YouTube Demonetized My Entire Channel Over 7 Seconds

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[@RowbyVids]

Hey, I've posted it elsewhere, but I really should have posted a pinned comment. I got remonetized, partially in thanks to this video. The short version of the story is that I joined an MCN who talked with KZbin on my behalf. They realized how ridiculous this was and reinstated me. The long version is for another day. I'm planning to get back behind the camera and explain it all, I just wanted to focus on other videos first. If you don't end up seeing that video- thank you for all of the kind words and support that you gave me when things were this bad. It was a pretty rough time and those comments really kept me going.

[@zsoltfox]

It'll never cease to amaze me how ridiculously stupid and unfair a platform like youtube or twitch can get, but at least you got your monetization back. I genuinely can't believe that it took months of blood sweat and tears to get to this point. There are some pretty strong words to be said about this whole system..

[@DRGx3]

It's insane that it took this long for KZbin do anything. Congratulations on the remonetization anyways!

[@TheUnusualSuspect]

Same thing happened to my channel; I'm glad you got remonetized. Could I ask, what MCN did you talk with? Hoping they can help me too.

[@rabbidscool]

@@TheUnusualSuspect Yeah, I wanna here this too

[@Ultimate-Revolt]

Hey, which MCN did you join? No one replied to my emails yet

[@moriya480]

fun fact: SSSniperWolf is still monetized and she's a freebooter. This site sucks.

[@IncognitoOrange]

remember the time sssniperwolf ghosted a dying kid with cancer

[@bruhgod123]

if only the youtube CEO had more than 2 braincells

[@carsiccl]

@@IncognitoOrange OH MY GOD IT'S THE GUY FROM SCRATCH

[@JKBisms]

​@@carsiccl hey.

[@JKBisms]

​@@IncognitoOrangeDont I know you? Your name sounds familiar

[@LinkRammer]

It's insane how "KZbin destroyed my channel" videos are a whole genre now.

[@Knaeckebrotsaege]

Google is going bats**t crazy with their algorithms rn. YT channels are getting strikes for the most idiotic reasons, developers on the playstore of apps (some of which have been around for a decade) with millions of users are getting permabanned for "stalking users/stalkerware" with none of them even knowing what that's supposed to mean and support being completely unresponsive, YT recommendations are complete trash (recommending videos with 0-100 views that have zero to do with your interests) ... like... wtf is even happening?! Did they just let AI loose on the decision making and ignoring every single case where that backfires horribly?!

[@KnownAsKenji]

For so many different reasons too. Past 5 or so years have really been hell here. Makes you wonder what blows up without warning next.

[@DarkGob]

It's literally the only reason I'm here, because I've watched other videos like this before so the algorithm decided I would also want to watch this one.

[@MM081]

I considered making something similar about my Google account being nearly disabled (I think it's because I looked young in my attempt to prove i'm not a robot so that I could make posts)

[@drooten]

KZbin moderators and moderaties... they seem to support Mafia and full blown fake religions over sincere channels like yourself. Thumbs up to you Thumbs down to KZbin

[@Voyajer.]

Ironically youtube is now pushing this video through their algorithm since this is the first of your videos I've seen. Good luck Rowby

[@zacharyallbrook5162]

But not before trying to disable the comment section in an attempt to silence discussion surrounding the demonitization of rowbys channel

[@TheOfficialMrloggy]

same

[@hibilbo4755]

its really incredible to me that theres no competitors to youtube considering how easy it would be for a site to be SO much more creator friendly than youtube is

[@OOZ662]

That's raw capitalism at work. If you're paying your underlings too much, someone who can get away with paying them less is going to make enough money to push you out of the market.

[@PanickedPixel]

Costs of running servers for a video streaming platform is actually pretty high. I don’t think KZbin made a profit in most of the years its been running. I believe Linus Tech Tips talked about this when he was making a case for KZbin charging extra for 4K streaming.

[@rain28980]

there are many competitors to youtube but youtube is simply too powerful

[@Altoclarinets]

it's because the servers to host as much video as KZbin does cost an insane amount of money. KZbin started at a time when the Internet was a much different place and gained a massive market share basically immediately because they would host your video files for free, something basically no other sites would do at the time. Now any would-be competitors can't start small like KZbin did because they would have to offer not only the video hosting, but the audience levels and monetization abilities that KZbin does basically right off the bat if they want to attract KZbin-based creators to their own space. TikTok has maybe come the closest to doing it of any recent app and that's because they first formed and grew their userbase in China where there's not really access to KZbin, so no competition on a potential audience of several hundred million. Western startups wouldn't be in such a convenient situation.

[@AmphibianDev]

X is trying to be one, with more focuse on free speech. I hope they successed, we don't want a monopoly.

[@NotOxity]

The fact that I never watch this type of content and I've never heard of this guy in my life but this specific video got recommended to me is really poetic to the cockiness of KZbin.

[@takiallahjamai]

same

[@itsrandxm]

same

[@anongirlfrompoland]

Same

[@Smoldragoncat]

Same

[@geeblercobbler]

Emas

[@arlopullman4926]

This is fucking absurd. The entire system of overwhelmingly punishing creators for minor or even non-existent infractions and then forcing them to *guess* what they did wrong to even get a chance at reconsideration is so obviously insane that it's hard to believe there are any human beings in charge of KZbin at all. I love your content, man. Especially as you've been branching out more. If it's all I can do to help, I'll be sharing this shit everywhere I can.

[@fearrogue]

RIP Rowby

[@AceAviations2]

I had something similar happen to me earlier this year, my channel was TERMINATED for seemingly no reason. Thankfully it didn't last long, but that was a terrifying few hours.

[@a50ftfall6]

And all that live leak levels of horror going on on The dark side of KZbin is a-ok. Probably because it's not monetized. Then a small KZbin spills their coffee or something and KZbin decides destroy their life's work.

