Youtube Pastor Mike Winger Can't Explain the Nature of God

[@JD-pr1et]

Yeah. Adding the One (or Other) of Plato to the individual beings of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and relegating them to "persons" but not people (fully individual beings) and convoluted into one numerical, metaphysical being (the unscriptural homoousia) because the One is composed of "simple substance" that cannot be divided. Starting with nonsense begets nonsense. Mike's problem is accepting the Platonic ontological distiction of the Other and everything else which was created from nothing (from Aristotle). The scriptural God is not "other than His offspring. Jesus as the Messiah was raised above His brethren to be a member of the Godhead as noted in Psalms. He was raised to the full capability of His Father while a premortal spirit. When He was born into mortality, he received a fully mortal body, subject to everything in life. His spirit inhabiting that body still had his divine capabilities. His mortality had every mortal human strength and weakness while His divine capabilities ensured He was able to not succumb to mortal weakness and sin. However, this is not two natures (preserving the Platonic ontological theoretical differences), but two sets of capabilities within one spirit/physical being. And yes. Jesus did face spiritual death. Just before He gave up the ghost at the last stage of completing the atonement, the gospels note that the Father withdrew His spirit from Jesus, leaving Him to tread the winepress alone for a short period. He suffered both forms of death and can succor His brethren completely, understanding and experiencing all.

[@HaleStorm49]

Well said. I wasn't thinking about Christ's spiritual "death" but that's a salient observation. Appreciate your insights JD.

[@davidiscoolerthanu69]

You're reaching bro.

[@mofoshrimp]

It seems like you are making this video out of a bitter, mocking, envious spirit. Why not yield to The Holy Spirit instead, and do something useful for the kingdom of our Lord Jesus?

[@HaleStorm49]

What do you suggest?

[@jope2123]

Like wingers countless ANTI-LDS/bigotry videos?

[@HamSamich99]

1) Mike Winger doesnt consider himself a pastor because he doesnt actively minister to a church body. He does all of his ministry online to regular people. He has said this multiple times, so your little comment around 5:45 is void. 2) This is one of those topics that (unless you treat it inappropriately or over emphasize on it to the point it becomes counter to the faith) is ultimately inconsequential to your Christian life or salvation. He also really didnt do as bad of a job explaining a very complex question on the fly as you think he did. You said his answer was what you like to call "winging" it....yes thats literally the point of this series. He wings (does no preparation for) answering peoples live questions as they come in. And anybody who watches it week to week can atest to his proficiency in doing so. No, he doesnt get everything head on the nail every single time, but no preacher, pastor, Pope, bishop, elder, group leader can.

[@HaleStorm49]

These are all excuses. 🤨

[@HamSamich99]

@@HaleStorm49 excellent and well thought out rebuttal 🤌🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@HaleStorm49]

@@HamSamich99 Since your PR statement didn't make any arguments about his admittedly poor theology all I would be doing is rebutting your feelings.

[@HamSamich99]

@@HaleStorm49 k

[@TeancumRockwell]

The apostle John disagrees with you. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. How can we know him if the trinity is a paradox (mystery)? I get the urge to play it off since you guys can’t explain away the mess. But don’t pretend it is inconsequential when we are told the exact opposite.

[@maran.ath4]

so, lemme get this straight, we shouldn't listen to someone because of their inability to fully understand the "nature" of God, which truly none of us can even grasp, you lot are just....The person doesn't have serious doctrinal issues, they believe in the core message of the gospel and all that other stuff, but on the one thing no one is even supposed to understand, they naturally don't understand fully and that makes them unworthy?

[@veronicavan1234]

Exactly! This video is pretty obviously made for views and clicks.

[@HaleStorm49]

@@veronicavan1234 That's what cat videos and dashcam vids are for. This video is for people who are already asking questions about why these teachings don't add up.

