Final Fantasy VII Rebirth - Cait Sith Sacrifice Scene Comparison (Original vs Rebirth)

[@jessielou9138]

I liked it better when essentially, the whole temple was the black materia itself and in order to remove it, someone had to be crushed inside it and that's what made it more emotional in my first run of the game, the fact that Cait Sith was sacrificing himself.

[@mauriciowinston5293]

Exactly!!!

[@shadowlessgrandcross2165]

I get it tbh. But even in the og Cait Sith is easily the character I care the least about so in the og it sort of came off as really silly to me more than sad. In Rebirth though, I do miss a few lines in the original he said like "Don't forget about me! Even if another Cait Sith comes along!"

[@jessielou9138]

@@shadowlessgrandcross2165 I think they did it this way in Rebirth to have an action scene. In the original it was pretty chill. Cait Sith volunteered to solve the riddles to shrink the temple into the black materia while the others waited outside to take it. But in Rebirth it turned out as an Indiana Jones like escape.

[@edalmirneto4246]

Besides, this gave BM a very interesting extra power besides summoning the meteor, which was precisely the construction.

[@merimkastrat5846]

I actually like that concept better than the pyramid just crumbles down. Would have been more scarier to escape while the whole place starts to shrink.

[@DodderingOldMan]

One of a few examples of a scene that I feel was done better in the original. I really missed him saying 'Don't forget me, even if another Cait Sith comes along'. On some level, this version had its own identity, its own will to live.

[@captainpep3]

I didn’t care about cait sith in the original, he was so unlikeable that his death didn’t mean anything since he comes back. In rebirth, I liked cait sith so much more, and they didn’t try to guilt trip you with his death as everyone already knew he was a robot, so having it like how they did it in rebirth made more sense to me, and it felt better (imo)

[@MaxBraver555]

doesn't matter, a replacement body comes out right after the moment, it's I'm dead but not really.

[@captainpep3]

@@amandusan4821 Cait didn’t return in silence in the original, he shows up and says (while Cloud is beating up Aerith) “I don’t know if this is the best time, but I’m Cait Sith NO2” or something along those lines

[@SeverinoCatule]

@@captainpep3 The voice acting of Cait in Rebith is insanely good

[@captainpep3]

@@SeverinoCatule I know, I was impressed at how well his voice worked. I was afraid it could have been grating, but it never was for me

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Original FF7 devs were INSANE. This moment fakes being silly to then be a bit of a heart damager. Then Cloud gets one of his biggest mental breakdowns and starts attacking Aeris. Then you get magical forest scene where she says goodbye, but you go and save her… and Sephiroth opens his barbecue. Man, you seriously had to be playing it to know how it feels. There is a reason why FF7 was so popular. And it wasn’t just 1 scene, it was the built up, the relationships and bonding. This game was… something else.

[@RainbowRoselover1354]

“Sephiroth opens his barbecue” has got to be the craziest way to describe Aeris getting shish kebabbed 💀😂 but I agree

[@muffetmissulena6540]

It’s 2024 and we’re still calling Aerith “Aeris”

[@SBBunny93]

👀🙄

[@anubisjack]

Cait Sith is a remote-controlled bot. The OG Cait Sith said: "There plenty of him around, but there is only one me" means Cait Sith not only a remote-controlled bot, but also a conscious one. Rebirth 11:26 , "You did what you could, the rest is up to them." Maybe the controller talking to the now conscious Cait Sith New Cait Sith controlled by the same person, but maybe not the same as previous Cait Sith.

[@jessielou9138]

Yeah, I read a comment saying that, essentially, he's a cat plush toy, but knowing it was developed by Shinra, there might be an actual bio component to him and this is where the "There's plenty of me, but there's also just ONE me, so don't forget about me even if another Cait Sith comes along" is implying Cait Sith is sentient to an extent.

[@RyuEmatsu]

@@jessielou9138He’s Reeve, who works for Shinra.

[@jessielou9138]

@RyuEmatsu I know that Reeve is behind Cait Sith. But I always wondered why they treated the whole situation as if the toy cat was a sentient being. If I recall correctly, they know he's actually a Shinra high rank employee that was spying on them by this point in both games.

[@RyuEmatsu]

@@jessielou9138 i just think it’s an anime trope. Robots are people too sorta deal.

[@papertigerworkshop1174]

Think of it like Reeve having an emotional attachment to THIS specific Cait Sith and is talking to Cait Sith THROUGH Cait Sith.

[@RulerOfYore]

Rebirth actually managed to make me like Cait Sith. I used to forget he existed at times.

