YouTube Is Losing To The Adblockers...

Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! This time we take a look at what appears to be KZbin and it's push on blocking ad blockers. This has prompted some of the top extensions to further their methods and put KZbin at the razor edge of detection. Will KZbin continue to funnel money to this endeavor and potentially violate the law internationally? Let's find out!
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[@SomeOrdinaryGamers]

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[@Fungfetti]

Muta Are you an adblocker

[@Saladbloke]

​@@Fungfettihar

[@turtlesrprettycool3379]

No

[@quppyqup]

W

[@turtlesrprettycool3379]

Yes

[@tinypixiebread]

I appreciate how well KZbin is doing to keep community together fighting against them. - Removed Dislike number, community made add-on showing Dislike again - Forcing scummy ads, community made add-on to fix that

[@gorillamasterofgaming5525]

the dislikes on youtube are so useless in my eyes anyways. most videos will naturally get more likes than dislikes unless the video is obviously bullshit or its gets widespread negative attention.

[@ceinwenchandler4716]

@@gorillamasterofgaming5525 Not the point. We just don't like being told what to do.

[@NetBattler]

@@gorillamasterofgaming5525 you're in the minority if you think dislike numbers are useless.

[@TheDaxter11]

@@gorillamasterofgaming5525 Dislikes keep you from going to a shady "how to" video that doesn't actually help you at best and tries to get you to install viruses onto your computer at worst.

[@NickPaz174]

The community made an add on that shows the dislike number again?? What’s it called?

[@toufusoup]

One rule of the internet: you tell it what to do and it’ll do the exact opposite. KZbin had it coming.

[@User_yhvz]

I don’t mind it. It’s just the weird shady Ad’s on the homepages now.

[@Based_Gigachad_001]

So KZbin is a cat?

[@Nogardtist]

if you watch youtube in incognito mode the fear mongering tab dont appear at all meaning it only target people that signed in and if you dont sign in what they gonna do absolutely nothing so if you watch youtube but never comment this can be the result but the problem you get more garbage content in alien language cause their algorithm is as dumb as the whole corporation

[@emma6648]

Which is sad especially when it comes to CP

[@devilslayer3548]

So like a 5 year old

[@Kfimenenpah]

As a long time Adblock enthusiast I have to say I did not even know that there was such a thing as scam ads on youtube... God bless the AdBlocker

[@17leadermemesupreme84]

I think it is country specific, in my country, I only get ads from legitimate companies

[@espinita.]

Yeah I've been using ad blockers for a while and whenever I see an ad it literally takes me a back

[@MegamanTheSecond]

i havent seen any ads in 10 years this whole situation showed me i should 100% always use adblockers the ads youtube are running now are insane its like begging to get scammed or a virus on your pc

[@666dynomax]

theres ads on youtube now??

[@paawian]

Adblocking is not just for convenience, it's also for safety.

[@MidnightNoxy]

If KZbin is going to be so adamant that their Terms of Service require people to view ads by not having an adblocker, then they should be made liable for if any of their users are scammed due to the ads they were forced to see.

[@Unidentified_Entity6]

tons of ads are malicious, if you care about your security in any way you need an adblocker

[@mattz9268]

And they should actually UPDATE their TOS. There's nothing there about Adblockers; nothing at all. Which makes sense being they haven't updated it since January of 2022.

[@rusty8684]

People should also be able to charge youtube for data usage

[@Real_MisterSir]

Also they should pay back the billions of illegally collected ad revenue from false flag demonetizations. I will not respect KZbin TOS as long as KZbin themselves don't respect their own TOS.

[@bluecat123drogongod3]

​@@Unidentified_Entity6well my bro i Just the right tools to do that aka Brave Browser 101 lmao

[@realprion]

My fear is the war between adblockers and KZbin will turn into a game of "how invasive is this company willing to become." It's an armsrace, and once one site finds out how far they can go it's a matter of time before all of them copy it. That said, ads are dumb and KZbin smells bad.

[@JoanWhack]

It’s already against the law in the EU, because of the invasion of privacy. The EU is not afraid of taking action like it did with Apple

[@jfk4668]

​@@christoferpezetttTake your meds.

[@caleb7674]

Many have tried and failed in the decade plus of adblockers existing. Its a war of attrition and the brave souls that run these extensions are driven with purpose and a burning hatred of ads and profit driven sites just cannot match that energy.

[@realprion]

@@caleb7674 This is true! I'm glad people are still running these extensions, but times are changing and so is the tech. The future of warfare has dawned. I just don't want companies to get any more invasive with their stuff than they already are, it's concerning what we're willing to accept and allow. That's the issue too, companies try to push the bar slowly to see how much they can do before people complain. KZbin pushed too far this time, I think they're going to come up with something else equally terrible that nobody will talk about.

[@michaelbuto305]

I mean just look at these youtuber, feeling like they winning. Dude we not winning in any way just because adblock perform better. KZbin might starting to charge more percentage(Maybe from Content Creator ? Maybe the ADS now going crazier) which is ideal and acceptable to cover loses. I always thought how the f many companies just dont see the thing. Then i understand, manipulate people in internet are WAY WAY easier specially when Profits/Incentive are said. If you use iPhone, then you know that Apple Music cost 5$ a month which is whatever. Then you compare KZbin Premium which you can use on Apple + Android and watching Videos with no ads etc. By comparison, its not even hold a candle specially the cross platform part. Man.. something is bound to happen. I fear if Google follow those Subscription Snakeoil marketing, then probably something like Steam also follow the suit. Its more than worrying for me. NGL.

[@tonihasacat2164]

My personal problem with KZbin ads is the same as with those on TV. I don't really care for the products or scams promoted and just go and do other stuff during the ad break it gives me. What I absolutely hate and will forever be pissed about is the fact that video ads, whereever and whenever they are used, are so much louder than the videos or shows you watch. They should be happy I'm letting them subtly influence my brain while I'm trying to sleep, but I always get woken up and end up pissed at said ad. So pissed, I make a point of looking for other brands if I ever need a product they promote. I have a damn list of brands and products I refuse to use simply because the ads are too loud or too obnoxious to let me sleep through them.

[@lieutenanteclipse9975]

Actually no, my personal problem is the fact that KZbin Ads ISN'T like TV ads. It's not just KZbin but KZbin is the worst offender. All the double standards of punishing normal content creators but letting malicious or scam ads reign free, the term "unalive" even having to exist unironically... No, but the worst is they listen in through your phone. Everyone deny it, but it's true they are spying on what you're saying. One day I was thinking about getting a new watch. Nothing crazy, just a Titus, something that isn't an Apple Watch or a G-Shock. Never looked up a watch on my phone or computer, and after I said it a few times out loud in conversations I'm suddenly getting ads for watches that I normally don't. Okay, that's fine, watches being luxury products, seeing ads here is normal(ish). Second contender was way worse. I have a superior at work who does Feng Shui shit on the side. I've never been interested or cared about these as I see them as superstition and never even look up anything pseudo-science ever. Casually mentioning this fact in conversations has once again make KZbin show me ads about seeing destiny and Feng Shui and shit, which isn't an ads from the regular roster for sure. That's when I knew they absolutely listen in on you, and my ad blocker on my computer is never gonna be turned off. If I go to a website that forces me to turn it off or it won't show that content? Too bad, I ain't reading that.

[@EmeraldEyesEsoteric]

Yeah, that 10 hour video of relaxing thunderstorm sounds experience just wouldn't be complete without at least 100 snake oil salesman plugging their products while you sleep. Come rain sleet or hail, nothing stops the marketer in his quest for money.

[@JasmonTP]

I record my shows, when I get to a commercial......fast forward.

[@krullachief669]

I really have to thank the KZbin dev team for pushing for adblocker advancements even further in the past month or so compared to the last three years. Just, thank you for your service youtube.

[@questcore636]

lol $22/mo to go ad free on one site, google must be on drugs, $5 maybe, but still not paying that until it blocks ads internetwide, kinda defeats the reason i use it to begin with, when I build $4400 on a PC, I want to protect my investment

[@nightmarerex2035]

resistance is assistance.

[@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135]

@@nightmarerex2035 1000% no cap

[@Rebound1234]

Using adblock becomes mandatory for me when I'm looking at tutorials, trying to learn something. I was using a machine at my school that did not have ad block the other day and the site served me an ad (the same one too) 8 TIMES when I was skipping around the video to find the relevant section. It broke my train of thought and aggravated me to the point that looking at the video was pointless. I don't mind when ads are reasonable but from personal experience they very often are not.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

newpipe, from f-droid .. save the tutorial

[@Delimon007]

This right here. . . For example, if I watch twitch without an ad blocker, it's around 2-3 mins of ads for 10-20 mins of watching. . . How about no? I wouldn't mind every couple of hours, anything more than that is a hard pass for me.

[@Timboyxxx]

Yeah.... An ad every 3-5 mins is WAY too excessive.

[@saskia8567]

I'm getting ads every 4 minutes on the dot in my web browser. I think I'm part of some test. It's just rediculous. Some are 1-2 minutes long! I installed an auto skipper for yt. I'm not reaching over to press skip every 4 freaking minutes!

[@fladagreat]

I would probably watch ads if they didn't have an anime girl saying shit like " Don't worry, I won't hesitate to kill you" or random models with their stuff hanging out. It's like KZbin is TRYING to turn me into a horny incel and I fucking hate it.

[@marzipancutter8144]

I love how Gabe Newells quote "piracy is a service issue" keeps being relevant for every single one of these discussions where inflexible supply can't meet with the actual demand.