[@jrich436]

Minor infraction to you, major headache and money loss possibility for THEM Content creators are disposable and it costs more to track and interact with them quickly for everything like this than it does to do it this way The humans are in charge of more complicated and bigger things than this. You have no idea how a small business let alone something this big runs You would run it no different or you wouldn’t have a profitable mega Corp. Full stop…. KZbin isn’t a job, it’s s hustle. If it were a job there would be way more protections in place Hopefully he gets this cleared up. I like his content, but what you are saying isn’t logical

[@a50ftfall6]

@@jrich436 you're defending a mega corporation? It's not a side hustle this is people's life work this is their main source of income the reason why doesn't have more protection is because the government is like you Grandpa and doesn't know how to use the cell phone yet that's why they haven't put anything in place to protect creators and KZbin is free to do whatever the hell they want which is mostly just have faulty robots do everything. KZbin wants to squeeze everything they can from creators and give nothin back.

[@GameEsthetics]

XQC uploads an entire movie... YT "Whoops hehe" you are so silly

[@VaChiee]

this is happening so often Im really starting to think they just don't want to pay people who can't hurt them in any way

[@xetachron]

If anyone wants to help this man, continue to re-watch this video over and over to inflate the watch time hours so it gets pushed big in the algorithm.

[@adr3748]

Well it certainly worked

[@hauntedmedic373]

​@@adr3748indeed

[@ilovecakecanihaveapiece]

​@@adr3748Indeed, same

[@Chxrry_Bxlls]

Well it certainly worked

[@mixymaxox]

Well it certainly worked

[@GoldBearanimationsYT]

I have 23 days left this happened to me on a channel that was doing very well and I even got to speak on the phone. They still refused to tell me what content it was

[@Spectrythium]

KZbin is starting to have roblox moderation

[@rocker8890]

@@Spectrythiumthat’s gonna be horrifying..

[@wrath4452]

Good fucking lord, this site is a dumpster fire…

[@mrdansings]

Apparently yt has a policy about not giving out the exact reason, which is so dumb… fingers crossed they sort it out for you.

[@UVC.winter]

@@Spectrythium oh god your right....

[@SansUndertaleOfficial]

This hit me too! KZbin has been demonetizing SO many people for 'Reused Content' now.

[@OnlyWaifuYT]

So sorry this happened to you. I hope everything can get fixed soon! Sharing this so it gets to more people.

[@davidc2403]

The fact that this guy gets demonetized for "reused content" but big reaction channels get away free is infuriating.

[@psy-fi64]

Stares at someone else's content for 60 seconds Gets 452k views

[@England91]

​@@psy-fi64yeah, React and SSSniperwolf get away with it

[@ArcticSurvivor17]

⁠@@England91not only does someone like SSSniperwolf get to do her shitty reaction content, get paid for it, and have no repercussions, but KZbin avidly promotes her

[@davidc2403]

@@psy-fi64 Too true

[@JamesP7]

@@England91Who’s React?

[@spacebrandcereal2536]

Yup youtube sure is great. They did this to you but have (from what I've seen) done nothing about the ACTUAL culprits.

[@SetNode]

"but have (from what I've seen) done nothing about the ACTUAL culprits." Because those make more money.

[@spacebrandcereal2536]

@@SetNodeyup

[@sirlolthe3rd613]

I can not believe that they wont even punish sssniperwolf but punish creators like these??? I swear youtube is playing favorite's in the worst way possible

[@jamescarmody5653]

@@sirlolthe3rd613 they always have played favorites why do you think they removed dislikes?

[@LincolnRhyme-uy3pp]

@@jamescarmody5653 and then didn't they try to pin it on the community like "oh you're the ones who wanted this" even though almost everyone unanimously agreed it was a bad idea

[@Toastybuns123]

Spread this video guys. Watch till the end. Multiple times if you can. I'm sorry this happened to you.

[@Blue-Robin]

also comment. that helps with engagement

[@Avil-Eros-Ourpl]

Comments help a lot

[@corrin_arts]

(or watch the video in .25 speed as that give the video a 4x watch time)

[@gamercentral2417]

Comments do NOT help

[@Seannn.]

​@@gamercentral2417they help short form videos i think

[@brandonthomas5619]

KZbin just did the same thing to me last week on my main channel. Funny enough, they did it right before all I needed was $4 left of ad revenue to receive my FIRST payout. The timing is ridiculous. They basically got to run ads on my videos for free... All of your frustration, I'm feeling too brother.

[@KarlSinclair-rd9uc]

This experience reminds me of mine and how it left me totally puzzled , If not for *_Cyber.kor1* (solution and support services) I would not have been able to get it effectively rectified. It's possible you haven't heard of them. They are the best and most reliable tech support.

[@KarlSinclair-rd9uc]

The expert who rescued the situation as mentioned above are on Instagram. I am sure this can help you too.

[@historyoffootball87]

Same thing happened to me last week.

[@RaffiP]

KZbin desperately wants to stop paying content creators. Too bad there's no alternative platform with equal popularity to compete with it.

[@carbonrobin]

twitch but its not worth it at this point getting a job you hate will give people more money

[@unowtheunown]

​​@@carbonrobintwitch is not even close to a KZbin alternative, one is a platform made specifically for live streaming and the other one is a video hosting platform with some live streaming features

[@bruhgod123]

@@carbonrobin if you make a twitch channel you will be treated unfairly unless your a woman

[@lilyofluck371]

A dream of mine is to make my own when I'm older, but unfortunately because of the laziness of most consumers it's surely doomed to fail

[@novanppp]

​@@bruhgod123i absolutely disagree. I'm a woman and twitch treats me like shit! I've never been recommended to ANYONE for 7 FUCKING YEARS! the only way i get a new viewer is if one of my friends shares my stream link directly! I've been banned for "nudity" when I'M A VTUBER WITH A SWEATER! I'VE NEVER BEEN NUDE AND NEITHER HAS MY AVATAR! No, twitch only cares about their CASH COW streamers who get nearly naked and have money thrown at them. I'm just playing games.... You know... What twitch is SUPPOSED to be for?

[@themysteriouswarlock]

KZbin wronged this man so hard he had to do a face reveal out of nowhere.

