but not all of us are at your level just yet. But again thank you. I had to watch this like 10 times, but I finally got it! I know I'm super dumb, and that this is a video that took a lot of your time so I'm thankful that you did it.

[@Orphanlast]

No problem

[@robindex360]

Or may be you have a 0.5x speed specially for you on KZbin

[@TonyInTownNZ]

At last! A real beginners tutorial for actual inexperienced, know nothing beginners. How rare is that among 'beginners' tutorials. I actually understood this and was able to follow along. I have watched over 80 hours of tutorials on various subjects in blender. This is the first time I have achieved something. I made a bouncing ball. Thank You.

[@_Wes__]

The interpolation explanation at 11:00 was excellent! The interpolation section on the official Blender documentation excludes some crucial details, great tutorial, thanks for making it.

[@Orphanlast]

:D No problem.

[@manavshah6831]

I had a hard time on it, whenever I interpolate it seems like its only one point is interplating

[@asianman3649]

came back from 2 years, i made many animations all started FROM THIS VIDEO :)

[@westexis]

Sorry, I could not keep up with you.

[@albertdadzie4567]

Can we just give a round of applause to the Blender team for writing such a good software and making it open and free. As a software developer, I really appreciate the effort. Disclaimer: I am now learning 2D and 3D animation, just for side gigs.

[@Orphanlast]

Damn right

[@albertdadzie4567]

@@Orphanlast Thank you also for a cool tutorial. Honestly the road to producing a 3 minutes skit I can put out on youtube is almost a year away.

[@Orphanlast]

@@albertdadzie4567 right on. You can now turn 3D models into a type of grease pencil effect now too.

[@dochoex]

If you are reading this. I am blessed to have seen this tutorial. Thank you, thank you, thank you! Please continue to teach

[@Orphanlast]

:) Great to hear! Stick around, I teach how to draw all kinds of backgrounds.

[@kircore88]

omg why is it 480p in 2019? the tutorial is good though

[@مقاطعمترجمة-ش8ث]

Even I watch most tutorials on 480p but 720p are sharp enough from me , I never watch anything on 1080p or above ,

[@jyoshiki]

@@مقاطعمترجمة-ش8ث up to you

[@visonha3941]

be grateful its there

[@Orphanlast]

Thanks

[@sambowen]

I've never heard of open toons, so I vote for Blender. :) Found your channel by following KZbin suggestions after watching/searching for other blender 2.80 2d animation videos.

[@Orphanlast]

Well, 2D is what I know, so I'll be working on with that aspect of Blender for a good long while. There have been a TON of shitty videos with Blender's Grease Pencil that you can't even use because Grease Pencil was just way too far into alpha and beta stages. Then there's others where you watch the video and you're just like... OHHH this guy understands the feature but can't draw... uh... ok. So, yeah, I think you'll like it here. Just keep in mind that you CAN use the 51 animation challenges in order to learn more. I'm learning the coolest things right now (which might comprise this week's and next week's video... I release on fridays so the end of my youtube week is Fridays). Just keep in mind the 51 animation challenges are me learning more about Animation as well as learning more about Blender. After that, I intend to release official tutorials when I feel I have everything nailed down. Those official tutorials will not only discuss how to animate in Blender, but will also discuss the sorts of things discussed in the "Animator's Survival Kit" (book). So the tutorial series (way down the road) will be a full animation resource.

[@enderjamer9936]

Can you help me? There is no interpolate button at my blender... I am on version 2.9

[@neerajsinghsaral3415]

Now thats called a real tutorial video .... thnk u

[@StarvEgoFeedSoul]

Can you do an animation in blender start to finish to explain short all the tools of blender, onion skins, etc ? You really gave life to the ball animation you did here, it's great 👏👏👏

[@Orphanlast]

Well, I plan on sharing quite a bit more. But only so much can fit in one video.

[@toddspeck9415]

First time I tried this animation. Thanks for explaining this.

[@sebb6861]

Thank You I've Been Trying To Find The Right Video And I Finally Found It! I Subscribed 😊

[@Orphanlast]

Great to hear.

[@NathanDoran2099]

I use blender a lot for 3D but this was super critical for me when trying to learn the 2D side of it. Thanks a lot

[@Orphanlast]

Right on! Good to hear!

[@Olav3D]

What was the music at the beginning?

[@Orphanlast]

I don't memorize the music. Where? What time stamp

[@Olav3D]

@@Orphanlast First seconds.

[@bcukdannage]

My first attempt at this yesterday was a bit rubbish, but it wouldn't have been anything without this video, thanks. :)

[@Orphanlast]

Right on.

