Yugioh Deck Build Packs Are A Failure For Everyone Involved

Justin explains why yugioh deck build packs are terrible for everyone involved.
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[@dracoblizzard7944]

Also as an extra thing, often times these decks are only made playable by later support, which can be at high rarity. Trying to pull 3 Welcome Labrynth is already expensive enough, but you also need 3 Secret Rare Ladies and 3 Ultra Rare Big Welcomes, from separate core sets with even more secret rares and only 2 per box, for the same price.

[@domicraft6341]

Random Lance of Dragunity in a set with not a single other Dragunity card goes brr brr. (Or every other card this happened to insert here)

[@historyking9984]

I hate the favoritism of the ocg over the tcg

[@Gboy86ify]

That's pretty standard Japanese behavior though.

[@anakinsmith4770]

it's like pokemon and a certain orange lizard

[@kiliosai]

You cant blame the OCG for the stuff the TCG is doing.

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

The ocg branch of konami has to approve all decisions made by the tcg

[@Gboy86ify]

@@MonkeyFightTCG So they really did just go "Hey let's fuck our western fans."

[@OlgaAshburne]

The fact that a product with "deckbuilding" in its name has horrible pull rates that makes it impossible to build a deck even when you buy a whole box is downright insulting.

[@mrmeow2297]

I like when you expose game products /game companies like this. Too many KZbinrs are fine just screwing their naive viewers over.

[@streetgamer3452]

It’s not the KZbinrs doing it’s the company. Don’t know why the KZbinrs are brought up.

[@axelnova123]

@@streetgamer3452 A lot of them are sponsored by konami themselves, if you don't see a conflict of interest there I don't know what to tell you.

[@alial-kateeb5267]

KZbinrs don't go out of their way to screw ppl just because they are sponsored a lot of KZbinrs do tell you not to buy sealed buy singles etc That said everything they do regardless of it being intentional or not influence prices viewers and many things

[@streetgamer3452]

@@axelnova123 99% of them tell you to just buy singles. They open the product to show it off, but literally majority outright tell you not to buy the packs themselves. Yugioh is there JOB or at least the main theme for it. Do you really think they can just NOT accept sponserships from Konami? “Oh but even if they say don’t buy packs they’re still advertising,” no not really. They’re showing off products and outright saying the product is bad and use alternative ways to get the product. Saying that would be the same as saying monkey fight talking about Yugioh, in a good or bad sense, is advertising the products because I mean hey they’re still showing off the product even though they denounce it.

[@kylespevak6781]

The KZbinr is just making a living through clickbait whereas your naivety is what is your downfall. Don't fall for the Nigerian Prince scam

[@BlackKyurem5]

Even worse is that the Deck Build Packs decks by themselves aren't normally any good and require a card later down the line to "fix" them and when they do get fixed, the Deck gets even more unobtainable

[@paleasaghost-5799]

I think the practice of Konami in the OCG is really good. Sadly we can only dream.

[@Ragnarok540]

The TCG is such a scam... But Konami has seen people will pay $1000+ (sometimes up to $2000) for a single deck, so they have no motivation to make stuff more affordable.

[@justfurniture6620]

If only yugioh players had enough self respect to recognize this and do something about it

[@Schmoltis]

With 6 rares per pack and only 35 per set, they get boring fast cause you pull duplicates instantly, especially with only 3 ultras per box. And I opened up 10 cases (120 boxes) so I would know. Terrible ratios. Only positive thing is the collector rares look gorgeous. I miss the old sets, they aged much better.

[@FacetiousEnigma]

I can't imagine how much more accessable the TCG would be to new and budget players if good cards weren't short printed and pull ratios weren't awful in boxes of cardboard that cost as much as 35 McChickens. Its incredible that a card like The Bystial Lubellion is worth $60-$70 in the TCG, $18 in Korea, and $30 in Japan despite OCG printinting quality being significantly higher and OCG rarities looking better. It doesn't help that online simulators like DB and Omega offer the entire card pool for free. This leads to players feeling apprehensive about investing in cardboard especially considering the steep prices for good decks in the TCG. Why would some one want to give money to a greedy company knowing they've intentionally made it harder for you than their homeland for no reason?

