Your Supplements Are Contaminated

[@maynardk1]

Oh no, that’s terrible, which ones have the banned stimulants so I can avoid them. Like specifically which ones have the best banned substances so I don’t use them in training 😉😉

[@BigTiddyGothGrappler]

Cr4ck is the best on the market.

[@mcfarvo]

Band or banned? ;) (edit: aww, he edited out his typo, but you probably figured that out)

[@dcsteele]

Yes please. I'm so worried about modern products containing the chief ingredients in my stockpile of solid bricks of heirloom jack3d from 2009!

[@ryanmichaelpower]

I would also love this information for research purposes

[@dcsteele]

I wish labdoor had a deep web alternative called lab backdoor

[@mylesmackey2430]

I think it’s incredible how Mike keeps dropping jokes and Eric just glosses right over them without missing a beat. Doesn’t break character for a second, no matter how hard Mike tries to get him to crack😂

[@TetrAggro]

What having a podcast with Omar Surfclam for years does to an mf

[@ThiefOfNavarre]

Haha, It's amazing! 🤣

[@workingguy-OU812]

Until the very end, which had me laughing.

[@__________8997]

You can see Eric Helms crack some grins, still mostly stoic 😆

[@TheKruxed]

Ones a professional, the other is a meme

[@fitfranco]

15 years ago, had my own supplement business. Not only the supps are dirty, the business is cut throat. All integrity gets thrown out if you want to succeed. Couldn't do it for more than 3 years. Great video Mike!

[@anonymous134y]

Exactly it's well known that dietary supplements are all contaminated using crappy quality assurance in chinese factories. There's barely any vitamin/supplement manufacturing plants in North America. Creatine is well known for being contaminated, that's not creapure or other trademarks. This goes for a lot of amino acids and etc. In North America with our terrible regulatory bodies like FDA and Health Canada, this happens in food as well with fish (aka search fish fraud), oils (avocado and olive oil). These aren't conspiracies, these are reported by many government funded studies. There is 1 company out there that actually vets products before putting them on the shelves they carry and it's Costco funny enough. They have some of the highest quality meat/fish/supplements out there.

[@TheNamesDitto]

You're not wrong!

[@cb5528]

What companies do you recommend?

[@sharpe8888]

​@@cb5528Supplements from Canada and the EU are regulated

[@uuh4yj43]

so did you do shady shit to your supps?

[@Iron.Historian]

*Angry Greg Doucette noises*

[@DILFDylF]

🦜

[@AngryOscillator]

@@DILFDylF 👌😂

[@josho.9530]

LOL

[@spartanmucho5950]

Love him

[@CarlosFlores-pl3lb]

WAAAAH

[@tab021]

Friggen powerhouse duo. These 2 fellas comprise the absolute best knowledge ive come across in my 20+ year fitness journey. Stellar to see these guys together

[@Tools_of_a_God]

3DMJ has a great group of talented individuals on their squad. I would love to see Alberto Nuñez and Helms do a workout with Dr. Mike

[@empirion502]

Add Brad Schoenfeld and you've got the holy trinity

[@tab021]

@@Tools_of_a_God if Alberto did a Dr mike leg press routine... idk if youtube could handle the vascularity

[@britishrocklovingyank3491]

I think it's adorable that Mike thinks the corporations are going to tell the truth. Bless his heart.

[@vinsauvignonblanc]

Good on Eric for pushing back on that notion without derailing the conversation.

[@enmorot]

@@vinsauvignonblanc Yeah, Eric was great! Someone really needs to nuance Mike's "government bad, corporations good" attitude. I mean, it's not that hard to understand that when it's all about making money, everything else comes second (at best).

[@britishrocklovingyank3491]

@@LawAndTheory Now we know that it won't have any quality control. Just trust the guy who is against the FDA.

[@TSS0Qk3n]

What a hopelessly naive take that was from Mike. You would think someone with an education like his wouldn't have the naiveté of a toddler, but I guess not

[@Someguy8822]

Mike talks “tough” but ultimately seems like a Good Lil Boy at heart.

[@ropable]

Dr Helms is honestly one of the #1 sources of fitness information on the internet. Not to mention articulate as heck.

[@Atlas-Disco]

Hyped about this episode. Always wondered and believed they did have banned substances in some brands more often than we think.

[@Sabeine]

THANK YOU for addressing this! As a coach myself, I never get supplements that don't have GMP and 3rd Party Testing on them.

[@SinisterSkip]

Haven't heard from Eric in a long, long time, somehow. Glad to see him again, still kicking it! I've learned a lot from this guy like 10 years ago.

[@Hagzorz]

I work in post market surveillance in the medical industry so this is not just particularly fascinating but eyeopening about what can slide through the cracks with supplement manufacturers.

[@danlevitch]

Great to see Eric Helms on the channel! Can we get the link to that article he mentions at the beginning?

[@mitchwyatt9230]

seconded. Video guy , do your job (meant tongue-in-cheek, but please do add the link)

[@why_not_both]

Yeah come on Scott!

[@ShawnFumo]

@@florenceclerc1935 Yeah I'm curious about that tier list

[@apocalypse487]

It was included. Read the description.

[@danlevitch]

​@@apocalypse487 It wasn't, but looks like it got added, thanks for noticing!

