YOUR HAIR IS NOT 4C SIS...Let's Talk About It

[@Bromeliadsss]

Girl this is the one. I cannot stand when I type in “4c or type 4” and I get a TON of other hair types to scroll through before I even get close to 4c.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Right smh 🤦🏾‍♀️ it’s so annoying!

[@diginandpitchin]

BUT some type 4’s have naturally silky hair. That might make it not look 4c. For example, I’m a mixture of 4c, 4a, 3c, and a little bit of 3b. You can see my hair in the first few seconds of my video, “The Relationship Between Black Americans and Native Americans in Colonial Louisiana”. Would I be lying if I said that I had type 4 hair? You can clearly see my type 4 coils in the pic.

[@Bromeliadsss]

@@diginandpitchin that’s not what I’m talking about tho. I’m talking about people that do not have a single type 4 curl on their head. People with multiple textures are not the problem. Most black people have multiple textures and levels of sheen/shine to their hair anyways.

[@diginandpitchin]

@@BromeliadsssGotcha! Thanks for the clarification. 👍🏾

[@reefreef1866]

@@CoffeeCuties777 @reefreef1866 Look up Green Beauty, her channel is AAAAMMMMAAAAZING! She has created a hair typing system that is far more intricate and superior to this bogus hair typing system that Andre Walker came up with.

[@1sava]

I knew his hair typing system was racist, but I had no idea Andre Walker actually said that about coily hair. Not surprising but this is so disgusting. His typing system should be burned with fire and banned forever.

[@mariepearl-harbour2335]

Avoid it at all cost. Don't use the chart it is bogus. There are so many hair types that are not included on his hair chart.

[@twcrazy]

@@mariepearl-harbour2335I agree. I call my hair coily. That’s my hair type. I’ve never heard someone say I have 1A hair, they just say straight hair.

[@sheebaby]

Sava! Nice to see you around. I was thinking about your channel a while back 🙂

[@sheritownsend5359]

How do we know he's accurate? How did he come up with that rating? Society often follows people who have been proven wrong, years later. I wouldn't put too much faith in the rating of our hair. Instead, work with your hair and find what types of styles work for you.

[@mariepearl-harbour2335]

@@1sava The Andre Walker Hair Chart is a Euro-centric Hierarchy Hair System. Very dangerous....

[@cebile1493]

You are correct about the 4c click bait I'm from the southern part of Africa and whenever I click on a video that says it's 4c I later realize it's a click bait my KZbin algorithm ended up being filled with 4a and 3 type hair....I then started using their hair routine which necessarily didn't cater to my hair type....I now only watch a few AA women whom I know have 4b or 4c hair and most of the West African women I follow have 4c hair it's only three women I follow from the Southern part of Africa that have 4c hair

[@patriciazandilencube4597]

Same; I'm also from southern Africa and over a decade ago I started trying to follow these hair influencers. I only realized from weird results that my 4C hair was never going to do what they could do with their hair. And that's okay. Now I follow a few as well and my hair is fine.

[@artsylolli4171]

I found out I have 4b hair after ACTUALLY doing research. Before that I thought I had 4c hair for the longest due to misinformation. Now I see sooooo much people with hair types that aren't even close to 4c, saying that they have it, knowing that they have 3b hair...😐

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting 🤎and it sounds like a lot of us have the same experience and you’re so right about the other hair types saying their hair is 4c when it’s clearly not🤎

[@dumfriesspearhead7398]

My twa has several hair types in it, which is ironic really.

[@bre9328]

Idk, ppl wanting a 4d or 5a category rubs me the wrong way, because they be having 4c hair, but they're trying to say it's so difficult that it "has to be" another category, when in reality, they have issues with their hair (i.e. not good maintenance), their mindset towards their hair isn't the best, and/or the styling options they want to accomplish keeps failing. So, they blame their texture when they see another 4c girl who is thriving in their hair journey, and claim it's another "more difficult" texture.

[@jassiesworld]

I’ve seen 4d hair and they actually take care of their hair

[@bre9328]

@@jassiesworld Why do you call it 4d instead of 4c, though?

[@Lashid4u]

Consider the hair of the KhoiSan, though ...

[@bre9328]

@@Lashid4u I'm sorry, but that just looks like 4c hair that hasn't been tampered with. One could even say 4b, because of how coily it is

[@likemycommentifyouwantareply]

@@bre93284b is “kinky”, s-curl pattern. My hair is 4b and it doesn’t coil, it zig-zags. 4b is a tight wave while 4a is a tight curl aka “coily”. We have the blueprint patterns for the other hair types hence why Andre Walker only said there was only 4a/4b. 4C wasn’t included.

[@joanasilva7149]

I follow Brazilian hair content creators, and 1 thing I've noticed is that they rarely ever use 4c to describe their hair they just call the 4 type "crespo" (coily) which I think it makes more sense.

[@jackseve]

Spanish call it colocho.

[@JadetheGoober]

@@jacksevey hoy aprendí, gracias familia ❤

[@LethalLemonLime]

I prefer calling my hair coily too. I don't think saying the hair type is wrong. It was created in an English speaking country (usa to be specific) so it makes sense that it's more commonly used there. White people use the system just as often too. They'll be like I have 2c hair or I have 3a hair, etc. So it's not like it's only black people. It goes from 1-4 straight to coily. Anyway, I do like calling my hair coily and calling it curly just seems a bit fraudulent imho especially since when one says curly no one is really thinking about type 4 hair. Like that TikTok where that guy was asking where are all the naturally curly haired girlies are at and all these black girls with type 4 hair responded lol. He said "curly" for a reason lol.

