NEW Milwaukee Dual Battery 20" Chainsaw and Other New Tool Releases

[@ClimbingColt]

I switched over to “packout” style boxes from rope bags a while ago for tree gear storage. I overall prefer boxes for their stack-ability/ organization. Just can’t leave them under the tree to play out rope, they don’t take a hit as well as bags…. Thanks for the vid Zach!

[@zaccheus]

@ClimbingColt Ohhh, that's an excellent point. I did set up a lift stabilizer on a packout box once. It took it, but I don't think they would like impacts 😬

[@blackdog_arb]

I also use packout heavily. Checkout the tool bags. Their 15” tool bag will fit 200’ of 11.7mm rope no problem and can take more of a beating than the boxes can.

[@zaccheus]

@@blackdog_arb that's an excellent idea! Thanks for sharing that info!

[@Demodad68]

Love seeing the video to get the visual of what you and I talked about last week, really cool stuff.

[@bioniclife]

This was a cool opportunity! Milwaukee has a great lineup. I love their big 1/2" impact. I was able to break the nuts loose in my 24 yr old Bush Hog to change the blades. I had tried and failed with my pneumatic impact.

[@zaccheus]

@bioniclife That's awesome! I like their stuff too. My half inch impact gave up on me while I was taking the tires off of my dump truck 😬 I sent it in and they repaired it and sent it back all free of charge.

[@brandon-rustystreecare]

Pretty neat to see all the new stuff they are coming out with. I love their power tools for automotive work. I have a bunch of them 😂

[@5chris520]

Love Milwaukee batteries. Their drills are top-notch. Also, I think they have the best telescoping pole saw. I think Husqvarna has the best top handle saw. I've seen a video of climbing arborist using the pack out boxes, and it seems like it could be useful. Can't wait to see you put that big saw to the test

[@zaccheus]

@5chris520 It's ll good stuff! I have the most experience with the top handle saw. It and the husky with have their place. One is good for trimming the other is better at hogging off crane picks

[@MikeBrooks12550]

Hey Zach, nice coverage of some of the new Milwaukee stuff. I think Milwaukee is one of the better battery platforms out there, and seems most their tools for the most part are top notch also...

[@zaccheus]

@MikeBrooks12550 Thanks! I think so too. They're definitely not the cheapest and not ever tool is the best, but they have a good warranty and seem to do pretty well overall.

[@osagejon8972]

Cool stuff from Milwaukee. I was thinking about how engines develop less power at altitude while I was in Yellowstone this past week. Battery saws couldn't care less about altitude.

[@zaccheus]

@osagejon8972 That's an excellent point! No tuning changes needed or anything. I hadn't considered that.

[@Sethhaun78]

I bpught the 200.00 Milwaukee packout bog box on rollers with suitcase style handle..for the grcs mounts straps..but i cant barley lift it out of the truck had to put it on trailer roll it off.

[@zaccheus]

@Sethhaun78 Yeah, I used to keep my grcs in a pelican case. It's just too much to put all in one case.

[@Sethhaun78]

@@zaccheus I only had the base that goes around tree I'n the Milwaukee big case on wheels rectangle one 200.00 bucks..just that and strap for grcs and still couldn't lift that at least not regularly..I use milk crate now

[@zaccheus]

@Sethhaun78 I hear yah. I just leave mine in the tool box and carry the pieces to the tree independently. They're too heavy to put into anything really. A milk crate sounds like a good idea!

[@Sethhaun78]

@@zaccheus I put grcs itself in milk crate with padding...and use regular green dolly to carry things ..have had huge logs on that dolly I just replace tires with harborfreight tires as needed. Went threw 2...8 dollar tires in a year pretty good...before I had this ditchwitch....I used dolly to pull up logs on utility trailer have 12 and 14 ft utility trailer s. ...hand loading logs last 5 years and last 2 years very sick has been nighmare....I bought the grcs truck mount..so when possible not to carry or use that heavy tree mounting system ..the truck mount is simple it's plug and play...you just set the grcs in it..put a pin in and your ready to work . No straps no pri bar....it can be mounted vertical or horizontal..wich you cannot do on the tree mount...version...you can run a redirect to the tree or object or another tree with a block...or you can back truck up facing the tree your working on and aim straight at it ..just put block at the base of tree..hence straight on pulling..

