Why Banjo Is Mediocre in Smash Ultimate, and How He Became Better in HDR

While many fans were excited to see Banjo included in Smash Ultimate, there has been some debate over whether or not he's a strong addition to the roster. We'll start by looking at Banjo's initial release, where he was met with mixed reviews and then we will show how the mod HDR, made Banjo's animations more expressive, and changed his combo flows for the better!
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[@gabedelvalle4309]

I really hope Banjo gets in the next Smash and gets a few tweaks like these. He has such a good base in Ultimate but little fixes like this would really make him shine!

[@ZachHonest]

Agreed!

[@spaceace9103]

Hey Gabe 👋

[@madness9651]

I don't think they want to cut characters anymore because the last time they did, it caused pretty heavy complaints from fans that, first the cuts from Melee to Brawl, which they redeemed with Smash 4, but this in turn couldn't include Ice Climbers because of the 3DS and both versions also had different stages, which all made people so unhappy, that they specifically created Smash Ultimate as the "Ultimate Smash", basically as the title says, and with something like that you cannot downgrade anymore. However then they went so wild with 3rd Party titles that I am a little worried about the next installment...Nintendo certainly has the power and money to negotiate the return of all of them, but their concurrents know about this too and might either charge more (in which case Nintendo might withdraw because greed) or just say "no" to actually hurt their competitor. Idk, I didn't even want any of these besides Banjo and Sonic, and would have preferred if Nintendo had only selected characters from the Banjo, Conker, Sonic and Rayman/Rabbids (which aren't even in the game) franchises, due to their heavy association with the Marioverse, to which the largest number of Smash characters belong.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@ZachHonest Here's a good Banjo match kzbin.info/www/bejne/ep6wqYqPp6plm7c.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@ZachHonest Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense. In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well. Breegul Blaster can be used to pressure opponents. One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.

[@DiazoContent]

If Smash Ultimate ever has a final new patch, they need to completely buff Banjo. He feels so lackluster with his moves. I'd rather take Banjo buffs than Steve nerfs

[@Mr__Jack]

Honestly, the saddest part about Banjo is that his problems as a character aren’t a core part of his design like Little Mac or Ganondorf. All he needed was a few well placed buffs and he could’ve been a much better character. But, as of now, most of his moves just don’t feel like they do much. Not to mention Banjo has the second highest aerial landing lag in the game. Only Sephiroth’s is higher. What were they thinking?

[@Aidswayz]

As badly as I wanted Banjo in smash, and absolutely love their animations, god what did the smash team do to them… I will always be so grateful to the team for putting them in the game and the love and care that went into their animations but man I really hate their moveset. Hope this new version is much better

[@solitaria.7773]

This comment. But sora

[@lioheart55]

​@@solitaria.7773 Nah Sora is good. His playstyle is a good representation of how he plays like in kingdom hearts especially 1. His offstage presence is also really threatening and he's pretty fun to use as well.

[@solitaria.7773]

@@lioheart55 Exactly his moveset only favors KH1 instead of KH2 or BOTH. like.. why the fuck does sora have a counter? he's not a generic fire emblem character. his side b could of been flowmotion from khddd, idk call me bias i guess but i prefer his SSF2 moveset.

[@solitaria.7773]

​@@lioheart55 i just don't like ultimate's sora as a whole. not even just moveset. literally all the music in ssbu is from KH1 1.5 remix. his default alt is from KH1. twilight town is not even a stage NOR in the game as a song. they chose the worst version of hollow baston (theme) when KH2 2.5 remix rendition is better. LITERALLY and i mean literally the only thing i like.. is that they at least made timeless river sora an alt. that's it. (Look. i'm glad sora is in smash. and he came at a very important time when i was dealing with grief and depression. but i feel like sakurai only played kingdom hearts 1 and ignored the other games and that clearly shows when KH1 is dominating the entire percentage of representation)

[@lioheart55]

@@solitaria.7773 his counter is meant to look like his block and counterattack from kh1. That was an essential move in kh1 so it makes sense for it to be referenced since there isn't any other moves they could use for a down b. I also wished they had chosen kh2 Sora or 3 but they decided on a more simpler approach so kh1 was the game they chose to represent. I don't like how they try not to stray to far from kh1 with there song selection though. 10 songs is good but they're mostly kh1 songs. At least they could've had variety. I like ssf2 version of Sora just as much as I do ultimate since they both create a unique version of him based on different games.