[@theunexpectedsmile5535]

Can you please share the names of some of these creators? I would love to have some new people to follow and learn new hairstyles and techniques from.

[@joanasilva7149]

@@theunexpectedsmile5535 of course :) youtube.com/@abnermatias?si=mFOaO65Y-sxDbaN6 - Abner Matias he's a hair consultant he has a lot of videos of pretty much anything about hair and he helped me a lot when my hair was breaking and understand hair in general youtube.com/@pattneves?si=EzxTCvBvxk84kfrn - Patt Neves lovely content and she also openly talks how she deals with her alopecia youtube.com/@jacycarvalho?si=Z6dPw-7PWA4X2e5G - Jacy Carvalho more on the creative side such as hairstyles and protective hairstyles youtube.com/@louquinhadeblack?si=Vc9KHW00TCFNDPeX Louquinha de Black amazing content creator if you're looking for brasilian product reviews and I've followed her for a long time youtube.com/@luanycristina?si=dGUMDiWBuKkhiSkI - Luany Cristina love her channel also good for hair product reviews and protective styles as well youtube.com/@palomacinthia1857?si=b9tfTfWZHeV7_uEi Paloma Cinthia very informative content if you wanna grow your hair know how to take care of it

[@patriciataylor6935]

Continue to teach us about our beautiful hair types. It’s time for us to embrace our natural beauty 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@CoffeeCuties777]

@@patriciataylor6935 Thanks for supporting 🤎🤎🤎

[@tonyakerryspeaks]

Revamp the whole system. New rules: everyone is a 1: 1C is curly, 1S is straight, 1W is wavy, etc.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting 🤎and I actually plan to make a new hair chart highlighting type 4 hair only. What would you like to see featured on the new chart?

[@prettyrat.]

Something else that i’ve noticed. idk if im tripping or smth but i feel like if i search for hair care tips, sure i’ll get a lot of stuff relevant to what i’m looking for… but if i add ‘4c’, ‘type 4’, ‘afro’ or ‘natural’ to the search i get videos of tick removal and pimple popping and sh* along with it?? i feel like i get more ‘gross’ videos w shocking thumbnails whenever i search something related to 4c… i don’t watch videos like that so ik it’s not my algorithm… does anybody else experience that???

[@SunseedStarchild]

Yes!! This happens to me too!!

[@doll.ov.poetrii4682]

This is also my experience!!

[@itslatasha4726]

Oh my goodness!!! I thought it was just me! I’ve been hesitant with some searches and squint my eyes when scrolling down because I DO NOT want to see pimple popping. The posters probably know it is a popular search term and use it to promote. Kind of like on twitter, some accounts will use hashtags that have nothing to do with their post just to get engagement.

[@likemycommentifyouwantareply]

OMG YES. I’m glad you said something so now I know it’s not just me. I hated that YT was suggesting such repulsive videos when looking for 4C hair content I deleted the app (I’m back on obviously 😅) but yes. I don’t know if these creators are tagging 4C hair or what kind of conspiracy is going on but I do know that bw have been under attack for centuries and this is just another form of others trying to sabotage any attempt made by us to love and take care of ourselves 😢. Not sure what, if anything, can be done about it.

[@likemycommentifyouwantareply]

@@itslatasha4726these people are evil. Why don’t they do that with other hair types? I’m so glad I’m childfree. This world is clearly not made for my kind 😢.

[@sarebear7777]

Tbh the letters don't matter. Only the number, porosity and density.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting 🤎do you feel there needs to be any changes made to the current porosity and density test or are you satisfied with the current models?

[@lexxie225]

I disagree. I tried many products hairstyles from 4a creators and got different results, while also expecting to get their results

[@KNt820]

​@@lexxie225 why would you expect the same results when youre hair looks different? That has nothing to do with tge chart thats just basic logic. Also someone who has 4A hair could also get a completely result.

[@WTFVIDSok]

No one should have chronically dry hair. You might be surprised that you actually have a different type 4 hair if you can ever conquer dryness. In my youth and when I became natural, I had very dry hair that would be categorized as 4c. However, once I STOPPED USING commercial products, my. hair type CHANGED. If you just think for a moment, a lot of the additives, preservatives and other chemicals in commercial products are there so that the product does not go bad on the shelf. It will last on the shelf for years. What has that go to do with you though? That's the concern of the company, making their products last on the shelves to maximize profit. That has ZERO to do with your hair, right? You don't need those additives, preservatives and synthetics in your hair. Almost all of my hair products are completely natural. Most are kept in a container in the freezer and refrigerator so they won't go bad. I use African Black Soap diluted most times but I also use very mild all natural shampoos. I do a lot of DIY also. Rassoul clay is a wonderful cleanser that can be used a few times a year. Check out Etsy. Many of those vendors for natural hair products sell all or almost all natural products. READ LABELS! You should never buy a product without reading the ingredients. Once you clarify your hair and start using products without synthetic chemicals, you will see the difference. Also, not everyone can spritz their hair with water every night or every other night. I tried that after watching KZbin and my hair was the driest it's ever been. Maybe some natural chemicals are not for you either. Glycerin, wax, alcohol, and aloe may not be your friend. Learn your hair thoroughly, do trial and error. But no one should have chronically dry hair.