[@br-dj2ti]

Great video buddy as always my opinion I don't like the battery stuff I know some people do I just don't think I'll ever like it I love gas-powered and I stick with it but hey to each his own God bless everybody stay safe

[@zaccheus]

@br-dj2ti for sure. There is nothing wrong woth stick with what you like and what you're skilled with. Battery saws are a different animal. They have to be run a little different and it's hard to figure out coming from gas.

[@tristardiggin]

Some pretty cool new tools coming available. I was impressed with that electric chainsaw. Great video…

[@zaccheus]

@tristardiggin Thanks, Sam!

[@boomupengineering]

I bought Milwaukee Packout drawers for small tools and RC hobby supplies in the house. Crazy expensive but they do work fine. In some ways I like Dewalt's stuff better - less wasted space and positive drawer locks. No ideal system for me but I do need the organization so money well spent.

[@robertvannicolo4435]

Zach looks like you made it being invited to shows through your channel. As for the electric saws, yes, they work great , but the cost of a 12amp battery around 250ish would need 4 min and cost of saw and a way to charge on jobsite. Plus a new set of chaps rated for electric saws. Very cool though how far battery technology has come in the last 10 years

[@zaccheus]

@robertvannicolo4435 Yeah I did! They invited me after seeing the channel. It was a real blessing. I'm not familiar with there being a different PPE rating for electric saws, can you tell me more? Also keep in mind that this saw comes with a 5 year warranty. I don't know of anyone else that does that.

[@robertvannicolo4435]

Zach, from what I have read electric chainsaws don't have drive sprocket which makes a difference just look up electric chainsaw chaps

[@zaccheus]

@robertvannicolo4435 I watched some videos on it, and I did see one corded saw that was not quickly stopped by chaps. Every battery saw that was tested did stop. However they stopped so fast that the didn't bind up enough fibers to keep them from starting again. So there are definitely some different characteristics there. Also I saw that many chaps exclude protection from electric saw in their attached literature.

[@joebennefield3368]

Yeah 👍 when go to one them shows hook us up i want to see 😉

[@zaccheus]

@@joebennefield3368 you bet!

[@brandonswan9247]

We'll see if they can ever get batteries to perform equivalent to a 500i. Thats when they've truly made it. The cooling systems need to get way better.

[@zaccheus]

@brandonswan9247 Absolutely. They released new batteries with this saw that are ventilated and a new charger that cools the batteries as the charge, but there needs to be a way to keep them cool on the saw.

[@HappyTr33]

Are the Proto helmets about to have some competition!?

[@zaccheus]

@@HappyTr33 haha I don't know if the bolt helmets will live up to the same standards or not, but I'm interested to see

[@boomupengineering]

I have a cordless lopper, although not name-brand. Certainly nice to have, although I don't climb with them.

[@geoffreygreen297]

I can’t wait to see what people do when the motor needs to be rebuilt.

[@zaccheus]

@geoffreygreen297 Haha part and service available is a real thing. Electric motors are super low maintenance, especially brushless motors. It does have a 5 year warranty, too 🤷‍♂️

[@Technie87]

A quality electric brushless motor rarely fails. . if anything it'll be the batteries that go first. If you're into electronics you can find the bad cell by seeing the one that gets overly hot, removing it, and then solder a new one on there saving you a few hundred bucks

[@MrZimmaframe]

Interesting looking at the different size wood chips from the Stihl to Milwaukee, the Milwaukee had larger chips compared to the Husqvarna. 😄

[@zaccheus]

@MrZimmaframe Well, that's probably not the whole story because the milwaukee saws use a husqvarva bar tail pattern and the stihl obviously uses a stihl. Both chains were brand new from what I could tell. If you really want to study the information available online the milwaukee saw here makes up to 6.2 peak hp and the MSA300 claims peak power to be 4.0 hp. Also milwaukee run a slower rchai. Speed woth more torque and stihl runs higher chain speed with less torque. One will inherently make bigger chips than the other.

[@MrZimmaframe]

I have found the video and it was a Milwaukee (the single m18 model you have, good limping saw, battery angled down water runs off battery) and a petrol Husqvarna being compared. The wood chips being smaller from the Husqvarna. He didn’t swap the chains but showed the picture comparison of both chips. Emboss Garage Milwaukee pipeline event 2018.