[@user-ii7xc1ry3x]

First Henselmans and now Helms. Damn, we having it good. This is some good quality sh*t.

[@MrPie-os5hh]

Thank you for being such a good source of info. RP is the only company I’ve seen in recent times that doesn’t push 1,000 plus supplements. The most integrity on YT

[@HowardVanZant]

Dr. Mike, this may not be a topic you want to touch but I feel like it’d be a miss not to ask you if you’d do a discussion/lecture on peptides. I have a few friends who are into them and having stacked a few have legitimately blown up for “nattys” (like 15# of muscle mass in 3- 4 months, blown up). As a natty the online world of peptides feel a little shady and frankly you or your biological son are about the only people I’d really trust in the matter. Could you do a video speaking to peptides from a hypertrophy perspective - efficacy, safety, etc. - please?

[@CarlosRomeroFilosofia]

Mitchell Hooper just released a video on that if you're interested

[@sergiootero5904]

Check out @Vigarous Steve

[@beepboop9848]

​@@CarlosRomeroFilosofiaI will definetly check that out, thanks

[@jenniferhoward1972]

I would absolutely love to see this from Dr. Mike & team as well.

[@brandon.m]

Taking peptides voids your natty status. Your friends are no longer natural.

[@AB-lb4zv]

Love this conversation! The whole supplement industry is a minefield . Whenever ppl ask me I’m just nervous to even say what to take . From person to person this could change but I’ve come more aware of the peace of mind that third party testing / labels on products provide to help navigate the confusion .

[@thadmano9782]

I remember taking Angel Dust (original version) where it boasted about having DMAA. And on the day I took at the gym I had a panic attack and heart palpitations. So I just laid down on a rubber mat in the back of the gym sweating profusely thinking I was going to die.

[@thadmano9782]

Then several years later took SARMS from Indonesia. Obviously I know what I am doing.

[@mattmurphy7030]

We used to get hyped asf on jack3d (the original DMAA pwo) and hit pr after pr

[@Are_you_eyeballing_me]

@@thadmano9782 Lmao. You just don't learn, huh?

[@philipkim9779]

Eric Helms!! Mike is doing amazing job bringing great minds in his channel!!!! Thank you Mike!!!

[@brettdegeorge9847]

Hey Dr. Mike, I just wanted to thank you for bringing attention to the issue with your colleague. As both a personal trainer and someone who works in the Anti-Doping World, I think it's important to highlight these supplement concerns. The last thing you want is for an athlete to pop positive for a prohibited substance and be sanctioned, or have someone potentially cause damage to their health in the name of performance or health goals.

[@benjaminmiller3075]

Mike has a lot of trust in market mechanisms to create safety while looking at evidence that it doesn't work

[@enmorot]

Yeah, it shouldn't be hard to understand that when it's all about making money, everything else, including safety, comes second (at best).

[@CarlosRomeroFilosofia]

It's not as if we recently learnt about fucking airplane doors breaking down mid-flight because of quality control issues. If that happens with airplanes, which are supposed to be heavily regulated and part of a highly competitive market, can't imagine any market mechanism strong enough to deincentivize shady practices in the supplement industry

[@ropable]

The incentive structure in the US is pretty bad for this. Like: we can say whatever we want about our products, but we only get in trouble if someone goes to the effort of investigating us.

[@BaconManBruh]

@@enmorot I'm gonna paint a picture and this happens to EVERY MANUFACTURING PROCESSOR like every single one of them even FOOD now let's say McDo outsourced their fillets to a manufacturer that have clients on other companies like Wendys and some local suppliers like small businesses that's FISH related so they are all made in one factory. It's standard procedure to sanitize everything before processing another product and some of them even DEMANDS a thorough check like on a micro level and these people are called Quality Assurance "Same building" now these people sometimes are picky :D if they can get away with it they will like it's just a small company so a few contaminants should be OK but when they are processing McDo a bigger fish that can crush them :D they will go out of their way to check and even reject if there's contaminants like torch the whole batch and do it again and they are gonna lose money from this raw materials so on so they instruct their men differently to whatever is on for processing and if it's a big company they will clean that thing top to bottom like a whole hour of cleaning "now this is an example of a bad manufacturer". Now given this it is doable to add another layer of security for securing product integrity but at a cost of downtime and money so a client lets say Greg D picks a manufacturer "Oh look this one is cheap, more mark up for me" but the reason its cheap is coz these manufacturers are cutting corners sacrificing quality so they can charge you less and they get more orders and these prices are rock bottom prices and it's a very competitive market "They have a red flag with a stars so go figure about quality depends on how much you are willing to pay" so who do we blame? Is it the manufacturers? well you got what you paid for. is it the client "woops i didn't know, im just the sales guy". It is doable, clean products and it doesn't have to get super expensive but the problem for me is market saturation "Too many players trying to get a big slice of the pie" due to market saturation the manufacturers are tempted to cut corners so they get to make these supplements for these companies and lets say Greg D offers low prices now this will affect others so :D you got yourself a stack of dominoes that's trying it's best not to collapse reinforcing pieces and eventually gets crushed by its own weight and then you will see Government Regulation stepping in :D hoping they do a good job and hopefully they are not corrupt and get bought out :D and then manufacturer just renew their brand if they get in trouble :D change their company name, and do it all over again from the top :D so it's at the end of it all Government can fix this easy if they even have the time and resources to do it and here's hoping they don't get bought out.