[@GM-fw3wm]

yeat they ruined regional pricing and game recommended pricing in general which increased the count of people turning to piracy, the piracy subreddits member influx proves my point

[@felixjohnson3874]

Agree for the most part, but for content the supply/demand metric really breaks down. Piracy is just another form of market balance, a less savoury one to be sure, but a balance none-the-less. No-one likes scalpers for instance, but they invest their own money into buying stock which they then sell in an attempt to profit from the market shortage with higher prices which normalizes the market to the true equilibrium price. If they're weren't scalpers at all, the shortage would just be hard; instead of being able to buy some at MSRP, some at 10% higher, some at 20% higher, etc. and then paying what price you are willing to at the ACTUAL equilibrium price, you just couldn't buy them at all. That may sound better since 'eventually' everyone can buy one at MSRP, but that ignores time-cost. Even with scalpers anyone who wants to wait it out can, scalpers just let people who would rather spend more to have it now be able to do so by keeping items stocked in an otherwise dry-supply. Ad blocking / piracy though isn't really measurable in terms of supply or demand. Its the same general concept sure, but it's still very different in meaningful ways. For instance, why does youtube have a 'monopoly'? Simple, creators would rather bitch and moan then take 10 minutes and setup content mirroring to other platforms. Its free, it takes no work, and it supports alternates, yet they don't do it. The obvious marginal benefit is to their viewers, but the obvious marginal cost is to them so even though the total benefit to them still exceeds the total cost to them, its easier to stay lazy and just get your viewers riled up against youtube. Sure you COULD give your viewers the power to stop relying on yiutube as much, but its easier for YOU to just keep youtube as the devil and pretend to lead the crusade against them. (cough cough rossman cough cough) It has nothing really to do with any meaningful measure of 'supply' or 'demand', it's just general market reactions & normalization which always happens in lieu of EXTREMELY exigent circumstances or government intervention.

[@bigd5899]

@@GM-fw3wm maybe gaben just wanted to prove his point lol

[@RandyMarsh8]

Since when are people not just using brave browser?

[@1marcelfilms]

Service issue my ass. Why pay for things that you can get for free

[@disposable_income_andy]

Fun fact! Despite what KZbin claims, there is NOTHING about ads nor adblock in their ToS. they couldn't even be bothered to update their own rules to fit.

[@cap5435]

I used to watch ads, but they increased their frequency. I used to pay for premium, but they hiked the prices up. I tried, I really tried. Screw youtube, greedy corporate schmucks they'll never see another dollar from me again

[@21Handguns]

Considering KZbin is allowing ads that sponsor Temu, I will gladly use an adblocker if it means giving them less money

[@jeffreypeters5578]

Bro i bought 3 wifes from china with trimmed bushes ft only 1 std for 39.99 from temu give um a little credit ok

[@21Handguns]

@@jeffreypeters5578 yes officer, this comment right here

[@Tieigo0]

Annoying music smh 💀

[@NetBattler]

@@jeffreypeters5578 yeah this is satire

[@jeffreypeters5578]

​@@NetBattler Xi Jinping does not approve this message.Biden family is in trouble now

[@tobydabox]

When I heard about KZbin's anti-adblock campaign, I immediately knew they were going to lose this fight, they were ALWAYS going to lose this fight.

[@robr135]

boooo

[@user-kp9nk9qp8y]

Not only that they *NO* expectations on this on the verge they did more worse than they have ever did of removing dislikes, Absolute losers.

[@NetBattler]

​@@christoferpezetttleast annoying bot on KZbin:

[@ashercd6487]

@@christoferpezettt yeah, _suure_

[@NetBattler]

@@christoferpezettt that's what bot going to say and I'm not your lil bro,bro.

[@donallally1992]

What I hate most is they give you the option to skip the ads in 5 seconds, but then the ad finishes in 4.9 seconds forcing you onto the 2nd ad with a skip option or you have to wait out the timer.

[@lieutenanteclipse9975]

AND if you don't press skip they get comfortable in showing you double ads, except you literarlly CANNOT press skip.

[@EmeraldEyesEsoteric]

What I hate most is when the AD is 30 minutes to an hour long. Sometimes I'll put on a video just to listen to while I'm cleaning my house or something, and the short ADs don't bother me, but when enough time has passed I have to stop everything I'm doing and return to my computer to skip the dang thing.

[@remingtonryder]

Imagine if KZbin put as much effort into filtering out obvious scam and obnoxious ads as they do into blocking adblock. It would be almost like they wouldn't be in the position they're in.

[@Unguided]

Honestly, there needs to be a class action against KZbin for running scam ads.

[@dukewild5071]

Damn right. Best part is the fact it's the fault of the people at the top. Those scum of the earth

[@Prplex.]

I've seen so many it's crazy, I think the Mr beast ones are especially wrong as young kids are more likely to fall for it as its him on yt

[@sihamhamda47]

Yes they need to be sued for extremely poor quality control in their own ad space. Fine them at least $1M for every 1 scam ad displayed, and it would be very effective (as there are millions of scam ads displayed every day)

[@Traveler019]

​@@dukewild5071in india its more than anywhere else already due to low employment many scammers present and scammy ads are too much due to which i rooted and using magisk revanced as well as adaway root mode no ads in any app or site and great performance

[@JBLZFTW]

@@Prplex. the fact that dude is getting ai scam ads of himself on *his own videos* is insane to me

[@fluffyblue4006]

Back in the early days when KZbin had ad banners, it was okay. But the current state of their ad setup is appalling. It's only ad video clips that interrupt content at inconvenient places. The ads are engineered to sound as loud as possible, which makes them really obnoxious. Also on other web sites, we used to see small banners. But now it evolved to active content that jumps at you at an accidental mouse-over. And there's the malicious ad content, out there. I'm protecting myself against all this. Unless the ad business comes so its senses and stops being so obnoxious, I'll keep on doing that. Premium is also not an option. If I'd get premium, I feel like I'm implicitly approving of KZbin's content policies, the state of their GUI, the disappearing dislike numbers and the way they handle controversial topics, speech and even individual words.

[@RazorM97]

KZbin still uses ad banners. I see them every time on the main page when I load the site in incognito mode

[@oosha2000]

Ngl I missed it when yt had no ads at all.

[@CalsGirl97]

Exactly, especially on that premium point. I want to support creators but I don't want to support KZbin itself after all the shady shit over the years.

[@connivingkhajiit]

Use adblockers and donate directly to creators

[@ColonelForkEyes]

Honestly that applies to almost every website back in the late 90s to mid 00's. Most websites were funded with banner ads, and we were cool with it. Sometimes the product was relevant and we bought it. Other times, it wasn't and we ignored it. But then at some point, not only did the vigilance over what ads were being served but all of a sudden we got the quasi-malware browser hijacks, unrequested new tabs, pop-up windows, bandwidth-hogging AV ads, malicious cookies etc etc. The websites seemed to have no control over what was being included in advertisements, from the content itself to the malicious scripts embedded in seemingly innocent ones. So of course we ended up feeling obliged to run adblockers, websites failed due to advertiser withdrawal. Now we are seeing the same thing happen just within apps instead of websites.

[@randomgamingstuff2523]

as someone who uses an adblocker and doesn’t gaf about what KZbin says this is an absolute win

[@Rathmun]

3:40 "Or I wait the five seconds to skip the ad." When you can, sure. The last ad I ever saw on youtube before installing an adblocker was a *_Thirty Minute_* unskippable pre-roll on a five minute video. I'm sure it won't surprise you to learn I did NOT watch the whole thing. When I saw how long it was I left and installed an adblocker, then came back to watch the actual video. Installing an adblocker took less time than watching that ad. A lot less.

[@dmj271095]

If KZbin think I'm uninstalling my AdBlockers, they're dreaming. not only is it inconvenient, it's dangerous to not have an AdBlock nowadays. And the AdBlock I had on my browser didn't even work for KZbin, it was just there to stop the popup ads and trackers. I was still getting KZbin ads but when they rolled out their adblocker blockers it targeted me anyway. Technically KZbin struck first in this war and forced me to install better AdBlocks just to be able to still use the site. They 100% brought this upon themselves!

[@MrBark1969]

Bro it's not some kind of war 😂😂😂😂

[@ramilyusupov1573]

which one are you using now? they also disabled mine.

[@bonevgm]

@@ramilyusupov1573 Ublock Origin is fine, but I change browser if you are using Chrome. Since it's Google owned you need another one. Brave Browser works well out of the box if you activate the shield (no need for AdBlocker). LibreWolf (Firefox based) with Ublock Origin also works well.

[@hawk_ness]

@@MrBark1969 Its called creative speach...

[@lordtoomas]

@@ramilyusupov1573 Ublock Origin works

[@reeceshugrue6167]

It doesn't matter how much money KZbin puts into an anti-adblock, someone will always create a means to get around it.

[@FallenAngelHiroko]

Exactly. I mean look at passwords and whatnot. We went from "1234abcd" to "12 characters long and must have #,1, A, b". Beaten over the head about phishing scam's, etc. Because no matter how sophisticated your security system is, no matter how careful you are, there will ALWAYS be that dingbat stealing your information. The problem is, they don't have to. We've become so complacent and gullible, we'd GLADLY hand that information over. Because the crooks no longer disguise themselves. They ARE the corperations.

[@james_scotland]

It's no different from trying to prevent piracy.