[@maran.ath4]

​@@HaleStorm49 But here's nothing that doesn't "add up" here, I don't know if you watch a lot of his videos or just bumped into a few, but he makes it clear over and over and over again, "I don't know everything", I won't have an answer to everything, Especially on this issue... Isaiah 55:8-9 states, "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the Lord. Job 11:7-9: "Can you fathom the mysteries of God? Can you probe the limits of the Almighty? They are higher than the heavens above-what can you do? They are deeper than the depths below-what can you know? Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea." 1 Corinthians 13:12: "For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." Paul compares our current understanding to seeing a dim reflection, implying that complete understanding will come in the future. If Mike brought a false doctrine then fine, we will all give him a sound chastisement, but this? Come one Halestorm, come on. We are all together in this

[@TheLambsHeart]

I love how you go on not answering the question, just chastising him.

[@HaleStorm49]

Didn't watch until the end?

[@TheLambsHeart]

@@HaleStorm49 I did, you shared some insightful scripture on not listening to people who can’t firmly describe the nature of God. If your answer is, “I don’t know so I won’t answer” then that’s fine but Mike’s practically doing the same thing. I’m not a fan of his theology either, but I’ll call a brother out and defend another if things don’t add up.

[@HaleStorm49]

@@TheLambsHeart You're right. Being LDS and learning these doctrines at a young age we take for granted that common core christianity pastors not only didn't teach them, but haven't even given them any thought. That's why I decided to make the video, but didn't anticipate the reaction from non subs. I'll have to make another I suppose to give the answer to those with pastors like Mike.

[@glovesofkosai5639]

Ohhh. Youre mormon. Now it makes sense. ​@HaleStorm49

[@HaleStorm49]

@@glovesofkosai5639 How Else would I know so much? Common core christianity doesn't have answers to these questions.

[@mailjasons]

Can you explain the nature of God? Winger dives in and gets his answers from God's word. He admits when he doesn't know something. I can respect that.

[@a_man_with_some_plans]

You should learn humility.

[@HaleStorm49]

Pray for me. We'll get there.

[@jope2123]

😂 they're not ready for LDS members being on the offensive.

[@therealblackout3659]

I mean, the dude said he wasnt sure multiple times.

[@HaleStorm49]

It's a start.

[@justinmitchell7082]

This is a really pointless video. I Would have never clicked on it or heard of your channel if it didn’t have Mike Winger on the thumbnail. You probably intended that though. Just the way you talk about him is not humble and tells me everything I need to know about the character of your ministry. You should find creative ways to make meaningful content instead of ripping on a guy that has a very successful and very humble ministry. He is not a pastor, you should know this. I recommend anyone watching this video to stop watching this channel and do your own research as to Mike Winger or anyone else you may be interested in. This channel won’t go far if you take shallow jabs at people like this when there are real problems within Christianity that need to be addressed.

[@HaleStorm49]

It is a real problem. Mike takes giant haymakers at people who understand the scriptures far better than he does and those don't get you all hot and bothered. Why?

[@justinmitchell7082]

@@HaleStorm49 If you provide examples of the haymakers with the sources of them, I’ll look into it and see if it gets me hot and bothered. If I’m wrong I’ll admit it. Generally Mike doesn’t make videos against people without building a thoughtful case for it with evidence to back it up. I haven’t seen every one of his videos though so I’m open to looking into these examples you have. Did you reach out to Mike Winger’s ministry directly about this issue before posting this video? Could you please show the interaction you had with the ministry?

[@a_man_with_some_plans]

You never answered the question. ​@@HaleStorm49

[@austinnajar]

@@HaleStorm49who are you saying he’s thrown “haymakers” at that know the Bible better than him? And please name the video title and give time stamps if possible.

[@HaleStorm49]

@@justinmitchell7082 I’ve seen several people claim that Mike isn’t a pastor. Ok - He reaches more people weekly than most pastors will teach in their lifetimes. Like you said - very successful ministry. His own website says he’s a pastor but you say he’s not a pastor and I should know that?? I am just a regular dude so whatever. Re: Haymakers Mike Winger has made over 30 videos attacking the LDS faith. Watch them all. Do your own research. Calling them cults, comparing them to Satanists, explaining why they can’t be saved, etc. The _thoughtful case_ is what is left out of each one to ensure the viewer is none the wiser. It’s hard to respect the people in his audience if they don’t reserve their skepticism …seeing what I’ve seen. Do you check to make sure Mike reached out to their ministry before making those videos? Did Mike show you the interaction he had with their ministry? Please forward it to me when you get it. He won’t debate. He doesn’t have guests - he rarely responds in the comments. He did once to me and I know he won’t make that mistake again. I make make a video about that at some point. He would never discuss these ideas in front of someone who would challenge him…but that isn’t the point. The point is that you won’t hold him to the standard you hold me to because you already believe what he says. It does give me some hope that David Boice (52 churches in 52 weeks) joined the LDS faith and specifically mentioned that he used to highly respect Allen Parr. He heard Alan Parr recently compare Mormons to Nazis and that’s when the lightbulb finally went off…that these guys are phonies…dressed like harmless sheep. This is a problem in common core christianity that needs to be addressed.

