"YOUR WELCOME" Ep. 018 - On the Right - Hans-Hermann Hoppe

[@davidturoff8017]

I love the idea of ostracizing communists so they gather together into their own communities where they could cancel each other for wrongthink and eventually starve themselves into agorism like the pilgrims did

[@overman2306]

They know their communes fail. They want just want to be the ones in charge. Inside every communist is a marxist-leninist just waiting to get out.

[@user-wl2xl5hm7k]

Or just agree not to have prisons to jail one another. No starvation needed! Lol

[@itzoma]

The only way Tom can 1-up this is if he resurrects Rothbard.

[@nikolasfossmark8615]

I would love for that to happen. Imagine them dismantling the government together, and Hoppe writing a sequel to Democracy when society has become free. Democracy: The god that fell

[@Pdrum2]

Imagine Rothbard on Tom Woods show

[@1983Bantam]

Tom believes in superstitious bullshit maybe he can pray to Mary for a miracle

[@itzoma]

Sounds like a great idea. Now I must make an Rothbard resurrected like Jesus cartoon strip. Tom can be an apostle. Probably a cool one.

[@ProlificThreadworm]

For the 2000 episode special, surely!

[@user-wl2xl5hm7k]

This is awesome you interviewed such a legend in intellectual libertarianism. Respect, Mr. Malice.

[@rebby11]

LOL...Hoppe takes a phone call during the interview...total ball-swinging move.

[@JD-os2kr]

When you say "ball-swinging", are you talking about a wrecking ball or a nutsack?

[@BboyKeny]

@@JD-os2kr I imagine both

[@RabbitConfirmed]

"Ich mach gerade ein Interview" haha

[@anunnakipropaganda9991]

Every Brooklyn apartment has the: Puerto Rican welfare recipients Gay couple Hans Hermann Hoppe

[@ggperez4243]

I revisit this comment twice a week, makes me happy everytime

[@chesscomsupport8689]

Walk-in lover of Puerto Rican mother

[@connoisseurofcookies2047]

The cranky German in the basement 🤗

[@lukebaker5135]

Based Department has arrived

[@trevorrobbins110]

Mr. Hoppe, you are a personal hero of mine.

[@RabbitConfirmed]

Same, I love this man. I swear we need to protect him at all costs! I really plan to help libertarianism here in Switzerland and I hope I can meet Hoppe one day. He is just the very best human being. :D *so to speak

[@ThePholosopher]

hahaha, wow Michael Malice, Hans Hoppe seemed so comfortable with you. Love the format and flow of your interviews!

[@Technoguy3]

The story about being taken to the affirmative action commiesar made me love Hoppe even more.

[@stephanpeterthree]

That's impossible. I cannot believe what I am seeing. Take that Tom Woods ;)

[@michalzakrzewski5898]

Come to think of it tom was never invited to Bodrum. A sellout?

[@ProlificThreadworm]

'is that degenerate?' Cheeky Michael!

[@johnisaacdavey]

yeah, it was sort of passed over, but that one made me laugh too.

[@davidgcavada]

By hans definition, yes.

[@polycentricvoluntarist8940]

Hans Hoppe the only true libertarian that anyone should be listening to! thanks for all that you have done and continue to do!

[@Snooppfrogg]

I finally get to watch :)

[@OdditiesandRarities]

so Im not the only one who's been looking for this interview but not been able to find it until just now?

[@lilianalolasana410]

That was epic. He is a treasure. What a guy!

[@itwontdie]

Thank you for making this public again!

[@MortonSeinfeld]

I want to hear more about his drunken Puerto Rican neighbours.

[@GrimrDirge]

They sound like they know how to party

[@andrewlaco1776]

Would've been hilarious if it was Luis J. Gomez's family.

[@libertarianrevolution7026]

Hans-Hermann Hoppe is one of the greatest libertarian scholars/philosophers of all time. Those who demonize him either a) do not understand him, or b) are just upset because he exposes the flaws in the BS that they spew.

[@96alexandermorgan]

Libertarian Revolution I have see the holes in his logic

[@libertarianrevolution7026]

Then post what you think they are and get a debate going.

[@jonathanthethird52]

@@libertarianrevolution7026 I've just gotten into Curt Dolittle. Check his Propertarian institute out, a reform of Libertarianism.