[@RavanaMuse]

Hes my second favorite. Or possibly first. So I was destroyed in remake. LOL

[@RavanaMuse]

He was going to replace Aerith as my healer. Then bam. XD

[@konjiki8203]

You know, while I admit that there are some aspects that I like about the OG’s take, I feel that Rebirth makes more sense. Now hear me out, why would the Cetra make the Black Materia the temple, and the only way is the solve the puzzle inside the temple, crushing you to death? From what it sounds, only one person has to be inside the temple to solve the puzzle, and anyone else looking to get the Black Materia can just wait outside and pick it up from the crater. That means anyone can have someone expendable or robotic to solve the puzzle and they are gonna be chilling outside with little to no consequence, and reaping the reward. In Rebirth, while it does seem like an Indiana Jones sequence, it makes sense. Anyone who tries to obtain the Black Materia, fake or otherwise, with only receive death, and anyone outside will receive nothing, as the Temple is destroyed to nothing, and the only way to get the Black Materia is to find the true one between worlds, and if no one knows how to use the fake Materia as a key to get it, it’s effectively useless.

[@pakman9794]

Because the Black Materia's only purpose is to destroy the planet. Anyone so hellbent on destroying the planet and everyone in it would be unlikely to sacrifice themselves for another that might not even go through with it.

[@Renyth]

I think the only thing the original could've done better was not have cait sith's replacement show up until the Gas Chamber scene. Just imagine

[@SunriseFestival]

The purpouse of Cait SIth's replacement is to trick players into beliving death can be cheated. It's what cats do. This is so that when Aerith do die, her death becomes real. And the loss of Aerith stays real for the rest of the story.

[@Jfray252]

@@SunriseFestival Cloud beating the crap out of Aerith Caith Sith: Hi i'm Caith Sith number 2!

[@devilfacethedarklord]

Guess this is what Cait sith fortune was saying will lose that which is precious to us "the actual aerith death scene"

[@Enrecave]

I can't wait for the enemy comparison video, I loved the one for remake.

[@focidhomophobicii2426]

I never forget you Cait #1 , i still have you as a key chain

[@hangelluzedu]

The Fireworks music it's so...... my eyes just fall in tears in this part. Here we now Cait just a little toy, but in this scene he gain a live. I really love this. The original version it's so perfect

[@aaronammann4236]

I played through the og FF7 and I can agree that there's more of a bond with the characters during this scene but damn, for some reason I cried during That sacrifice scene in rebirth. (Moments before he's crushed).

[@SammaelGwyn]

Look at the physics on those huge rocks when Aerith runs over them.

[@Shellcology]

it was styrofoam rocks as usual lol

[@literalghost]

That's the power of girls in combat boots.

[@PauloSousa86]

Well we if they can be a fucking dragón, ricks are like football balls to them 😅

[@bok3rnes425]

This a great Comparison Yodo Dodo. The turn based era (original) vs Action RPG era (Rebirth) ❤❤❤

[@JimHawkwind03411]

1:09 1:33 1:46 - “Poor Tifa.”

[@jonathongeiger8119]

The fact that people are saying Aerith's death feels censored completely ignored the fact that there's literal blood shown in it.

[@Thecommander248]

I do like how Cait Sith tricks the audience. The whole point of his "death" is there to make the audience think that the heroes can't actually die... all the up to the point where Aerith gets a burial at sea.

[@ElioOliver99]

Caith is the best voice in rebirth, feels so real ❤.

[@MariusBoss11458]

They turned Cait Sith's little Fortune telling to see if Cloud and Aerith are compatible into that entire date scene in Sector 5. Damn...

[@Alexia-ys6yx]

For those saying they don't like the temple not shrinking and becoming the black materia in Rebirth, it kinda still does? Unless someone is holding up the plate, like Cait does, there is no chance of escaping in time. That plate descended really quickly. Then, by the time it does reach the ground and everyone is outside, the temple is shown to collapse into itself, compressing itself into a tiny ball and then crash into the ground. I don't know if I'm just seeing that wrong, but after only playing the original recently, that's the exact same that happens in the OG, minus the collapsing as it's just shrinking.

[@iam4026]

Why didn’t they just squeeze Cait’s Moogle in between the Altar and the ground? They could’ve bought more time

[@Wesgarbarwil1420]

Holy crap I forgot about this 😭😭😭

[@ConfectionerCat]

I forgot it too and now I feel bad that I forgot about the one and only Caith Sith 😭😭😭

[@mrfandangojimmies7117]

While I think the original is oddly cute and I like the temple turning into the materia I think Rebirth is overall better paced and directed. Lot of dead air cut out and weird shit like 'are we going to date'

[@takotako808]

I love remake and rebirth..... But Og ff7 hits different... Nothing compares

[@darkxaur]

Cait Sith had his Dead Ringer equipped.