[@mostarda-s4c]

And it's such a shame too because the deck build packs have some of the coolest ideas in terms of design and mechanics and art... I hate how Konami TCG handles monetization of this game

[@TheoJay615]

I hate the deck build pack ratios so much. They never feel good to open and that's compared to OTHER yugioh sets! I think the fixes are simple too: either use the OCG ratios or do 1 CR + 6 ultras per box. But Konami knows they can get away with it. And they'll keep getting away with it unless their bottom line really starts hurting.

[@simplyyunak3189]

Fun fact from OCG amazing defenders: purrely was not an UR 50€ Card like in the TCG but a common

[@WinterShorts0]

I never understood why Ultra Rares were as hard to find as they were. For instance you can pull 3 "Purrely"'s and like 20-30 of "Purrely Delicious Memory"'s, but what are you going to do with the other 17-27 "Purrely Delicious Memory"s you don't need at all? Trade them to people who already have a bunch of that card and are just missing the harder to find Ultra Rares of the necessary archetype?

[@grafzeppelin4069]

That's the point. It's to force every player to effectively buy at least 3.333 boxes of every set (and that's being very generous, assuming that there are 2 other players who each want to play the other 2 archetypes from the DBP, AND no shortprinting.)

[@joshcruzat3112]

Thank you so much for creating this video. What sucks too that these archetypes, regardless of playability, could just be in main sets. Especially the unsupported or underpowered archetypes like Vaylantz or Ogdoadic they could easily be bulk commons/SRs that later down the line if its found to be meta/popular can have their rarities increased in mega-tins or other tcg products.

[@malfeasancewithornament7573]

True man, konami in tcg is AWFUL. Man I want a fucking pot of prosperity for consistency. In ocg is even common, here? MORE THAN 60 BUCKS. I fucking hate this games sometimes.

[@defectivesickle5643]

OCG Prosperity was never printed in common?

[@malfeasancewithornament7573]

@@defectivesickle5643 price of a common*

[@golem2008]

its frustrating because I think these could be some of the best product by far in theory. unique decks with interesting matchups and similar powerlevels that are designed independently from the overall cardpool, a sort of prebuild deck bundle for friends to play with. but right now theyre a weird mix of bad structure deck, random boosters and non functional battle pack.

[@farbencut]

“Hey Timmy, my mom just bought me 30$ worth of a deck build deck! I’m gonna build a new deck with those cards!” “That’s awesome Dave! I can’t wait!” *And then Dave proceeds to not be able to build anything because he didn’t get the most card for any of the decks revolve around; they are all UR*

[@emilchaos1489]

I hate that TCG players still just consume product that gets worse and more expensive all the time.

[@ProBAgar]

So here’s what upsets me: What exactly is the method by which we as a community change this? Konami’s business is centered around its ownership of an IP and by the nature of that it has a monopoly over who can print cards and host official tournaments for the game. This alone is why i think copyright as a whole is a fundamentally terrible idea, especially in a modern age where taking old ideas and adding onto them or making them fresher is just becoming more common. But because Konami controls the printing of cards and when tournaments are held, and because people are willing to pay thousands of dollars just to go 4-3 drop halfway across the country to getting anti-spell flipped game 3 with a baronne protecting it, there will still be complete idiots buying product at $4.50 a pack when the packs aren’t worth even $1.50 a pack. Furthermore, stores have a problem functioning without it, and local stores are absolutely not a business I want to get caught in the crossfire. I haven’t purchased any product besides the megatin in over 3 years and i know that it hurts the local store, but I try to buy singles from them a ton to make up for it because boycotting the product is the ONLY WAY to make them change. Konami will keep getting worse until their box sales and YCS attendance rates drop by 30%, and 30+% of Yugioh players aren’t willing to plan a coordinated attack like this. Everything you just said is true, but to what end?