[@libertarianrevolution7026]

Anyone reading this who has not done so, should check out The Property and Freedom Society, stared by Hans-Hermann Hoppe. Here's the link: propertyandfreedom.org/ .

[@libertarianrevolution7026]

Check out the KZbin video page for The Property and Freedom Society: kzbin.info/door/NHAsCPp3tfbV3O3t7RxYMA .

[@dustinseth1]

Into the mic Hans!

[@1983Bantam]

His mouth was physically removed from the mic

[@DNATS]

Never smashed the like button so hard.

[@polycentricvoluntarist8940]

Hans Hoppe the only true libertarian that anyone should be listening to!

[@austroasian4123]

Woah woah woah... why was this gem hiding?

[@neeltheother2342]

The back catalogue was a sub exclusive for a while. How it is open.

[@theroh1552]

P H Y S I C A L R E M O V A L

[@theroh1552]

Gee Willickers It's not thought crime because Commies aren't people and aren't capable of thoughts.

[@polycentricvoluntarist8940]

crush the anti fascist mob

[@nikolasfossmark8615]

@@noyb154 threatening people or their property is everywhere considered the exception to free speech. Wanting a commie state is threatening property.

[@polycentricvoluntarist8940]

that's why commies must be physicaly removed

[@andrewlaco1776]

Free rides, one way, all day, every day, yay! 🚁🚁🚁🚁🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊

[@trucid2]

There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and removed from society.

[@zombiedude347]

Bring in the one-way helicopter rides.

[@mixter1023]

Get to the Choppa!

[@siege919]

Libertarians are just democrats who claim to want less government.

[@quietlike]

@@siege919 thats an oxymoron. Democrats always want more govt. So how can you do both? Funny the left calls libs right wing, and the right call libs left wing. As usual both are wrong and dont understand

[@paranoidmonke]

so to speak

[@lanc2776]

Here after all the Your Welcome episodes are unlocked!!!

[@familydog]

Hurray! Thanks Michael!

[@OdditiesandRarities]

Oh my gosh, I've been looking for this interview for years!

[@thundaga4005]

This was altogether unexpected. Hoppe interviews are super rare. The last official one I remember was the one by Jeffrey Cucker.

[@nichtsistkostenlos6565]

Bear Arms since I'm not sure whether you're trolling or not, I'll just point out for other people's sake that his name is actually Jeffrey Tucker. He's just a bit controversial in the ancap and minarchist circles where many people think he kowtows to the left especially after his somewhat shrill reaction to Donald Trump's election.

[@Nitsugalego]

Nichtsistkostenlos Except he constantly bashes the left

[@Brad-Harris]

Eat your heart out Woods! ;)

[@nichtsistkostenlos6565]

Nitsugalego I agree with you, I'm not saying that's my opinion, I'm saying that's the perception.

[@s0lid_sno0ks]

Tucker is bae and so is Hoppe. idgaf

[@templarknight2281]

Why haven't I ever seen this?? I love Hoppe & i love Malice. Amazing video

[@wenshu888]

I'm so happy I found this. My respect for both you has become even greater.

[@crazando]

Hoppe is so wholesome

[@JamesTheLiberated]

very based

[@crazando]

@@JamesTheLiberated I know you from discord lol

[@elgrandojabro1889]

"Is a hot dog a sandwich" Hoppe: no

[@putinstea]

ez ist a german dog

[@Freefolkcreate]

Hoppe is such a bright light. It's wierd that reclusive people get a bad rap. Introverts can't deal with nonsense and that's not a bad thing.

[@jaymatthews9324]

What a legend

[@MeshFrequency]

@ 42:12 Did anyone catch what he said about the hot dog?

[@Austriangeek1]

I love how he just randomly picks up his cellphone 😂

[@carpediemjonah8110]

Thanks Michael. Your questions drew out his personality. You are both libertarian treasures.

[@11deanski33]

Finally. Thanks Malice.

[@benrichterphilosophie]

Please interview him again.

[@joshrj7]

What a great interview, and what a great joy to find your channel! A diamond among shock full of coals. Continued success!

[@tpipkin21]

“...former Catholic priest who had since turned into a Homosexual rights activist...” Malice comment - “Is that degenerate?” Well done Mr. Malice

[@chubbyAI]

This is wonderful! 💝

[@DHRGrafix]

Fabulous interview. Thank you Michael Malice. HHH can come across as cold and uncaring in his speeches. This interview has me seeing him as a humorous guy that goes through struggles like all of us do.