[@evlinboo9071]

Funny he said 4c hair is limited to styles cause 4c hair literally invented small braids and protective styles since the antiquity.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

I agree 🤎🤎🤎

[@mariepearl-harbour2335]

The Lois Hair System seems a bit better to use not a hierarchy system. I would advise to come away from the Andre Walker chart, it has so much flaws. Hair shrinkage does not make your hair 4c. This is a misconception.

[@NanaSaga]

I think it is because 4c content, unlike people like to claim is very watch. It is the star of type 4 hair🎉. By being portrayed as the « least attractive 🙄 » by black women. Bad publicity is still publicity. Now, more BW are enjoying and uplifting their 4c hair. So more people want to relate since it is positive. We don’t really talk about 4a unless it is to compare it to 4c. Also, 4a is treated like lightskin black women 🤭. 4b is rarely talk about, lol😂. It is like the 3rd wheel, ❤. It is treated like brown skin black people..aka who cares. That is my two cents, hope you think about it ❤.

[@twcrazy]

There was a time when no one wanted to be 4C. They ran from it. 😂 Now that 4C hair is starting to become more popular and loved everyone wants to claim it.

[@NanaSaga]

@@twcrazy I think it is cool…people want to be us. It’s is flattering 🤭

[@diginandpitchin]

😅

[@NanaSaga]

@@diginandpitchin What ?

[@diginandpitchin]

@@NanaSaga I like your comment. Be blessed. 😇

[@anaturalee8370]

I have 4B in the majority of the front , 4C in the middle and 4A at the back!

[@JG_SmileSOBright]

Most ppl claiming to have 4C hair have unmoisturized 4A/4B hair they haven't mastered. True 4C hair lives in the videos of women from Africa/UK. Andree Marie is a perfect example of someone with 4C hair and the majority of her clintele has it as well.

[@lionsden6457]

Very true. Also, this new thing about "4D" hair is inaccurate. What is being referred to as "4D" hair is actually 4C hair that has not been moisturized.

[@SassyNymphet]

@@lionsden6457 i have unmoisturized 4c hair 😅

[@truthserum1271]

My daughter has 3 types. Her nape is loose 3C then center is 4A 4B front edges 4B/4c

[@ExotiqBeautii]

Nothing more discouraging than looking for a tutorial with your hair type, only to find Mya's hair type claiming 4c. As a young lady, I couldn't understand why my hair wasn't curling up and edges slicked down after adding the entire container of ecostyle style the way there's was SMH. On top of that, the other struggle I have are running into the ones that claim to have low density hair, but one of their braids from an eighth of a section of their hair is the same thickness as one braid for my entire head. Lol. #DEYNOTLIKEUS

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for pointing out the importance of density as well as texture because that’s so true…when I create my new chart I’m definitely going to speak about density as well 🤎

[@ExotiqBeautii]

@@CoffeeCuties777 please do sis, and thanks so much for what you're doing for the community!

[@CoffeeCuties777]

🤎🤎🤎

[@thewordsmith5440]

I hate when people with 4a hair say they have 4c. It's like delusion. I really think people do this for views.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

I agree 🤎

[@Rue100]

LOVEEE TYPE 4 AFRO HAIR MY PERSONAL TEXTURE AND MY FAVORITE HAIR TYPE....TYPE 4C HAIR TO BE EXACT IS EVERYTHINGGGG

[@CoffeeCuties777]

🤎🤎🤎🤎🤎#coilygang

[@kmj2000]

4c was coined roughly 20 years ago during the Nappturality days, a forum dedicated to natural hair. Originally it was called "cotton nap" or "c-nap" (we weren't afraid of using the word nappy). It was meant for cottony textures that had no regular curl or coil.

[@sharsings2682]

Ive been natural (relaxer free) for over ten years. I don’t use heat often or straighten my hair and it took me years to realize I have a mix…4b on the top and sides and 4c in the crown/center. My crown is the most sensitive and easy to dry out and break off while my top and sides grow faster and the back nape is always the last to grow even though it’s 4b and I also have somewhat low porosity hair …mainly in the 4c sections. I actually use different types of moisturizer for my 4c sections and keep my hair braided or do wash n gos

[@sheritownsend5359]

Recently, my cousin told me that she thought I had 3C hair. I can't believe that. I think it might be 4A or B. We were comparing my hair to her daughter's hair. Her daughter has a lot of hair, which is full, rich looking and amazing. She said her daughter has 4C hair and that's why those big hairstyles, she wears last longer. At the end of the day, what matters is finding the type of styles that you wear well and that compliment you.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

I agree 🤎

[@sacoryafreeman7195]

THIS!!! I real life was thinking I had 4c hair for the longest because a lot tests they put out and google searches really do confuse you. I sat up yesterday and really dug deep to understand what my hair type is and I love that this video exists for me to really understand. And you’re definitely right most of us have 2 types of hair on our head and that can make it a challenge with products sometimes.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting and I’m glad this video could help…I’m doing a video about different hair textures in our head soon so be sure to subscribe 🤎