[@laziwastaken]

If I had a nickel for every time an anonymous KZbinr I watch revealed their face due to bad circumstances, i'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that its happened twice.

[@AustynL]

​@@laziwastakenwhat was the second time? kwite?

[@laziwastaken]

@@AustynL YEP

[@LunaAmbience]

Hey, sorry to hear your going through this. This happend to my channel a number of times through the years. The annoying part is they never clarify what has been flagged as ''reused content'' on the channel. Appealing usually gets you nowhere. They always say it violates a certain policy, even when you show otherwise in the appeal video. I get the feeling Ai is running the process. It's incredibly frustrating trying reach KZbin support as in most cases, they just provide you with a link to their vague polices website. I'll give some advice that worked for me in the past: -Make what you believe to be one of your highest quality videos as the most recent upload. (they usually check the most recent video first when you reapply) -Unlist potential videos that could be violating the policy (you have to basically guess at this point) -Describe exactly what it is you do in the channel description (they want to see what you bring to the platform and your audience) -Have a short section in video descriptions describing the process of making the video (shows them that your not just uploading cheap/others content) -Revamp channel presentation (switch channel trailer, rearrange playlists so it's easier to navigate your channel homepage) After that reapply for monetization and hope for the best. Again I'm sorry you have to deal with this, hope this helps and good luck!

[@richdianetv828]

I just found out that I no longer eligible for ypp 😥😥😥😥

[@LunaAmbience]

@@richdianetv828 Sorry to hear that! I hope you can get it back soon!

[@jemimahnakabuye-nc5nz]

My channel was demonetized

[@mcloughlinguy4127]

Love how KZbin calls you a “content recycling farm” and simultaneously endorses channels like SSSniperwolf who do nothing but recycle content and get genuinely rich off of it.

[@yukobayshi]

youtube logic be like:

[@yukobayshi]

@@ihatelaptops2989 accurate

[@gameknightplays1211]

​@@ihatelaptops2989EDUARDO

[@liammacdonald-hi8rd]

KZbin logic, in a nutshell, "What, a creator, on our platform, doing something, he shouldn't be, but without any evidence, to back up or claim, let's just casually suppress him, and silence anyone, who even dare to try to help him, that's KZbin 2023 for ya".

[@spiritupgrades]

I wonder if he could go to KZbin headquarters personally?

[@snai1_gutz104]

Yes

[@mrdansings]

I got blocked for reused AND repetitive content in this exact same area, which is sooo stupid so I know how you feel. BUT, after a month or two, I reappealed to join the YPP and it got accepted (despite them rejecting the appeal with concrete evidence of me not being either), so I reckon it is just an oversight by their algorithm and they can fix it for you too! hmu if you need help as I also did a couple other bits

[@TheMiningMeteor]

Similar thing happened to me too, but I ended up getting demonetised a second time after the first. Hopefully the algorithm spares you :)

[@zacharyallbrook5162]

Ha yt fixing things dont make Mr laugh after all they still have not returned the dislike so why would they care

[@opaltoralien4015]

Rowby I hope this helps you! KZbin's troubleshooting team is so dumb sometimes, I've seen many youtube videos just like this. I'm also fairly sure that 7 second clip is fair use.

[@miciso666]

and then u get SSsniperwolf do the EXACT same fucking thing. and she gets praise.

[@wisefries4205]

@@miciso666 cause she gets the views i guess. big views = many ads = big $ in YT Pockets

[@SuperJman1111]

It makes absolutely no sense why they just ban/demonize users that did nothing and not telling them why, and have a bot riddled appeal system with a _90 hecking day cooldown_

[@Xandoshi]

As soon as i heard "Reused Content", I instantly knew what the solution is. There is a video by a Minecraft-Tuber called Jake Eyes who had this problem 4 years ago, and in that it has a way to contact the guys up there. Video might be hard to find (they are a minecraft animation youtuber after all), but the video is on the 6th row of the most popular videos tab.

[@datsorde1132]

Same guy who did the '50 ways to die in minecraft' series? Was that the reason why he got the hammer from yt?

[@RowbyVids]

I attempted to use the email he did in his video but it's either no longer in service, or closed off to me specifically because I'm not monetized now.

[@PhoenixMario]

Yeah I saw that video as well but that email no longer works

[@YMSHighlights]

This exact same thing happened to me. I posted an eight second clip from Saw Spiral and KZbin demonetized me for "reused content" and around the same time. Unreal.

[@testchannel8151]

Thank you recommended. You have blessed this man

[@4viator]

I feel you man, happend to me 3 times for more stupid reasons each time.

[@xxmlgtwinkiegamerxx7916]

KZbin has been screwing over youtubers for so long and its stupid. My only assumption is that they might have only hit the video now after seven years because you've blown up a lot recently. They usually dont hit smaller channels until their reach becomes greater than before

[@spinnyboi9951]

obviously, they can get more money from it now as ads still play on the now popular demonetized video/channel, just that only they receive the money, and the channel doesnt have a big enough community to move against youtube. a video/channel getting demonetized is no longer about breaching some rule, its about youtube's greed

[@christopherkidwell9817]

@@spinnyboi9951And that is when the legal system starts to get involved because KZbin is stepping resoundly in the 'unfair business practices' swamp.

[@browngaymethodistjesuschri1361]

@@christopherkidwell9817what are you talking about ‘legal system’ they can run KZbin how they want? We don’t have to like it but it’s the truth

[@LimeonCandy]

I don't understand why most big companies are so vague with their rules and issues

[@baggiestshelf5822]

Because then they can’t be held accountable if the rules can bend, if they did make the rules specific then creators would read it to the letter and call KZbin out for BS.

[@g80gzt]

So they can selectively apply them, saying they don't need to put in effort for something important, and saying they're allowed to take this action for something petty.

[@VeryRGOTI]

Both of the reasons the replies gave should become against the law because its become common practice for no good.