[@thechapelperilous]

Hippa to the Hoppe and you just dont stoppa.

[@ChrisAthanas]

Oof audio 17:24 problems

[@theflyingdutchman2542]

Thank you for my welcome.

[@maverikmiller6746]

4:38 Heshi Socks. Got it. Gonna buy 10 of them if I ever have the chance.

[@radiozelaza]

I will try to enhance the intelligibility of the audio, because it was sorta cringy to listen to poor Hans mishandling the mic. Anyway, I wish Hans would elaborate more in the Rand topic, e.g. her misinterpretation of Kant as Hoppe is greatly influenced by Kant. Or perhaps it's just beneath him to kick the fallen...

[@radiozelaza]

somebody send it to Michael. it's volume-levelled and denoised but still Hans seems a bit quiet at times... drive.google.com/open?id=1ibPs8m3hIDVFZM4s4pFvgdKY6nmAg2QP

[@radiozelaza]

Ayn Rand is a novelist, not surprising she is outselling a niche libertarian philosopher. And no, Kant does not undermine knowledge - on the contrary, and does not save God from Enlightenment - on the contrary. He demonstrates that reason has a purpose - to integrate information from the senses about objective reality, not about metaphysical. Nothing can be said about metaphysical or supernatural by the way of reason and senses. Kant is a hammer against postmodernism. True intellectuals like Jordan Peterson precisely know this. Intellectual cranks like Objectivists don't.

[@justink4060]

Radio Żelaza LOL Jordan Petersen isn’t a true intellectual

[@johbowfor]

Amazing. Thank you so much.

[@jappiejojo777]

Great interview, but why focus on ancient racist/homophobe stuff, which was always a big bull of nonsense? I'd be more interested in his opinions on privacy, bitcoin, Trump, Euro-populism, mass immigration and Russia. Some parts were very interesting though, job well done Michael Malice. Thank you!

[@xXMatheusSSZXx]

You're right. I'd love to hear his opinions on those topics, specially Bitcoin.

[@AT-ck1tl]

Is this real life?

[@polycentricvoluntarist8940]

the man the myth the legend it's real!

[@charty_char]

The 10 Commandments are just an outline. The Bible says the punishment for false witness is the punishment that would've been done to the accused.

[@AGoat1971]

What is Roger Ebert doing in the thumbnail?

[@kewlbeone5949]

Most unappreciated person on the planet (Hoppe).

[@maxcranley9026]

Your audio is mixed at least 6db too low Michael. Great job on the interview.

[@antfinn5003]

It does exist

[@kanalarchis]

HHH explained (again) that by "physical removal" he means shunning, excommunicating, not murdering or violently exiling. Too bad for his alt-right fan boys. Besides that, it makes me sad that he considers argumentation ethics as his crowning achievement. It's, at worst, logically incorrect and, at best, impotent. I think his refreshing criticism of Democracy is worth more than argumentation ethics. I'm happy to hear him admitting that it can be improved, at least.

[@kanalarchis]

Gee Willickers Sure you can! Just don't sell them water, and convince enough others to do the same. That's not murder, it's denial of a voluntary service. Let them dig their own wells, make their own food and clothing, build their own roads, and generally survive when many/most/all people refuse to trade with them. That's how excommunication happens without violating the NAP.

[@radiozelaza]

too bad for his Tom Palmer-like enemies, too.

[@kanalarchis]

Radio Żelaza Agreed! Of course.

[@heavylobster4339]

I mean you do have to use physical force to remove these people from society as they have neither respect for private property rights or standards of common decency. It might be closer to nightclub bouncer levels of force as opposed to Pinochet, but either way the point is they need to be somewhere they can't bother normal people.

[@quietlike]

@@noyb154 you can when you have private property, no public property.

[@balkanicsense1952]

12:45

[@JM-co6rf]

I'm black pilled on hot dogs now.

[@metalwright]

Who is that quote in the intro from?

[@isaacruiz3991]

I believe it's Noam Chomsky.

[@esquizofreniasobrenatural]

13:55 to liquidzulu

[@RepublicConstitution]

Why has he not been on Tom Woods show??