[@BaconManBruh]

@@enmorot Another layer, lets say Company A files a lawsuit against Manufacturer A and Manufacturer A has alot of money so just settle :D problem solved and they will do this again and again and again and if things gets hairy just close and open a new one on a different name :D. Litigation time is a nightmare too so it goes on and on and on. I have a headache now, jeezus. I'm gonna lie down, world can be trippy bro coz it's a cutthroat world out there.

[@bernardojunqueira2392]

That was one of the best videos lately. Very informative. Thank you.

[@JesusIsSoCash]

When I first started messing with pre workout, Jack3d was still around and goddamn that got me though college exam all nighters. Good times.

[@JackTheRabbitMusic]

When I first started working out regularly, Ma Huang was my pre workout, along with some caffeine and a baby aspirin.

[@Vincent_Beers]

Aspirin isn't good for muscle growth, bad idea.

[@mediaisthevirus]

Best formula

[@mattmurphy7030]

Jack3d was king

[@stevenhenry5267]

It was great,but it fucked up my bladder

[@testitestmann8819]

Guy, THIS time there is turkesterone in my pills, I promise!

[@thebonk7138]

#Greg callout hahaha

[@cyrrustvirus]

muahahaha :-D

[@seanc77339]

Amazing!!!

[@mikelaporte7954]

Ok merci

[@Utchaynavlogs]

That's the nonsense supplement of all my friend

[@railasvuo]

I only use products made in my home country (Finland) because then I know that they only contain what they say. There are much stricter laws here regarding this

[@celerywarrior6493]

There are probably a lot of countries that have more strict laws regarding supplements than the US. Using this idea, if the supplement you are using is also available for purchase in these countries, it would seem like these would be the safest?

[@based8223]

Fins are Mongolian babies

[@mrRunist]

They're not. They never had contact with the Mongolians. ​@@based8223

[@AdamMc192]

*Eric is the man* stood on stage with him back in 2019! Great bodybuilder too

[@mattwasMTB]

OOOH MIIIIIIKKKKKEEE, Jake's "Road House" work out is out :)

[@lawngnome777]

the movie is called Roid House, get it right, muppet.

[@ShaneJay-wx7nu]

​@@lawngnome777hahahaha 😂

[@bex9295]

he doesn't look roided at all lol@@lawngnome777

[@thundersleycleaningco.6621]

It’s not a hypertrophy workout, it was fight specific with a cutting diet. AthleanX have already done it

[@ThiefOfNavarre]

@@thundersleycleaningco.6621 Meh, already watched the AthleanX video. Wasn't convinced. He showed a few stills, none of the juiced up ultra cut, methed out trailer footage. Could have been photoshop I suppose but Jake went from looking like me at 200 to a roided crack junkie in 6 months.

[@glenhoddinott3799]

I remember taking a product in my mid-twenties that was from a company that I considered to be reputable at the time. It was a whey protein powder, and it came with a "natural" herbal product that was intended to increase your natural testosterone production. I am convinced that it was really just steroids. I got fucking huge in less than 6 months. I could feel my whole body changing almost weekly. I felt fucking unkillable. Then I stopped taking it after I don't even know how long (maybe a couple years), and I immediately crashed. Got fat within a couple months. Couldn't keep weight off, got bitch tits, felt lethargic and depressed all the time, and it took me years to fully recover. My testosterone levels were still on the low end up until about 2 years ago (I'm 39 now)I find it highly improbable that a purely herbal supplement had that kind of impact on me.

[@diablominero]

Could've also been clomid. That isn't herbal, but also isn't steroidal, and does actually work by boosting your T production.

[@davidb9323]

Sounds like mass tech

[@zeek_backup]

wow....

[@KrakkenXXX]

Jesus

[@ZicoTheDon]

What product is that? I really wanna know so that I can avoid it, no other reasons

[@ringodooby]

The ford pinto. A good example of how you shouldn't trust companies to make their products safe without some sort of oversight.

[@CapitalismSuxx]

Boeing 737-MAX

[@TreCayUltimateLife]

Fake.

[@concordsst]

The GM ignition recall, they KNEW it would kill people and didn't disclose it until they were forced to

[@goooooooooober]

yep. the pinto was practically engineered to be a death trap in order to make more money. definitely do not trust that a company values their customer more than their money

[@Generic_Name_1-1]

​@@CapitalismSuxxperfect modern example. If you let them do it, they will.

[@oafkad]

I do think there is a small bit of circular logic between business and government. All businesses eventually become governments once they get large enough. You end up with company towns, company stores, etc. The former will always be working against your best interest, the latter "could" work for your interests. But in order to keep both under control you can't be passive. Which is the part I think that annoys most people. They are too busy to be actively involved in either domain.

[@celerywarrior6493]

You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt. Saint Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go. I owe my soul to the company store.

[@shraka]

Governments are only 'better' than companies in that you ostensibly have some personal oversight of them. The less transparent your government is, the less they have to listen to the will of the people, the less effective your democracy, the more it acts like a company with complete control over your life. I think the inverse is true too though - you can make a company a functioning democracy which sort of solves most of the problems with them.