[@Orphanlast]

Right on.

[@bcukdannage]

@@Orphanlast I can't see a video in your playlists for 'rigging' which I understand is the third level of 2D animation. Did you do any videos on that yet? :)

[@samuelh5]

Haha you got the choppy stretching too? Still a good start!

[@archfiendkaguya6213]

everything is trial and error my friend (: im also barely starting just like you and had to restart like 3 times from scratch but it felt good as hell finally getting it

[@HAWXLEADER]

No numpad? Just click the camera icon near the view gizmo... It's 2.8! Also ~ yeah...

[@vazak11]

This was amazing, thanks for sharing, I actually managed to get it to work, aaah first time, woooh!

[@Orphanlast]

Not all animations will be as easy as animating a bouncing ball. But -- hey, it's the first step.

[@parthhole]

finally found a useful tutorial

[@shaileshkris]

Thanks to you, Im started with blender!

[@amazonnarita363]

best tutorial and a leader of blender tutorial that i have ever had. smart. i almost surrender on blender. but finally, this guy draw me back. will be able to enjoy blender now

[@vinianimator1701]

ok. so u can animate now?

[@pinklady7184]

I let ads play out to the end, so that you get paid and make more videos.

[@Orphanlast]

Thanks

[@luvsie1]

Where is interpolation

[@jvsonyt]

I know how to animate a ball bouncing in general, but you showed me the tips and tricks on how to do it quickly in blender which I'm incredibly grateful for. Thank you for this video.

[@Orphanlast]

Thanks man.

[@sarahlukhadia8156]

You are so good .... all the basics are crystal clear!And finally with all those tutorials .... urs was the guide to my very first animation.Thankya 😄😄

[@kacperbryniarski8009]

Thank you bro=D

[@ZZZXIIIXZZZ]

this vid is pretty good i quit blender when it got update and started using other stuff but when i saw this i installed blender back on my PC

[@nekomaster1000]

Very good tutorial! I haven't been able to get into 2.8's Grease Pencil for ages because all the (free) tutorials on it are very amateurish, but this was straightforward and clear! I'm looking forward to the 51 challenge videos, so I've subscribed :D I have to know though, will they be presented like tutorials as this video was? Learning stuff like how to efficiently colour and add FX and backgrounds and such would be great!

[@Orphanlast]

They will be somewhat like this, but the primary goal of the 51 Animation Challenges is for me to get better at animation and to document me learning more and more about the program. So yes, I'll cover all that stuff in time. BUT official tutorials will be released when I'm confident I have things down. A stationary bouncing ball is easy. Once you start to move it, the ball moves in arcs. And there's a number of ways to do that, but none of them are ways that I feel happy with. But it's still faster than inbetweening everything yourself. You'll mainly be resculpting inbetweens and repositioning them to fit the arc, the objects path in motion. The problem witt that method is that it's more time consuming if you're moving objects in 3D space. So the other option I've found is with Bezier curves. But the downside with Bezier curve is that if you don't do everything just right, your ball won't align up with your bezier curve. Furthermore, I think you'd have to animate the ball doing its squash and stretch beforehand, because once it's locked into the bezier curve, trying to sculpt it is a nightmare, the sculpting alters unpredictable spots on your ball. So... I'll have to investigate that a bit more. I DO plan on making good illustrations throughout the entire process of the 51 animation challenges. And if you choose to treat it like a tutorial series, you'll be learning as I'm learning. Read the comment sections to the 51 Animation Challenges. Sometimes someone more familiar with Blender 2.8 will speak up. Like this video's comment section. Someone gave me a hint as to how to use Blender without the Numpad. The next video in this series will be coming out today in a little less than 6 hours. If you'd like to check out the full list of 51 challenges it's here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/an29oGyrnK-HjbM But along the way I'll be working on things like FX and such like that just so that I'll occasionally work on something that interests me personally, and that'll cover other topics that you're interested in. :)

[@rythamsahni1358]

hey! ths video is totally understandable thans for it! please let me know about other parts

[@jaggybot9631]

Ah thanks dude, just started and help me out a load. Wooo my bouncing ball lol x

[@weeliano]

Great job! Looking forward to more 2D animation tutorials from you!

[@Orphanlast]

Thanks!

[@chikokishi7030]

Fckn huge thank you. Most tutorials are like "i make a line.. i change this i change that... finished" Sadly, in the new 3.0 the entire interpolation part of your video is different. so it was very hard to follow along, and i never did find the curve editor. But i was able to get a bouncing ball eventually

[@jamesmalarkey388]

Great video bro, can't wait to see your 3d animations 😉

[@Orphanlast]

Thanks

[@MisterCuriousController]

thanks for this tutorial,,, Im trying to learn animation for my contents.