[@moden321]

We've had first HHH interview hour, yes, but what about second HHH interview hour?

[@kensington1199]

Afternoon Hoppe?

[@ScottishLibertyPodcast]

I didn't get the joke :(

[@nicedream92]

I’m more of a “live and let live” guy myself

[@Deathrune14]

HYPE TRAIN INBOUND

[@brianv1981]

1:57

[@lilianalolasana410]

That was great

[@iga279]

Pity about the low sound volume on several occasions, like the answer to the question is a hot dog a sandwich ....., did he say hot dog is a german dog ?

[@burndly]

33:27 it's the based department calling

[@selbstbestimmt]

Double M and Triple H making nWo great again.

[@sirmount2636]

Disappointed with his idea that we have to bully people who don’t agree with us into exile. That’s a great way to create militants and only strengthen their ideas.

[@ProlificThreadworm]

If people believe in stealing, they don't have much place in a civilised society. They can go steal in their societies though no problem.

[@johnisaacdavey]

what a badass.

[@CC-xw6jr]

Off topic, but does anybody know if Owen Benjamin fell through?

[@nikolasfossmark8615]

fell through what?

[@udidusumfin6935]

Owen, is that you?

[@CC-xw6jr]

Nikolas Fossmark he was schedule for Your Welcome that day. Malice had hyped it up.

[@geoanc6423]

i couldn’t catch all of the joke, could someone please repeat it? loved the huge redpill hoppe dropped on the hot dog debate

[@jbsweeney1077]

Pull that sucker right up to your face.

[@KIDWITDEGUN]

Hoppe hat ein paar problematische Ansätze. Aber er bleibt einer der interessantesten Denker.

[@s0ltinsert782]

Kontroverser Mann, aber man muss auch nicht jeden einzelnen seiner Ansätze vollkommen übernehmen.

[@jonathanthethird52]

Er und Curt Dolittle retten den modernen Libertarismus im Gegensatz zur Libertarian Party...

[@s0ltinsert782]

Wenn die Rettung ein halbherziges Verwachsen mit Neokonservativen und Monarchisten ist, dann brauche ich keine.

[@jonathanthethird52]

@@s0ltinsert782 Erstens: Er findet Monarchie besser als Demokratie und beides scheiße. Zweitens: Jede ideologische Ordnung, die das NAP zur Basis hat, darf existieren. Um Konflikte innerhalb von den von Hoppe propagierten tausend Liechtensteins vorzubeugen, soll sich jede Ideologie ihre eigene, im Wettbewerb zu allen anderen stehende Kommune suchen. Dadurch wird in einer organisch-friedlichen Weltordnung dann die freiwillig-gewählte, beste Kommune gekürt. Weil jeder Mensch anders ist, wird es natürlich mehrere "beste" geben.

[@s0ltinsert782]

Ich glaube du hast Recht. Ich sollte meine Einstellung nochmal überdenken.

[@littoy]

FUCK YEAH

[@BradTrapp]

The Hoppe himself.

[@2046-b2o]

29:28 very interesting. How can Hoppe speak of "standard norms" and "degeneracy" (which implies failing to meet some standard) and people leading "undisciplined" lives. How can Hoppe speak of these personal norms, unless you can get an "ought" from somewhere, something that Hoppe explicitly denies can be done in his argumentation ethics. Since Hoppe denies the natural law position of Rothbard and the virtue ethical position of Rand, it would seem he is either smuggling in a lot more norms than just private property and the NAP that are unsupported, or else he thinks we can get a lot more from the _a priori_ of argumentation.

[@NicholasSinard]

He believes in the is-ought gap. That does not mean he doesn't believe in ought-statements. Furthermore, you can have norms that are stated as is-statements that prescribe nothing. Simply descriptions of social rules.

[@2046-b2o]

Umm yes, I noted that he believes in the is-ought gap in my comment. But Hoppe himself disagrees with you, he says his theory is "value free" and doesn't contain _any_ oughts (EEPP p. 401, 408 ff.) Now of course there can be purely descriptive accounts of social rules and behaviors, but without _any_ prescriptive force ("that prescribe nothing" in your words), it would be hard to call these _normative,_ for what we think of as normative is just what we think is making an ought claim.

[@NicholasSinard]

_ 2046 I know AE doesn't contain any oughts, but that doesn't mean he doesn't believe in any oughts.That doesn't mean he rules out the justifiability of such statements.