[@kato4316]

5:23 Amateratsu

[@CuteRedPanda64]

I'm not crying, you're crying. 😭😭😭

[@papertigerworkshop1174]

That's what I didn't like about the original. I don't recall as a kid that Reeve was controlling Cait Sith the whole time. I actually thought this comedic character was about to really sacrifice himself for the team and make me regret not using him more. I did regret not using him more... then another pops up when the dust settles and the moment is gone forever. At least in this one, we're prepared for this "sacrifice" but it still kind of hurts to see a little.

[@rosenrot234]

Caits movements and personality are his own. Reeve can just see thru him if he wants. He's not controlling him.

[@mauriciowinston5293]

I thought the whole temple was the black material? 🤔🤔

[@merimkastrat5846]

It was in the original, doesn’t seem to be the case in the remake.

[@rosenrot234]

in rebirth the temple is a fake black materia that can be used to find the real one.

[@αρτιαννα]

Love his music

[@blueotter5954]

They actually killed our Cait Sith... Foul.

[@TheSutanian]

They chickened out in remake, in case you just missed the scene where he reappears and youre laymanning clips and not playing the game like 99.9% of youtube commenters.

[@merimkastrat5846]

@@TheSutaniantbh its a mixed feeling for me. They did chicken out the plot but they made the scene more sadder. They chickened out the part where Black Materia is the pyramid itself. But they also showed us Cait Sith’s death, something we never saw in the original. The revival of Cait Sith in the original came out awkward and funny, while the remake made it more beautiful. Imo, they should have kept the part where the pyramid crushes them as it shrinks.

[@LeoFlipnotes]

11:42 this time, the moogle is the who has feelings!

[@jewii3824]

remember that not only is Reeve remotely controlling Cait Sith and speaking in some goofy Scottish/Irish accent, he pretends to sacrifice himself and try to make the gang cry. what a douche lol.

[@CanOfDarkFruit]

Pretty sure Cait Sith is more of a monitor with it's own functioning AI that Reeve can assume control over

[@jewii3824]

@@CanOfDarkFruit I don't think so. After the gang defeated Vincent in Nibelheim and decided to go back to the saucer, we see Cait Sith standing still and not responding to the gang for a few seconds. Prior, we see in a cut scene that Reeve was in a meeting with Rufus and the other executives talking about Aerith and the lost temple. Reeve was clearly bothered by it and therefore distracted. This led to Cait Sith not responding to the gang. I believe the logical inferences is that Cait Sith is directly controlled by Reeve, or at least directed by him in real time.

[@Mother3Forever]

He didn't pretend. Cait Sith is also capable of controlling himself autonomously. That's why he was so sad when he sacrificed himself for the Black Materia. He had developed a personality by that point. That's also why he told you not to forget him IF another Cait Sith comes along. He knew this was death for him, and he didn't actually know if Reeve would continue helping you.

[@Mother3Forever]

@@jewii3824 Dude. They LITERALLY confirmed it. He is fully capable of autonomously controlling himself. This was confirmed in multiple games.

[@jewii3824]

@@Mother3Forever where did they confirm it? I'm not familiar with the extended universe, so you could be right. But when you say "they literally confirmed it" you better give me a source better than "dude trust me"

[@cmck1777]

Are Red and Aerith voiced by the Hamtaro cast?

[@YumeinaDude]

Funny, how both Cait Sith's sacrifice and Aerith's death feel more emotional in the OG.

[@Uzumaki1218]

Aerith's death lost its weight when they censored her being stabbed and killed. The fact that it showed her being stabbed in the original added sooo much to the scene! Removing it and letting the stab be done off-screen just isn't the same as actually seeing it

[@mikedanielsapon5865]

@@Uzumaki1218 More hate to what Rebirth actually did on these scene. Here I thought we'll be crying in 4k. But nah, if nothing then we're more confused in 4k.

[@skidmc]

gotta loose something in the process

[@ullaluloo8925]

@@Uzumaki1218 Will probably wait for part 3 when we get tifa to go inside clouds memories, but it is a bummer that we have to wait like another 4 years to see it.

[@ullaluloo8925]

For me I love the ending tho. Took me sometime to accept it and understand what really is going on just like REMAKE part 1. Got me confused and shit, but I love it

[@EmetSelch.]