[@Swolidarity]

There is absolutely no circumstance where a business genuinely works for your interests. They always work and prioritize profit above all else because that’s how they survive. You’ll never see a business sacrifice profit and go into a net deficit for morals

[@doryfishie2]

@@Swolidarity No sht. A business has no reason to exist if it was perpetually in a net deficit. That's either a failed business or a non-profit. It still requires funding to even function. A business doesn't have to go in a net deficit "for morals". Obviously all or nothing doesn't work, it's f-ing dumb in the first place. It can still produce decent enough quality product and still at least break even.

[@workingguy-OU812]

I was body building, natty, in the 1990's, and I got big. I don't know what they put in the powders and growth hormone assistance, but I miss those days.

[@robertt9342]

Odd definition of natty.

[@workingguy-OU812]

@@robertt9342 LOL. It was natty for then - we didn't know what we were actually buying.

[@based8223]

Growth hormone assistance....natty....retard

[@c450-v2b]

I suppose 6666 means he didn't outright inject testosterone. still, growth hormone assistance?

[@plwadodveeefdv]

​@@robertt9342natty means they didn't catch you taking anything

[@hamuArt]

If a company goes bankrupt, the owner is guaranteed not to start a new company for 3 years in my country. It's precisely because of shady business practices like this that it was put into law. In the construction industry, a lot of money has been stolen from investors in this way by scammers with bankrupt companies.

[@josho.9530]

So many supplements don't even have the actual ingredients. When I manufactured supps, the shit I found about companies from insiders was ridiculous.

[@jarrod1687]

Can you share details?

[@josho.9530]

​@@jarrod1687 I have no shame in calling out companies by name, so DNA Anabolics is one. I remember speaking to some guys who dealt with the owner and they flat out said "Most of the shit on the label isn't even in the products, most of it's filler." Most of these "underground, hardcore" companies are, like they said, pretty much putting meth analogues in there, along with insane amounts of caffeine, everything else tends to be underdosed despite what's on the label. If you check the label of most protein powders, why are there 50 ingredients, instead of just whey? Hmmm... So you're paying for a science experiment, not whey. There are clean brands out there that are just pure protein and maybe some flow agents and a flavor. All I use is bulksupps iso whey, for example. I flavor with Mio or cocoa powder, stuff like that. Most companies lie through their teeth and when you expose them, they send their cronies after you, like Jim Stoppani did when I started calling out companies back in 2015. I highly recommend using Labdoor to verify what you're buying, also subbing to ConsumerLabs is great.

[@josho.9530]

@@jarrod1687 I have no shame in calling out companies by name, so DNA Anabolics is one. I remember speaking to some guys who dealt with the owner and they flat out said "Most of the shit on the label isn't even in the products, most of it's filler." Most of these "underground, hardcore" companies are, like they said, pretty much putting meth analogues in there, along with insane amounts of caffeine, everything else tends to be underdosed despite what's on the label. If you check the label of most protein powders, why are there 50 ingredients, instead of just whey? Hmmm... So you're paying for a science experiment, not whey. There are clean brands out there that are just pure protein and maybe some flow agents and a flavor. All I use is bulksupps iso whey, for example. I flavor with Mio or cocoa powder, stuff like that. Most companies lie through their teeth and when you expose them, they send their cronies after you, like Jim Stoppani did when I started calling out companies back in 2015.

[@josho.9530]

@@jarrod1687 I wrote a big ass reply and it refused to post 2 times. Go figure, YT and it's BS.

[@josho.9530]

@@jarrod1687 Because YT is an asshole, I'm gonna write separate replies so I don't get screwed again: I've got no shame naming names, so DNA Anabolics is one company. 90% of what they claim is on the label isn't even in product. When I was in business, I met some guys who worked with them and ended up distancing themselves from the CEO and his shady bull. They told me verbatim: "Dusty is a lying MF and most of his products are straight filler, he owes us and others money too."

[@BuckFieri]

I miss 1,3 DMAA. That stuff made me feel like I could run through walls.

[@CharbelFak]

i’m in melbourne australia and still get my hands on it. some websites ship it and change the ingredient label so it can get through customs

[@mattmurphy7030]

@@CharbelFakwhich websites tho? So I can avoid them

[@mattb4251]

"The Sun's a f*cking nuclear bomb so who gives a sh!t?" Put that on an RP shirt!

[@theparadisesnare]

It’s generally my outlook on life tbh

[@mjhickson4339]

Lol we’re all gonna die !!! -eventually.

[@mn8os]

Nothing matters

[@Airixsas]

I'd buy that shirt

[@NoLimitsNatty]

Excellent information. Anyone serious about health & gains must know. Thank you.

[@ThomasAT86]

Fantastic information Eric, thanks! Also appreciate the scientific type of language being used. I already planned on dramatically reducing my supplement intake and this gives me additional arguments that it's likely the right decision. Got into the "longevity" stuff a bit too much, and I'm also suffering from severe chronic health issues (CFS), so I got kinda desperate, but wanna go back to a more sane and safe approach.

[@falsificationism]

This was incredibly enlightening!

[@lazur1]

The company's history often doesn't matter: A few companies that used to use 'Creapure' creatine have gone generic. Always check; things change every month.