[@2046-b2o]

@@NicholasSinard 1. What functional difference is there between "believing in oughts" and "thinking oughts are justifiable"? It can't be merely "I believe that other people believe in them" because that would tell us nothing. 2. Indeed Hoppe can say, I believe there are personal norms, oughts, and one should live a "disciplined life," as he says in the video, and that these norms are not grounded in is-statements, but then he has two choices: (a) he has unsupported norms which his own theories do not do any substantive work to support, or (b) you can get a lot more from "the a priori of argumentation" than just the NAP and private property, which he hasn't shown. Note I'm not saying you can't believe in such oughts, or that I even disagree with Hoppe that living a disciplined life and having personal norms is good, only that it's interesting that Hoppe speaks of them while they seem to be at tension with his "value-free" version of ethics and while he has taken other ethicists to task for even attempting to provide a grounding for such claims (cf. EEPP pp. 312-23, 407-8.)

[@Conza]

_ 2046 you'll want to read this article from Konrad Graf - snippet: conza.tumblr.com/post/12504899606/deductive-legal-theory-when-properly

[@spawnlink]

the troll board is missed...

[@patrick_McD]

Wow, I thought this guy was dead. I guess I don’t know my Austrian economic history. As for the interview - top notch.

[@a.stevenstelmach-bondar6562]

HOLY FUCKIN' HOPPE, HOW DID HE GET HIM ON?

[@KulwinderSingh-gv8we]

I want to do one thing I am a resident of India but I don't wnat to tell my identity to anyone because I am a resident of india.The Indian government is doing bad to us, with the sikh ,crishan ,budiah and Muslims, they have done bad to everyone

[@StriderX04]

WHAT DID HE SAY A HOTDOG WAS!?!?

[@Telecasterfan]

A german dog.

[@maxilopez1596]

I've come to the conclusion that most of what people consider "right" libertarian (Hoppe, Rockwell etc) is just proper libertarian. Where as much of what people consider "left" libertarian (Tucker, Kokesh, Larkin Rose) is kind of a amoral attempt to be accepted by the academy and mainstream media and culture.

[@dansonoflightning2277]

Add Jo Jorgensen to the second group

[@beatsNstrings]

The hot dog question was quite a flop , what possessed him

[@Telecasterfan]

People who spend too much time on twitter sometimes forget that their twitter memes don't always translate to regular people.

[@sherpaderpa1]

Is the grammatical mistake in the podcast title meant as a joke?

[@Telecasterfan]

It is to weed out the midwits

[@sherpaderpa1]

yeah, because being literate is gay, amirite?

[@Telecasterfan]

@@sherpaderpa1 being smart enough to know basic grammar but not to get the joke

[@sherpaderpa1]

Stephen Adkins humor is subjective, not getting a joke isn’t necessarily a result of unsmartness.

[@Telecasterfan]

Yeah. But there's a certain level of intelligence that will cause someone to fixate on a grammatical error without realizing that by doing so they are making themselves the butt of the joke. And the way Malice uses the title, it's never ungrammatical. He will start by introducing the guest and then saying "and you can take that as your welcome" or something. So the joke is that he has chosen a title that will provoke certain people over and over again to reveal themselves as smart enough to know basic grammar but not smart enough to understand the full context of what they are talking about. It's a troll title.

[@theflyingdutchman2542]

Never give Hans a hand microphone, though he might be a northern German, he talks like an Italian.

[@dantean]

It STILL sounds like he thinks of behavior as something with its origins in the same thing that gives a person blue eyes or thick, wooly hair (i.e., race) rather than the values with which they are brought up and the examples set by those around them (i.e., culture). It's hard for me to believe Barack Obama (much as I loathe and despise him), has an attitude toward time (e.g., when it comes to showing up to work on time or meeting a friend at an agreed-upon location when he says he will) that does NOT reflect his going to the expensive Ivy League schools he attended, his working mom's work ethic, and similar non-biological influences. Meanwhile, it sounds as if Hoppe looks at him (if he didn't know who he was) and figures he's "like them" rather than "like us", as he says to Malice. Which reminds me: I wonder what the basis was for his taking for granted he and Ukrainian-born, Jewish Michael Malice are members of the same race. Or if he would still classify the two of them that way if he were aware he's Jewish (if he doesn't already, I mean). Not all German--probably Lutheran born and raised--people, nor all Jewish people see it that way. Mind, I don't care about any of this in the context of someone who wants to take the power to DO anything about any feelings they hold regarding others away from themselves and from all individuals, so my questions really are largely academic and a result of amused curiosity and nothing more (certainly not rising to the level of some kind of accusation), but it DOES entertain me to wonder whether he realizes what he says he thinks is somewhat belied by how he expresses it.