[@paulrayner6744]

@@james_scotland Exactly this. Piracy is eternal, have these companies learned nothing?? They cannot win this fight

[@gilgazack9403]

@@paulrayner6744 I mean they did won with denuvo, cuz for some reason that to this day 2023, only 3 peeps know how to get around denuvo but one is a confirmed weirdo, other only pirates fifa games and idk what was the problem with the other one, but I don't get why they don't share the secret to the public (Or crack most games)

[@bobboo101]

@@paulrayner6744make a better product than the pirates can provide - gabe

[@Belows682]

im using an adblock rn. found my own lil work around. kick rocks KZbin. love you muta! keep up the good work

[@SyntheticParanoia]

I use ad block on YT as a literal safeguard from scams. Also while accessing YT on my phone for the last 10 years there were zero occasions I bought a product or service that was advertised to me. On the contrary - easiest way to get on my consumption black list is by popping up mid video, while I am watching something on YT.

[@kirkginoabolafia3650]

A story I posted on another video about this: I got a smart TV for my wife recently and I overheard her watching videos in the other room about some weird "natural" diet pill medicine the other day. Thought it was weird of her to be watching that, until I walked in ten minutes later and it turns out she just fell asleep watching KZbin on the TV and there was an HOUR LONG AD of this weird quack medicine playing. The absolute greed of YT to not only punish adblockers, and allow weird and potentially harmful shit to be shown in ads, but to make them an hour long, is just nuts lmao.

[@liquidrufus]

Yeah I've woken up to some weird shit. From sermons, to seminars. The xbox youtube app is just sad.

[@Ashvek]

@@sunnyinnv ever gotten said long ads that are unskippable? i have in the past XD i quickly got an Ad-blocker soon after that safe to say

[@madpie5147]

only stupidly long advertisement runtime i'll ever accept is when they had the entire lego movie as an ad lmao

[@pold111]

with how forced and many ads youtube dishes out, at this point they want you to get an adblocker

[@codyryan9789]

adblock promotion i guess

[@togachan5081]

True. I started using adblock as soon as I started getting double ads and unskippable ads. And worst of all ads were never as frequent as they are now.

[@marlon.8051]

fr, im completely fine with watching ads because youtube is free and it pays content creators and the site to watch ads but when theres so so so many ads and so many scam ads its impossible not to, i think they should try to find an amount of ads that people will be okay with, not by increasing them more and more and more

[@itsjustmaddisen]

@@togachan5081same I just couldn’t take it anymore.

[@advancedprototype_3328]

I’ve gotten 30sec unskippable ads before, Idk how I’ve got them but it has happened.

[@emmas5376]

I wouldn't mind all the ads nearly as much if they were actually moderated. Absolutely cannot stand having blatant scams, hate speech, and insanely sexual imagery (often of copyrighted and underage characters) constantly shoved in my face. Family members who didn't even know adblockers existed before KZbin's campaign against them have downloaded them now because KZbin went out of their way to tell everyone about it. Incredibly stupid in so many ways, great work KZbin!

[@lieutenanteclipse9975]

The fact that they listen in on your phone about your daily conversation and show you ads based on that is extremely invasive and my ad blocker is most definitely not coming off anytime soon.

[@freshairkaboom8171]

My biggest gripe is how they show me ads that are against my moral beliefs. Scam ads, animal product commercials etc. are not welcome. If I can't use adblock these days, I'd just start watching something else.

[@Suirano]

Another thing that makes people not willing to throw money at KZbin for things like Premium is their history. They regularly screw over creators, ignore valid criticism, throw money and protect some of the worst creators, allow fraudulent DMCA abuse constantly and generally shows no care for their userbase. It is hard to sympathize with KZbin's plight. People are more willing to support something if they feel appreciated in some way and feel their voice is heard and KZbin doesn't really do that.

[@AshnSilvercorp]

People have egged on Steam for years, but their gripes pale in comparison to Google. Steam is a company that wants to make money, and all they really have is the gaming market. Google is a company that wants to make a LOT of money, so do there shareholders, and they have claimed giant swathes of markets and touch the entire internet at any given moment. One of them earned trust and a base and they treat their users well while making massive money. The other took the internet by force and dominance, and they believe that goodwill is less important than dominating people into doing what they want for money. Because here we aren't the true customers.

[@jcaesar19871]

I would have been fine paying for a subscription, if KZbin hadn't been protecting criminals on their site

[@EverlastingRain55]

I'm one of the people who had a subscription (ads drive me mad and I watch KZbin a lot on the tv) and cancelled it because of KZbin's horrible response to what happened to Jacksfilms. It was the final straw for me.

[@DePhoegonIsle]

@@EverlastingRain55 Then why are you still on the site supporting the creators that bolster it? If as you say it was such a moral stance, why do you stand in the same building and continue to support it by enabling creators to remain viable on it, which does more to help YT/ABC than one sub does. (btw, I do have a subscription... and frankly I'm just numb to the retardation of politics which seems to be the reason for many things)

[@DePhoegonIsle]

Can't wait till the entire thing shifts and they reallly start limiting videos or requiring some payment to even watch a video. People are acting like this nonsense won't blow their face off as well. Have you really thought about what it would mean if YT snapped its' site closed to most who refuse or can't pay, or just took it down. Do you REALLY want what happened on reddit to happen here? Reddit shut down because power tripping mods got asshurt about api changes on a platform that was bleeding money due to bots. Imagine over a decade of videos .... Gone because no one could come to the table with a solution, and most the end users gave all the choice power to the advertisers because .... YT is free (while being idiots about who is actually paying the bills)

[@DD1982]

KZbin detecting Ad-blockers is also illegal in the EU. So when that thing get's underway, KZbin will likely lose that battle too.

[@niavellir7408]

EU, always being based

[@AManChoosesASlaveObeys]

Government lobbyists will have their field day. When you have so much money to spend on laws, every law is corruptible.

[@DankManPlays]

@@niavellir7408Based when they decide to be, which isn't often

[@OG_ALviK]

@@AManChoosesASlaveObeys KZbin doesn't have much money to spend in lobbying EU Lawmakers and Parlament. If they had, they wouldn't tollerate scummy ads on their platvorm and wouldn't have to fight adblockers.

[@thegoldenatlas753]

​@@niavellir7408i wouldn't say always... They literally in process of killing end to end encryption and killing browser questioning of website security certificates

[@thebadluckbuddha2190]

I definitely learned about adblockers in the first wave of the "ad-pocalypse". I think there was something that showed an increase in ad blockers at that point too. Like they put MORE ads in that essentially punished the viewers that weren't using adblockers by over loading them with ads, and it had zero deterence to those who were using already. So more people turned to adblockers to get around the increase of ads. They just keep shooting themselves in the foot rather than making the ad experience more seamless.

[@Zeppathy]

KZbin: "I'm not saying we'll spam you with ads. I'm just saying that people who don't pay for premium happen to get spammed with ads."

[@realNoMee]

My favorite part of this whole fight is the giant uptick in adblockers being installed because KZbin doesn't realize that most people didn't even know you could block ads before this.

[@total_epicness6776]

Especially now people are flocking to actually good adblockers like ublock

[@ctomczyk]

Alternatively Brave browser can be used with built-in ad blockers.

[@HyperNova808]

@@ctomczyksame with opera gx which is what I personally use (along with a sideloaded app of youtube on ios to give me access to premium features for free which is what I’m currently typing on)

[@jal051]

@@ctomczyk But it doesn't filter as many as ublock. Opera also has a built in blocker, but I use Opera with Ublock.

[@ctomczyk]

@@jal051 Possible. However, I found that Brave is pretty good for a simple browsing.

[@Pipkiablo]

What really gets me about this, and I know this isn't just me because I saw other people saying the same thing, is that if they weren't so incredibly aggressive about this, we might have been more willing to work with them. A simple single, "Hey, we know you don't like ads, but would you maybe consider please turning your adblocker off to help keep our site free?" pop up every session that doesn't actually interfere with our ability to use the site might make us more likely to turn them off. I've seen them on some websites and, as long as the site isn't shady, I'm often happy to oblige just because they asked and didn't demand it. It's like asking a child nicely to put their coat on vs. screaming at them to do it. Sure, there will still be holdouts, but some of them might do as you ask because you asked them nicely. Another thing would be ad moderation. Get rid of the scams and the hate speech disguised as ads. Stop with the risque game ads that contain things that would get content creators demonetized on the spot. Don't put 30 second ads on 10 second videos. If the ad is longer than the video, then it doesn't need an ad. But instead they went straight to screaming and demanding and throwing a tantrum because they didn't get their way, and that makes even some of the people that were on their side about the ads hesitant to defend them.

[@fazdoll]

I agree. I would have been perfectly fine with the same ad structure that has been used by network television for decades: Ads at the beginning, end, and every ~10 minutes during a natural break in the content. At the time, we accepted it because we understood that the ads were paying for expensive sitcom actors, action TV shows, and star NFL players. But unlike, for example, shows like Friends or The X-Files, these YT vids cost next to nothing to make. So why do they need so much ad revenue?

[@Saphia_]

This. And for browser, keep a banner ad showing the whole time. I don't mind that. And I've seen many others say they would be fine with banner ads instead of the loud and disruptive ones.

[@korana6308]

Not only that, but if you knew their profit margins, you would understand that even starting this war was unnecessary. Last year's youtube revenue was 30 billion dollars. They were raking in money even before they started this war. And now it's just pure greed. Bend down your customers and give me more money...

[@logangantner3863]

I had already been in a personal compromise with youtube ads. I blocked them on my pc browsers, where I focus on work and personal research, and I allowed them on my phone, where I listen to music and watch silly videos. They got so aggressive and rude with their insistence on ads across all platforms that I ended up deleting google chrome and started blocking ads on my phone too. Can't say I miss them either.