[@s.rokk88]

Calvinists be mad bro. Reformers continue to do nothing but herisy hunt. If it doesn't come from John McArther ( Paul washer, etc), it's herisy.....

[@PBAdventures146]

Correct.. I've never seen a group of people worship at the feet of other men as calvinists do, whether it's John Calvin himself or John MacArthur and Steve Lawson etc. They are some of the most arrogant critical people I've seen and if there is ever a "Christian" group that reminds me more of the pharisees it's the Calvinists.

[@HoldToChrist]

Is this guy not Mormon? I thought that was a Joseph smith quote when he said “the prophet”

[@TheSaxMan567]

Thanks for the video, you’ve made me a bigger fan of Mike Winger. The fact that you take the time to call out someone who loves the Lord and who’s catchphrase is literally “think biblically” is hysterical. There are literally so many real false teachers for you to choose from.

[@HaleStorm49]

Milk before meat.

[@HaleStorm49]

Re: Edited comment Technically it should be "think the way Mike thinks" about the Bible, but I understand your point. _Think Biblically_ was way a better pitch. 100% Dont want to get too Mitch Hedberg here but any teacher is a false teacher when they teach something false ;) Benny Hinn is much worse than Pastor Mike, but the pendulum swings both ways.

[@IntoAllTruth.]

One of problems I see is that the philosophies of men are unable to answer the simplest of Gospel questions and their adherents get twisted into intellectual pretzels when confronted with an inconsistency in their positions. This makes me appreciate even more the profound nature of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ, as revealed through Joseph Smith, a man who appeared to be the simplest of farm boys.

[@BouncySlim1]

What are the scriptures that support that "we were fully devine before becoming human"????

[@HaleStorm49]

Are you not the off spring of God? (Paul) What would that make you before you came to Earth in mortality?

[@tylerneal1349]

@@HaleStorm49And what biblical support would you have for this? To me Paul seems to say that we must be adopted into the family of God. Why would we need to be adopted if we were already sons? John 1:10-13 Galatians 4:1-7 Ephesians 1:3-5 Romans 8:14-17 Romans 8:22-23 How do you reconcile these scriptures with your doctrine?

[@HaleStorm49]

@@tylerneal1349 It's like asking why we need to be born again if we've already been born. They sound the same but mean very different things. Paul, like most of the scriptures you listed, is referring to the covenant we are required to make with God in order to become a joint heir with Christ ie fellow son of God. I don't know how someone without this doctrine could reconcile these scriptures - especially Paul's teaching that we are "joint heirs" with Christ. As an aside - One of the other issues I find with common core christianity is that they often treat every verse of every book as if it counsel for the same people. The Romans and the Ephesians were on opposite sides of the belief spectrum. Galtians fall more in the middle. The Romans were being heavily persecuted, the Galatians were prone to apostasy and had to be spoon fed, the Ephesians were some of the most progressed and righteous covenant christians alive at that time. You can hear it in the way Paul delivers the doctrine.

[@FossilStudios316]

God is beyond infinite. We can understand aspects of Him, but only God can comprehend the whole nature of God. There’s dangerous pride in thinking you’re wise enough to comprehend God’s nature.