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

a bit of spoilers here, but i'm working on a video talking just about how we can get konami to change their policies, while still supporting LGS's. It's a bit drastic so i'm taking some time to work on it, but it is very possible to beat konami.

[@ProBAgar]

@@MonkeyFightTCG Wow i did not expect an optimistic response. I'm very intrigued and hopeful to see what you've come up with, because after PPG and the adjusted list fell through I kind of just thought it was a lost cause. i'm thankful people are aware and trying to fix it.

[@grafzeppelin4069]

@@MonkeyFightTCG If your answer is "buy singles," that's a fool's errand. Konami still gets exactly as much money as if you bought the boxes yourself.

[@cheaterxl243]

Well i like packs where every card is atleast super rare but i prefer the sets where every card is ultra rare even if the cards are not good because ultra rare is my favorite.

[@Head0.25s]

Just another day of Justin roasting Konami, I like it. (You actually have very legitimate points and valid arguments against Konami's practices towards its western consumers)

[@Sleepy0173]

I remember the first time I got a box of one of these and was like "hey where's the 4th ultra" and be told they only give 3, which makes it feel pretty bear bones. It is pretty bad how these are on average 3 ultras per archetype, from which you often need 3 ofs, and they get mixed in with 2 other archetypes and you wouldn't be looking for. In addition I never would trust Konami to not shortprint something as I remember the pull ratio of Nekroz of Brionac back in the day. Even the core sets. I dislike the way we lost rares and are drowning in commons. If, say, they turned 2 common slots (maybe even 3) into rare slots, they'd make rares not be harder to pull than modern supers and not turn commons as worthless. Then with all the deck-build pack stuff they could probably combine them into the TCG main sets and have the 120-ish sized set balance the rearrangement of ratios.

[@TheHige42]

Even though that is very true, but there are bad collector rates that don’t make up a 3rd of the box and the fact that Konami then releases more support for those arc types and how unfinished some were at release like rescue ace ogdoadic amd orhers

[@sepheiba]

I see people open ocg Japanese packs, they are better and the cards are not bent, all the English cards I have are bent

[@bryanmerel]

I really can't believe how freaking abysmal Yu-Gi-Oh TCG was

[@carebear_sakura4674]

Don't forget that 3 URs per box is not guaranteed, you can get screwed and only get 2 (like some youtubers did but it's okay and they were "satisfied with their pulls" since they can't s**t talk daddy Konami)

[@Razma39]

These sets are awful they are called deck build packs but actually building a deck from them is impossible. If you want anything from these sets just go online and pick them up it's 100% guaranteed to be less expensive than buying the sealed. It's wild to me that these products are so bad because konami could really sell a lot of product if people had a realistic chance of building the decks they want from them.

[@grafzeppelin4069]

But, if you go and buy the singles anyway, Konami ends up selling the same amount of sealed product as if you'd bought it yourself.

[@TiTuS0]

I come back to this video now after seeing that Vanquish Soul has 7 ultras in its deck build pack 🤣 the ultimate heist indeed

[@jimmyha1898]

The reason is simple. In the OCG, people speak with wallets and do not buy bad products. We do not. Konami has no reason to care about consumers here. They are a business.

[@chrisengland3798]

A fair thing to note is that there are way more stores that focus on card games in Japan as compared to the US. Those price for URs could be higher. That being said, i purchase boxes more for the wrappers, and I'm not a fan of having multiple targets on a wrapper that are close together.

[@REIDAE]

I dont blame konami for taking the business opportunity. TCG consumers happily pay vastly inflated prices for inferior quality (tcg card stock and foiling is trash!) products. Konami would be stupid not to take the chance to make more profit.

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

Yeah but we still cant let konami off the hook entirely either. It's just a hard situation that needs change from both parties.