[@xXJade_AssassinXx]

Very informative - tbh *4c afro hair is the rarest hair type on the planet,* and being dark skinned with 4c hair makes you the rarest kind of human aesthetic on the planet. *Dark skin and afro hair only make-up somewhere around 15-19% of the WORLD POPULATION,* and that's including the entire continent of Africa. Since social media is so "main character" driven, I feel like a LOT of influencers especially, *just claim to have 4c hair when they don't for clout. On top of that, google searches and weave industry social engineer a woman with 4C hair* to think her afro hair is "wrong" in pushing that the 4C texture "should" look like not 4C / looser texture lol. Its insane how we went from 4C hair being dogged, to *it being weaponized as a propaganda* or clout tool to again try and manipulate black women into hyper-consumerism. *4C afros are obviously the Queen-Mother of all curly hair for a reason* because it gave life to all other curly hair textures. I am 43% European mixed, and I wouldn't have not a single curl if not for my mother's 4C hair. A lot of 4C and black women in general though, aren't used to how *our hair actually compliments our features* due to euro centrism. We internalize that it is "unkempt" when really it is not. The world only favors straight hair because *it makes up most human heads on the planet, and is more lucrative due to quantity (not quality,)* than the more rare afro texture. Its not about us...its literally *about the money. That's why the weave industry is so predatory* in trying to make us conform to what is common. Straight hair like afro hair has it's evolutionary reasons; *straight hair is better at handling more humid-hot climates, less sunny environments.* Their hair dissipates heat much more efficiently than ours, but does not protect from UV like ours does. *Most places in the world are not deserts / extreme heat like parts of Africa, so curly hair isn't as common as straight hair* because it wasn't apart of many cultural evolutionary chains - *not because something is "wrong" with it. What is "unkempt" to them, is totally normal for us.* *Normalize the fluff.* Its 2024 and all this BS that lead to black women struggling with our hair *was all built off pure ignorance of science, geography and sociology, not fact.* Do not belittle yourself because *you are not common like some straight-haired woman.* Do not feel insecure because straight hair is *weaponized as a propaganda tool to spurn hyper-consumerism.* Our hair has already put us outside of a very predatory world of consumerism so we can be the voice of reason, seeing what's actually going on. A blonde haired white girl is a marketing strategy, not an icon. A BBL weaved up black girl is a marketing strategy, not an icon. *Are you a marketing strategy? Or are you a person?*

[@VlogginTherapy]

Amen to that

[@SarahFarrell-g7q]

Human, matter of opinion, there's nothing human a having fur, brillo pad carpet on the head 🤮🦧🦍🐑🐩🍌

[@AshaHassell]

Hair content is inconsistent because hair typing is made up & false. Everyone has multiple textures in their head, and then some people have fine/thick strands but low/high density & their surface can be course or silkier etc. Its way too many factors for us to claim 4c. I find that we graviate towards labels especially 4c because we think our hair is unmanageable & difficult. If most people started to wash their hair frequently they wouldn't think their hair is difficult or 4c.

[@Mii..]

I still have trouble typing my type 4 hair so I just assume (by the way it looks) that's it's 4b. Every video I watch doesn't help me in figuring it out. I would like to know, how do you figure out which part of your coily hair is lower/higher density, fine or thick and most importantly, type of "type 4" is it? An answer to these questions would be great from anyone that already knows how they found out about theirs.

[@FUEGOSTARR]

I noticed this 7 years ago. That’s why I left this frame of thinking and kept it simple. The relationship that I have with my hair is so different now .

[@CoffeeCuties777]

That’s awesome 🤎🤎🤎

[@fireinthesky_71]

Wait! More than one curl pattern on my head!!!!!! My eyes have opened today Lord.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Yes I plan to do a video about this in the future so make sure to subscribe 🤎🤎🤎

[@blushbaby5278]

The is silly when i was a child in the 80s and 90s there were no rating systems. How about we get rid of it entirely it just pit blacks against one another i do not follow black hair rating systems. Good hair is healthy hair to me

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for your comment and I understand where you’re going from as far as the typing system possibly causing division however it has its purpose when it comes to educating women how to talk care of our Coily hair. 🤎

[@jd2024-]

I remember for years I kept cutting my hair thinking I had heat damage but after 5 years no heat I realised my hair is just naturally very loose like 3c at the back but the rest is 4b

[@sharsings2682]

Also I’d recommend trying Tabitha Browns hair care products they not only smell amazing but they are vegan and have really made my hair curl patterns stand out!

[@Sinadarling]

Very good video! I have looser curls at the nape of my neck for some reason. I also have teeny spirals at the roots of my hair. I think mine is mostly 4c but could be a mix with 4b. I love the idea of us using a new chart

[@CoffeeCuties777]

What would you like to see on the chart? I.e hair type only or in addition to density, texture,porosity etc.🤎

[@Sinadarling]

⁠@@CoffeeCuties777I would definitely say more focus on the density and porosity vs just the texture!