[@zaccheus]

@@MrZimmaframe I know nothing about the single battery m18 saw except that a lot of technology has changed in the last 6 years. I'd really like to see the video if you want to link it.

[@MrZimmaframe]

@@zaccheus kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZjCeoagfq-tpJIsi=GOvLZou6OxCoLYDD 3:40

[@MrZimmaframe]

@@zaccheus DEBOSS GARAGE - HD12.0 Battery Better Than Air, Corded AND Gas? Milwaukee Tool NPS18 3:40 👍🏻

[@MikeVT]

Was the QuikLok saw on the high power setting? There is a high and low toggle on the base handle.

[@zaccheus]

No idea. The reps were all standing there behind me so I wpukd have thought that they would have mentioned it if it was on the low setting. Either way, they are not the same motor.

[@MikeVT]

@@zaccheusGood point! I was surprised how different they preformed.

[@zaccheus]

@@MikeVT me too honestly

[@julianalderson3938]

Those pruners if cab make 50ml awesome'

[@Jeff-rk8hq]

Really appreciate your insights into what you saw at pipeline especially regarding the M18 dual battery saw in particulr as I’m really curious if they made changes to their . Did they mention chainspeed? Ik the m18 top Handle 2826-20t was just under 50’/sec which was just a bit too slow for some the itty bitty smaller limbs ime that just made for a lot of chatter when making small cuts and especially when compared to the the other cordless top handle I have which is imo the best battery saw I’ve used and that’s dewalts new dccs674 60v 14” flexvolt top handle saw which has a chain speed of right near 75FPS & that ales for a huge improvement cutting smalls I mean it’s night and day, im just really hoping they were able to rectify the issue with the m18 chainsaws sending batteries to early graves. I killed 3 8ah packs in one day when I first got 2826, I was just was doggin in back to back cuts and it actually burned out the bms chip on 2 of em and another common one is a pack that only charges to 3bars. That is generally that one of the middle banks of cells getting out of balance and is easy to fix. I use a flex 24v stacked lithium battery pack in my 2826and a 3dlow pro adapter and I haven’t had a battery overheat or issue since chainspeed from the 50ft/sec on 2826 and idk about the 2727.

[@zaccheus]

@Jeff-rk8hq I don't know the chain speed off of the top of my head, but they do list it on their website. I prefer the slower chain speed for chugging through big cuts. But the chain isn't made for that slower speed. I think we need more chain options. I think it wpukd do better with full chisel

[@GuyBaptist777]

I agree... Finger remover 3000 😅

[@zaccheus]

@@GuyBaptist777 I could tell the milwaukee rep didn't like when I said that 😂

[@Technie87]

lmao the the pruners are super useful if you have trees

[@bobaverage]

That chainsaw is looking the nuts! Heavy I'm sure but if I'm not having to pull start it all day who cares! And that hedge trimmer! I'll be getting one.

[@zaccheus]

@@bobaverage I'm gonna put it on the scale as soon as I get my hands on one! They had some really good stuff there

[@bobaverage]

@@zaccheus Were you ablt to attain a price point? That Stihl is very expensive with that battery!

[@zaccheus]

@bobaverage I believe they said the saw with two 8.0 batteries and a dual charger would be $900

[@bobaverage]

@@zaccheus £700 if it were to be 1:1 exchange rate. Seems like a very good deal. The 6.0 forge batteries are £200+- here!

[@zaccheus]

@bobaverage the batteries certainly ain't cheap, but they do have a lot of uses!

[@DilynHorton]

The only way a battery saw can compete with the gas saws is just like this, comparing battery to a non running gas saw!

[@zaccheus]

@@DilynHorton Haha, fair enough. I'll do some comparisons when I get my hands on one of these things and can put it to the test in the field.

[@julianalderson3938]

Yer powerfull milwakee saw. Just needs some refining for climbin. Cheers

[@zaccheus]

@@julianalderson3938 what would ypu like to see different for climbing?

[@julianalderson3938]

Bit slimer' and a 1/4 pitch option with bar sproket. They prop have bar sproket but alot dont. Thanks

[@julianalderson3938]

Just like a sproket o roller on the tip. Dont c the point n pullin a chain round. An yer like the 1/4 pitch takes time get sharp but were mainly prune an its good. Thanx bro

[@julianalderson3938]

Lota people got echos. Great saw but then have to swap bar n sprokets to get what they want. If milwalkee could give options without havin to buy new bar. Be awesome.