[@JonathanH]

Here's a few things that were either inaccurate or stuff that I wish you mentioned: -His reveal was in 2019, not 2018. -You called Mario "Wario" in one part (not a horrible mistake but just one that bugged me, especially since you were talking about his aerials) -You didn't mention the fact that Banjo's f-air in HDR has a spike sweetspot. It's really cool. -All of his new moves in HDR are ported from a separate mod for Banjo (in Ultimate) called "Old Bear, New Tricks." Great move on them to merge it into HDR imo.

[@baguetteboy8976]

So glad your covered HDR banjo :). He's my HDR main and I've been trying to push his character a ton. Here's to hoping this brings more people to him

[@johnnickfanaccount3492]

How do you play hdr

[@misantrope6267]

​@@johnnickfanaccount3492with your hands 😎

[@scass1100]

These are pretty cool, especially the aerial side special being different and using red feathers

[@bluarrow4505]

As someone who uses Banjo in tournament, I’d like to say you don’t really touch on Breegull Blaster. The move has a lot of tech that opens up Banjo’s combo game, damage output, and kill power. He has several strings for solid damage potential, as well as kill confirms at early percents like Breegull Blaster into Wonder Wing around 90, or Breegull Blaster into Up Tilt around 110.

[@Zastralord]

I love the idea of changing his neutral air into Pack Whack. Coming from someone who mains K. Rool and doesn't care too much about tiers, my main disappointment with Banjo in Smash isn't even that he's bad but that he's just so unsatisfying to play as IMO. His moveset is littered with so many weak multi hits or just generally attacks with unusually low kill power for Ultimate. And his combos being so few in numbers on top of also being really specific and situational does not help. Its also why I like the idea of normalising his down throw without the bury effect since that makes it useless at low % and inconsistent at mid to high % in Ultimate.

[@dumithegreat3892]

Banjo in HDR is fucking golden. one of the best glow ups ever, and C# is the goat for making this mid ass character that i was so hyped for, so amazing

[@yobin3711]

Banjo is actually the reason I'm so upset that the tier list was changed to make Echo Fighters share a numerical ranking with their base characters, as opposed to being 9th and 10th or whatever placement. I get that having them share the same spot makes more sense, but before that change Banjo was ranked 69th with a score of 4.420. Which was Nice.

[@CSharpM7_]

omg its me! Thank you for covering this!

[@goGothitaLOL]

at least Conker is in Smash Remix bonus for being one of the brand-new characters exclusive to it (the other being Marina), everyone else is a deport (tho it's nice to see all of Bowser, Dedede, Mewtwo, and Marth in Smash 64 be a reality now)

[@LHSMeleeClub]

🎉🎉🎉

[@ZachHonest]

I still want an official version too!

[@dankomusto]

As a proud HDR Banjo player, this makes me happy

[@BlaxxShadow]

I cried when Banjo Kazooie made it in smash. All the years of wishing and hoping they would be revived or at least make their smash debut and it finally happened. So it hurt when they sucked competitively lol. We may never get Banjo Threeie, but I hope the duo are at least remembered and called back to fondly.

[@Datenshi-Beats]

I teared up as well. Love Banjo Kazooie. This HDR ver. surely seems to make them more fun.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@Datenshi-Beats Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense. In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well. Also Banjo's nair can sometimes damage characters on shield. One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage. While King K Rool has a grounded Bury, Steve has a resource gimmick, and Ridley is a heavyweight with a double jump. Banjo is the only character in the game to have all three of those things.

[@Nba_Obelisk7459]

I think bro forgot he can hold up b for it to go further, cause he kept saying banjo has a bad recovery when even without wonder wing it is quite good

[@michaellee4463]

Not to mention they have an infinite recovery when combined with their grenade

[@Substantial-hf1rm]

It has no hit box and is slow enough for an easy spike, it's only a good recovery if your opponent just politely lets you back on stage.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@Substantial-hf1rm I recommend Jplay he makes Banjo look cool kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWaUqYugZtSFnck.

[@goGothitaLOL]

you shoudl talk about Akuma in SSBU Championship Edition or Toad in Ultimate S Custom Characters in Ultimate are recently on the rise with more on the way

[@brandonwilliams6119]

I’ve seen a custom Toad on 64ios Channel it’s really good!