[@Colyers]

Damn I used to watch 3DMJ channel like 10+ years ago. Those guys are GOAT'd.

[@BradSchoenfailed]

Way, way better than RP.

[@Montagic]

Legit two of the best figures in this field, would love to see more 3DMJ collabs!

[@therepairsloth]

Looking forward to learning about supplements in this! I'm taking protein, BCAA, and creatine, and that's it. Trying to keep my blood pressure lower, so I don't take pre-workout. So, I'll be paying attention.

[@Ryan30z]

You could probably ditch the bcaas mate, they dont really do anything. Even if they did work, if you're getting enough protein it would make them redundant. If you're trying to lower your blood pressure you could look into citrulline. I don't remember off the top of my head what the current consensus is for blood pressure though.

[@DILFDylF]

niacin lowers bp too

[@Vincent_Beers]

Even if you wanted to supplement amino acids, use EAA, they include a wider range and usually all the BCAA as well. BCAA by itself doesn't do anything, you need the essentials.

[@Red88Rex]

If you take a scoop of whey daily they include 5g BCAA which is all the extra you should need. Like the other comments said it’s a waste of money.

[@JoeAuerbach]

The only time I ever had a panic attack was when I took a weight loss supplement. I didn't know any better at the time but it was basically speed and it left me gasping in a corner. It was a very strange feeling.

[@SaiyanStrength]

Select your supplements wisely. I work in staffing for Pharmaceutical Manufacturing and you would be surprised how similar it is to the supplement industry and the sketchy practices they implement. I can't imagine what companies get away with in an unregulated market.

[@goldenhate6649]

They could probably sell something that is straight filler and no active ingredient and people would still buy it because 'trust the packaging'

[@BaconManBruh]

You can imagine, let me help. Imagine a sweatshop for supplements, that's it and you are very welcome. If you feel some sort of rage building up think of it as a price for digging too deep.

[@EnFuego79]

If you study basic Austrian econ 101 you quickly learn that there is no such thing as an "unregulated" market. In pure, functional, un-gov't molested markets, private 3rd parties evaluate the quality of products far better than politically motivated bureaucracies do. The plethora of said companies are all checks and balances on one another. The way you get the situation described in this video is gov't intervention which always compromises quality and integrity for political manipulation and gain. Whenever something is not functioning properly the breadcrumbs always lead back to gov't doubling down on a mistake it made to try and cover up the fact that it is logically incapable of fulfilling it's stated mandate.

[@plwadodveeefdv]

​@@EnFuego79once you get to econ 102 you learn a little bit more 😂

[@eccentric363]

Excellent video. Thank you Dr Mike and Eric Helms.

[@leodegas7731]

I looked at descriptions and couldn't find a link to paper or study. Why not make the information easy to find? Please make information available. Please.

[@Flowreac]

What an exciting collaboration and interesting issue. I’d absolutely love to see training session of these two together! 🔥🤞🏻

[@kingyeti6336]

My favorite preworkout was also Mike Mentzers. I’ll take the banned stimulants in my preworkout

[@donovanmcmahon3208]

Mikey meth

[@Lil_fang866]

this 100%

[@Tryc3]

Oh my god, that’s disgusting! Tainted supplements online!? Where!? Where did he find those??

[@WiecznieNieNasycony]

all Contaminated by Trenbolon dont take it)

[@aunty-noble-natty]

100% tren is inside)

[@grizzly_bear_A]

T.R.E..N

[@BJAnkerus]

Tren? realy?

[@rokisoree]

what supplement? names?

[@anthonys7311]

You dont want your tren getting contaminated with pre-workouts.

[@limitisillusion7]

Regarding the government vs free-market debate, here's the thing... If the majority of consumers don't care, then the consumers are not going to elect politicians that care either. So in a sense, the average quality of government oversight will reflect the average quality of free-market oversight, and that oversight is dependent on the how much the _average_ consumer cares. The 10% of people that do demand quality checks will purchase the brands that do them consistently, and those people are likely the same ones voting for politicians that care about quality oversight (assuming that's their priority in the voting booth). Otherwise, those consumers who demand quality checks will prioritize other things when voting and keep on buying the higher quality, third-party tested supplements. Bottom line, we like to compartmentalize the market, government, and consumers, but they're really all just people. The average quality of government and free-market institutions reflects the average human. If you want to improve the entire market and government, you have to educate people _and_ make them care... And that is a whole different conversation.

[@FilmFlam-8008]

Tier 0: Water. Most people aren’t drinking enough.

[@Ryan30z]

Or fucking sleep. So many people get into the cycle of needing to smash caffeine because they barely slept, snd theu barely slept because they've been smashing caffeine.

[@andre.shaw91]

Back in the day when supplements actually worked … now just a million brands selling the same shit which hardly does anything

[@karahbetten5261]

The fact that supplements, vitamins, anything edible ISNT regulated by the fda is absolutely absurd

[@popdanish4969]

don't tell mike that! it's probly the governments fault for too many regulations!