[@sneakman9873]

It really sucks because I want to build a Rescue-Ace deck. The card art is some of the best I've ever seen in Yu-Gi-Oh and mecha firefighters is just cool. I've been lucky so far with the two packs that I've opened, but I wish the rates were better. These cards have already started to get a bit expensive since Rescue-Ace Preventer was revealed in the OCG. Deckbuilding doesn't really feel encouraging.

[@Zanji1234]

well konami can do whatever they want since so many players are so hard invested in the game they buy EVERYTHING

[@spoonerboy6281]

Yeah, i left the game because konami is full of bullshit and players are so dumb to stop consuming whatever konami does.

[@mentes1679]

Definitely beside legendary duelist one of the worst things I've seen.

[@seanr.6498]

And yet they're the only booster boxes I'll (occasionally) buy because opening core sets still feels dramatically shittier.

[@vollied4865]

I'm so glad you mentioned how they used to be supers and secrets, but I'm a little sad you only mentioned the last few of these sets where we started to see the scummy practices begin, before that they used to be a really good product I remember buy 4 boxes of the destiny hero one and building all 3 decks with only like 1 or 2 cards missing playsets or at all. The tcg is the worst card game on the market after dragonball super, and I can see why theyve started increasing prices cuz they clearly aren't growing anymore with constant horrific formats and endless player complaints and banlists only designed to sell product not fix the game.

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

Thanks for liking tbe video! Look there were alot of examples I could choose from and I picked the most recent beacusr they've definitely gotten worse.

[@jurtyt4514]

I may be stupid… but aren’t these designed as draft-like products in the ocg?

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

Not really it's more so just a smaller pack style in the ocg

[@jurtyt4514]

@@MonkeyFightTCG okokok

[@paintingcube3853]

@@MonkeyFightTCG I'm hoping you can help me with something, I'm trying to build an ideal Exodia structure deck that still works when any of the five pieces are banished. Simply by building the deck to do more than just delay time and draw cards until I get Exodia by going on the offensive to still win the duel by summoning boss monsters from my extra deck to win should any Exodia pieces get banished: Exodia structure deck cards: ash blossoms droll & lockbird soul charge 3x triple tactics talent 3x max c 3x pot of greed 3x graceful charity 2x dark factory of mass production 2x foolish burial 3x there can only be one imperial order exodia 5 each monster reborn infinite impermanence legendary exodia incarnate 2x obliterate! 2x treasure panda 3x mystic mine delinquent duo 2x swift scarecrow 2x waking the dragon 3x extra deck: d. d. crow shock master xyz infinitrack fortress megaclops naturia exterio ra sphere mode 2x borreload savage dragon swift scarecrow if there's any refinements or changes, I'd love to know, I'm pasting this comment around for others to see and critique.

[@rejeneracion027rejeneracio5]

Don't worry konami are going to reprint this card one Day and is going to be more easy and cheap just like ancient guardians ... Wait -._-.

[@UnicornGamingRX03]

It’s like they don’t want new players, just up rarity and make the old guard pay upfront to keep up with the meta.

[@thefinalskarm1754]

We've been robbed, and nobody speaks up about it. one day, one day.

[@redoctober67]

I'm gonna stop you right off the bat. Pull rates are terrible for EVERY TCG set, and that's because, compared to the OCG, we have many cards that exclusively printed at higher rarities. In the OCG core sets, NOT A SINGLE CARD IS EXCLUSIVELY PRINTED SECRET OR HIGHER. That's right. The highest exclusive printing is Ultra Rare, and MANY critical cards are printing as Super Rare, or even standard Rare. The TCG gets boned in every way regarding pull ratios due to our rarities.

[@yuseifudo6075]

That's...... what he said in the video?

[@ShmarveyXD]

We all should start buying ocg products only. Maybe Konami will get the hint

[@grafzeppelin4069]

Imagine if like half the people attending a Regional or YCS showed up with OCG cards or proxies.