[@SlammerFr]

Banjo's design annoys me so much because not only is he undertuned, he's not even really accurate to his design in the games. Like, banjo's aerial attack in the n64 game where kazooie pecks in front of him while stalling aerial momentum is super iconic and would have made for such a cool forward air. He should have had much more interesting movement options as well. At least they got his down air and dash attack right

[@dustymcwari4468]

I dislike how they just copy pasted Mario’s FAir because “hur hur 64 buds”, and what should’ve been his FAir was moved to his BAir

[@orangeslash1667]

@@dustymcwari4468 I recommend Jplay he makes Banjo look cool kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWaUqYugZtSFnck.

[@krubbington]

I love that new up tilt animation so much, and down-throw not burying anymore actually makes it look more satisfying

[@cloudshines812]

Banjo and Kazooie was the first Smash DLC fighter that got me extremely hyped. I loved the old games growing up and I thought the concept of them working together in Smash worked well. As time has gone on, they fall under the same umbrella as Byleth and just being “an average and annoying character to fight”. However unlike Byleth, I do hold a soft spot for BK. (Not the restaurant)

[@orangeslash1667]

You know how Byleth's gameplay focus's on Punishing and being patient????? The same thing can be said for Banjo, he's too slow to be aggressive. So you have to be more methodical. Banjo Tooie boss fights have always been ether running away from the bosses till they expose them selfs or zoning.

[@Jinxypoo100]

@@orangeslash1667good point ❤

[@orangeslash1667]

@@Jinxypoo100 There's a reason what Spiral Mountain is a big stage, it teaches how to platform. Which is what Banjo is about. So comparing him to Steve, Kazuya, Pyra and Mythra is unfair because their stages are smaller, thus requiring less platforming.

[@heartnet40]

Banjo is like the reverse of what happened with Min-Min where the dev team didn't feel confident in throwing a pure zoning character into the DLC so just like Min-Mim they gave him shades of a different moveset. (Snake's psuedo-brawler and trapper moveset is an example of how Banjo feels.) The issue is that unlike Min-Min who got incredible normals that let her get people who approach off of her, Banjo got a bunch of moves that dont really *do* anything. Which I'm sure on some level they thought was "fine" because hey, they're references, but Smash have proven to me especially lately that some characters are either damned or saved by the ties to their references. Banjo is definitely damned by them because they straight up don't provide him any meaningful tools to help him in neutral or especially in damage. I'm not *really* a fan of Banjo, but having grown up with his games, I was genuinely scared he was going to end up being lackluster because I knew how dedicated the team was going to be in cramming his kit with references and charm rather than good game design. They had already done this with Megaman who feels pretty stiff in his game design so I had a feeling Banjo was going to get hit with this as well. Maybe he would have been better if they picked references that were geared more towards Smash's gameplay but I really don't know if they can be convinced to. We need more moves like Banjo's D-Tilt, which is both a great reference and a pretty good attack in Smash.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

>Cramming in References in a Moveset They’ve done that in Nick All Star Brawl and to some extent Multiversus Sometimes they’re a hit or miss

[@docs.a.t.7161]

In those cases though, it's for legal issues. NASB doesn't have even alt colors because Nick is so restrictive

[@orangeslash1667]

@@docs.a.t.7161 Banjo Kazooie feels like a high risk hight reward version of Duck Hunt Dog. Their both camping characters that encourage more defensive play most of the time. Duck Hunt is more simple thus easier to learn, where as Banjo is more in depth, but has a big learning curve. You know how Banjo Tooie bosses are about running away from them until they expose themselves. That proves that Banjo needs to be patient in a match, and focus on punishing.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@brandonwilliams6119 Banjo Tooie boss fights are all about running away from the bosses until they expose a weakpoint. Thats exactly how Banjo functions in Smash, he can't afford to be reckless and must wait for the opponent to make a mistake.