[@Vincent_Beers]

They are regulated by the FDA. FDA = Food & Drug regulations. Everything edible is regulated. What you misunderstood is the classification. Food regulations are not as strict as drug regulations. So, they are regulated, but by the food guidelines, because they aren't drugs. Too much food is distributed for all of it to be tested all the time. There's no way to do it without food costs being several dollars per bite of food. Imagine every spoonful of food costing as much as a single drug-pill serving. Foods have published regulations, but the FDA only inspects if there's been a complaint. Food companies are expected to follow the rules by default. Drug companies have stricter controls and testing, but look at the extra costs involved with bringing a medicine to market. Most supplements are just highly processed foods. Expecting the FDA to test every bottle of whey protein would be like asking for your milk to cost $50.00 a gallon and be treated like a prescription drug.

[@goldenhate6649]

@@Vincent_Beers No, there are entire lines of supplements that are sold that are not reported to the FDA, nor have they undergone FDA certification. This is really, really common unfortunately. You'd be shocked how many foods, especially stuff like pet food, that is non-compliant or straight up dangerous for your pet. Supplements are very much the same, there is ZERO guarantee with a lot of brands that the label is accurate. As for the FDA being completely incompetent, yes that much is true. It is the most underfunded federal agency by a metric mile.

[@loak3d]

how so? fda wants to k33p ppl sick

[@davidec.4021]

Yup. Crazy that they don’t test shit like that. There’s big holes unfortunately in that system, so yeah an eye of caution about what you consume (food included) is paramount

[@Bawlsey]

That high contrast camera makes it seem like you are not in the same room. :D Additionally I only evaluate my supplements by Seamen taste or sailor pictures.

[@zOMGeoAnti]

Its in topics like this that the libertanian mind of Dr. Mike just makes him look silly.

[@MdSteel7]

Great video. Thank you guys (Professors) 💪🏻🏋🏻‍♂️

[@enmorot]

Great and important discussion! Although Mike's "government always bad, big corporations always good" attitude gets rather tiresome. Really nice to see Eric though, he's such a great guy!

[@Vincent_Beers]

That's not what he said at all. He just said he was tired of the more extreme paranoid rhetoric regarding that topic. The paranoid idiots who think all corporations are bad are tiresome, they can't stop to differentiate between the good and the bad. If you didn't get that, you missed the entire point.

[@enmorot]

@@Vincent_Beers Yes, you are correct that he did point that out. But that's not the only thing he alluded to. As many commenters have pointed out, Mike has a strong belief in the market regulating itself. He does not want the government to step in and fix things (apart from a few instances). Not only has he stated this himself elsewhere, but it's prevalent in this video too if you think about it. He over and over again, both in this video and other videos, wants to let companies off the hook and shift the blame to the consumers, and point out that the government is "much worse". He does this in the beginning for example. At about 8:50, Eric suggests government regulation to fix the problem, and Mike is then very eager to point out other solutions that put the responsibility on the customers and tries to argue that regulations are not needed since the market will take care of itself. At 15:15 he explicitly says that the root of the problem is the customers, not what the companies do. I could go on, but I think you get the idea. In short, yes, you are correct, that is something he says. I just didn't mention it in my comment (why would I?). However, you seem to have missed what I am pointing out entirely for some reason. Maybe you should think about why that is?

[@Baxtyr]

Dr. Mike leaning heavy into the Goblin Lord look I see

[@5dollarshake263]

Protein, creatine, and Finaplix livestock pellets to make trenbolone acetate are the only supplements that work.

[@jahmanborneo1343]

I can remember several products I used when in the Army that were suddenly yanked off the shelves. Metaform Heat (that stuff was a lethal preworkout) and Andro w/Tribulus. Those two come to mind

[@gregorydemarco2835]

so what are the "top 5" supplements to stick to that you guys mentioned?

[@BradSchoenfailed]

Multivitamin, creatine, fish oil, beta alanine, caffeine.

[@xdonnix]

Johnny Harris has a great video about the wild west of the supplement industry in the US.

[@MaximoToro]

Shots fired at Qanon & Alex Jones 😂😂

[@mediaisthevirus]

Oy vey

[@FlightTime01]

I’m here all day for this collab

[@benjoleo]

you didn't link the article in the description

[@shiekbloco]

Mike snuck in a tiny little "Whooo" after he said 'America'😂 This channel can't be stopped.

[@redtiger7268]

Shout out to all my fellow workout bros that remember taking Jacked3D

[@w26gt]

I used to work for a major supplement company. I could tell you some stories of just how bad the industry is.

[@caddockowe]

🧐... Go on

[@w26gt]

I don’t have all day, because it would literally take hours to go over how scummy the industry is. Just watching the video though shows me even how naïve this guy is though. Licensed products don’t mean a thing, companies will buy some of the ingredients from the company so they can use it on their label and then just use cheaper products of fillers. Also, 3rd party lab testing is very dicey, and for the most part can’t be trusted. Look up “dry labs”, the results you want are just purchased. The company I worked for had their own lab, they had 2 sets of books, one with the real results and one with the actual. The company would do all the same shady things others do to get protein count up etc like adding creatine because it makes it look like there’s more protein in the product than their actually is. The company I worked for was also certified GMP mind you, it’s a joke. He should have gone into more detail about the origin of ingredients. For instance a certain BCAA comes from bird feathers. Yeah, imagine the quality control/cleanliness in India of that whole process going down. Gross.