[@-Never-bored]

Pamela Ferrell came up with the circle hair system which describes on the size of the circle a strand of your hair makes based on type face size. For example 8 pt which is a tight curl or 108 pt which is a loose curl.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

I never heard of this charting system…I will have to look it up…thank you 🤎

[@Lashid4u]

Your vids are SO informative! Yeah, I believe that my hair is a combination - Mostly 4B, but perhaps, more 4C in the kitchen ..lol ...but I think that a lot more Black Americans are 4B, although they may categorize their hair as 4C, automatically ...but yeah, I DO think that there should be 4D added, because when I think of the KhoiSan people of Southern Africa (Namibia) ..They have what has been referred to as "peppercorn" hair, which appear to be EVEN MORE tightly coiled than 4C hair. GREAT video!

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thank you and thanks for the information about Khoisan people as well. I plan to do a video about Type 4D so I will definitely be researching this to add to the video🤎

[@mizzchillz]

Your words changes your reality what you speak over your hair positive or negative your hair can feel it. Mindset is important even in your weight or body.. be kind to yourself

[@CoffeeCuties777]

I agree…thanks for watching 🤎🤎🤎

[@CoilyCode]

I love "The Coily Community" Yaaaaaaassss!!!!!! BTW, It makes me cringe to see type 3 and type 4a/b use type 4c for views. like...

[@diginandpitchin]

My head is a mixture of 4c, 4a, 3c, and a little bit of 3b. I think that I can speak on all 4 because they all exist on my head. 😂 GREAT video, by the way! Great job with your explanations. 👍🏾

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Oh wow 😮! That’s the first time I’m hearing someone with that many mixtures and thank you 🤎

[@diginandpitchin]

@@CoffeeCuties777 😂 It’s crazy. You’re welcome!

[@soleilantillean30]

​@@CoffeeCuties777We are out here!

[@am-harris7458]

I've never heard of or seen a person with that many types in one head of hair!😱😱😱

[@Boohurghhoo]

You feel how you feel and yk your hair but you didn't mention all type 4 hair-you "forgot" 4b. You said 3b, but not 4b...(4c,4a,3c,3b) so...and I'm not tryna be funny or anything but that's not you (from what you said) having all 4 tk/speak on all 4.

[@AlexandraAdaolisa]

I try to say I’m a mixture of the different fours but then people are mad that I’m not repping 4c and ppl think I’m reaching. I say I got 4c and then some think I don’t based on how I wore my hair that day. I think the perception of the types is waaaay off to the point where the system isn’t even useful. It’s whatever someone wants to believe it is. That’s why I like to say specifically kinky, coily, curly, porosity, thickness of strand and/or type four hair but then ppl mad cause type four or those other things are generalizing. Can’t win. Hate this system. I think it’s wack.

[@jemts5586]

I've always been natural however I never had to do my own hair until I was like in my final year of high school because my mom had taken care of my hair all those years up until then. Eventually I found online forums (because this was before KZbin) on afro hair and that's where I came across the hair typing system. I automatically assumed that my hair was 4c because the pictures weren't very clear. That didn't change until just a couple years ago where I finally changed my products, changed my hair care practices, and I really became aware of the different patterns across my head so now I say that I am type 4 because I have literally a b and c on my head. I think there is too much obsession with the hair typing system and with categorizing black hair as type 4. The assumption that it must be type 4c and if you're not mixed your hair could never possibly be 4b or 4a.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for sharing your experience and I agree unfortunately🤎

[@BantuBeauties]

At this point, 4c is the *it girl* of the hair types 🤣

[@CoffeeCuties777]

lol 😂 I agree🤎

[@ThePinkSwanCulture]

@@BantuBeauties I love this perspective. You make me want to embrace my 4C hair more.

[@BantuBeauties]

@@ThePinkSwanCulture glad I did 😁

[@hereforit2347]

I just took another look at Andre Walker’s hair-typing chart. Not only did he put Afro-textured hair last, he gave types 1 and 2 an A, B, and C categories. He gave types 3 and 4 only A and B categories. He gave Afro-textured hair short shrift in every way. Why do we adhere to a chart that dismisses and insults us and our hair? I don’t get it 😢

[@SAKEENAHNYC]

I’m happy we’re getting rid of the “hair typing” system bc it’s far from accurate. It’s useful for hair texture but not when it comes to curls.

[@prettykitty5416]

I think the whole twist out/breaks out thing can be confusing for some people too as these styles obviously make your texture look looser. I have 4a/b hair and people always tell me my hair is in the 3 category until they see me with my hair in it’s natural state.

[@sharoncarsons5734]

What's the point to hair types other than to find products that work? Clearly, not all type 4 hair reacts the same regardless of how tight or loose the coils and kinks are. Hair porosity, hair density, the width of the hair shaft all lead to differences in the way hair looks and behaves. The only real similarities among type 4 hair is that it tends to be dry and to tangle because of the tightness of the curl. Everything else is as individual as each persons other features.

[@OrganicAlumination]

Omg not tryna be rude but I used to follow this super fine chocolate girl and I forgot exactly what I said, but her followers like live vicariously through her because her hair is like thinner... And I forgot what I said but when her followers was like well I think it's just the difference between fine hair and coarse hair, but it was like shade to it.. like I got played for having the "nappy" hair of the situation. Like her hair is like a 3c 4a but like she pretends like she's foresee when it's convenient but her hair is like she gets all this praise because her hair is quote on quote good

[@KimHeb.]