[@Iceman96051]

My issue is that the ads are too frequent, scams, or too lengthy. I watch longform KZbin videos on my TV and whenever I didn't skip the first 15 second ad, they would play an ad over 2 minutes long requiring me to get up and skip it or just sitting through whatever BS was being said. Yeah, it's not the end of the world but it's extremely annoying when it happens every 10-15 minutes. I got an ad that was over 3 hours long once. Not even kidding. It was a full Brazilian rewards show that was reuploaded as an ad. I live in the US and don't speak Portuguese or Spanish (I'm not sure which it was in). That's how broken and stupid their "targeted ads" can be.

[@kirara2516]

I have a youtube premium family plan in my household, so we don't gets ads, but I do have my ad blocker always active because I'm tired of sneaky pop up ads showing up right over a button I need to click in order to interact with the site I'm visiting. It feels like the ad is purposefully placed there for you to click on instead of the button. It's happened to me too often to warrant ignoring. I've been using premium since it was called KZbin Red. I did the 3 month free trial and liked it enough to pay when it ended. I've managed to live blissfully ignorant of how bad youtube ads have gotten, but I see them from my friends. They are getting out of hand.

[@matshjalmarsson3008]

I am in a country that didn't really have ads on TV or in newspapers, so the whole concept is a bit strange to me. But google reads through my emails, they see what I write on youtube or instagram, and still put up ads for things that are completely uninteresting to me. At best they put up an ad for something I had already bought! It's just so stupid

[@bracken8782]

One thing to specify is that advertisers are actually fine with adblockers. It's *Google* that's fighting this war, and both adblock users and advertisers are yelling at them for this. Advertisers like adblockers being there because it filters out all of the people who would have never clicked on the ad in the first place, making the ad more targeted than it would be otherwise. what google is doing is effectively making advertisers pay more to have their ads ignored.

[@andrewkandasamy]

This right here. I did an internship at an advertising firm and one of their primary metrics for determining campaign performance is clickthrough rate. People that bother to use adblock are people more likely to choose their purchases through word of mouth and reviews anyways rather than clicking on an ad. By avoiding serving ads to this noninteractive demographic, advertisers are more likely to have their ads served to relevant prospective customers and improves clickthrough rate. It also improves price to conversion ratio (amount of money spent on advertisement to customers gained).

[@TessaBain]

There are a ton of reason it's bad, this is just one of them. This is the problem with public companies. The company must chase infinite profits that simply don't exist in reality.

[@Thomas-uz3zf]

Woosh

[@CalsGirl97]

Is this true that advertisers actually don't mind ad blockers? The way you put it makes sense to me, I'd actually like to know how true this is because if so then the only one not on the same page is Alphabet Inc.

[@connivingkhajiit]

@Darklovefly The thing is, youtube has never been profitable. They could gey away with that for the time being by having constant user growth. Now, they have to find a way to make some sort of profit and theyre scrounging the users as much as they can.

[@dogbackwards7658]

KZbin has burned away all their good faith with years of disrespect. They deserve to be hit like this. I hope people can cancel their premium subscriptions and donate to adblockers instead.

[@russellmania5349]

Adblockers provide a way better service and are a lot cheaper too.

[@johnsmith361]

True, I would sooner pay double the amount of KZbin Premium for an adblocker than give KZbin a rusted penny. And it's all thanks to KZbin's years of disrespect, rampant censorship and hypocrisy.

[@oldestcharm]

I only have premium because I used to work outdoors and listened on my phone. Suppose I still do but maybe it's time to look into some alternatives.

[@SpectacleSpark]

@@oldestcharmget a mp3/4 player, that’s what I have. Mine can play and listen to mp3’s and mp4’s. I used to have premium to listen to my music at night, but now I have a device that lasts 2-3 days of battery life listening to music lol

[@angel_of_rust]

people that even pay for a youtube subscription are part of the real problem.

[@robertz2557]

I am now looking into how to stop ads on my appletv. the amount of ads now has just gotten out of hand. now that you mentioned i can possible put it at my router level I guess that is where i need to go next. I cant run an adblocker on my appletv but man the 30+ sec ads then the non-skip ads is just out of control. I dont know if content creators choose which ads to use or how many but if i wanted that many ads i would watch cable tv. Great video and thanks for the info.

[@psyivy9169]

As a person on the spectrum with hearing sensory issues, add blockers are a must for me, because I literally experience immense pain and stress in response to certain sounds. Food advertisements love to emphasize the exact sounds that trigger me, and youtube insists on constantly showing fast food adds at obnoxiously loud volumes. I know its not the intention but it feels ablest, because having to pay for premium just to make the site usable feels like taxing someone for using a wheelchair ramp, instead of a staircase. Needless to say I'm never going to stop using adblockers in general, and I'm not about to start feeling bad about it for some multi billion dollar corpo monopoly.

[@super5niki]

@sMansGuitars Dailymotion has gotten almost as bad, it forces you to remove ad block and the ads are unskippable if the video has them. I tried to watch Doctor Who series 11 episode 1 and lost track of how many times the ads popped up, not to mention they cut the final few min of the episode so I had to look it up on YT. Episode 2 had no ads but again cut the final few min of the episode when they were first walking into the TARDIS. Kind of sad to see it like this since I watched most of classic Who on it, they were missing a bunch of major episodes sadly but I got to see most of it, that was around 2013 I want to say.

[@terrypennington2519]

A thought occured to me; There are significantly more people on the internet and especially KZbin that don't use adblockers, whether it be because of indifference, or because they don't how to install them, or are even completely unaware of their existence. Google deciding to start this little crusade of theirs against adblockers has actually caused the adblockers themselves to become more widely known, and thus more people may become inclined to use them despite Google's attempts to get rid of them.

[@lemonmelon1883]

@devilselbow More like Cobra Effect: in an attempt to stamp out the problem they’ve accidentally made it worse

[@zama422]

@@lemonmelon1883 They both describe the exact same thing.

[@hokagab]

That's me, I didn't mind skippable ads before, but then they started giving me multiple ads in a row that I can't even skip and are longer, no thanks.

[@mflax4331]

Yes, very shortsighted move. Advertising your adversary is the most likely outcome. People don't like to be pushed into a bad corner. And international security agencies (like the FBI) advice people to use adblockers for their own internet security.

[@Phoenix2312]

Very True - I did not really care about Ad's on KZbin for a long time... I only started using Ad-Blockers because on other websites teh ad's were really intrusive!!! They still are... I like to follow gaming and stuff.. And I play a lot of Genshin Impact, so I often look up details of new updates or even guides to puzzles and with No Adblocker... You will get to read about 3 lines of text before the screen is FILLED WITH F**KING POPUPS!!!! On KZbin, I would simply wait the 5 seconds and skip the adverts... The only place it really annoyed me was Playing Adverts between songs on the playlist I have made of my Favourite Tunes... That messes with my mental health something terrible - music is my antidepressant - Interrupt it - I go CRAZY! And it gets worse - Since KZbin started its war on Ad-Block, and they cannot put the blame on Creators here as its very obvious that in many cases it is KZbin themselves embedding the ads... On some videos from BIG COMPANIES... WhatCulture being one.... A 10 Minute Video can be interrupted by about 3 DOUBLE ADVERT BREAKS! Now, I know its NOT added by WhatCulture as when they do have Ad's in their videos... They DELIBERATLY time them to come between Entries on their countdown lists... KZbin DOES NOT and will insert them WHEN A CERTAIN TIME HAS PASSED!!! Meaning you could be watching a Video of the 10 Most Underrated Horror Gems and be interested to hear how Jason Voorhees inspired - SHOP LIKE BILLIONAIRE!!!! - HALF WAY THROUGH A SCRIPTED PART, BLOODY ADVERTS! But as KZbin pestered - I turned off my Adblock... I Use Opera GX.. and its Turned off... No Ad Block... ... Yet for the last week, NO ADVERTS! I have NOT signed up for KZbin Premium, I wont as its too expensive for too little and it does NOT benefit Content Creators... Yet ALL ADVERTS HAVE SUDDENLY STOPPED!!! KZbin really has signed their own death warrant! This is a war they will never win!

[@Nachokinz]

Ever since I started using an Adblocker in the early 2010s, viruses haven't been an issue at all. I consider it essential to browse the internet and is the first extension to Firefox downloaded every time; there is no rationalizing dangerous content delivery. I never have to worry about my parents being misled and exploited by internet advertisements with the combo of OS Linux Mint and Ublock in Firefox; there is no negotiating my parents online safety. I directly support the content creators that I enjoy with a donation; so I will never apologize about utilizing an Adblocker, and will continue to do so regardless of what others think.

[@MoiraWillenov]

You are a HERO dear sir.

[@DudeSoWin]

Their own search engine is promoting Ads mixed into the search results that offer counterfeit software to hack influential web developers and hijack software supply lines.

[@Rensenware]

W.

[@npcimknot958]

ya.. that is a big reason.. the pop ups.. and you click too fast. and you're f.. we need the condom of the internet - adbllockers. i have 3

[@neoasura]

FIrefox + uBlock Origin + Noscript makes exploring the internet a MUCH better experience, like the old days in the 00s, and I never got any virus that I know of.

[@abelingaw5070]

This is why I always tell people that once they entered the internet, the word privacy literally morphs into a question mark.