[@pumkin610]

🤔 you'd think the rules would be clear and set in stone but heck no, it's completely up to interpretation

[@PragmaticAntithesis]

It's to cover themselves legally. Often the main reason why these bad policies exist is because the company doesn't want to get sued.

[@JosRocks410]

very scary that this could happen & very infuriating that this doesn't happen to reaction channels

[@StrawberryGS]

I'm so sorry this happened to you. You're putting a very brave face on it. Even the best creators get caught by weird stuff at KZbin. I hope they fix it soon.

[@Neon_Henchman]

You're not the only one being subjected to KZbin's bullying, myself I got a Community Strike over a PLAYLIST, I was saving anything regarding Art and Animation, but they must've been flagging everything as "Made for Kids" as I've come to learn, and I was BEGGING them to please look at it from a human perspective, but they never did, they said the exact same bullshit they told you. Lately too, I had come across mountains of evidence that showcase someone is clearly view-botting and using their sock accounts for bullying, but even in spite of all these screenshots and video evidence, they once again ignored everything, they still couldn't tell me why that is, just a "They didn't violated any policies", bullshit, their commenters always say dumb shit for one out of many things. They must be keeping all these view-botters on their site, because it can't be just one if they let that one go so easily, well they let them be because bad clout is still good clout to them. TeamKZbin is utterly incompetent, several times they have been of absolutely no help and ignored everything I could say to them, and this is further aggravating as I have a speech impairment and they won't ever take the time of day to hear me out when they've wrongfully deleted my 1000 Vids Playlist. I'm convinced at this point that the Twitter account only exists to give the illusion that they have any customer/user support, which they clearly don't and that's further reinforced because they still have yet to reopen their Community Help Forums. This is all some elaborate lie to make it look like they have everything under control. They also would allow all of these scammers on their sites, but punish those that were upstanding throughout the vast majority of their time on KZbin. I'm sick and tired of KZbin, and I want them to face all of the consequences for their wrongdoings, we need to restart fresh, because clearly KZbin is so rotten it's beyond saving, and I've been posting on the platform for 10 years and even I want to move on from them, they just happen to have the monopoly on everything and let these companies be complicit in the scam with sponsorships and whatnot.

[@mrsnayarlhats4242]

I understand KZbin has gone to shit because the last ceo made things bad but the new ceo is making things 10 times worse I had a guy who called me an 11 year old which I'm not I said something to him but my comment got erased I had to make another one this time it sticks I feel like KZbin is getting shittier with the comments section you can't even defend yourself in the comment section then KZbin gave me they're BS no bullying tolerance policy I gave KZbin an angry feedback letter then after that I went in Samsung notes and write my angry rant about what happened and posted on Instagram I just feel like KZbin is siding with the bullies on everything with they're crappy policy like one of them many damn schools that we hate so much that we graduated from

[@Neon_Henchman]

@@mrsnayarlhats4242 Same here, at some point someone was claiming a group of people are pedophiles, but as I argued with him that he's wrong, myself I kept being censored by YT, but he could still use terms like CP and whatnot and badmouth me, as I couldn't do anything to bypass the filters even as I was chewing my words. I also hate how it's impossible to see every comments including in Threads because they are hidden in the Top Comments category, but by switching to Newest First, then it shows everything, it's so bad as you've said, they actually make their site more annoying on each update.

[@mrsnayarlhats4242]

@@Neon_Henchman I'm sorry to hear that someone was accusing you of that people are just mean and cruel in general and KZbin that doesn't do anything about it just gose to that KZbin doesn't care about innocent people that's being hurt by others they only care about the almighty dollar bill it goes to show you that a ceo of a company like KZbin becomes a masochist by they're own greed and ends up hurting innocent people in the end its just really sad it goes to show you that it's part of the world that went to heck in a hand basket

[@Screamingman10121]

why is a flag reason "made for kids?" anyways?

[@Neon_Henchman]

@@Screamingman10121 They Community Struck my Playlist under the pretense it violated the "Child safety policy", which still is completely out of line and they were never able to tell me what exactly was the problem. All I could do was connect the dots; the next month, I saw that video "KZbin Doesn't Respect Animation At All", I think throughout the years I had videos that were changed to "Made for Kids" because they're biased, then they may've made it seem like I was saving them for a "certain purpose", to lure in children or some shit, but like it's not my fault I see Leafie the Hen the same way I did South Park and The House (2022), it was just a potpourri, and furthermore it wasn't even Public! So their automated systems flagged me and no humans went in to see the actual context! This is just insane, I lost 1000 Videos worth of 3D & 2D arts, Clips, and essays.

[@Abdfks]

Hopefully KZbin does the correct thing and fixes this quickly. Sorry this happened Rowby 🙏

[@fearrogue]

I remember the day he released that idiot sandwich video and I thought wow that is so funny that's what I was nine crazy how far we've come. now he's getting banned like Andrew Tate.

[@ITinay]

​@@fearroguenot the tater 😭

[@laserfoxpro]

@@ITinayi mean andrew tate DID get banned

[@hexagon2185]

@@fearrogue How the fuck are the two similar tater tot

[@YokomichiSilver]

You really think KZbin is going to do the right thing and fix their own mistake? You're expectations are rather high. I mean this company hasn't been all that great with all the choices they made. I mean remember the remove dislike button and more recently how they changed all our names to @ handles to be more like Twitter while making Short's videos similar to TikTok? It's like KZbin is taking what's popular and trying to outdo the original only to end up failing and making themselves look worse. Nobody asked for any of these changes and while many have complained KZbin does what they do best, ignore and act like they aren't such a problem child.

[@Trampus10-4]

Never came across this channel until now. First face reveal in 3 years!? Looks like you are a natural on cam. Good job and I hope this all works out for you!

[@FMHikari]

Blocking "Reused Content" is just a disguised "You can't post it anywhere else other than here". Which may be used to enforce creators to only be on KZbin, similar to how Twitch wanted.