[@HaleStorm49]

Somewhere between John 17 and the creedal councils the message got garbled. Christ was pleading with the Father that we would know Him the way Christ knows Him. Now it's not possible and your prideful for saying otherwise.? They should have put as asterisk or an _ackshually_ after "with God all things are possible"

[@FossilStudios316]

@@HaleStorm49 That’s taking scripture out of context and cherry picking to make your point. Jesus wants us to know the Father personally. Which we are able to do throw Christ. But Jesus also didn’t consider equality with God something to be grasped. In fact, considering your self “like God” is the original sin. Obviously there’s nuance there because we are made in His image. But we have aspects of God, we are not gods. Not fully grasping the minutia of how the Trinity works metaphysically isn’t even a salvation issue. Some of us don’t struggle with the concept, some do. That doesn’t mean they can’t grasp other concepts or the gospel. I would have said to Mike “Jesus is spiritually divine, physically human.” Easy concept to grasp, one sentence to answer the question. You spent 10 minutes going “this guy doesn’t even know God’s nature! Let me give you this word salad that shows how much more qualified I am” without offering any clear explanation of God’s nature. I watched to the end, I couldn’t understand what you were trying to say. And yes it all comes off as prideful.

[@HaleStorm49]

@@FossilStudios316 How is considering yourself like God the original sin? God told Christ in Genesis that "man has become as one of us, Knowing good from evil" you have cherry picked that narrative and now you're understanding of what (and why) that happened is exactly backwards. My issue with Mike is that bad theology = wrong assumptions = bad results. This will sound prideful but these interactions are evidence to me of how much damage people like Mike are doing and his followers have no idea that they are being taught bad theology... Even when he admits it. It's common core christianity.

[@BouncySlim1]

If we were to know all there is to know about God, wouldn't He cease to be God???

[@HaleStorm49]

@@BouncySlim1 How would his nature be affected by our knowledge of it? It's God ceasing to be God in small doses as you build your relationship with Him?

[@mackywackydeejew]

I figured you'd give an answer to what he said he didn't know/wasn't sure about. Was the point of this video, "Mike Winger can't answer that "simple" question, so he's a false teacher?"

[@HaleStorm49]

No. Every Pastor is going to get things wrong. Getting the nature of God (and by extension, man) wrong means there is alot you'll never get right.

[@mackywackydeejew]

@@HaleStorm49 Like? Does not knowing the proper of the answer of the question he was asked means one can't teach the gospel?

[@HaleStorm49]

@@mackywackydeejew as I said in my video, if you didn't understand algebra you will never be able to explain Calculus. It doesn't mean you can't teach math, it means that once the students are past sixth grade they should find another teacher.

[@mackywackydeejew]

@@HaleStorm49 Well, your entire tone didn't appear as lenient as your comment here.

[@galishuaduki770]

"As a Prophet of God said," Sources please.

[@HoldToChrist]

80% sure that’s a Jospeh Smith quote. Therefore, this is LDS teaching, not Christian, if that is the case.

[@j.prt.979]

It's Joseph Smith, ie: the founder of Mormonism and a false prophet.

[@BouncySlim1]

​@@HoldToChrist I'm closer to 99% sure he's LDS

[@HaleStorm49]

@@HoldToChrist It's peak Christianity. Administered as God intended.

[@galishuaduki770]

@@SethYoderMusic Well, Joseph ain't a Prophet....

[@censorshipsucks9493]

The short answer is love. But God also gives us rules because he loves us, and wants to protect us.

[@HaleStorm49]

Prepare* us

[@censorshipsucks9493]

@@HaleStorm49 that too.

[@HoldToChrist]

I apologize for this if it’s mistaken, but much of your words and editing here seem to just be mockery that don’t have much intellectual content, and are intent on manipulating your audience into having a negative emotional response to Mike Winger. The cutting back and forth between random clips of Mike also don’t help your clarity. Could you actually make a real point instead of insulting his use of filler words (maybe), and stop pitching him up to make him sound dumb?

[@calendularequiem360]

Ants can't explain the nature of me.

[@HaleStorm49]

True, different species.

[@bemple6344]

I dont think that not understanding a metaphysical, biblically undefined attribute of God's being is the same as not knowing God or his character. I can know you without having a deep understanding of your spiritual essence and without pondering the existence and relationship of your mind, spirit, and soul. This seems like an incredibly cherry picked example of someone doing their best to make clear an issue that isn't directly alluded to or made incredibly clear in scripture nor something that scripture stresses as important for knowing God or the gospel. If this was truly something "necessary for understanding God/the gospel" would it not be something made blindingly clear and significant in the revealing of the divine through the scriptures? If one is to therefore make an assumption about this topic it cannot be truly or assuredly known or relied upon, certainly it cannot be an issue that is claimed to be of salvific importance. We should not go to an anonymously referenced "prophet of God" for information about the Godhead. God's character is revealed through his inspired word, not through what one claims may be true about it.