[@gridenboat]

I like Banjo a lot I can still remember his trailer and my joy after seeing it even if I never played his games (just on the back log of games I need to play 😅). When I first played him offline I thought he was a very weird character he felt like a smash 64 character with some weird utility options, that had very little use in pressure or defence and to rely on tools like his grenade to get in which isn't a bad thing but he doesn't have anything to open people or threaten people on defense to make it hard for your opponents to do there thing. Also because of his bad Arials and tilts it makes it hard to stap against characters that just out range him. Seeing as HDR changed his moveset for the better is very amazing, even though OG smash could not do it I'm glad that at least the fans are giving him the respect he deserves. Also Zach back with the BANGER music choices.

[@OrbitalFrog_]

This is a Ganondorf situation. His moveset is not great, but it is so ingrained into my mind that I can’t imagine him anything else

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Despite being a DLC not even Banjo could escape having an fairly average moveset with some animations stolen from Mario or if you’re competitive, not a very good character to play. Even if Sonic was a DLC I don’t think he would’ve gotten improved but hey who knows, it would be funny to see how many times Sakurai mentioning “for this move, Sonic spins into a Ball” for a Sonic Presentation.

[@AshTonnet-dn1we]

when was the backpack throw used in the original banjo kazooie game?

[@roval7]

Holy shit, y’all’s comments make it clear why Sakurai wanted to distance Smash from competitive play as much as possible.

[@andrescube64]

I remember when I popped off when they showed the reveal trailer for the bear and bird

[@ZeoLightning]

i like the ideas for pack whack and the new up tilt, but they just lack the charm and interesting synergy the originals had. not a fan of removing the bill drill. most of what banjo needed was just better frame data, end lag and being stronger.

[@Chillarmyssb]

Can you cover Pichu if there are significant enough changes to warrant a vod?

[@pallukun]

ive been playing banjo kazooie for the first time recently and i definitely think the aerial wonder wing should have been a beak bomb, but i think it should just be a different animation instead of a different move

[@ricardoludwig4787]

Where could I actually watch HDR tournaments? The meta seems interesting but I havent seen any vods

[@DanTalksGames]

That change to the side B is actually genius. Limited recovery is one of his biggest problems, but it would be impossible to make easier without buffing Wonder Wing too. Giving the aerial version a different resource and effect, and making it another iconic BK stable move, is a really satisfying way to redesign his recovery without making wonderwing too strong.

[@BrandonWhatTheF]

Ganondorf in HDR video maybe? Edit: First reply mentions Ganondorf in Ultimate S. Covering that would be cool too

[@goGothitaLOL]

or Ultimate S, that could work too

[@BrandonWhatTheF]

@@goGothitaLOL True. I like what Ultimate S did with Ganondorf.

[@perfectnamesdontexi-7932]

@@BrandonWhatTheF I think Wubor Patch has a few interesting changes to Ganondorf as well.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@BrandonWhatTheF Ganon was never planed to be in Melee the only reason he was added is because his model matched Caption Falcon, in other words him being a Falcon clone is the only thing keeping him in Smash in general. However Ganon does represent the Zelda series from a symbolic sense. Ganon has the Triforce of Power, so Ganon in Smash has a powerful moveset. The problem is thats the only thing he has, so you can't afford to make a mistake when playing Ganon.

[@BrandonWhatTheF]

@@orangeslash1667 Oh dude I know. I've watched damn near every video essay covering Ganondorf in Smash. Now here's the thing, I aknowledge that Captain Falcon is what got him into Smash, I don't agree that it kept him in there. It's Ganondorf. Of course he was gonna get into Smash. If not in Melee, then Brawl. If you think about it, being introduced in Melee is probably what held him back. Cuz now he's just slow Falcon. Powerful to be sure, but giving up speed in a platform fighter is almost a death sentence for viability. His viability could have been better off if he was introduced in a game that didn't have a rushed development period.

[@dextra_24703]

Interesting how his down throw is now a dominator from wrestling

[@loading....001]

Well, glad to know that Banjo and P l o n t are more or less knowledge check characters that can surprise people by their X-Factor mechanics, I still love the bear and bird... Wanting him since 4 actually when I decided to look at the past at that point... He's deserved this for so long tbh :)

[@SpongeBobGamingAhoy]

Even tho i don't think Banjo is "Mediocre" HDR really did a good job of improving some of his weaknesses and give him buffs but yeah loved the vid ;) .