[@meh_tr0]

I personally think ad-blockers are really important for older family members. It stops them from clicking on scam ads and saves them from getting scammed from some indian call center or getting some sort of malware on their computer

[@3dness449]

The ironic thing is that the people that doesn't even know about the existence of ad blockers, now are aware about them! A couple of friends were asking me how to install ad blockers and a coworker asked me to install it for her so she could listen to music without interruption. Now that's what I call a backfire!

[@Buttersaemmel]

that's exactly what people predicted when youtube started blocking adblocker. as well as the arms race that ultimately will just hurt youtube. i just don't get how random people on the internet can predict that, but not youtubes management...

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

yea, it backfire hard.. the "not allowed to watch videos" block was great as well.. people got curious on what other browsers was around when it popped up.. It made me start and use a sussy browser with bitcoin features (that i dont use or care for) ..

[@markokaplic9328]

which one do you use? help a brother out

[@lalosalamanca1z]

@@markokaplic9328 Currently, uBlock is the best one to use after the changes. Make sure to Purge all caches in the uBlock settings regularly because YT keeps patching all the versions.

[@rodrigofreitas3288]

Yeah, my brother suddenly started talking about ad blockers out of nowhere, soon he will no longer want to use windows on his PC.

[@Mr.Genesis]

Data privacy is so incredibly important.. When a tech company can digitally recreate you without you ever interacting with them it gets scary

[@NetBattler]

So like battle network. I love the modern internet.

[@TheHammerofDissidence]

Tech companies cannot recreate me due to my virulent racism. It's their kryptonite.

[@ElvixErty]

i have a browser i use thats based called librewolf that lets me track how many trackers have been blocked and its been 5,671 so far which is insane considering i only ever use like two or three websites

[@GenghisD0ng]

Yes the annoyance of seeing the ad is one thing ,the other is the amount of tracking that is linked to that. Adblock devs recommend Firefox because they block this better, have more rights etc. Chrome devs also just choose to not fix bugs that cause the browser to send this data before they can block it

[@ElvixErty]

@@GenghisD0ng chrome is essentially spyware at this point, but firefox is not only faster but blocks these trackers better and so far im happy in my decision

[@tymmiara5967]

It's not only about scams, but the fact that now, more and more often you cannot skip the ads and they become longer and longer. They also show up now in the middle of videos (which didn't happen two years ago). It used to be that the unskippable ads were 5 seconds long, now they can be 20s long. Apart from that, they are incredibly loud. This only shows that KZbin is just deliberately wasting people's time. They now make disproportionately more money from each view and since the cost of running the service is proportional to the traffic, this increase in ad time only shows they are greedy for money.

[@chris_1988]

I used to whitelist KZbin from my Adblockers because I wanted to support the creators who have 100% replaced the need for any kind of TV or other paid entertainment service for me personally. However, the ads started getting more and more aggressive (shit like a 15 second ad immediately followed by a 10 minute ad which made it impossible to just put your phone somewhere and watch a playlist of videos while having wet / dirty hands) and eventually I went back to blocking all ads on KZbin (currently through Brave Browser's integrated adblocking system).

[@xXVibrantSnowXx]

I'm happy i've never disabled my adblockers for many years, & i don't regret it, youtube didn't have ads when it first was created, they're just forcing it

[@DawnOfTheOzz]

It does get very freaking creepy at how companies will try to thrust advertising in your face, especially stuff that is supposedly tailor made for your online experience. Like, I've had times where I searched for products online like a desk or appliances and, almost immediately, places like KZbin and Facebook will start shoving ads for desks right in my face. It's enough to drive a man paranoid.

[@TrickySpirit]

If you speak around a microphone, either a phone or a computer, about a topic the same thing will happen. It's something Google has basically admitted to, when pressed on it they said they had services that were voice activated so the systems were always listening. So if you're talking about something and Google autocompletes with that, or ads start showing it without prior prompts, you know why!

[@broeheemed32]

@@TrickySpirit - Maybe I'll try an experiment. We'll start having lurid conversations about cocaine-and-witchcraft lesbian orgies, and see what kind of advertising that generates.

[@angelaharris53]

It gets even creepier when you search for those things on a disconnected machine and then start seeing ads for them on your personal computer.

[@samssa7813]

​@@angelaharris53if you had your phone in your pocket it does that

[@Llama_charmer]

@@angelaharris53 I mean if you are signed into the same google/microsoft accounts on those devices then it kinda makes sense. Its not good, but its no worse than them just listening to your device

[@Eener1000]

The only reason I got an adblocker was because ads got insufferable. Before that I was fine with a few ads. Ad companies can take from that what they want.

[@mehakverma7043]

Like literally 2 ads is too much, especially when they're unskippable. And they are so loud and obnoxious for no reason

[@markokaplic9328]

which one do you use? help a brother out

[@bane2201]

​@@markokaplic9328 Can't write it since the comment goes to the Shadow Realm. Muta says it at 3:47. (He says the plural form of the second word, but it's the singular form. Just saying that to make it easier for you to find.)

[@Lostouille]

And they just changed the skip button by making it smaller. Now if you miss it you press the full screen version to wAtCh tHe Ad 🙂🙃🙂🙃🙂

[@ulf7279]

a ten minute youtube video i had 4 ad breaks.. that was my breaking point

[@turntapeover5749]

The actual endgame of youtube is to try to brute force premium on the audience because they know it has absolutely zero value outside of removing a ads and adding a mobile phone feature you can already use on browser intead of the app. Subscription wise, Nebula is cheaper to sub to, it has no ads and a ton of content. KZbin is expensive and the main feature is no ads. Their war on ads is just a scare tactic. As long as they see their subs go up they're happy. But so far, it massively backfired because Im sure it made other streaming website subs go up and youtube views go down. And they lost all the good advertiser because of a series of bad decisions and a general laissez-faire attitude because they prefer to let a mathematic formula do their work for them. But the shareholders need more growth and they can't do it with ads because they do less and less money out of it so......force a sub on people.

[@DingleFlop]

Since having ads enabled for a couple days, I got exposed to such beautiful advertisements as a 3d animation of a wasp literally buttraping a honey bee to promote a mobile game...

[@YourPoopDealer]

From what I understand, there was something of a stalemate between adblockers and ad companies. Ad companies knew that people using adblockers would be less likely to engage with their products anyways, so they didn't attempt to try and circumvent adblockers, while the adblockers themselves didn't attempt to make any advancements since there would be no need to. Google's attempt to force users to watch ads effectively ends that stalemate. On top of that, some people use an adblocker like ad nauseam, which doesn't just block ads, but also "clicks" ads, effectively making it seem like whichever site is hosting the ad is driving traffic to the product, regardless of how true it is. Google has already shown that they're willing to go to extreme lengths when a fire isn't lit under them. Remember web environment integrity, which was basically DRM for the internet? They're trying to do it again only on a smaller scale with Android phones in an attempt to kill modified youtube apps. There's something called thermic demand or something similar to that, which basically describes a willingness to put up with changes up to a certain extent, but once that line gets crossed, the change is so drastic and fast that it can destroy a company. Think about unity and their attempt to charge per install. It was one change after all the others that effectively ruined their image, and may very well ruin their future as a company. Google has been getting DOJ threats, and has been firing employees left and right, so part of me thinks that they're attempting to cut the fat off of their business and squeeze every last dollar in an attempt to brace for an impact of some kind; possibly that the government no longer sees keeping them as powerful as they are to be a viable strategy.

[@heyjeySigma]

thats cute n all... but you forgot one important thing : Google is waaaay too HUGE to fail. thats all you gotta understand

[@usernamed0189]

​@@heyjeySigmatell that to the Roman Empire

[@TheSunKing]

@@heyjeySigma there aint nothing in this universe "too huge" to fail

[@zama422]

Based adnauseam users unite

[@STCatchMeTRACjRo]

@@heyjeySigma lets hope it collapses

[@Excalibur-Sonic]

Maybe they should follow their own TOS when it comes to doxxing, fix the broken copy right system, vett their ads better and so much before worrying about ad blockers.

[@Featheryfaith7]

They need to get sued at this rate.

[@HyperNova808]

@@Featheryfaith7i’ve heard they have multiple times, sues should scale based on the amount of money they have imo so giant corporations actually fear being sued rather than it being an inconvenience, but this should also increase the severity of which a case would have to be of course

[@iamrightoutsideyourwindowhello]

They can and might be soon. What YT is doing is illegal in the EU@@Featheryfaith7

[@Featheryfaith7]

@@iamrightoutsideyourwindowhello I might be in another lawsuit myself but it is involving an insurance. Im getting really tired of buisnesses.

[@joshmanis9860]

When they ban sssnipetwolf I’ll stop using my adblocker

[@Wyte_Knight]

"I don't use adblockers myself" The ublock origin icon on your second monitor: 👀

[@ashade2877]

I never had a problem with ads initially. Then the ads became intrusive, eventually I started to get ads that slowed down the website and my computer due to the sheer volumes of ads. I got sick of it and started using adblock around 2002. Never went back after that. Adblocking for life. We will win this war.

[@Jetfox967]

I love how KZbin is trying to block ad blockers, but the ad blockers always find a workaround.

[@Deathspecs]

This is why I enjoy using the Brave browser with its powerful Ad Blocker. I can still watch video's through it. LOLOLOL

[@Lucas_Jeffrey]

funny people are turning their adblock off for youtube, but using extensions to click every ad in the background lol

[@freedustin]

@@Lucas_Jeffrey that doesn't sound useful at all.