[@DentonkingShortsPlus]

I had the exact same problem as you. I had original content that was created by me, and posted to my channel. However, I had a few clips of SpongeBob that were still up there, so I privated them and waited for them to get back to me. After waiting a bit, I got rejected once again. So, I did some digging and had a theory about it potentially being the privated videos. So, I deleted all those privated SpongeBob clips and tried applying again. Fun fact: it worked. So, you may want to delete those videos because YT does not care if they're public or not.

[@KiiXii]

KZbin would rather destroy their platform than pay their workers.

[@ikoiko3039]

"Pay their workers" KZbin does not employ people who upload videos on their platform. Uploaders are not entitled to ANYTHING from youtube. You should frankly be grateful they give you the server space to share your videos. It seems like this "creator" is only in it for the money. It is a privilege to have a monetized channel. I'm not some Google bootlicker but the entitlement in this comment section is crazy.

[@thatguywithmyface]

​@@ikoiko3039🤡

[@ZeekyMinatures]

@@ikoiko3039alright, tell me what your job is, I will find a way to prove to you why you shouldn’t be paid then.

[@ZeekyMinatures]

@@ikoiko3039there’s a KZbinr called, “CSGhost” if you search them up, they will mention how it takes them over a year to animate their videos and they get paid 1-2k per video… if it gets over 3m views, which isn’t likely, Also, how the fuck did you forget about ads, unless you didn’t forget about them and you genuinely think youtube should earn 100% of the money made from essentially slaves.

[@KiiXii]

@@ikoiko3039 KZbin puts ads on videos they don’t make, if nobody made any money and it all went to KZbin the site would very quickly become a ghost town.

[@JonJohJameson]

KZbin be like, _"Seven seconds, seven seconds is all I need to destroy your channel."_

[@impactframes]

Wow this is crazy, YT is so big they do what they want until they are the new MySpace for mistreating the creators. This is getting so common and scary I have been working on my own channel and I can't imagine how frustrating this must be for you hope it gets solved quick

[@supercyclone8342]

6:21 PRIVATING MAY NOT WORK! I've seen a channel get striked, then private that video and anything similar, and then get striked again for one of the now private videos! KZbin's moderation is absolutely terrible, so if you have even the slightest feeling that something could go wrong for your next appeal, assume it will. Man, and just yesterday I was talking about how we may be a bit harsh on KZbin, when it's better than most other video sites I've used. How could I forget stuff like this...

[@user-cd7eh2wn7h]

the reason why KZbin demonizes videos so often is because they have an incentive to do it as ads still play on videos that are demonetized just without the creator's cut which is why they demonetize like its the only thing they know how to do.

[@jrich436]

He just told you the money was returned to the sponsor retroactively What you are now saying is that KZbin management has decided to defraud its content creators by lying to them SAYING the money was returned but is in fact pocketing the SMALLER part of the split and keeping it Doubtful

[@user-cd7eh2wn7h]

@@jrich436 lol i was high while typing that thx for the info tho

[@GGG_gaming]

@@jrich436 advertisers dont get the money back on demonized channels, youtube gets all of it if that was the case only demonotised channels would have ads on them advertizers pay youtube to run said ads, they dont pay content creators directly dude

[@jrich436]

@@GGG_gaming not sure the purpose of this I’m repeating what HE said. I’ve done Adsense (googles base for what got rolled out on KZbin) etc for over 2 decades and am in content creator management now What I’m saying is there is no devious conspiracy on KZbin’s part to demonetize a channel to keep 100% of the PENNIES they give per 1k engagements which is what they were saying No, not how it works

[@insoporous9978]

@@jrich436 That devious conspiracy is not only plausible, but quite probable. KZbin's decisions like this are because of algorithm. You think an algorithm or bot can't be made to just randomly demonetize small channels here and there? You think pennies don't make a difference but YT can do this on a massive scale, enough to the point that it's actually profitable to do so. Did you know some companies have and still do send you a bill twice just in case you're dumb enough to pay them both when you only owe for one? Did you know parking enforcement will put bogus tickets on cars not in violation just because there's no downside whatsoever? Most people will just pay it since it's not worth it for the individual to contest a ticket. I've literally seen them ticket a car for "unpaid meter" when the own had just walked away after paying the meter. If you think a giant corporation that has extremely easy means to just skim a little off the top, won't do exactly that, you're rather naive. YT is already in hot water for selling premium ads at premium rates that show on places in violation of their own terms. (side bars and silent playing videos that auto-play without interaction.) I say they're in hot water because they're screwing over dozens of Fortune 500 companies by doing that. And you think they won't screw the little guy... why exactly?

[@JohnDaniels]

I woke up this morning and saw an email in my inbox that said my whole channel was just demonetized. This was totally out of the blue and caught me off guard. My channel is in perfect standings so I was really surprised to see this. Normally if there's a particular video they don't like when you upload it they would tell you or sometimes it may catch it later for a particular video but it was just odd that all of a sudden my whole channel was demonetized. Luckily I don't put a whole lot of effort into my channel because I've had in the past two strikes at one time which were eventually taken off but if I would have got a third one they said they would have deleted my whole channel so when that happened I knew I was at the mercy of this big faceless corporation and so I didn't put as much effort into the KZbin channel I put my effort into other ventures that bring in a lot more money and I don't have to worry about at any moment they could get turned off. I haven't looked yet to see what it was but whatever it is I'll try to delete or clean up and then see if they'll remonetize it and if they do then I'll even put less effort into the channel and just continue to get whatever money streams in from it. To me it's so odd that they would just demonetize the whole channel just all of a sudden, it seems like it would make more sense to demonetize certain videos which they can do anyway you can have a video up and then later they can come back and say well this video for whatever reason we're demonetized it and that's understandable but to demonetize your whole channel just is very odd.

[@KunningFox]

Similar thing happened to me a few years ago, turns out the reason was my old covers that I privated (to hopefully keep the comments) and re-uploaded with a different picture.

[@digitalizedmind6784]

this is why being a youtuber is one of my dream jobs but also something i'm afraid to pursue. KZbin is outright hostile to small creators. also just wanna say its kinda ironic how ive never been to this channel before yet here i am because algorithm thought i'd like it

[@LilyGazou]

Same. Algorithm. I don’t want to put too much effort into this platform then lose all of it. Same happened with friends who had Etsy stores for years, lost all at once, lost all their contacts, all their efforts.