I like Cait Sith

[@GitGudFox]

His name should be pronounced "Catshee" since a "Cait Sith" is a spelling variation of "Cait Sidhe" which is pronounced similar to "Banshee" because Banshee is traditionally spelled "Bain Sidhe." A "Cait Sith" is just a "Hill Cat" or "Spirit Cat" in Irish folklore which is why he has that accent.

[@DisemboweII]

First of all he has a Scottish accent, not Irish. Second, he pronounces it "Kate Sith". No need to complicate things.

[@cnkclark]

I like to think it is Reeve not knowing how to pronounce Cait Sith and presenting himself the wrong way the entire time, unaware. 😂

[@GreekAndro]

Cait sith hasn't got an Irish accent. It's Scottish.

[@samihamid6074]

Its not Irish it’s Scottish

[@sandorcleg7393]

Cait Sith friendzones Tifa for Cloud in front of Cloud, awkward😅

[@jackiejackie7159]

There is a huge diffirent, in og Cait was gone, death😢 then another Cait exacly like him came along to replace him. in rebirth Cait is back as the same cat, same memory, that Cait never have died, just send in the avatar to be crushed, so... less emotional.

[@berrytimee]

But...yeah it's the same dude??? Like reeve didn't die, he still controls cait even after

[@michaelgiuseppesalvatore4912]

yes but Cait Sith in the original game ranged from forgettable to hateful, so his death has no real impact, also because the role of that death was to deceive you and make you believe that no one else would die because the classic sacrifice of a member of the party has already happened. And in the end, except during his presentation, it is never relevant that he was not the same Cait Sith, he is treated the same way. in Rebirth however, just the fact that he wasn't in the party, but it was his spontaneous choice to reach them and save them, shows how he had actually grown fond of them and how he regretted having deceived them, then as a character he is much more present and likeble, then the fact that the temple was actively collapsing makes his sacrifice much more "necessary" from a certain point of view because otherwise everyone there would have died, then the fact that he returns during a scene of temporary calm and not a scene of chaos and inappropriately allows him to reintroduce himself and apologize while the others listen and can respond to him. so, in my opinion, Cait Sith's sacrifice came out better in Rebirth than in the OG.

[@ThomasWeaver1992]

The old one was way better. He wanted us to never forget the original. His cute dance made his death much sadder. Also, popping up during a dramatic scene was honestly kind of funny. The remake made this scene feel so generic by comparison.

[@King-2077]

Both are ok, the og made you hate him and dont care about him due to the fact that he kidnaped a girl and blackmailed the party. Remake made you like him.

[@adriancarton5182]

He is robot thing, So he can transfer his consciousness to a replica body. ✌

[@Kopie0830]

What? I thought the cat was real but the robot was the fluffy white bunny thing?

[@venrossx]

@@Kopie0830 u should watch or play dirge of Cerberus! If u wanna know more about it

[@patrickt49]

No, they're both robots controlled by Reeve

[@dariusjarvis1992]

That's why they had both spares, smart kitties😢😊

[@ArtFromHer]

@@patrickt49 No, Cait Sith is inorganic matter controlled by Reeve, and the moogle is summoned by Cait Sith.

[@GozUnlimited]

So if they're able to grab the black materia and escape with it in time, what would stop Sephiroth from just taking it and escaping? I thought the point was that the Ancients made the Temple itself the Black Materia so it was exceptionally difficult to take because in order to turn the temple into the black materia, the person inside it solving the puzzles would be crushed and killed in doing so. Essentially making sure no one could take it. The remake seems not dissimilar to Aladdin taking the lamp and escaping on the carpet. Another pointless and inferior change from the original FF7 story in my opinion.

[@DisemboweII]

I'll assume Sephiroth can't navigate the temple, or even enter it, because of how overflowing it is with both pure Lifestream energy and Cetra "stuff" made to fend him off. Otherwise yes, he'd just teleport around the world grabbing what he needs and pissing off to the Norther Crater to summon meteor in a single day, haha

[@corknakovastein]

reds voice is the only one that doesnt match. They should of used the same voice from Advent children

[@TheManaTree777]

He is a teenager. His voice fit perfectly.

[@GozUnlimited]

​@@TheManaTree777In the original game, Bugenhagen states Red XIII is 48 years old. But his species has incredible longevity so his 48 years old would be the equivalent to 15 or 16 in human years. So he is not a teenager, he's 48.