[@total_epicness6776]

It's a treadmill problem for them and now with it backfiring and bringing adblockers to the spotlight, more people are contributing to adblockers

[@Iron_Sights99]

@@freedustin They are actually highly effective, but highly destructive to the website who paid KZbin to show the ad. I've considered one in the past, because it clicks the ads in the background before you ever see it, and is EXTREMELY effective at stopping ads this way, and is virtually impossible to detect without any impact to your computer. However, it registers as "clicks" and then directly hurts the ad revenua of the comany that supplied the ad, and KZbin keeps the money the company paid them to promote the ad in the first place. I just run a regular adblocker, and have for years, it is much less harmful to the sites but is also much easier to detect. There's some people who have made videos on it and have gone in-depth better than I probably have, but that is the general gist of how they work.

[@BrownCookieBoy]

This whole ordeal has made me believe in adblockers even more. It is crazy how malocious ads are these days, probably contributing to a lot of suffering in the world. Junk food, sugar, gambling, and scams are pushed on everyone. Adblockers greatly benefits humanity.

[@dineez627]

Now this is a thought provoking take. Tell me, how much do ads contribute to the degradation of society? Rough estimate of course.

[@drakesomerset129]

@@dineez627How are we supposed to come up with a number for that?

[@STCatchMeTRACjRo]

@@drakesomerset129 gather user personal data and analyze it. The more personal data they have of the user the more they can predict the user's behavior, lifestyle. Of course that would mean violating their privacy.

[@mflax4331]

Exactly, this campaign shows customers that they COULD use adblockers instead. It's the "Streisand" effect all over again. Or in plain text, YT advertises the use of adblockers.

[@drakesomerset129]

@@STCatchMeTRACjRo Alright bro you can go ahead and do that. Too much work for me though🤷‍♂️

[@CCRoxtar]

One thing I know for sure: Not one single ad on YT (legit or not) ever persuaded me to buy anything. EVER!

[@crashito_x]

The issue that we don't understand is that when companies go public their investors are the ones in control, and the investors understand, very well, that the advertisers are the real consumers of KZbin, the advertisers are the ones who pay KZbin.... if you don't have the premium version, you my friend are the product.

[@Techcensorshipbot]

I've always used ad blocking and I always wondered why there was a blank spot in youtube suddenly one day. Turns out, that's where they decided to put ads in the actual video listings. Ridiculous and shameful.

[@aethermoroll]

man i was wondering the same, it's annoying af

[@ectogaming20]

so thats what that blank space is. ive always wondered what it was.

[@ZeroXSEED]

ublock with cosmetic filter get rid of these blank spaces

[@NetBattler]

Classic KZbin.

[@usernameisuckatusernames7130]

Wait, that indent when first opening the home page?

[@sophie____]

That part that really gets to me is that even if you pay for premium, they aren't going to suddenly stop tracking you, your data (which we could probably argue has been taken through dark patterns and uninformed consent) will still be getting farmed and aggregated and used in ways we do not yet understand. I agree that the service has a cost, and that we as users need to pay in some form, however obnoxious advertising, mass data farming and fingerprinting with sensitive data that we have no transparency on, probably being fed into even more unexplainable AI? Somehow I don't think the scales are balanced here.

[@klutzmtg2310]

I have heard from friends who do pay for premium that they STILL get ads. So it’s actually just stealing your money and not fully fulfilling its end of the agreement you pay for.

[@oosha2000]

​@@klutzmtg2310I thought it was some kind of heavy sponsorship but I still agree it can be absurd.

[@CalsGirl97]

The scales haven't been balanced for a while and Alphabet Inc knows that, That's why they encourage people who are pro-establishment and discourage people who are anti-establishment.

[@grey8_]

@@klutzmtg2310If you pay for Premium, you do not get served KZbin ads, there is no ifs or buts. If your friend still got ads, he maybe wasn't signed in with the same account he has Premium on. I mean, KZbinrs will still include sponsorships in their videos, but that's in the video itself, and not an ad that KZbin placed before / during the actual video.

[@SamIAmWich]

​@@klutzmtg2310I use premium and haven't gotten any ads aside from creator sponsorships in videos. Which are easy to skip past

[@angelaharris53]

I am so sick of this whole adblock war. I don't have a specific adblocker myself either, but every website engaged in this accuses me of it because of my antivirus. I don't feel like disengaging parts of my antivirus especially for ads that are more or less meaningless to me, and it's not the easiest thing to do and my antivirus toggled itself back on last time after it updated.

[@amondhawes-khalifa1949]

YT: "KZbin has detected that you are using an adblocker. You must allow ads to continue." Everyone: "Oh nooo..." **Clicks 'purge all cache and update' button** "Anyway..."

[@DEADisBEAUTIFUL]

Imagine watching television and the station you watch tells you that you’re not allowed to mute the volume or change the channel during commercial breaks. Or if it were mandatory for you to actually watch all the previews at the movie theater. Or listening to a radio station that won’t let you change the station during ad breaks.

[@vipex8105]

Your comment captures the situation perfectly

[@JJFlores197]

Next thing you know, after the ad plays, they'll give you a quiz that you have to do before you can continue watching whatever it is you were watching.

[@TheSynysterGamer]

Isn't there a black mirror episode like that lol

[@mflax4331]

If you BUY videos on CDs, you are forced to watch intros that tell you how bad you are if you would pirate that movie. Remember that: pirated movies lack that part, but YOU, a legitimate buyer are threatened with punishment for pirating a movie. That is how crazy the systems are working right now. And for decades already.

[@VirtualTrucker74]

Quoted from an article in Extreme Tech in 2016 "a recent Samsung Smart TV update now requires that consumers view advertising if they want to use the device's hardware" If I remember correctly, the television had a camera built in that watched you to make sure you were actively watching the advertisements, if you weren't then it would shut off the tv set or something like that.

[@izenheimreborn6390]

My big support for adblockers is not just the blatant scams, but when targeted ads are turned off, and your account is "over 18" (as mine and most people's are), the raw amount of hentai dating simulators where the advertisements are just about stripper porn level content make me feel completely unsafe to show any video, or even have KZbin playing in the backround with others present, as I will never know when my minecraft lets play will be interrupted by some thick anime girl shaking her spandex covered ass infront of people who will be offended or concerned. I unfortunately don't have an Adblocker, as KZbin is cracking down on them, and I would eat my neighbor's dog alive infront of her kids than give money to KZbin or Google for premium.

[@thechimeraprotocol]

Ublock origin is a pretty good adblocker for this. As long as you update it every week or so, no ads. Not one. Not only that, I can modify the filter lists to block youtube shorts (cancer) as well.

[@dysonlifts]

i'm under and get the same ads.

[@MegaLokopo]

Do people not realize how bad ads used to be? you'd watch 45 minutes of tv that you paid for, to watch 15 minutes of ads that you also paid for. There was no skip until later on. But some of us caught on to why it was always called an ad break, it is not a break from the show, it is a break for you to go refill your drink or get some food, while you ignore the ads you weren't interested in seeing.

[@terryhayward7905]

It is simple to overcome the ads, select the video that you want to watch, then immediately click the back button, then forward button back to the video, the ad will play for about 1 second. I have never bought anything from an internet advert, and I very much doubt that I ever will, so I have no interest in the adverts. I find it very intrusive to have to sit through an advert that has zero relevance to me.

[@doctor_decay2296]

It's not about paying for the service it's about not letting big tech just do whatever they want.

[@dukewild5071]

Happy to see someone else say it! This is a battle against the domination that online services are desperate to achieve

[@DePhoegonIsle]

@@dukewild5071 Yes... 'Walk into business complex, walk upto sign & violate rules. get shocked pikachu face when said complex goes away & the impacts all over the entire country because said complex was extensively relied on.' The age of VC fund mentality going away is a painful reminder.... and oddly enough it's the end users whom haven't learned the lesson yet.

[@FallenAngelHiroko]

I'd gladly pay if the price is reasonable. Like I'm not going to spend more than $5 on something like this. It would be different if I was watching legit movies and tv shows. I'm already paying out the arse for internet service as it is.

[@DsgSleazy]

@@FallenAngelHirokoKZbin seems to think their premium shows or wtv tf they have on their provide the same entertainment value to me as Disney plus or Netflix😂

[@bobboo101]

@@dukewild5071not just online, corporations in general

[@pinobluevogel6458]