[@flamingscar5263]

This is why I am astonished youtube hasnt crashed and burned A platform this size can not be monitored by humans, thats just not possible, so its our AI/Algorithm overlords that deem if your channel is fit This is an inescapable fact, youtube has just grown to big for evrn a company the size of google to properly manage

[@VexingWeeb]

That’s how powerful brands are. No one goes anywhere else because they already know KZbin. And it works relatively for the majority of people. So people aren’t going to switch unless it actually affects a majority of people to a pretty good degree

[@flamingscar5263]

@@VexingWeeb not quite, the reason no one leaves youtube is because ther is really no other option, and likely never will be See youtube isn't profitable, Google makes profit BECAUSE of youtube but not FROM youtube Google collects your data to feed you ads, I would be shocked if that's news to you But what this allows for is Google to serve you targeted ads across all of the internet, not just youtube since Goolgr has a near monopoly within online advertising So this puts youtube in a weird situation, the site itself is a loss for Google, but the data ot gathers allows them to upcharge targeted ads across all of the intenet, meaning that data is profitable This means only 1 company in the world could keep this site running, and that's Google, because no other company has a near monopoly on intenet advertising so it wouldn't be worth it for any other company besides Google, at least if the site wanted feature parity with youtube

[@LanceRedCock]

This is dumb yes, but if you really are astonished that KZbin has not failed, you are very naive.

[@flamingscar5263]

@@LanceRedCock its more from a technical perspective, idk how youtubes filter system can hold up to the enormous amount of content this site has

[@PragmaticAntithesis]

It's because KZbin isn't profitable. Hosting and distributing videos is expensive and the pennies they get from advertisers don't make up the cost. If someone tries it without Google money, they're doomed.

[@JohnDaniels]

You hit the nail on the head, they won't even tell you what the problem is. This makes no logical sense, it'd be like your spouse coming in and saying they want a divorce after 20 years and of course you're going to ask him why and then they won't tell you, it's unfair and unjust. What they really should do is do like they normally do just demonetize any specific video and then you could work on those specific videos not just demonetized your whole channel.

[@SzaSzabiYT]

Many genres are struggling to get monetized, even when they don't use literally anything from other videos, they just say no. One of the worst cases possible, I hope you get it back!

[@CaptainZlex]

The sad thing I've seen this happen to a dozen different people. KZbin knows they can get away with it and the only solution seems to be starting a riot on social media. And even then that only works if you have enough clout.

[@Anormalyoutuber2255]

Therefore we call critical

[@CaptainZlex]

@@Anormalyoutuber2255 KZbinrs need a union. Or some kind of group to stir the shit with KZbin itself whenever something like this happens. They could band together and stand up for smaller content creators.

[@VexingWeeb]

@@CaptainZlexand do what?

[@thesupported5430]

​@VexingWeeb shreg. Spam their Twitter or something. Honestly that could work. Not sure since I'm not on twitter.

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@VexingWeeb I think Nebula may be the closest thing to a KZbin union. Unfortunately it is invite only AFAIK.

[@johnmcconnell7052]

KZbin is pretty much doing this to a lot of people even to the point of terminating channels without reason except violation of terms and service meanwhile the channel could be up for five minutes have no vulgar or offensive words etc.

[@sihamhamda47]

It affects most old content that has been considered 100% safe for many years before the terms of service update Because of that, I'd rather download all of my favourite videos as MP4 rather than saving to the playlist, because we never know when and why those videos are deleted

[@AceAviations2]

Yeah, had that happen to me this year, thankfully I got it back.

[@CaitofFate]

​@@sihamhamda47yep, went through my old playlist of long play series' and found out that there is like 5 videos removed

[@UMMMMMMM…..GUYSSSSS]

I don’t often comment on videos, but I’m praying this gets pushed by the algorithm more. KZbin sucks a LOT sometimes, and I REALLY hope this video blows up not only to help your channel but also to raise awareness about what KZbin is doing. I’m so sorry this happened to you, I really hope that KZbin recognizes that this is, y’know, SO DAMN STUPID. Good luck man… ❤💔 Edit: Just finished the video, WHAT THE HELL. THAT IS SO WRONG- and it’s so clear that they really don’t care. They didn’t think about it, they don’t care. This is so irritating.

[@CoolJosh3k]

Reasons like this is why I occasionally here reputable sources advise against trying to make a living off of KZbin.

[@spencervoth5057]

Maybe this is just the pessimist in me speaking, but the worst part about this whole situation is that KZbin probably won't even care about this. Their big creators are still making them the big bucks, and a single relatively small channel being outspoken about this issue probably isn't going to make a company as big as KZbin care unless this somehow blows up and public outrage starts to drastically affect their profits. I'm so sorry this happening to you. Here's to hoping that I'm wrong and you're able to get your channel remonetized...

[@CHADCONTEXT]

It wouldn't be surprising how KZbin wouldn't care on this situation, they done it to other content creators and that is infuriating as hell. And yet, KZbin somehow allows other channels that break their guidelines (such as content recycling farm channels), while content creators like Rowby suffers unfair treatment.

[@TheKreature13666]

But even then, some of the biggest creators still are affected by KZbin and their dumbass actions. One of my favorite channels, RTGame, had a majority of his videos demonetized at the beginning of this year, due to him trying to appeal a different claim on his Best of 2022 video and (specifically) his video of The Quarry, which was featured in his Best of video. (He's since gotten the issue resolved, but now out of spite, he's replaced/censored all of the swearing in his videos with "KZbin". He even made a whole video about turning "KZbin" into a swear word.)

[@GCYouTube]

​@@CHADCONTEXTyea. Some times im worried if im a content farm saying I posted 200 parts of msm😅😅

[@Nexishere]

I needed an excuse to go up a patreon tier today

[@__Oni_]

Chad

[@RenAsterion]

Ugh. I'm so sorry this happened to you, man. I've never seen you before, but you wound up on my home page, so clearly the interaction is forcing the algorithm to spread you around more, which is good. I hope this gets fixed for you soon!