[@veenibik336]

if anybody dont have a numpad like meh do : hold fn+ any key you want no problem

[@chiron13]

I wish all blender for BEGINNERS videos on YT were like this.

[@christiancolewan]

Hi Orphanlast, just want to say that this tutorial is very good i learned a lot of basics but your explanation is somewhat rushed. Anyways thanks for this video

[@XxKazuha]

Thx

[@kevinschaoticshuttle4544]

ah. Squash and stretch. the classic method. I'm only one step ahead into my journey.

[@Orphanlast]

Step ahead? In the 51 Challenges?

[@NoahTewolde24]

8:15 for laptop or mac users you press A then G

[@lisamaria761]

Noah Tewolde A instead of L?

[@maryannscorner4376]

good tutorial though i was stucked my circle refused to be copied nor pasted. I'm so sad, felt like i wasted valuable time

[@Orphanlast]

Put your mouse over the circle and press L, ctrl+c go to a different frame ctrl+v

[@mattaricky8229]

hello sir!...it was awesome watching this ...but i need to know how to save this as a video format

[@Peaceofheart]

In new verson of Blender the 'Interplate' option is not there..? where to find it out..? please reply...

[@amadlover]

although it was a good tutorial i have reported this for misleading thumbnail.

[@Orphanlast]

Good luck on that going anywhere. I use my mascot to promote my content and there isn't a damn thing you can do about that.

[@amadlover]

Alright. At least include a frame of the tutorial/video in the thumbnail.

[@Orphanlast]

@@amadlover No. Traditionally, people's first animation is a bouncing ball. To think you're going to be animating my mascot is silly.

[@GVoltage07]

How do you select 2 frames at a time??

[@mr.g3765]

Thank's, you help me very much, merci

[@ankutoonz]

Lovly beautifuly explained

[@weathere4055]

FINALLY one useful tutorial.. tysm

[@krayedon]

Thank you for this tutorial! I have been looking for a "blender absolute beginners' 2d animation course" everywhere, and this is by far the best I've found! I have been using blender for less than a year, I think, and it's so cool how many different things you can do with it. Do you think, in the future, you could create a blender 2d animation tutorial series for absolute beginners(like me)?

[@Orphanlast]

I COULD it's not really where I'd want it to be... like... have you ever used Cacani? Blender needs features like Cacani for the Grease Pencil, in my opinion. Like, there's an official Cacani youtube channel where you can see what features it has. Basically, Cacani will make all your inbetweens. That way you can just focus on the keyframes and breakdowns. Blender does the auto inbetweening. But for each and every line, if you want it auto inbetweened this way, you need to have each line on it's own layer. And... that gets messy over time.

[@krayedon]

@@Orphanlast I have not heard of it. What is Cacani?

[@Orphanlast]

@@krayedon basically, you draw your keyframes and breakdowns and you tell the program that there is a relationship from one line in one image to the other. And you're able to set arcs for it's motion path. And when it overlaps with other lines you can give it a masking relationship. Just find the cacani youtube channel. You'll get a good idea of what it can do. BUT my point is, Blender needs that stuff for me to jump into it seriously. My channel used to be about opentoonz. And I spent forever making 3-4 second animations and... there's no way I'm going to be doing inbetweening. No way in hell. It's too much work for 1 second

[@krayedon]

@@Orphanlast Okay, well, either way, I look forward to seeing more content from you!

[@Orphanlast]

@@krayedon right on. I teach how to draw perspective in the Teach Me To Draw playlist. And the Curvilinear Perspective Playlist, teaches how to draw panoramic images.

[@mohlaroykurbonova7536]

thank u a lot! for beginners like us it is a great(and easy) tutorial comparing to others difficult ones.

[@PinkeySuavo]

Thanks for the video. Was informative and entertaining at once. Thank you! :)

[@gourzalehicham3976]

ooooo es goood

[@stefanpodpieraMathTips]

You said that for frame by frame you just kept moving on to the next frame but which key did you press or what did you click to get to the next frame?

[@Orphanlast]

It's the left and right arrow keys between the home row of keys and the numbpad on most keyboards.

[@SmokeeWhine]

yes start over with blender.

[@indianplaying6022]

Hello i wanna try animation I'm 26 years old is it too late for me to try it. And is blender free and thank you for the video

[@Orphanlast]

Yes Blender is free. I'm in my mid 30's. Started 3 years ago.