I've only relaxed my hair twice in my life because most places refused to work with my hair. I have multiple textures and a lot of hair. I wish the catagories were more inclusive, acknowledging mixed textures with type 4 hair but also how hair changes with the ebbs and flows of life.

[@Jam-dp1vb]

I think any time ppl see an Afro with no product ppl assume you are 4c. I have 4a some 3c hair but it still isn’t that defined when wet. I’m more frizz prone, but my sister who actually is 4c her hair is a little more defined with water. It is the smallest coils, it’s beautiful. So just because your hair doesn’t define as easy doesn’t automatically mean it’s 4c.

[@dejorareason2823]

My hair does curl up in a spiral when wet please respond cause I always thought I had 4C hair but you video made me realize it

[@dejorareason2823]

I hope you know what I mean but my hair looks like a jerri curl when wet

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting and based off your description it sounds closer to 4a but I will need to see it to confirm. You can email me at [e-mail] and I will assess it to the best of my abilities but keep in mind I’m not a licensed professional 🤎

[@callmechichi1711]

Very informative video. Tfs.

[@LoveCompassionPurity]

They do that ish to get views. Then have the nerve to get offended and defensive when we call them out.

[@Mdmeskywlkr007]

I ❤❤❤ ur content! Pls keep it up. I feel like I have at least 3 diff hair textures in my head 😅 The front temples have a way looser curl pattern and feel compared to that of the front center...which is diff than the middles and back of my head. Altho it's looser in the front, its harder to retain length compared to the rest of my hair which is more stereotypically ”4c”.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thank you and that’s so interesting I didn’t even think about how different textures affect length retention…I’ll have to look into this and do a video🤎

[@hereforit2347]

I have several curl patterns on my head. I really have no clue what my hair type is so I don’t bother with the hair-typing chart. 📊 Not to mention the texturist comments and point of view of its creator, Andre Walker. I don’t see the legitimacy of the chart or what real purpose it serves.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting and I agree in regards to the andre charting system but I do feel that the charting system can be useful especially in the beginning stages for styling tips etc….thats why I plan to create my own hair charting system for type 4 hair🤎

[@hereforit2347]

@@CoffeeCuties777: Good idea. If there’s going to be a hair-typing or curl-pattern chart, it should start with the tightest of coils at A1 or 1A, not the other way around. After all, who’s using the chart? People with Afro-textured hair. People with straight or wavy hair couldn’t care less about a chart because their hair is seen by society as the standard. Why should Afro textured be last on a chart? Africans were the first Modern humans. We AND our hair came first. 🥰

[@joanasilva7149]

It's funny cuz my hair is the same, and I speak Portuguese and follow Brazilian and Portuguese content creators, and they just call the 4 type hair coily ("crespo") even in their hair products. Type 2, 3 and 4 have their own name and they rarely use words like 4a b or c

[@CoffeeCuties777]

@@hereforit2347 Yes I want the chart I create to start at 4a…what would you like to be included without the chart for example only hair typing or would you like to see density, porosity etc?

[@CoffeeCuties777]

@@joanasilva7149 Oh wow I didn’t know that and a lot of us have a mixture and I plan to make that clear in the new hair chart I create🤎

[@LethalLemonLime]

3c also wasn't in the original chart. Neither was 1b or 1c. It was it rough estimate from what he's observed. It was greatly improved by adding 3 categories for each but unfortunately people overtype which pushes everyone into the 4c box. I have 4a hair but I know many women with big loose curls who think their hair is 4a so then true 4as think their hair is 4b/c. Also most type 4 hair has a similar surface texture. Some do have hair on the silkier side but for the most part we have afro textured hair. So depending on how the hair is styled (or like if it's combed out or stretched) they're going to look similar. My 4a hair combed out is going to look like 4b and 4c combed out because we all have afro textured hair usually. If you comb out the coil pattern then there's no difference to the eye but that doesn't mean your hair is 4c. I see so many people on reddit combing out their hair and then asking what their hair type is. I feel like people forgot that the types are about the natural wave, curl, or coil pattern (or lack thereof) only so we can't type you based on it's surface texture.

[@Buttergirla]

I hate it when nonblack people automatically identify as 4 type hair is 4C just because its afroy. They literally dont know wtf they are talking about 😡

[@CoffeeCuties777]

I agree! Thanks for watching 🤎🤎

[@YOUR-WORD-IS-YOUR-BOND]

Exactly, I said that we don't all have the same texture of hair...

[@CoffeeCuties777]

🤎🤎🤎🤎

[@RMA8159]

Soooo did he relax Oprah’s hair? 2:29

[@Ifeoma_Gift]

This sounds like Tatiana White's voice. Is that you? Similar presentation style too 😊 Informative video overall.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

lol 😂 you’re the second person to say this but no it’s not her but I love her content and would love to collaborate so please let her know about my channel…also I plan to do on camera content on my membership channel so make sure to sign up 🤎🤎🤎

[@Ifeoma_Gift]

​@@CoffeeCuties777Wow, that's awesome ❤ Sorry for the confusion 😅

[@Nottiy]