[@King_Dub_Dub]

The irony of all this is that this vid was at the top of my home page and I’ve never heard of you in my life, I guess the KZbin algorithm has figured out that KZbin screwups go viral.

[@FlyingTeaRex]

I find it perplexing that YT can demonetise the entire channel without warning and without even being clear with what the issue is.

[@JohnDaniels]

Exactly

[@greybigfoot1722]

The hair is accurate to the avatar, it brought a tear to my eye. Really hoping this vid gets picked up and some administrator solves the issue immediately. I’ve heard that bigger channels get these problems but can solve them much quicker because of their connections

[@HyperKatatonic]

Commenting for engagement! I've never seen you in my feed before so i hope that means this video is being pushed by the algorithm. Good luck, I hope this gets resolved for you

[@unarmedarc6470]

Just found this man today, definitely underrated. subscribed, liked, and commented. I hope this with help push this in the algorithm!

[@TheMiningMeteor]

Same thing happened to me. Twice. I missed the first window to appeal (I wasnt uploading at the time so I didn’t realise I even got demonetised) and re Applied afterwards, and I got approved. then it got removed again with my appeal getting rejected, because it “wasn’t representative of my channel” even though it followed all the instructions and went in detail on how I made my largest, most high effort videos in the appeal. Now, the requirement for me to re-apply has increased and I can’t even re-apply anymore (no clue why) so I’ve just given up on getting monetisation for my little channel. I make videos as more of a hobby anyway so this doesn’t affect me much, but it’s still really annoying!! Also, what I think is getting flagged as “reused content” is probably memes I make and upload to my channel semi-often, but that shouldn’t even be flagging it because in the guidelines that THEY sited, they explicitly say that “A funny or thoughtful revision of content you didn’t originally create” is GOOD!! So maybe KZbin just doesn’t think I’m funny lmao

[@eliaskrebs9444]

That is completely unreal. I'm sure this term has a technical meaning that doesn't apply, but this is yet another demonstration of how fundamentally negligent KZbin is as a platform.

[@j--r]

Digital cockblockery is the closest term I can think of.

[@mmgmagic]

@@j--r In terms of proper terms, I feel like "online copyright pedantry" would be best suited here.

[@Triscuit08]

same thing happens when somebody cancels somebody, no way to fix it, no way to discuss it, no money, no jobs, that persons life is ruined because of a joke or word they said 10 years ago

[@bubswest]

seeing things like this happen makes me thankful thats youtube support responded to my appeal and helped sort it out good luck to you man, theres hope

[@shdy9498]

its always fun to hear that youtube has completely ruined someone's life because they 'think' you did something wrong

[@Thomas-VA]

KZbin deserves a number of highly public lawsuits for the shoddy way they take money and prevent others

[@rainswings1190]

I love how KZbin just works. I love that there's like 5 websites and 4 corporations and they can have a computer decide something you did doesn't line up with what it likes and then you're screwed. It's great.

[@TheLifeandSadEnding]

This happened to me as well with 228,000 Subs and 66 Million total views. Hang in there kid.

[@KarlSinclair-rd9uc]

This experience reminds me of mine and how it left me totally puzzled , If not for *_Cyber.kor1* (solution and support services) I would not have been able to get it effectively rectified. It's possible you haven't heard of them. They are the best and most reliable tech support.

[@KarlSinclair-rd9uc]

The experienced experts I highlighted above are on Instagram.❤

[@jemimahnakabuye-nc5nz]

how did you fix

[@Frozted_]

youtube not trying to mess up their own platform (impossible)

[@Game_Blox9999]

Try not to ruin KZbin challenge (impossible)

[@Test87]

Same thing happening to Roblox

[@jaken7782]

Never seen this channel before but I'm still wishing you the best. This happens far too often imo

[@zeefrea]

this got put into my recommended so I think we are on the right track, this is a HUGE flaw with youtube as a whole and it NEEDS to be fixed

[@arbalist5]

"Can you imagine your livelihood getting put on pause for something you did that lasted seven seconds eight years ago?" -My dad in his suicide note

[@malumempireum3471]

"Broken immersion" No I'm actually surprised you look so similar to your cartoon self irl

[@runner0233]

but its even worse when someone steals your content and proceeds to flag you over stealing content youtube needs some serious safety changes over content theft and copyright laws

[@wijsman6250]

This keeps popping into my recommended feed and I keep watching it on loop, gotta get the word out there.

[@athena1491]

"Please dont harrass anyone at youtube" us: "nah... imma do my own thing"

[@Shadowsoul2701]

I've seen content farms literally reuploading previous videos with no change at all, and yet stuff like this happens... What's even happening at KZbin HQ?

[@Smoldragoncat]

Partying if I could guess

[@SadToffee]

alright, community. time to make this go viral yeah? I'm not seeing Rowby get screwed over by KZbin.

[@terrypennington2519]

Yeah, hopefully we make a big enough noise that more bigger KZbinrs like maybe Penguinz0 notices it. I'm personally optimistic about it, because Rowby has virtually all the evidence he needs to counter what YT's official stance is, the trick now is to just generate enough noise

[@CaitofFate]

Idk who rowby is but I'm pissed, thanks for your work community go-er

[@DrevanTheHuman]

I am yet another person who has never heard of you or seen your stuff. The algorithm's working boys! Keep it up!

[@jonathanX01]

This is actually a massive problem at KZbin. I see this issue a lot.

[@anthonyoliver418]

KZbin literally just said your entire job is a stealing, and just removed all your income for potentially forever

[@Movedchanelssss]

@@dabd8175 me

[@maxwellmegagamer8535]

@@dabd8175bot

[@noha4309]

@@dabd8175 people with morals

[@Ventorath]

KZbin is not a job. Some people make it work anyway - great for them!. But repeated issues like this is why it's an INCREDIBLE risk to make it your sole income, even if you have enough of an audience to pay your bills otherwise.