People tend to forget that it isn't just about blocking ads, which can and will make youtube unusable for most people because of the frequency and length of the ads. There are a whole host of problems behind youtube, that good adblockers help to circumvent. Let's give a breakdown: 1. The ads are rolled too frequently. If you do not use an adblocker, it will show ads often and sometimes multiple times per video. Even in short videos of less than 15 minutes you can have 5 ads, totalling up to 2,5 minutes of ads for a short video. The amount of ads per watchtime is just ridiculous, including some of them being quite long. 2. The ads are not targeted at the right audience. While not necessarily unethical, having the wrong kinds of ads for the viewer makes them completely useless. Someone would be perfectly fine watching an ad for a game, if they are gamers. Having ads for car insurance would be complete nonsense if you don't own a car. Mistargeted ads will cost the viewer viewtime and it will have no effect or a negative effect on the brand that is being marketed. 3. The ads are often for inappropriate or downright illegal subjects. Having pornography ads, gambling ads, or money scams, clickbait schemes or anything from questionable to the downright illegal and harmful is marketed towards ALL of the youtube audience, including children's content. This isn't simply ethically wrong, it is also illegal, at least in Europe. There are reasonable arguments to be had about showing ads to generate revenue, but there are no reasonable arguments for illegal or inappropriate ads at all. 4. The KZbin website uses tracking and datacollection on a large scale. While not specifically related to ads, most (good) adblocking addons actually block tracking as well. KZbin tracks all of their viewers data, including anything like how long they hover over something, where they stop scrolling, where they point their mouse and anything you can think of. While highly unethical to begin with, this is also against the law in Europe. It goes against all privacy concepts and does not provide value to the user. This is the main reason Google still allows certain adblockers, while trying to stop other ones, as the ones that block tracking (the better ones) are the ones they are really concerned with. 5. The KZbin website is a content creator's space and operates as a public platform. I'm pretty sure Google (or Alphabet) does not agree with this, but at this point in time (and has been for a while) the KZbin platform operates largely as a community platform. It has been started as a 'free' service to upload content and share it with other people, that has slowly grown into the largest content creator platform on the internet, with only Twitch as a small competitor in the streaming market. It has grown this way, initally through technical innovation, but more so due to the extremely large and diverse quality content that the creators on their website offer. Technical innovation has been absent from the website for many years, with the only reasonable innovations (like 360 degree video, 4k resolution and such) locked behind a paywall now. With the site operating as more or less a public platform, reliant for 99.9% on the quality and quantity of their content creators, it will probably be better off to become non-profit and as user friendly as possible, reducing the need for ads altogether. If anyone can remember, this site didn't even have ads for the longest of time, which is how it probably should be. ---- To conlude: It is not clear to me how anyone would expect someone to not use an adblocker while navigating youtube or on the internet as a whole. If not for convenience, at the very least for safety and privacy concerns. Official institutions, including even the FBI of all things, all recommend the use of an adblocker, precisely for this reason. I'm somewhat okay with the creators themselves doing some in-video stuff, as you can choose to not watch their content if you think it is inappropriate, but to have it forcibly emplaced in and around your favorite content is just wrong and there is no better solution for that than using an adblocker.

[@JerehmiaBoaz]

Addendum to your point 2: Untargeted ads *are* unethical towards the advertisers because YT/Google/Alphabet claims it's auctioning targeted ad slots. Auctioning ad slots for users with a steady zero click-through rate for years isn't very ethical towards the advertisers either because those are even less effective than untargeted slots, and a zero CTR is exactly what adblocker users have because they don't see ads so they never click them.

[@pinobluevogel6458]

@@JerehmiaBoaz In many ways, YT is responsible for people using adblockers to begin with, because of their horrible ad issues. So yea, great point to add.

[@JerehmiaBoaz]

@@pinobluevogel6458 It doesn't really matter here that YT is responsible for people using adblockers because even if they aren't, they're auctioning ad slots to advertisers while they're aware that those ads won't be viewed because they're serving them to users which they know are using adblockers. Not only is this unethical towards the advertisers, it might be illegal as well and I suspect this legal aspect is a major reason for their anti-adblocker campaign (advertisers might be threatening YT with another adpocalypse). Edit: besides forcing people to view ads they clearly don't want to see, another option would be to not show them ads and limit their service (no high resolutions for instance) or even ban them. The fact that YT is only flirting with this but doesn't ban or lowres every adblocker user means that the time those users spend on the YT site still has value for the company (because it's a goldmine for user profiling)

[@pinobluevogel6458]

@@JerehmiaBoaz This last point is exactly why it would be perfectly fine if there wouldn't be any ads to begin with. The reason youtube has been a free site isn't just because it started out this way and its viewers expect it to, the datamining and personal information they get out of it is insanely valuable on its own. Hence their reluctant acceptance of certain adblockers and the war on others, that block tracking as well.

[@istankimjong-unbutcantstan3398]

meanwhile in the "free country" they are free to invade my privacy by tracking my every move? so much for a free country. what about my freedom? it looks like someone just bought it.

[@keenanmolver9689]

When I was an IT Technician back in the day we used to install ad blockers on all prebuilt machines we sold

[@Nefare1781]

I’ve said it once and I will say it again, maybe if KZbin didn’t bombard its users with incredulous amounts of intrusive ads, this wouldn’t have ever happened for them.

[@buggy730]

But they won't make any money, and we know how biased KZbin is towards bigger content creators.

[@GriffinatorOriginal]

But then KZbin would only make $5-6 billion a year instead of 7 😢

[@YingFaXiaoLang]

Exactly. I was fine with the ads when they were at the beginning of the video. I was OK when they started with the little banner ads in the middle of the video even because it didn't really interrupt the flow. But as soon as it was multiple ads at random points in videos that were unskippable I was done with watching them.

[@Mosz]

Where did you get the statistic that youtube is at all profitable?@@GriffinatorOriginal

[@GriffinatorOriginal]

@@Mosz Google. Overall KZbin has 30 billion in revenue and 7 is profit. By the end of the year it’s expected to grow to 33 billion.

[@nojuanatall3281]

Everyone is missing the detail that youtube is getting sued for lying to advertisers about views. So they're trying to force this to make themselves look better in court.

[@thegoldenatlas753]

Need someone to sue youtube for actively telling people to turn off their security. Since that's what adblock is.

[@LawTheHybrid]

While watching this video, "Total Adblock" is literally being advertised to me above the suggested videos lol.

[@stefanstoyanov7460]

When I bought my brand new PC, it came with Chrome already installed as a main browser, it also had an add block as default. KZbin asking me to remove a feature of their parent company is a hilarious example of corporate incompetence.

[@LordSandwichII]

We tried to block the annoying ads by using an adblocker. Then KZbin decided to block adblockers. "This is war!" said the adblockers, and they made an adblock blocker blocker...

[@Termulus]

KZbin is losing to adblockers? Way to go guys! Keep up the good work.

[@broeheemed32]

It's reminiscent of cable TV and their "on-screen" rubbish. It started with a tiny, benign channel logo in the lower right corner of the screen. Then it was a big logo. Then it was lower-screen animated "coming up!" banners. THEN it was lower-screen animated "coming up!" banners WITH SOUND. During programming that we already paid for. If I'm paying, I don't want to see ANY ads.

[@Jonas_æ]

I used to not care either. For years I just waited and skipped the ads. It was when KZbin started to heavily push scam ads in my face that I began using adBlocking.

[@jaguarj1942]

If it was just the old single 5 second skip able ads almost nobody would use Adblock the problem is that they have been pushing more invasive ads which leads to more people using Adblock

[@souls4781]

Gotta give you this. I heard music on KZbin, I got 2 ads (one was 15 seconds, second one was 20) I wasn’t able to skip them. What has this site become..?

[@Xeno911]

@@souls4781 reason i fcking used adblocker also its unskippable 20s to 15s

[@TheDaxter11]

I think people would still use adblockers. I know I would. I want to watch the video, not an ad, so I'd get an ad blocker. Not only that, banner ads can be annoying depending on how big and in your face they are, and lets not forget how some sites have popup ads.

[@NetBattler]

I once got a shitty Vietnam ad over 3 minutes promoting shitty products and even I can tell it's low quality.

[@wavecentral]

For me, it was when youtube allowed ads to fake the "skip" button to get people to click on their ad. Double un-skippable ads just confirmed my choice.

[@ljxk3l31]

If youtube didn’t start doing double ads i probably wouldn’t have got an ad blocker lol

[@codyryan9789]

if the internet didn't run on ads maybe then i'd stop using an adblocker

[@NetBattler]

Tbh I only watch ads if I want to support my favorite content creators.

[@SilverWolfGaming0527]

If ads weren't split 50/50 between big tittied anime girls advertising a game that has nothing to do with said game and legitimate scams that install viruses, I'd never have used Adblock

[@calibula95]

If ads were just silent banners, not loud AF videos one after the other, i'd consider not using adblock...

[@thealien_ali3382]

We pay for the internet and then we get ads wtf is this crap. If internet was free I wouldn't care if u threw 100 ads 🤣 I am paying for my internet and I deserve not to be harrased by utube

[@jayonnaise6105]

That point you made about not annoying the end user is pretty accurate. I stopped using Spotify the instant I got un-skippable ads of babies crying.

[@johntracy72]

Those crying babies were the advertisers whining about us not wanting their intrusive and scammy ads ruining our experience.

[@adamrajczak4999]

The thing is ads on YT have become so intrusive, it's hard to watch videos anymore. Very often you get ads before the start of the video and then the next ad block even before the intro to the vid has ended.

[@reggiep75]

The reality is that there must be enough ad watchers to negate the impact of ad blockers. Google needs to look at developing a better system to deliver ads, WITHOUT BOILING THE PISS OF PEOPLE by being intrusive or irritating.

[@mryellow6918]

The most annoying adds are either shit I ain't having no chance of buying or something I already own. Like Google for fuck sake you steal all my data atleast use it.

[@prplt]

well according to the stats most people don't even use an ad blocker in the first place 😂

[@reggiep75]

@@prpltMy point exactly, so the impact has got to be minimal and Google are only making it worse.

[@reggiep75]

@@mryellow6918Yep, mofos should ask you the ads you want to see. If you want see deals regarding your current interests or other things. Most users of this platform can't afford the crappy perfumes, holidays or other crap spoon fed to them.

[@IndexInvestingWithCole]

Why dont you provide a solution for them reggie?

[@TheAfker]

i feel like a good 60% of the issues with youtube ads would be fixed if they just made advertisers verify their identity

[@Slashx92]

But think about the prospects that would not be able to show their scam 💸💸💸

[@LinkRammer]

No, they would have to make every ad skippable for me to turn off adblock.

[@Crazywaffle5150]

@@LinkRammer The unskipable multi ads is what sent me over the edge.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

if youtube verified the ads and checked so they are legit and true and improved the ad quality would make a huge difference.. at this moment in time they have a company that have payed for 200+ ads in youtube and in the google network that give users pron ads, pron pictures in the top right corner.. one can be ok but 200+? The creators is punished for showing skin but the companies who buy ads can show pron and no punishment?