[@mackywackydeejew]

Facts. My first thought was, "Did people like Hagar, Abraham, Joesph, etc know how to answer this question?" I someone doubt it. I've never considered this exact question until hearing it now. This video felt like unnecessary gassing-up of "I know and he doesn't" about that specific question.

[@bemple6344]

@@mackywackydeejew yeah I agree, I really hope he begins responding to some of the more conflicting comments as I would like to see what he has to say about what i said

[@HaleStorm49]

I pinned one of the comments that does a good job of laying out the reason why his theology is insufficient to answer the question. You mentioned that it should be _blindingly clear_ but Christ said that the reason he spoke in parables was because to _some it is given and to some it is not given to know the mysteries of God_ The problem today is the that no one thinks anything is a mystery - and in a culture where common core christianity teaches people that works aren’t required - they exert about as much effort as one would expect.0 Re: God’s word. Who was the inspired word revealed to and recorded by in most cases?

[@jason4522]

And what is YOUR explanation, sir? 🤔 we’re waiting….

[@BouncySlim1]

I like listened twice and didn't get your answer to the question....

[@jeffmiller2396]

You have to admit, the Bible does not absolutely answer this question, nor do churches address this theology. So Mike probably never gave this particular question a thought. Remember, he's answering these questions off the cuff. I could never do that. I give him cudos for trying and doing it so well 99% of the time.

[@HaleStorm49]

Doesn't sound like you watched the whole vid. Some churches address these questions & some have pastors like Mike

[@HoldToChrist]

@@HaleStorm49 was that Joseph Smith you quoted? I’m almost certain that sounds exactly like him.

[@nerd-the-potato7222]

@@HoldToChrist Yes it is, the quote basically says that you need to be certain that God was once man, and men can become like God. Mormon stuff. He just took the first part of it. You can find it on the Institute for Religious Research if you'd like to see more...

[@HaleStorm49]

@@nerd-the-potato7222 Those guys are the southern poverty law center of religious studies. 😂 🤡 Why read their stuff when you can just study the scriptures? What happens at the end of the parable of the prodigal son? What happens at the end of the parable of the sower? What does the Lord promise at the end of the parable of the talents. How many times is this doctrine of exaltation mentioned by Paul, Peter, John in the be testament? Several. It's hiding in plain sight. Christ never upbraids anyone for believing too much or having too much faith - but frequently chides people for their lack of belief, including the Apostles early on. It's easier to politically red pill people than spiritually red pill them.

[@thomasvollenweider1069]

What prophet are you quoting exactly?

[@HoldToChrist]

80% sure that’s a Jospeh Smith quote. Therefore, this is LDS teaching, not Christian, if that is the case.

[@boogyqueen]

You speak very condisendingly, i suggest praying for God to give you wisdom and revelation before creating more videos like this. It reminds me of something a worldly person would make. No hate just letting you know, discernment was speaking to me

[@HaleStorm49]

Thank you for your prayers. I certainly need them.

[@veronicavan1234]

Mike Winger is a solid teacher, and you are reaching hard.

[@jope2123]

He spreads misinformation about LDS doctrine.

[@HoldToChrist]

When Mike Winger said that Jesus was once fully divine and not human at all, you chimed in by saying “same with us”. What did you mean by that? Also, just for clarity’s sake. When Mike said that Jesus resurrects and becomes human again, he was posing a hypothetical which he started by describing as “maybe scary territory”, so yes, it would be very close to something he rejects, because it was a hypothetical idea that he was rejecting.