[@ShmarveyXD]

@@grafzeppelin4069 that would depressing XD

[@jenkins464]

But then you wouldn't be able to partecipate in officially sanctioned konami events where you have a chance to win an ugly playmat and a sneakers chocolate bar, so...

[@frankunodostres473]

tbf we've gotten many great and fun archetypes and legacy support from these packs so not all is bad. imo you can fix them with one simple solution: give them the same rarity distribution as core set. 18 SR, 4 UR and 2 SCR. yes, make a few of the UR slots SCR instead. OR make it 2 guaranteed CRs. that way you get more for your money, more packs will be sold and more cards will be available which means they will be a bit more affordable. boom solved the problem for you

[@xanthos8661]

So many new arcatypes i would love to play, but cant cause these fcking box sets make three of so dame expensive. 20 dollors for a box! We really are gettinh super ripped of here in the states.

[@fentimablader]

keep it up, these are some great insight

[@EpicMTGMusic]

take it BEFORE, when they were only secret and super rares. They were awesome.

[@FrostTcg]

😂 this is funny cause i was showing earlier how i opened about 20 packs of maze of memories... pulled the same 3 auper rares. Between 2 walmarts in my area. Ive only had success buying a case.

[@franchottwoodjr6181]

I agree with everything that you said in this video.

[@babysinclairfan]

These packs are generally boring and the archetypes they introduce are either disgustingly meta breaking or completely unplayable

[@noodles2459]

iT sounds like if I want cheap cards I will need to import them or proxy.

[@APEX4EVER]

Was just saying this yesterday

[@WaterBoy-id8kr]

Just fly over to the Philippines or Malaysia. Why Philippines or Malaysia? Decent TCG scene at both and they speak a lot of english so you probably wont need to learn the language. Also both are OCG and not TCG.

[@narfd.8837]

Small correction on Collectors Rares: They do not work like Starlights, you pull 1 roughly every 2 displays, not every 2 cases like Starlights. Considering the bad Ultra pull rates that doesn't really make a huge difference though. I think that Konami basically has to up the pull rates for Ultra Rares, at least from 3 to 4, but I think they should just straight up double it to 6 per box. Otherwise there is just no chance in hell to ever build something off the current DBP's. Earlier ones at least had very few ultra rares (back then secret rares) of note in general, meaning you could often build 80-90% of the decks from 4-6 boxes (shortprints aside), but right now that is just not possible.

[@TiTuS0]

5 ryzeal ultras 4 maliss ultras 😀

[@electricpeople7826]

Yugioh boxes are like 70 usd minimum

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

There's a lot a variance for boxes. Online you can easily find them for 60. In my local area I find them for 80. I went with the cheaper to look at these products at their best.

[@GreyGaymer]

Oh hey, that sucks super hard! What's the solution here? Pressure Konami?

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

I am currently working on a video about that topic. I'm taking my time with it so it might be a while.

[@GreyGaymer]

@@MonkeyFightTCG all good! I appreciate it! Good luck dude!

[@polocatfan]

just buy singles

[@grafzeppelin4069]

If I buy boxes, Konami sells 10 boxes (on average). If I buy singles, Konami sells some TCGPlayer seller 10 boxes, who opens them for me, and sends me the singles. Konami still makes the same amount of money, and you just screw yourself.

[@rng9214]

the problem is that it drives up prices as well

[@defectivesickle5643]

Something key I think you missed about the OCG deck build packs *You're not guaranteed a Super Rare in each pack* Most of the time, that Super Rare slot is gonna be replaced by yet another common that's, in my opinion, in one of the ugliest rarities in the game.

[@grafzeppelin4069]

I'm sick of this whale talking point, "You're not guaranteed a Super Rare in each pack." WHO CARES? And if you think Commons are ugly, no one cares. I want affordable game pieces so I can play the game. Commons are the best rarity for actually playing the game, because they're the least likely to warp. Whales like you get serviced nonstop by Konami, to the point where they're now pre-reprinting (reprinting a card before it even comes out) Commons as OTS Supers because you cry about having to play some token Common one-of in your thousand-dollar deck.