[@coolbeans6148]

He already answered this. 36.30

[@SomeInfamousGuy]

​@@coolbeans6148His response seemed intentionally rather vague but the answer appears to be yes.

[@markefreet1522]

For some strange reason I'm suddenly reconsidering my opinion about Alexander Hamilton.... What's happening to me?

[@putinstea]

Now I can understand how he became a libertarian, because he's a total recluse and he doesn't want to have to deal with foreigners.

[@dantean]

Referring to Dracula himself as a "recluse" is redundant.

[@quokkasoccer98]

the german who purposefully moved to USA and who has travelled all over the world to give speeches etc is a 'recluse'?

[@Polones12]

Great writing. Not so great speaker.

[@osoco7294]

I hope they NEVER use that pathetic 8cm reach mic again.

[@radiozelaza]

Hoppe is kind of too autistic to properly work the mic

[@osoco7294]

It's a toy you have to kiss in order to turn it on.

[@ZomboJoe]

That's alright, hes our autist

[@nikolasfossmark8615]

@@radiozelaza basically, yeah. He always forgets to hold it properly, as he flails his arms around when talking, so to speak. Gotta love him

[@s0lid_sno0ks]

Michael still doesn't know who Hoppe is.

[@wowhallo]

What is that supposed to mean?

[@s0lid_sno0ks]

I don't know.

[@wowhallo]

Alright

[@radiozelaza]

wowhallo *alt-right

[@Sean2046]

!!!!!

[@quietlike]

Libertarianism isnt right wing!!! Stop calling it that

[@polycentricvoluntarist8940]

certain forms of it are

[@Telecasterfan]

Depends on how pedantic you feel you need to be. Broadly speaking, the right historically stands for the conservation of certain historical institutions while the left historically stands for the destruction of those institutions in the name of progress. Many libertarians, especially rothbardian/hoppean/misesian types, are in favor of the preservation of institutions like private property, traditional marriage, the family, and more broadly "the west" as the cultural milieu in which those institutions have best flourished and brought about unprecedented prosperity. So in this sense, libertarianism belongs on the right end of the spectrum (flawed as it is).

[@polycentricvoluntarist8940]

it's also very much on the right end of the spectrum from an economic/ financial stand point even if the subscribers of libertarianism can often times be all over the board on social issues.

[@nerdturas]

@Philip-Alexander Jach No, mate. The left seeks equality Libertarianism seeks freedom through the ethics of argumentation It just doesn't fit

[@nerdturas]

@Philip-Alexander Jach I'm talking about libertarianism vs left Don't strawman me I've never seen or heard of this definition of left you gave and I would be pretty happy if you gave me sources Idk what concept of right and left are those you gave me. Classical liberalism isn't based in conservation, but in freedom, and it's on the right. All the changes the left seeks to make are aimed at equality. They do not defend the a priori of argumentation because it refutes their arguments, so libertarianism is not left. Or right. It's more of an anti political ideology

[@thefakenewsnetwork8072]

Long live freedom and democratic equality

[@antibritish_anarchsim1547]

No such thing🗿

[@zsualite7984]

"Long live freedom and the opposite of freedom" is what you said there.

[@explosives101]

Physically Remove Democrats

[@benmeltzer]

I don't get the joke about returning from the Soviet Union by train.

[@kulak8548]

Degeneracy would die out in a free society? ...What?

[@kulak8548]

@Adon HaddadPresumably as an anarchist, he means one without a state. I see it somewhat backwards, where such a free society could only exist if degeneracy dies out first. But I don't see any reason to believe that is even possible.

[@Max-nc4zn]

He defined degeneracy as those behaviours that only exist or are more common because of the existence of the state, so to say that degeneracy would die out in a free society is tautological.

[@cw4091]

How disappointing to hear that Hoppe is an agnostic.