[@HaleStorm49]

That we are of the same nature and participating in the same process. The rejection conversation would have been interesting if he'd clarified that he meant it the way you suggest. Assuming that is what he meant, we are still following the exact same steps/ progression and were instructed in John 14:12 that someday we would do greater works than what we've seen him do. They saw him do works that no mortal could replicate in this lifetime, but I've heard Mike Winger suggest that Christ was probably referring to _spreading the gospel_ uhmkay. I think that answer (like the one from this video) displays a stunted & myopic misunderstanding of the size/ scale of the Gospel of Jesus Christ...and the reward That would necessitate the sacrifice of a sinless God. John 14:12 hints at what is to come.

[@HoldToChrist]

@@HaleStorm49 he did clarify. As I said, right before he started that portion of his answer. He stated that what he was about to at was a potentially scary way to think. Are you LDS? Because that sounded a lot like the king follet discourse at the end there. If that is the case, do you believe that we have the potential to become the gods of our own worlds, and that God the Father had His own god before He was God?

[@HaleStorm49]

@@HoldToChrist Wouldn't it make sense that now that we've discovered the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate? How does the common core christianity narrative explain God's reason for doing this? There are estimated to be trillions of planets just in our galaxy alone. Knowing this - would you consider a planet a difficult task for God to complete? I don't know why sectarians obsess over planets but they are grains of sand in the big picture. Personally I think it reflects how small the gospel and Christs atonement have shrunk in the minds of men during the Apostasy.

[@PBAdventures146]

Booo... yet another youtuber exalting himself as some great Bible interpreter trying to spread division in the body of Christ all under the disguise of being a truth watch dog as if they have a corner of it. What a bunch of rubbish.

[@HaleStorm49]

If I had a dollar for every tone policing comment that was irrelevant to the doctrine I'd cancel student loan debt. Should we be united, as the body of Christ, around our acceptance of inaccurate doctrines and understandings of God? United perhaps in the inability to have our worldly dogmas corrected without shattering like glass? What kind of unity are we striving for exactly?

[@PBAdventures146]

​@@HaleStorm49are you Mormon?

[@HaleStorm49]

@@PBAdventures146 Of course. I've been told my whole life that I'm not Christian by people who don't even read their Bibles and barely understand what they have read. Mike has a whole series of videos on how LDS members Don't follow Jesus Christ, won't be saved, etc etc al. You point out how sloppy his handle is on doctrine (in his own words no less) and 99% of the comments are about how mean it is to criticize him. It's like watching MSNBC It's much more difficult to spiritually red pill than to politically red pill

[@PBAdventures146]

@HaleStorm49 oh I see, so your purpose is to go after Christians for apparently mistakes to justify your mormonism. I don't know if you're going to hell or not. But there is some irony in the fact that a Mormon is going after a Christian when it comes to biblical doctrine.

[@HaleStorm49]

My purpose was for you to answer my questions and maybe, just maybe, help you see how selective you are when it comes to taking umbrage at those who spread division. 0 for 2. #babysteps.

[@crispbacon6047]

Judges 13:18 study it bro

[@chuckgunn1359]

You quoted Joseph Smith. He wasn't a real prophet. I wont even need to bother watching the video at this point.

[@HaleStorm49]

My videos aren't for people who already know everything.

[@DosBlade]

So what.. ask him face to face.. leave us out of this gossip stuff.

[@marklindsey1995]

"God and man are the same divine eternal species" Where is that in the Bible (Gen 3 maybe)? The premise of the question was that Jesus' humanity and deity are inseparable. Where is that in the Bible? You did not answer the question at all. All you did was quote some unnamed prophet who appears to be the authority. What is your answer? Who is the prophet so that I may study their theology? Thank you for your consideration.

[@chrismokvack]

The unnamed "prophet" he quoted is Joseph Smith. Need more be said?

[@ethanpaul95]

Jesus willingly gave up His Spirit on the cross. (Matthew 27:50 "And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.") Jesus also said "God is Spirit." (John 4:24 "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”) Jesus' empty body was dead on the cross and placed in the grave. But His Spirit (His God-ness/Deity/Divinity) never died, because it IS eternally. The Father filled His empty body/flesh again with His Spirit and raised Him to life. For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. John 5:21 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Romans 8:11 Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power. 1 Corinthians 6:14 The Greek word used for Spirit in Matthew 27:50, John 4:24, and Romans 8:11 is πνεῦμα (Transliteration: Pneuma [pnyoo'-mah]) and is defined as I. the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son A. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the "Holy" Spirit) B. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of "Truth") C. never referred to as a depersonalised force II. the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated A. the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides B. the soul III. a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting A. a life giving spirit B. a human soul that has left the body C. a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel i. used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived as inhabiting the bodies of men ii. the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ IV. the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one A. the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc. V. a movement of air (a gentle blast) A. of the wind, hence the wind itself B. breath of nostrils or mouth *Bible Verses are in NASB95 Greek Definitions cited from Blue Letter Bible (Strong's Definition G4151 - πνεῦμα)

[@jason4522]

You seem to be a sad jealous man after Winger 😔 why???