[@Rayquaza894]

These are my favorite yugioh sets……

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

they're one of the best concepts for yugioh sets. But they're just bad for the consumer as they are right now. They should be retooled to be more worth it for players.

[@kennydarmawan13]

Man, that stinks. Modern Horizons does this idea better for MtG.

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

Yeah, but modern horizons is insanely overpriced. Like absurdly overpriced. Plus power creep.

[@kennydarmawan13]

@@MonkeyFightTCG true. True. Price is something Yu-Gi-Oh! always has over MtG. For all of Legendary Collection 25th Anniversary's faults, it's not a scam unlike Magic 30th Anniversary. I'm happy YGO keeps their MSRP unlike MtG. But at least Modern Horizons provide a lot of new cards for us to play with, even with the dumb power creep (Hogaak, Astrolabe, Wrenn and Six), while the Deck Build Packs can get boring fast with only about 30 new cards and the other half being reprints, making a weird Masters product that should be better off in a bigger, more complete set entirely.

[@NeviTheLettyFan]

I agree Konami is too greedy

[@NeviTheLettyFan]

At least we get cheap staples But that's about it

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

at least we sometimes* get cheap staples

[@NeviTheLettyFan]

I regret not buying Droll for half a dollar At least the prices in general are way better than before, back when I started Ash was like $20 and now you can get one for like $4

[@Achoko12345]

it's a game, not a life

[@simorghfeather5119]

the common cosmic cyclone and the dupes of droll in tactical was pretty nice for me

[@celtic1842]

That's because most Yu-Gi-Oh cards go by how good they are not by how rare they are 90% of the time and you're always better off in this game saying as quickly as possible. And not holding it and waiting until it increases and price. If you buy a pack for bull say 1$ and you open that nine car pack and one of those cards turns out to be $15 you're better off selling it as soon as possible because it's going to lose its value very quickly. Especially if it's not a very good card

[@monoskill4059]

This always just seems like ballant racism

[@Achoko12345]

what's up with all of you screaming racism

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

Beacuse konami treats the ocg audience way better despite the potential financial gains they could get from treating the tcg audience better

[@kylespevak6781]

I don't think you can really fault a company for you not being able to make your money back when you buy an obscene amount of cards. It's called gambling. You're spending money with the hope that you can make a return or even make money but nobody sends to focus on the possibility of losing until it happens

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

It's not just a money back thing, it's a product value thing. When someone buys a set, they should get enough product to justify the money spent. With these modern deck build packs you really can't get any decks from them without spending 100's of dollars. Older deck build packs did let you semi easily build decks from packs, even if it was the weaker decks from the set. A pack called a deck build pack should help players build a deck. Plus we also have the ocg where these things are priced at $20 each.

[@MoskalMedia]

@@MonkeyFightTCG The problem with the "it's gambling" argument is that they already have an element of gambling in the set by making 10-15 of the cards Collector's Rare. There's no reason the Ultra Rare pull ratio should be this abysmal if they already have CRs in the set. You can have an element of gambling that makes players want to buy the set while also making sure players who spend enough are able to build the decks from the cards they pull out of the boxes. I bought three Ancient Guardians boxes the year it came out, and two of those boxes were quite cheap at a reduced price ($40 I think?). I ended up getting 2 copies of TiSolfachord Beautia, 1 copy of the remaining URs, and no copy of the Ogdoabyss, the Ogdoadic Overlord. So in three boxes, that was nine ultra rares, and I still didn't have enough copies to build any of the three decks. As MonkeyFight points out, it shouldn't take 10 boxes just to get enough URs to build a deck from the deck pack.

[@setantasque]

well my first amde pack had pretty memory and my 7th pack had pretty memory collectors so flex

[@franchottwoodjr6181]

First.

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

You are not, shame