[@rosenrot234]

You mean the soft teenager voice he had in advent children that sounds pretty dang close to what we have in rebirth? Reds a teenager that grew up with hippies. Of course he's gonna sound a lil goofy

[@abrahamtusan3373]

Rebirth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OG Nostalgia people: "OG ItS BetTEr 🤓"

[@acejumper1681]

Rebirth's version of this scene is so much better.

[@Mother3Forever]

It's worse. In the OG, he literally DIED. They just replaced him with a different Cait Sith entirely. He's not the same person, he just looks the same. Cait Sith isn't just a robot. He's a robot that had memories and the ability to develop as a person. They neutered yet ANOTHER scene that was SUPPOSED to hurt.

[@unaanuiwan774]

@@Mother3Forever Tbh, I had more feelings about Rebirth Cait Sith than the OG... In the original game he felt so blend... When he died, my first thought was : " i'mma get the equipments back right ? lel "... In this one, I used him in my team, I loved him and really felt like he was a character... not just a robot.

[@unaanuiwan774]

@@Mother3Forever On top of that, I must admit remake and rebirth did better in some ways... (except the whispers thing, it took time before I finally accept it) For example, in the OG game, a lot of scenes felt so much light hearted, like a comic relief when in remake/rebirth, you really feel the seriousness of some scenes and find it more well paced : there are still funny times but they don't overshadow the real priorities. In chara dev aswell, they made it better for some like Scarlet, which I couldn't care less but defeat in OG. After Intergrade, I really had a strong hate on her and defeating her in Gongaga was more of a revenge than just a boss battle... Same thing for Yuffie, her intro was better and I don't feel like I have to actually convince you, really. Don't get me wrong tho, the OG do keep a special place in my heart but I have to admit SE fulfilled their promises and I'm glad with that.

[@Mother3Forever]

@@unaanuiwan774Then you're an idiot. Shut it.

[@Mother3Forever]

@@unaanuiwan774Just shut up.

[@Luhamster]

Sorry, I have a question. Why is Cait Sith still alive?

[@juliuscasar7202]

Its robot number 2 😂he died forreal

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Think of Cait Sith as a drone, he’s controlled by one of the members of the Shinra board, “Reeve”. A plot point that should be made clear to everyone during the Midgar Invasion by Diamond weapon.

[@Timothy1395]

Reeves has multiple backup Cait Siths.

[@napkinsnaps]

every recreation of an emotional character moment in rebirth falls completely flat. either ruined by sephiroth bullshit or out of place action and/or addition of a boss fight. there was no redone moment i felt was done better in rebirth. which is funny since i actually love a lot of the story in the side content and feel like they let more quiet moments play out and stand on their own

[@kilo1012]

I thought the handling of the reveal that Cait was a traitor landed much better in Rebirth at least

[@teaz3139]

Here's one thing I don't get about people's complaining about Rebirth/Remake: the original still exists. Rebirth isn't trying to be the original; the characters have meta-knowledge of the Compilation. Aerith sees the future. Zack survives. Sephiroth is everywhere. Characters reference things that happen in alternate timelines. It's not trying to be the original; it's a companion piece! Why hold it to the same standards? Rebirth isn't trying to erase FF7; the original is still out there, easily accessible.

[@leoryzap]

I much prefer the rebirth version of these events tbh. Unlike the black materia stuff and almost everything else that happens in this chapter of rebirth

[@flipdlt-pm7un]

I hated the changes in Rebirth so much that I don't recall any of that running away outside the temple. LOL what's done is done though. Really hope they just put an end to this franchise with part 3.

[@niksolu]

The og one is so stupid

[@werewolflover8636]

The story of this game looks like it was written for children! Characters that died in the original game which was meant to create emotional impact and served the story have all been written to only slightly risk their lives but always return while everyone carries on like nothing happened. This is trash and I’m glad I didn’t waste my money on this cliché mess!

[@teaz3139]

It's not TRYING to erase the original. It's a companion piece, an alternate universe, a what-if. The game makes it really obvious that Aerith is going to die and Zack already survives somewhere because it hinges on the idea that you've already played or know of the original. It doesn't have to hit the same emotional beats twice every time: it's not the same game. The original is out there, and you can still play it! They're not deleting every copy of PS1 FF7 because the remakes are out now.

[@MrKing-x6k]

Batter than og 😂

[@erickreyes7902]

Cloud laughing 🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@aidenblaze075]

HOW DARE A CHARACTER SHOW EMOTION😱😱😱😱😡😡😡

[@andreystark7548]

I hate Cloud FF7 and Shinji Evangelion They're a Dead Weight Oh I hate myself 😢

[@lolsnez7542]

L

[@Pale_Crow]

Worst character ever