3c, 4a and 4b wasn't apart of the chart either. It was added by women that were on hair forums during the 2000s. Hair typing got popular on hair forums during a period of time where cameras were low quality and many didn't digital cameras. The hair type chart was an easy way to describe what your hair looked like during a period of time it was a little weird to post photos of yourself online. It was never meant to be comprehensive. It got popular because its easy to use with a visual reference. Two people can say curly and mean very different things. We vaguely understand what's meant by 3b hair or 4b hair. Even with click baiting or people saying they have 4c hair simply because they struggle with their natural hair. Being someone that was on hair forums, i find it a little odd the strong reactions hair typing get during a period where you can easily upload high quality pictures of your hair online if you want clarity about your hair. I will not be using any other chart or learning another chart. It feels pointless. Its a limited tool that helps you find other people that have one thing vaguely in common. There's so many things when it comes to black hair care that's disturbing that maybe i'm being insensitive when i feel like people are really dramatic about hair types. Plenty of hair dresses think exactly the way Andre does and it didn't come from hair the hair chart. I've known what hair porosity is since 2008 but its felt irrelevant for my hair journey and has been but for other its been essential for their natural hair care. What's helpful to me isn't for others. Limited tools have their place when we understand that.

[@Nottiy]

Angela Davis is a good example of what dry combed hair vs defined curls looks like. If you look up what she looks like now, she has curl loose curls in a wash n go but her hair has the ability to be an afro ( age likely thinned her hair a bit). I think many of us are only used to seeing our hair in its afro state we don't pay attention to our hair curl or coil pattern and end up assuming a hair type. Again, i see hair typing as a limited tool with limited uses. In the past, women with type 4 hair weren't doing wash n gos so its only really now we're being exposed what a defined head of kinky hair looks like

[@rbgsista9236]

Even the pictures are incorrect. The ones shown for 4a, are type 3, the ones shown for 4b were more on 4a side. The whole thing is a mess and mainly because of natural hair youtubers lying or being confused. Like OnlyOneJess or Naptural85 hair is 3c, not 4a. I remember there was a description years ago that explained that 4a is like a pin needle and 3c is like a phone cord, folks calling real 4a hair, 4b and its not.

[@MihlaliDamoyi]

Hey, I come from South Africa I believe the majority of people from the Southern part of Africa do not have 4c hair because our hair is really coarse and thick. Personally my hair burns off blowdryers and breaks off combs, I believe the has to be another ranking whether type 5 or 6, because hayikhona. We are the descendents of the Khoisan people so if you've seen their hair you will understand where I'am coming from.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting and I actually did a video about type 4d hair…check it out and let me know what you think 🤎 What Is 4D HAIR? kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYezkHulm9ydraM

[@elainerekopantswe2933]

I am a Continental African i dont think the current classifications cater for us here at all. I thik there needs to be a new classification just for us as in African hair as opposed to African American hair for example. If we consider that there are differences in genetics as well as climate and weather an African classification would really really be useful.❤🙏😊

[@CoffeeCuties777]

I agree🤎

[@sherylsutherland1183]

So when my hair is wet I see three hair textures 3c 4a/4b my mother is mixed from Trinidad she has type 2 hair my dad is from down south Alabama and his hair is more coarser definitely 4c my siblings and I all have very different textures of hair

[@auroraseyets8516]

I'm a little miffed that so many of us are "typing" our hair based on a chart that a man, who did not appreciate nor understand our hair. created. Eww Andre Walker 😠

[@LadyRootzTV]

just black hair...yall arent chill enough...damnnnnn

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Huh 🤔

[@elainerekopantswe2933]

I do beleive im 4d and probably 5a. Can we just leave the 4c to everyone else and have our own category.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting 🤎! I have been looking for someone with 4d hair for a project I’m working on…can you email me at [e-mail] to share your experience with that hair type🤎

[@elainerekopantswe2933]

@@CoffeeCuties777 will do. There are plenty of us here even if it's not me even.

[@kiwilove2163]

As the saying goes… “youre not 4c, your hair is just dry” 😂 I hate getting hairtype-fished when looking for actual 4c videos

[@CoffeeCuties777]

lol and same here🤎

[@Blackbrabx]

The hair chart is not that accurate and we should stop using it

[@CoffeeCuties777]

I agree! I’m working on creating my own hair chart for coily hair that I will be releasing soon…make sure to subscribe so you can check it out when it drops🤎🤎🤎

[@CJ-xq6xw]

Technically the chart should start with the original hair which is a tight coil. This should be type 1. All other textures are genetic variations of this strand. Original Men/Women were divinely created [1M+ yrs ago] with coiled hair to wick heat and serve as extra sensory antennas [multi-directional arrays] to feel out their environment. As we migrated out of central Africa, hair served to keep heat in ... Straight hair is the last of the genetic variation [only within the last 50K yrs] to develop in response to environmental conditions and therefore should be typed 4 or so. I believe this understanding is important because often thick-course coiled hair is seen as though GOD made a mistake when it is just the opposite! Celebrate and adorn original beauty

[@CoffeeCuties777]

I agree! I actually plan to create a new hair chart that highlights type 4 hair…what would you like to see included? 🤎🤎🤎

[@pel1155cdVc0p]

Very informative. However, “representate” is not a word in the English language.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thank you and lol 😂 you’re right! It’s how we talk in the Midwest but I’ll be more mindful of saying represent in the future 🤎