[@zaccheus]

@julianalderson3938 I did talk to the project manager about giving us more bar and chain options for the milwaukee top handle saw. The big saw here had a standard kerf .325 chain on it, so there should be some other chain options in the category. Quarter pitch wouldn't survive well on this saw and I don't thinknit wpuod do well on the top handle either. They both make too much torque. All their bars are oregon bars with a sprocket tip. I agree though, it would be nice to have some options.

[@leonardvirtue5753]

Nice 😊 !!!!!🤠👌👌👌💯💯

[@zaccheus]

@leonardvirtue5753 thanks Leonard!

[@leonardvirtue5753]

@@zaccheus 🤠👌👌🤙💯💯💪💪💪

[@havespurswillclimb]

Enjoyed the video. Thanks for bringing us along on the Milwaukee Expo. They've got a huge array battery tools for just about any profession. Nice. I like battery chainsaws for in the tree work. Not sure I'd replace my gas saws for felling.....maybe ok for chunking. Depends on the weight. A1

[@zaccheus]

@@havespurswillclimb I can't agree more! I want to try this thing in the job, but I think it's going to take some getting used to. Electric doesn't run like gas

[@sanjay0196]

I can guarantee you that Milwaukee have messed with all the stihl kit to make it seem slowed

[@zaccheus]

@sanjay0196 I don't think so. That's about the results I wpuld expect from a saw rated for 3.4 hp vs a saw rated for 5.8 hp. More horsepower means faster cuts. I was bummed we couldn't get the 362 to run. It was running earlier that day but then I think some plumber flooded it and that's why it wouldn't run for us. I'll do some real, independent testing with stihl and husky saws when I get my hands on one. I really want to try this thing against some gas saws.

[@MrEvanb93]

Milwaukee or Makita? I’m looking at getting a new hole saw for crankin the Grcs the makita is so pricey tho

[@zaccheus]

@@MrEvanb93 kzbin.info/www/bejne/goDTXpx3idSraJY

[@MrZimmaframe]

The battery vents are good for cooling, but not so great if it’s on an outdoor tool and it starts raining. Vertical and lateral holes means water is gonna get in at some point, and them batteries ain’t cheap to replace at a few hundred $ a pop, water damage isn’t covered under warranty… I guess that is why the Stihl batteries are sealed when in the saw…

[@zaccheus]

@MrZimmaframe milwaukee put those new ve tilated battery through a 24 submersion test. They came out functioning just fine according to them 🤷‍♂️

[@MrZimmaframe]

@@zaccheus I have the 6ah forge and from 1 year of general farm use I had issues with moisture inside the battery causing corrosion after… yes I could submerge it in a bucket of water and it work fine if I wanted because it’s only 20v but after it’s the corrosion that kills them… If you actually look inside the battery you will see the main circuit board is not coated, rather than going by Milwaukee’s promo marketing… 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@zaccheus]

@MrZimmaframe im sorry to hear ypu had that experience with an expensive battery. I was in their battery lab. I also spent my summers as a kid on a dairy farm as a kid and I know that farms are a much harsher enviroments than most jobsites. The old high output batteries were not sealed either. It's probably more likely that your battery got exposed to something a little more corrosive than it water. But who am I to speculate about your experience. The 6.0s are also made different than the forger 8.0 and 12.0. Different cells, different circuits etc. None of its fool proof. But if you take care of your tools, no matter who makes them, they'll take care of you.

[@MrZimmaframe]

@zaccheus I know the older batteries have 18650 cells, I know the newer high outputs have 21700 cells, and the forge line has pouch cells stacked... But the boards are not protected. It doesn't take anyone 2 seconds to google the inside of the newer batteries to see what I am talking about. And no, the forge battery I have was only used on my saw in normal weather conditions, the same as I would use my petrol saw in. Limbing, fire processing, and fallen tree clearing, in rain or shine. My personal power tool line is Milwaukee, but for work, we have swapped to Dewalt. Milwaukee's make great power, which is why I invested a lot of money into their tools... I just think in daily real world applications outdoors, out of the top three milwaukee are the only ones with vent holes which let moisture in, it's just a fact. I'm not even gonna get into their 1/2" impact recall, the older 18650 5ah batteries splitting in half or impact driver gears stripping on the gen 4.