[@duke605]

Why is the supplements industry not FDA regulated yet? Come tf on

[@KevinJDildonik]

To be fair. Because the FDA is a red tape nightmare. Both underfunded, and too large and slow to do anything anyway. They literally cannot take this on. It needs to happen. But who's going to do it?

[@lawngnome777]

the FDA lmfao the most lobbied institution in america. come the F on bro

[@andrewpascal6096]

Orrin hatch

[@duke605]

@@lawngnome777 stop voting in corrupt fucks. Come the F on bro

[@jenniferhoward1972]

FDA is corrupt. Consumers should and in many cases can control what the market provides. We just have to educate ourselves and stop letting ourselves be spoon fed. IMHO of course.

[@thundersleycleaningco.6621]

I’ve never taken a pre workout, there seems to be a direct correlation to those who take them and HAVE to tell you they have , closely followed by an ineffective workout that does jack. I also gave up protein shakes as more and more ingredients keep get added, I just eat more food sources , it’s hard work but works well for me.

[@jarrod1687]

Yeah, banana and a coffee is more effective anyway

[@JoeMazzolaTheFirstPersonCook]

Me every morning 😅 yeah I have a protein shake when cutting, otherwise its not worth it to me as a (now) purely recreational athlete to spend the money when I can just have food

[@coreydw1]

Cannot count the number of people i have met that take ED meds for gym benefits.

[@Madchris8828]

Certain influencers on here have done several videos on that and the benefits of it for working out. Its dumb as hell.

[@Gchildwarrior]

"If I want to train hard, I must be hard!"

[@flesh_blanket]

Yessss finally my 2 fav muscle youtubers met! 3dmj and RP!!❤

[@jakubvantroba]

Dr Mike, please enable background play for member videos. I have KZbin Premium and am a RP member but can't play in background. Thank you for the video. Love the channel.

[@KyleDayne]

As far as I'm aware, this is a KZbin decision not the channels.

[@gloriousapplebees]

Yes this is a KZbin decision. I send feedback to youtube weekly letting them know that this is a highly desired feature. Please join me in doing so and maybe they'll listen to those of us literally paying for this service.

[@benjaminfrohns]

It works for me. Android phone with KZbin premium.

[@C4PTAINinsano]

You could use within "brave" browser

[@andrewfriedrichs9340]

Seeing someone else react to Dr Mike's jokes is gold

[@SleepWalker88]

Protein powders are just another protein source. Their amino acid profile is perfect and they’re so easy to drink down. Like, compared to scarfing down a huge chunk of steak or chicken, guzzling a protein shake is so easy and gets you the same amount of protein.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

It's a pretty affordable protein source as well, dollar per gram-wise. Beef is getting to be darn near unaffordable these days, chicken seems doubled in price, and even pork is going up. Don't even get me started on the price of eggs, goodNESS.

[@celerywarrior6493]

When did (curds &) whey become a supplement & not a food? ~ Little Miss Muffet

[@bllrmbltzz]

Oh nooo that's crazy! So what supplements should I "avoid" that has gear in it 👀👀👀 asking for a friend.

[@EyebelieveTheNarrative]

This is why I stick to ovaltine

[@JegErAlan]

Really appreciate this discussion. Thank you.

[@hanu9830]

mike "corporate fraud isnt a real problem except in this one case that i happened to look into" israetel

[@enmorot]

Mike "government bad, big corporations good because I say so" Israetel

[@enmorot]

Mike "government bad, big corporations good because I say so" Israetel

[@enmorot]

Mike "big companies are always good because I say so" Israetel

[@Madchris8828]

And big gov is better? We have to be real careful what we are asking for here

[@enmorot]

@@Madchris8828 Not necessarily. But a democratically elected government, that isn't closely tied to the interests of big companies and actually acts in the interest of the people, is definitely better. That's where a large part of the problem lies in the US. Also, essentially having two options is really the bare minimum of calling something a democracy.

[@ksc6000]

I’m so tired of this corporation good, government bad - or vice versa. There’s a thing called incentives, that’s what it comes down to. I don’t understand how Mike can be so knowledgeable in his own arena and have such an econ 101 understanding. His supposition that a company wants to do the right thing because they want to stay in business is so 1800s, and hilarious gave an example from the auto industry that’s famous for doing the math to determine if x number of people die, then we can handle that in the budget - type of analysis.

[@Handles_AreStupid]

"The sun's a f%cking nuclear bomb and who gives a sh%t" Anyone else want mike to do an astrophysics series?

[@Generic_Name_1-1]

I'd like him to stick to his area of knowledge thanks

[@Handles_AreStupid]

@@Generic_Name_1-1/S

[@thomasbatters]

We definitely need people naming names (both good and bad) of companies who have tainted products though I understand the associated liability. Any company that allowed for more than one instance of taint (or one egregious/intentional instance vs. a supplier issue) should be blacklisted entirely by anyone who cares about their health and, when the individuals responsible open a new company to hide it, calling it out. Only way to truly chase this practice out of the industry and we need people in the industry to help do that.

[@Brakus14]

Dr. Mike’s forearm looks like a juiced up turkey leg 🍗

[@matthewhavrilla7573]

Dr. Eric and Dr. Mike in the same video?! Like button SMASHED

[@justint4049]

Bro thinks private corporations are going to put people’s health and safety first before government regulators will 🤣😂 good luck with that Mike. They’d melt their costumers if it makes them a dime more than not.