[@JohnDoe-ln8jp]

sadly, that doesn't work. many of the scam ads are ran on stolen accounts anyway

[@essixthedutchie8617]

The first time I encountered an ad with unskippable flashing lights, it was over. Never going back to ad-block free. It's clear that youtube does not care about what is shown as long as it gets them money.

[@GamerGuy-dm4vz]

KZbin: "IT GIVES YOUR FAVORITE CREATORS MONEY!!!" Creators: "I made 5 whole entire dollars from 1 Million Views"

[@tescosmixtape2619]

The biggest thing for me personally is double to even in some cases triple ads, I've noticed without ad blocker and you don't touch the controls for a while they will even show triple ads it makes you think watching a video (what the website is primarily for) isn't even worth it due to the fact over the years KZbin has upped the amount of ads silently on the website when almost every single video you click on starts with an ad.

[@mikael557]

Not to mention all the the ads that play when people go to sleep without closing KZbin on auto-play. They make plenty of money

[@animeloveer97]

they stop playing stuff after 3 hours which is annoying as fuck to me@@mikael557

[@FlamenYong]

I didn't have a problem with ads until about a year ago. That's when youtube started shoving double unskippable ads that were anything from 10-30 seconds long. At that point I just decided it wasn't worth my patience anymore and installed one

[@MarkLikesCoffee860]

Ads on TV are over 5 minutes. If only all ads lasted 10-30 seconds.

[@FlamenYong]

@@MarkLikesCoffee860 thank god I don't watch TV then

[@philosophicalblueberry8986]

thats why people stopped watching normal tv lmao@@MarkLikesCoffee860

[@jasonanderson5034]

why lie .. unskippable ads can only be 15 seconds max im a professional your not . this is easily debunked so why lie its free information

[@jasonanderson5034]

@@MarkLikesCoffee860 hes even lieing about it unskippable ads can only be 15 seconds long .. basically your waiting between 5 seconds and 30 seconds tops it svery unlikely youll get to 15 second unskippable ads in a row i find most unskippable ads are around 10 second slong and u usually only get one

[@cyborgwalrus1223]

the reason i downloaded my adblocker is because revently ive been served DOZENS of obvious hate speech advertisements that felt like they were specifically sent to me because i am the target of the hate speech in question.

[@mitchfritz2404]

I find it hilarious how soon after the ad blocker ban was pushed out, I very quickly came across an ad on the KZbin platform that was promoting an ad blocker directly on the platform, that's some fun irony

[@xXVibrantSnowXx]

I got a Uorigin adblock ad on this vid lol

[@stonehallow]

If youtube were to try to fight this in the legal system they would potentially open themself up to a lot of questions. I feel like once everything gets opened up it would be hard for them to justify wanting to force users to watch advertisements when they run fraudulent advertisements on their platform. Who knows what else they might have going on in the back end that might be illegal that they don't want coming to light in a legal case?

[@TitaniumTurbine]

For what it’s worth, that line of JS checking for installed ad blockers is not nearly as invasive as cookies are. Not defending it but I think the ad blocker community forgot about the various other means sites go about seeing someone’s specs/tracking someone’s activities.

[@roofie1695]

in the EU, every website has to ask you beforehand, if you want to use their cookies.@@TitaniumTurbine

[@SirZyPA]

The thing is, they arent going to fight it legally, they also cant fight it legally, since adblockers arent illegal in the first place. They potentially could perform a civil suit against adblock users for breach of contract (in this case the terms of service), however seeing as youtube doesnt require you to accept the terms of service before using it, this wouldnt be a valid in every case, this is also why it is potentially illegal for them to detect the adblocks, since it requires them to run javascript on your device, to gather information about whether or not youre using adblock, potentially without you having given any sort of consent, or even being informed that it would happen, whilst this javascript really isnt that invasive, and doesnt really provide them any personal information, it could still be seen as illegal on principle alone, since youre still gathering user data illegally according to the EU GDPR laws as stated in the video. But even in the cases where they might be able to sue you for breaking ToS they most likely wouldnt, since currently, all theyre doing is annoying adblock users, which people is against sure, but most of them are still using youtube, however once they start sueing people, then im fairly sure people are just gonna quit youtube and swap to any alternative, each time youtube is creating these annoyances, theyre reducing their value over the competition, this means more and more people would start looking for alternatives, which isnt really something theyre interested in, which is why people arent getting banned for using adblocks, but just told to disable it.

[@pinobluevogel6458]

If not for corrupt politicians turning a blind eye towards big tech, KZbin would have been sued for hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars by now for their intrusive tracking and surveilliance, which is against the law. Not to mention that a lot of the ads on their platform are also for companies that break the law, with schemes and scams running amok. (or inappropriate content for minors) I hope it will go to court one day and they will have to answer for their lack of ethics in running what has basically become a community platform now. Or maybe it will, like facebook before them. go the way of the dodo and people will switch to other, more ethical and user-friendly platforms and it will slowly start to die out.

[@jasonanderson5034]

its no differrent then sommeone messaging a bunch of people on facebok with a malicious link

[@armoredchimp]

I'm addicted to KZbin but I'm also 1000% ready to drop it fully if they actually manage to defeat the adblockers for good. I know I'm not the only one

[@99Plastics]

Saying Vs Doing

[@MinesweepActual]

Oh same here. It'll actually probably help my time management if I don't have KZbin to waste time on anymore

[@eirian.art420]

same

[@Alfred-Neuman]

How are you watching KZbin right now? Did you disable your adBlocker or are you paying for Premium? Personally I did disable the adBlocker (for KZbin) but I open the every videos with "Open link in private window". Obviously I have the AdBlock activated in this window... It seems to work perfectly and I don't think they could really do anything against this method because in this private window I'm not even logged in.

[@PrototypeOnyx]

@@Alfred-Neuman Brave, Opera GX or uBlock origin (this is a little more involved since you basically have to update it once or twice a day). Where there's a will, there's a way.

[@Wh0isTh3D0ct0r]

All that I had to do was watch a KZbin video via an incognito window. The best part is that would mean that the video would not be added to my watch history, meaning that KZbin's recommendations algorithm was affected. So it looks like KZbin backpedaled already, because now I'm able to use an ad blocker like normal.

[@Wh0isTh3D0ct0r]

This whole thing stinks of a misdirect, where KZbin quietly did something controversial to the platform which went unnoticed while everyone was b****ing about ad blockers.

[@dakiesalamander5221]

KZbin issued a challenge. The challenge was accepted. The truth is that YT doesn't care about the ads. They care about subscription and that is what they want... but people simply refuse to pay that overvalued price. If Alphabet would lower the price to 2-3$ I think people would pay.

[@RBrown-uk4xt]

It's one thing to suffer through ads that you dislike. It's something else to deal with the scams and BS. I can absolutely understand someone paying for a general ad-block subscription, especially on a network wide level, because of that difference. Even more so for those responsible for a child, an elder, or just someone lacking in internet savvy-ness that cannot be individually monitored whenever that are accessing the internet.

[@Pipkiablo]

This. I had to forcibly install an adblock on my grandma's computer because she kept falling for those "Your computer has a virus, call this number and we'll fix it" pop up scams and then fought me and told me I was wrong whenever I tried to tell her they were scams.

[@CertifiedSunset]

At this point I use an ad blocker out of spite for youtube. I was getting really agressive ads for weeks like 5 ads front to back 2+ min each and unskippable no matter how many times you refreshed the page. It made consuming content on youtube tedious and really annoying. I often watch youtube to chill out but would get ads that had egregious volume spikes and were harsh on the ears. I didn't want to constantly wait through a bunch of loud annoying ads for things I don't care about when the content I want to consume is totally separate. It's also nice to have an ad blocker for other websites that try to advertise viruses or scams like Muta mentioned. It was just a really annoying thing to deal with, and it made browsing the internet less enjoyable. So yes, I'de rather financially support ad blockers rather than the giant media empire that is youtube/google, because they at least make life a little easier for me. KZbin has demonstrated many times that they don't care about their users, so why should I care about youtube? Call me selfish, but I feel justified in my use of ad blockers. If I want to support a creator, I'll donate directly to them or buy their merch.

[@heill232]

"...they don't care about their users, so why should I care about youtube?" THIS.

[@bluecat123drogongod3]

same here dude i use Brave Browser

[@samuelglover7685]

The ham-handed way that they implement ads puts the lie to the myth that Google is some kind of special, precious genius bin. Break it up!

[@JJ-qo7th]

In some parts of the world those volume spikes are actually illegal...when on broadcast television.

[@philosophicalblueberry8986]

I feel like the whole argument that we should watch ads to support creators should be laid to rest at this point. Its moot. Like you mentioned, theres alternatives to supporting creators, where you actually know how much the creator receives, and can determine the amount yourself. Be it direct donations, buyin merch or subscribing to their patreons. If anything, its the people behind youtube who should feel bad for shoving advertising at us that conditions our minds to want to buy stuff we dont truly need, which is actually kinda predatory. With this in mind I have a clean concscience using ad blockers.

[@shizusworld6219]

The issue is like you've shown, there are too many scam ads etc etc, and people don't want to be forced to pay to use a site that has been free since its inception.

[@MrMasters1983]

It is hilarious to me that in an attempt to stop ad blockers youtube just exposed potentially millions of people to the fact that they even exist. GG youtube, you played yourself.