[@zaccheus]

@MrZimmaframe Well see that's where I don't think you have all of the information. The new 8.0 and 12.0 forge batteries do not have pouch cells. They have tabless cells. The HO batteries and makita batteries and lots of other brands all have weep holes/vent holes.

[@ClellWise]

Having a battery that is cool upon charging completion is definitely revolutionary. Could literally change the industry. Cool stuff buddy.

[@zaccheus]

@ClellWise Absolutely! That's what I was thinking. I asked if they had any intentions of cooling the battery while it was on the saw and that said no, but who knows what the future holds

[@joshlower1]

Electric is dumb

[@zaccheus]

@joshlower1 If you ever get a chance to try a good electric saw, you might be surprised. They're not all created equal, but the good ones are getting pretty good these days.

[@mreggbird]

Makita has had it for years on their dual charger

[@zaccheus]

@@mreggbird I have a makita duel charger. It has fans that cool the charger itself, but nothing that cools the batteries.

[@michaelwhiteoldtimer7648]

Oh to have a few thousand dollars just laying around

[@zaccheus]

@michaelwhiteoldtimer7648 I know right 😒

[@lililililililili8667]

The need to make a normal top handle saw instead of that silly pistol grip thing

[@zaccheus]

@lililililililili8667 I agree. I spoke with the chainsaw product manager and he expressed that was a popular opinion. I like the full size top handle saw, I just wish they made a smaller one to replace the pistol grip dealio

[@nickgamble4544]

Reliability issue. It ain't got no gas in it.

[@zaccheus]

@@nickgamble4544 😂😂

[@julianalderson3938]

Seemed bit of andvert. But cheers

[@alessioG7176]

you don't know how to start a chainsaw, but you want to review chainsaws

[@zaccheus]

@@alessioG7176 tell me what I did wrong

[@joshlower1]

Electric is gay

[@WildAcresFarms]

I run and build / sell ported saws. I have no desire to run an electric saw on the ground. Up in the tree? That’s a different matter entirely. They are damned convenient up there.

[@zaccheus]

@WildAcresFarms For sure, I'll even take a heavier saw over one I have to start manually. The crane operators also tend to like them because it means for less saw noise in the intercom when you need to communicate while cutting.

[@kirkstickney7394]

For cars and trucks? Agreed… for power tools? Not so much… 😎😎😎

[@Sethhaun78]

Its not by coincidence 😅every battery video show there gas chainsaws never start..funny mine all start rite up within 2 to3 pulls cold and first pull hot ..ill keep my 462cm....realy what i need is a ported 543 or 261..the 8 pound would be better 543 is only saw im aware of in smaller class for climbing 🧗‍♂️..let me know of non battery or battery options for 40to 50cc that one dont look light😮

[@zaccheus]

@Sethhaun78 I tried to start that thing several time we had it running earlier in the day, but it just wouldn't go when it was my turn to film 😒 I'll make a good comparison video once I get my hands on one

[@Sethhaun78]

@@zaccheus reason I said that was there was several other videos of Milwaukee electric tool show type things where same thingbthere saws wouldn't start ..not because of your video..think that was 3rd tile I've seen that maybe more...try a properly tuned 94r. Polesaw combi.that and Milwaukee are fastest 2 polesaws I use 94rcombi daily..only because I just bought machine and all my yearly renewal insurance was do so am behind plus has medical issues last 9 months or more..greatful to be healing up some and have tp get on some other medications for month or so..the antibiotics helped infection greatly..was crippling pain compared to kidney stones they said and I felt

[@zaccheus]

@Sethhaun78 Oh man. I'm glad you're on your way to feeling better then. That sounds awful.

[@kbittorf335]

I heard Stihl wants to be 80% battery power by 2028. I have the single battery Milwaukee rear handle chainsaw with 1/4 pitch chain and it performs well, but it‘s heavy! Neotec makes a clone of the 543 for less$$$. The 543xp and the 540xp mk3 are actually Zenoah made saws as Husqvarna currently owns that company.

[@Sethhaun78]

@@kbittorf335 no chance..society cannot run on electrical only tools and cars..would be 200 percent failure