[@butterfingerbbs]

I don’t think you know what you are talking about

[@PhillipCase-y4j]

You are condescending my friend in your entire presentation. Exactly what are your qualifications to be a theology critic of anyone. I don't see any credentials here. You actually come across as a smart ......oh well I'll just leave it there.

[@HaleStorm49]

Fisherman. What credentials do you require?

[@HaleStorm49]

@@davidbrotherton789 lol first time on KZbin?

[@PhillipCase-y4j]

@@HaleStorm49 How about where you got your degree in theology. Do you have any schooling in biblical languages? If so, from where? And as an aside. You can't give a detailed biblical discription and breakdown of the nature of God either. Winger is at least humble enough to admit that He can't. And, in the grand scheme of things...who cares? You or anyone else can give your opinion on this but it will be that "an opinion" When we get to heaven we will know, but here the question is not even really important!

[@cameronreed1411]

The cringeworthy part, is that this man 100% knows that LDS are absolutely wrong, but he cannot articulate a simple answer to this simple question. Blind leading the blind.

[@HaleStorm49]

I was relieved that it's just _this single point of doctrine_ where his theology is... underdeveloped.

[@c434567557]

You did not do that well answering the viewers question, only Jesus' body died not his divinity. You make it sound like we're baby God's but the bible says we will be like angels. Anyway try answering the question the viewer asked before moaning

[@HaleStorm49]

It also says that we will judge angels. It's almost as if there are different degrees of glory like Paul told the Corinthians there would be.

[@c434567557]

@@HaleStorm49 I've still to be saved as God let me know I still have to chsnge and renew my mind. This was sort of mixed emotions coz glad I knew I had things to sort out but devastating also and my heart was in despair such that I did not know how I would continue and could barely sleep. Then after 4 days he gave me a miracle basically a scripture that I could not remember, it lasted maybe 30 minutes. It encouraged me to find strength to calm down. I don't know what's hard though about Jesus dying, his human body was still God in flesh and that died, then his soul and spirit lived, then his body resurrected and then was transformed. Not sure what the mystery is there. That's my take

[@unworthy1582]

You reek of pride. Repent and submit to God.

[@HaleStorm49]

Done. Pride is easiest to see in others.

[@unworthy1582]

@HaleStorm49 The Lord bless you and keep you, make his face to shine upon you, and give you peace. We all fall brother, get up in Jesus name and fight the good fight! The Lord lead you and help us all.

[@livingforthe1]

This is horrible. He is right on. The problem is you are following a false prophet. Just being honest. Think about the historicity of the LDS Church. He is talking about the real biblical historical Jesus. You are talking about a Jesus that has been made up to refute his claims. You are reaching and you are a KZbin teacher, as you say on your video, that people shouldn't watch or listen to.

[@HaleStorm49]

A made up Jesus? Im intrigued. Tell me more. Try to focus on substance and leave all the emotions out please.

[@livingforthe1]

Totally did. You said prophet. I researched and it was Joseph Smith. Every theologian outside of the LDS theologians would say that Joseph Smith made everything up. No historical context. Therefore, it’s a made up Jesus. No emotion. You’re welcome.

[@HaleStorm49]

Well yeah thats like saying every Pharisee who didn't become a Christian would say they didn't believe Christ. Thats a bit obvious, no? You did better on emotion, but still room for improvement on substance. I mean tell me more about the made up Jesus. What does that mean?

[@Vaw.]

Yeah very concerning, in Orthodox theology this is one of the primary parts of theology we touch on. Interesting to see Mike have no awareness of Arianism or Nestorianism.