[@Jennyshalfmusic]

@@Orphanlast 36 and just checking in. What the hell is a computer! ;)

[@ganman7015]

I have fallen in love with the grease pencil... Check my video!! Although I sincerely think 3D is easier... as crazy as that might sounds! haha This video was aweome tho!! Keep it up!

[@dumebiafran1180]

gAnmAn Nah mate 2d is easier for me.

[@johannstrohmann]

great! thanx! had to search a lot to find something like that...

[@Orphanlast]

Right on! Glad you found it.

[@30zSamu]

WOW! Awesome! Thank you!

[@StarvEgoFeedSoul]

I was going to animate an angel descending, the wings coming down to a stop as he/she is stepping graciously on the ground, and a second little jump after, I think it will look organic, natural motion, generating the right E-motion.

[@Orphanlast]

Sounds awesome.

[@Orphanlast]

I am also going to be learning more as I go along. The 51 animation challenges is about me learning more and more about Blender and how to use it. Only the Blender version of the 51 animation challenges should be MUCH easier to follow. But once I feel I have enough know how and content, I'll create a new tutorial. The 51 animation challenges aren't always gonna be tutorials. What you're describing with the angel animation sounds awesome. And you can totally achieve all of that in Blender in 1's.

[@StarvEgoFeedSoul]

@@Orphanlast yes, I was thinking the same, good luck, and than you for all your work, also your voice is great, keep it up 👏👏👏

[@derDeja]

Thank you! Very good tutorial.

[@Kris.krisis]

this is really helpful thank you! also i have a question, how to turn on the onion skin?

[@Orphanlast]

I have other blender videos discussing the grease pencil and I go over that.

[@Kris.krisis]

@@Orphanlast okay

[@hipposarecutehaha4503]

thank you this video is much help for me

[@nothingnothing3211]

looks like i got some real blender 2d tutorial

[@m.yosimaulanahakimsaputra1490]

I don't understand with you explaination dude. Please speak Indonesia :v

[@Orphanlast]

I don't

[@m.yosimaulanahakimsaputra1490]

@@Orphanlast ok

[@macgruber4689]

Great tutorial, Grease Pencil needs a lot more of them.

[@Orphanlast]

Oh, and I'm trying. I have a video coming out today showcasing something that I've been experimenting with.

[@galaktik4058]

Blender 2.9 compatible

[@saili6106]

very nice tutorial ，hope do more tutorial

[@Orphanlast]

I do plan on more videos with Blender 2.8

[@munenewendy723]

yoo men am new in blender and i want to know better

[@dicktolton6056]

Great job overall! Please show the proccess WITHOUT keyboard shortcuts in the future. Thanks for making a great video and sharing your knowledge! Much appreciated.

[@Orphanlast]

Some of these beginner versions of the interface... the clickable ones -- they work differently than with the keyboard shortcuts. They had to remake tools for those icons to be on the screen. I don't think I could do it without keyboard shortcuts. It's fine to start with the clickable tools, but in general, the best workflow is learning the keyboard shortcuts.

[@acescorers3110]

Thank you very much this video helped alot

[@Orphanlast]

No problem. :)

[@jegaveirneynamasiado]

[Solved] I don't know if it's because of the verion I'm using(2.9 I think) but to interpolate, I had to click on "Grease Pencil" to the right of where "Interpolate" was in the tutorial. Then choose "Interpolate sequence" from the menu, and use the little window that appeared on the bottom left.

[@Orphanlast]

This video was made a while ago. Recent updates have changed some of the interface.

[@pushstarttoplay1142]

Just tried it for the 1st time worked great. Tutorial was easy to follow n easy to understand 👍

[@UpfrontMamaBadgerVLOG]

i have 2.80 Blener and i followed your step and i ran into a issue where at 13:58 Mine JUST VANISHES im wondering if im doing something wrong lol send help

[@Orphanlast]

I have no idea what you're doing to get them to vanish.

[@shresthpratap4208]

Bro thak you soo much ❤️❤️❤️❤️. Log from India 🇮🇳

[@Orphanlast]

No problem.

[@theundertakerman2]

How do you add new frame so fast?

[@hxxvxxc]

i don’t have the 2d animation bar

[@JacquelynWeitz]

Hi, how do you do the interpolation in version 2.93.4? I don't see the interpolate menu/button next to Mult as is shown in your tutorial.

[@Orphanlast]

Believe it or not. You follow the tutorial, because, even today, people are still saying the video is still relevant.

[@allanfisher4380]

Ok I'm having a small problem, on the frames at the bottom, yours shows little yellow diamonds for all the key frames... I can't get anything to show up in that area it just shows the frames as being blank even tho they are not... Any clue how to fix this?