[@theduchessofdarknessofficial]

I have 4a hair and most of these ppl claiming 4c but it looking like 4a

[@truthserum1271]

Shrinkage %

[@2_blAck]

😂 I have Ethiopian hair🙂‍↔️ Just because I refuse to follow the masses❤

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting 🤎

[@libfuzzy4629]

The typing system is bogus

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Yes it had its flaws but it’s a good resource for someone who has no clue about their hair and want to get started embracing their natural hair🤎

[@Ari-jm6xx]

The women used to represent 4b hair don't have 4b hair. They look 3c-4a.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting and I try my best to get as close to the proper representation as possible…however if you have some hair representation that you feel is closer to a accurate description of a particular hair type please email me at [e-mail] 🤎

[@jzlovekin]

I definitely have 4D hair

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting 🤎what characteristics do you feel your hair has that sets it apart from 4c? I plan to do a video on 4d hair and would love to hear your experience. Please email me at [e-mail] if you’re interested 🤎

[@jzlovekin]

@@CoffeeCuties777 my hair is very hard, zigzag, and grows out locked like dreads.

[@mallen5990]

When I watch some videos claiming to be 4c, I know that I must be 5 or 6c category

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting 🤎and I’m doing a video about 4d hair soon. Can you email me at [e-mail]…I would love to hear your experience with 4d hair 🤎🤎🤎

[@erinr3436]

The LOIS system

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting and I did a full video breakdown on the Lois hair charting system. Check it out and let me know what you think 🤎 THE NEW NATURAL HAIR CHART kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIacc4OahJ6EbNU

[@charleneroberts5463]

4b girl here

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Same here 🤎🤎🤎

[@jackseve]

I’m a former licensed cosmetologist. I’m talking about from 1991 through 2009. You’re providing some wrong information. You have your hair texture, density and porosity. In addition hair being dry can give a wrong concept of hair texture. Someone can be a type 3 that is very dry dnd appear like type 4. We need to be sure we are properly moisturizing our hair to get a better idea of our true texture. There was a wrong categorization you gave. Your patterns are straight, wavy, curly and coily. Curly is hair that has the pattern of Shirley temple curls. Curly follows a pattern. Coily encompasses the varying degrees and compressions of z patterns. Coily DOES not follow a pattern. Level of dryness can affect and impact the classification and or mis classification misclassification.

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thank you for adding your insight to the conversation…I’m actually looking for a hair stylist that specializes in the health of coily hair to interview for my channel. If you are interested please email me at [e-mail] 🤎

[@KevinSamuelsPowerBottom]

This is why I don't subscribe to typing. It's a very flawed system

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Your username lol 😂 and I believe the hair chart has its benefits when it comes to product selection, styling, and educating to a degree especially for women that are new to their natural hair journey but it is definitely flawed. I’m currently working on a chart that highlights type 4 coily hair🤎

[@am-harris7458]

REPRESENTED OR REPRESENTING! 😨😨😨

[@mexme-me-2]

Representated? Where are you finding these words? What's this need to add "tated" to every word? Isn't represented a word anymore?

[@CoffeeCuties777]

lol 😂 you are the second person to point that out…it’s how we say it where I’m from lol but I’ll try to catch it in the future and say represented 🤎

[@SarahFarrell-g7q]

It's not represented because it's not hair its fur or a brillo pad, electric shock just stuck on the head 😂

[@CoffeeCuties777]

The trolls are coming in here I see lol 😂 if it’s so undesired why are you so invested in a video discussing it?

[@SarahFarrell-g7q]

@@CoffeeCuties777 I watch because it astonishes me hearing the lies and denials actually trying to convince yourselves then go hide it with wigs weaves lace fronts extensions etc which looks ridiculous on a black because it's not in your DNA to have white or Asian hair texture

[@CoffeeCuties777]

@@SarahFarrell-g7q Oh so you’re a fan…got it🤎

[@SarahFarrell-g7q]

@@CoffeeCuties777 Oh yeah find it hilarious and fascinating denying yous all self hate because everyone of them I see on a daily basis has like a birds nest on hiding the afro its side splitting so funny 😅🤣😂 then use the bs crap it's a protective style, protecting what ffs 🙄 the afro never sees the light of day 🤣

[@BrownieCaikes]

​@@SarahFarrell-g7qhow are you gonna make an ignorant comment about black people 's natural hair, and then turnaround and complain that we are wearing wigs and weaves. Uhhh why do you think so, because ignorant people like you are talking nonsense about how it looks naturally so if the world convinces you that something you naturally have is not beautiful enough then eventually you are going to try to alter it.

[@mariaaleksandraantuszewicz4933]

You might find it irrelevant but it's ET-cetera, not Eck- cetera.

[@EbonyWhitee]

I have very low porosity 4C hair all over, but right in the front I have a patch of hair that is more porous. And right in the center is a patch of more 4b pattern, and it’s very noticeable when my hair is wet because those hairs clump together. Our heads really are just like finger prints, so unique. 🤎 10:12

[@CoffeeCuties777]

Thanks for commenting 🤎and I actually have a video about styling different hair textures dropping tomorrow so please make sure to subscribe 🤎🤎

[@EbonyWhitee]

@@CoffeeCuties777 Thank you! 😊