[@enmorot]

Mike "government bad, big corporations good because I say so" Israetel

[@JackTheRabbitMusic]

I can only say one thing: Pfizer 😂

[@enmorot]

For sure. It's not that hard to figure out that when it's all about making money, everything else comes second (at best).

[@cullenn2100]

yeah that caveat at the beginning was pretty ridic

[@jakubchrobry3701]

I didn't know Mike was a "Defund the Police" guy. Defunding the police has been going on since Reagan; it's call de-regulation. I'm guessing living/working in the Bronx, he still wants police to keep poor people in check, but no police for rich people. No regulators, no FBI investigating white collar crime, and no tax auditors making sure the rich pay their taxes ($150 billion in fraud for 2023), no FDA, not EPA, etc. I guess Mike is not joking when he talks about his Lamborghinis and helicopters - he really fantasizes about owning these items. Sad.

[@michaelblacktree]

Interesting discussion. Now I'll be looking for the GMP logo, when I buy supplements.

[@arlocartledge5095]

I think I speak for most of us when I say we need a exact product list so we can “make sure to stay away” from the contaminated products…

[@Esco-lq4rb]

I recently started listening to Dr. Mike, so maybe he talked about it but how is he a professor in New York, has a gym in Michigan but trains a lot in Vegas.

[@stephend50]

Mike, have you heard of the Pinto? It would literally explode and Ford knew

[@greebp4]

Can you please do a video on these "excited your nervous system" "exercises"

[@AlexLifts1971]

True story, caffeine, creatine, and protein powder are all I need. I use generic caffeine pills. I think caffeine is the best enhancer. I swear my gains went up when I started caffeine.

[@joe1071]

You also get all your chores done after supplementing caffeine

[@KevinJDildonik]

Caffeine is literally the second most documented and studied supplement on the market. After creatine. Because so many high school coaches put kids on creatine decades ago.

[@AlexLifts1971]

@@joe1071 Yeah I forgot to mention that. Many days in the summer after the gym, I go home and do yard work for another 2 hours fasting on caffeine only. It's pretty powerful.

[@AlexLifts1971]

@@KevinJDildonik Yeah and in my case, I use generic 200mg caffeine tablets and they cost pennies. I used to use expensive pre-workouts but when I started fasting most of them broke a fast so I sought out just the pure pills. It costs pennies now and is as effective.

[@junoleigh6302]

As someone who has congenital issues with my absorption, even my doctors prefer to write me a prescription of whatever supplement I need, because the over-the-counter industry is just too risky. You really don't know what you're getting unless they're GMP certified or third party tested.

[@riesenhummer]

Switch out Protein powder for tren??? Switch out protein powder for tren 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@brianallison217]

I remember in the late 90s/early 00s, multiple NFL players tested positive for PEDs and blamed tainted supplements. I rolled my eyes and now, mea culpa.

[@ULTRAOutdoorsman]

"Anti-corporate propaganda" like Leninism or something? This is America in the 21st century, Mike. We're teetering on the brink of a dark age due to the missteps of industrialism.

[@shraka]

Industrialism? Do you mean capitalism?

[@RocneKS]

6:47 great reaction Dr. Mike!

[@popdanish4969]

"anti-corporate" propaganda isn't real mike...to believe this u have to view the world in some "business vs government" dichotomy and that is absolutely idiotic

[@ramen2791]

yeah i wish this guy would just stick to what he is actually good at and not try to be divisive

[@goldenhate6649]

If you actually knew how little of what you ingest is actually inspected for health and safety, you wouldn't want to eat. The FDA relies heavily on states to do their inspections. For perspective, my state has about 7 inspectors for all the pet food manufacturing in the state. To say they maybe get 10 to 20% of the pet food manufacturers is probably accurate. That, and there is almost zero authority for the state to penalize illegal sales. The states food safety isn't in a much better state either...

[@shane_rm1025]

Propaganda is just political advertising, so yes anti-corporate propaganda absolutely exists. You might agree with the message of said propaganda, but that doesn't make it not propaganda.

[@popdanish4969]

@@goldenhate6649 i'm not sure what ur getting at. i'm not saying that the FDA is great at what they do, but acting like less regulations is going to help, or that corporations could do a better job than the FDA is silly.

[@popdanish4969]

@@shane_rm1025 who is propagating anti-corporate sentiments? it's surely not the government. is it ppl with 0 say or power like u and me? is it other corporations? u act like big corporations aren't intertwined with the government in such a way that blurs the lines between the two. u r being governed by corporations. owners of these corporations own all the capital and hold all the power. people objecting to and questioning this fact are not propagating anything.

[@leelunk8235]

PREWORKOUT SHOULD BE FILTERED WATER. POST WORKOUT SHOULD BE A GOOD MEAL

[@TheInnerCastle]

Bruh. It's 2024 and this guy still thinks conspiracy theories is a conspiracy!!! Wake up big man the world is one fire

[@stevenhenry5267]

No

[@ManusPeperzak]

Or maybe we have rules in place, just like we have car safety rules, that regulate supplement companies to be transparent what substances are in the products they sell. People don't look at car death statistics to decide which car to buy, we collectively assume all companies have to abide by certain set standards.