[@Orphanlast]

I don't know... unfortunately.

[@danielcameron8285]

Great video and great explanations

[@yeahrightbear8883]

Hey why don't you change your thumbnail to a bouncing ball. Kind of misleading don't you think?

[@Orphanlast]

Most people's first animation is a bouncing ball. So if someone finds it misleading that my mascot is on the thumbnail, and they think their first animation is going to be a person, then... they're delusional.

[@DoctorReyesArt]

Wow , you actually have to sculpt the ball just to squash it. Are you sure there are no tools in blender where you can just uniformly scale objects. Or pick an axis to scale on?

[@Orphanlast]

You can scale it. But you won't be accounting for gravity deforming the sides of the ball going downward. just press S and then X or maybe Z and you'll get the transformation your asking about. But it's a waste of time because it'll create a bouncing ball that doesn't have realistic physics

[@FelixFeatures]

480p though..

[@Orphanlast]

You and 400 other people have mentioned this. I had trouble streaming, up until I gave up on it. And I lowered the video quality to try and improve the streaming performance. It didn't work. I forgot to up the settings when making this video. Free tutorial.

[@geuroreactz5854]

How do you go from the grid to a blank paper at 1:08 ??? I’ve been struggling with this

[@Orphanlast]

Maybe you're thinking of File> New> 2D animation. I talk about all of this on my channel.

[@greenleaf1635]

How to draw a circle at a certain position or any other exact position? And after that, how can you align the circle in the next frame to the previous one? Like where is the canvas grid where you can align all the objects to each other? Is there a way to draw guide lines and make your objects snap to it?

[@Orphanlast]

You mean you want to animate a planet? You can just move the camera

[@kaphonie]

I'm disappointed cuz I thought I'd learn how to animate what I saw in the thumbnail.. not a ball bouncing tutorial x)

[@Orphanlast]

That's unrealistic. The thumbnail has my mascot in it for brand identity. But that's sort of like thinking that your first animation would be Mozart-level. Gotta learn how to crawl before you can walk and so on. But there was no no false advertising with the thumbnail. I use the mascot somewhat regularly.

[@kaphonie]

@@Orphanlast I noticed after I skimmed through your channel xD I just thought a ball would be in the thumbnail if it was gunna be the focus of the video. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (I didnt hit the dislike button in case you were wondering lol xD

[@lisamaria761]

Nothing happens when I press L... pressing G to grab it works but idk what L is supposed to do...

[@Orphanlast]

Put your cursor over an object, and press L. It'll select all linked Vertices.

[@MrMania-nw7bj]

I don't know may be I must ae=ve doing something wrong but I am totally not able to get the result because not able to foollow the tutorials most often I just end with strruking to a point where my cursor dont work on the drawing area and then I just go to new and then renew the scene annd thhis is the everyday thing not able to animate the thing even the bouncy ball this seems difffiicult and way more frustating

[@Orphanlast]

Okay, well, there's a way to do it. Maybe you're not in draw mode and maybe you're trying to draw in object or edit mode or something. There's usually a simple fix. If you can't switch from object mode to draw mode, make sure your drawing is actually selected in object mode, then edit mode, draw mode, and sculpt mode will be available. Maybe get familiar with modeling and sculpting in Blender first. That might be a good way for you to start.

[@storyguru2712]

Please do more like this videos

[@vinodasari8894]

wow, impressed. very well explained. Blender seems to be better than opentoonz for beginners

[@Orphanlast]

It all depends. My latest video, I try this workflow with everything. And it doesn't work out so well.

[@Strelitzia_2]

i know its a bit late for this kind of comment but I think the onion skinning went away when you changed the keyframes to extremes cause the onion skinning is set to filter by keyframes

[@Orphanlast]

I kinda talk about onion skin filters a bit in another video.

[@BRRBS162]

I use mouse cause I like using mouse

[@Fortunavirtu]

when i foollow along but the 1 and 0 dont get me out of the 3d thing i keep getting stuck on so i end up having restart blender again cause i still dont know how to getout of it

[@Fortunavirtu]

reddithelpped me out u click the camera icon

[@cyberzone5351]

Bro I have a problem that what is the shortcut key for moving to the next frame

[@Orphanlast]

The arrow keys.

[@peaceisbrave133]

Hello sir ... I recently discovered your channel and did the bouncing ball animation on blender... Your explanations are great ... If you could make a guide to animate on blender 2.93 in 2d ... It would be great ... LOVE FROM INDIA 🇮🇳...