[@merlin9845]

​@@dabd8175 Stop spamming the same comment on the same video and go do something else. Once is already enough.

[@AZHYMOVS]

I really hope they can fix this. It's quite clear they haven't looked into it properly which is a real shame because it's very clear if they had that your content is original. If it is because of that clip that is just disappointing. I wish you the best and really hope they can solve this for you.

[@LC-uh8if]

What gets me is not that they want to control what can be monetized, but that they are so cloak and dagger about it and not consistent. I suspect the real reason some sites are so secretive is they don't want you to know in case they're wrong. So, they dig in their heels and hide behind "We can't tell you what you did wrong" so that you can never be certain why and go after them.

[@GovQsalia]

youtube sometimes tries to act like your parent... the fuck am i gonna know if i don't know the reason i'm being punished

[@o0_VanYsH_0o]

Unbelievable that it's come to this. I'll be sharing this around the community and passing the word along. This is KZbin's rules LITERALLY BEING WEAPONIZED TO ATTACK THE CREATORS THEY ARE TRYING TO PROTECT. Unbelievable, and Unacceptable.

[@thewinterprince1731]

Somebody really needs to just sue youtube by this point, even if they know they'll lose.

[@ikoiko3039]

Sue them for what? KZbin can demonetize and delete whatever channel they want. "Content Creators" are not owed money just because they say so.

[@shawnio]

terms of service

[@kwaaakity]

@@ikoiko3039 demonitize? sure, delete? unfortunately,they dont have that legal protection,thats the legal protection for publishers,youtube is not legally considered a publisher,just as facebook and twitter arent,they are not legally able to,but because theyre mega corporations,they get to do whatever they want,because whos going to stop them?

[@kllause6681]

@@ikoiko3039 Yeah that kind of goes out the window when they actively are paying people for their work and to put advertisements on their work. If enough people took them to court, or even just filed a class action theyd definitely win, considering ATP youtubers should be considered a form of employment (or at least self employment) under youtube, as a company. If you are employing people to actively make their livelihoods off your platform, under NO circumstance, should you have the right to say "yeah sorry, our machines messed up so we're just not gonna pay your for 3 months" (if not longer). While yes YT is definitely a much more "grey area" when put up against other jobs, it still is a job in its own right and should be treated as such. This is even more the case for how they have handled cases of copyright and fair use. But that is a whole other topic. I reccommend checking out business casuals video on it.

[@hickory654]

​@@ikoiko3039 KZbin creators live like a factory worker in the 1910s, with the only person capable of deciding how their life proceeds being their corporate landlord. Broke that axe? You owe bossman a new one out the company store, and the company gets to keep your monopoly money store credit cards because you broke it. Too bad! The only missing ingredient is hard labour. I'm sorry, but fuck that and fuck anyone who thinks that's how a corporation can behave in the modern world.

[@ChrissieBear]

Age of Noob had a similar problem. His channel was demonetized 2 months ago because two of his videos were archived "making of" videos from a video game disk that were remastered to 4k. The rest of his content was original videos examining said video game franchise's mechanics and doing guides, as well as talking about its history. His channel was remonetized 2 weeks ago.

[@ragnarokisnotreal]

I have so much respect for you and I hope that KZbin fixes up as this was not deserved in the slightest.

[@JustaJunkie438]

Damn you were becoming one of my favorite content creators then they screw you over with this. I hope it gets fixed!

[@Freeze_Art]

I've had my fair share of issues with dumb things, like copyright. I made a couple of AMVs and I've accepted despite the fact I heavily edited the vids, I'll never make money from it. But I've had vids get copyright striked for music I had in the background of a vid that was royalty free but some numbnut claimed it in the system and therefore it gets copyright striked... I hate the YT system, it's so punishing for small creators

[@ConiferConnieTreeCow]

omg that happened to me too, i made an original song using a backing track that was allegedly copyright free because i got it from youtube's own copyright free audio library, and my video got claimed because someone decided they owned the copyright free music 🙃🙃

[@worstleagueplayerever9671]

One second is enough to destroy an entire life.

[@ktinga1]

I've never even seen your channel before, but now I'm mad about this. Liked, subbed, and watched. Might even watch it a few more times.

[@AlightBlaze]

every week youtube burns a small channel to the ground

[@AlexiosTheSixth]

Which is why the "just be patient, your channel will grow if you stick at it" argument everyone makes to small channels is so infuriating.

[@four-en-tee]

@@AlexiosTheSixth Honestly: the way you make any footing on this site is to just say or do the most bombastic shit in whatever field it is you're working within. Like, if you had to pick between two videos named "Fallout 4 is a decently adequate experience" and "FALLOUT 4 SUCKS DONKY DICK AND HERES WHY", which would you click? (the typo is intentional, don't @ me) This site is all about baiting people to engage with your stuff. Whether thats making videos, farming likes on your comments, streaming random bullshit, what have you. The only area where this really doesn't seem to apply atm is with YT shorts. Those just have to either be funny or have a satisfying loop because everyone on the internet in 2023 is a fucking ADHD robot.

[@joedingo7022]

This is basically par for the course at this point for KZbin, they seem to go out of their way to make this platform as bad for creators as possible.

[@10p6]

Someone with big pockets should sue Google / KZbin in a class action, as they de-monitize, but still play videos of which THEY keep making money of our work, and to them that is OK. NOT!

[@lightning_11]

If KZbin would just be more clear about what you actually did wrong, so many of these problems could be avoided.

[@greg.mp4581]

Christ dude KZbin needs help hope this issue gets resolved soon

[@sinistarman]

This is big BS, I can't believe that KZbin would let this happen. Hoping the channel is fixed soon.

[@LVnative]

Best of luck to you. I have really enjoyed some of your "Jerks Guide" DbD videos and I hope this issue gets resolved ASAP.

[@finn_underwood]

And of course KZbin is more focused on fighting back against adblockers. Because that's definitely where the priorities should be here.