[@johnax4124]

Honestly nah I think if you’re gonna make this many changes you should try to get more references, it’s pretty Kazooie biased though Tooie isn’t treated too bad but even still -I do not like the bill drill removal for this reason -Fair is okay but canonically the backpack swing works only when Kazooie isn’t in it, yes the official one is the wing whack which she can only do out of the backpack but she’s also kind of popping out of it so I think it’s fair Rest is fine but can go further, above all else I’d wanna see grabs either be backpack if we’re willing to do backpack moves, or the wrench from nuts and bolts. I’d argue the fair should be the wrench though it’s a spinning move in NB so maybe fair? But kazooie swinging it forward also works imo. But grabs with the gravity manip stuff like it’s a main series banjo game like it or not, it should have some content imo

[@ChrisMasloff]

Are you not Holding up+b to get the highest recovery ?

[@zechariahcaraballo8765]

I almost became a banjo main out of spite to the old players that wanted him in and said stuff along the lines of "I hope the microsoft rep is banjo, and not the weird kid block game guy", when they got their character and it looked like I was not going to get minecraft in the game, but I was not mad, I was happy someone else got one of their favorite childhood characters, but then banjo was mid tier and none of the boomers crying for this bear wanted to play him cause he was "boring" so I wanted to main him and be a top banjo player out of spite lol ( I think I got decent with him too), but I just did not have the time to learn him cause of some irl stuff, then steve came out, and so no matter what I was gonna main the guy from my favorite video game of all time, no matter how bad he was, and people thought he sucked when he first came out cause of him bad mobility, but I stayed a steve main till the end, and look how things turned out.

[@madness9651]

Fun fact, both Banjo and Conker were originally part of the Marioverse, due to debuting in Diddy Kong Racing, which has a story campaign taking place in the physical world (that is the Marioverse). One can also easily recognize the design similarities between the Banjo and Conker series and Rare's take on Donkey Kong, especially DK 64. However, while I can see Nintendo wanting to negotiate both Banjo Tooie and Diddy Kong Racing for their NSO emulator, as these were some of their best titles and they are running out of content for N64, I have doubts that Conker's Bad Fur Day will receive the same treatment, because...I think it may be a little at odds with the company image nowadays...

[@tjlnintendo]

I don’t see why they won’t allow conker. Rated M games are a thing on Nintendo’s system

[@orangeslash1667]

@@tjlnintendo Conkers game play is too simple compared to Banjo. Without the violence Conker doesn't stand out compared to BK and DK. The other problem is that Banjo was the 10th best selling N 64 game, Conker was a failure. Also Conker fights a Xenomorth as the final boss, and Ridley is a xenomorth with wings. Conker becomes a solder at one point, which Snake already does in Smash. Making Conker in Smash unnecessary.

[@ZachHonest]

11:34 apologies for the slip up *opponent, not oppenant.

[@happyg4006]

Song at the start?

[@banjogamer64]

W in the chat for conker

[@Titus921]

good video only thing is that Banjo was release in 2019 not 2018.

[@KirbzillaAsuka]

Hey at least we have Conker in SmashRemix

[@SuperNintendoChalmers096]

I hope they fix him in a future smash game so he can be viable. And he doesn´t even need too many changes, just make him hit and KO harder, don´t make him rely on projectiles so much and make wonderwing chargable after 5-7 seconds so the move isn´t waste

[@niteriemcfarlane5285]

and give him the other special eggs from tooie in his moveset too

[@SuperNintendoChalmers096]

@@niteriemcfarlane5285 yeah!! I can not understand why they didn't give him his egg selection from Tooie, knowing Sora and Hero has specials that can change with a list or after using one

[@orangeslash1667]

@@SuperNintendoChalmers096 Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense. In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well. Also Banjo's nair can sometimes damage characters on shield. One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.

[@N12015]

Banjo-Kazooie's issue is that they just... don't do enough of anything. That's something very important in smash titles, to be jack of all trades master of something; Mario has lots of combos, Joker has Arsene, Diddy has banana peel, Wolf and Ness have kill power, Palutena has invincibility, Yoshi has superarmor and horizontal mobility, R.O.B has Gyro and D-Tilt, Inkling have their dash, Mii Brawler has kill confirms and Fox-like vertical movility and even Pit/Pittoo, as average as they are, can shield mid-air with down-B. What can Banjo-Kazooie do in comparison? Nothing really. Combo? Not really, his moves have fairly high base knockback. Space? Neither. Kazooie is as much of a disjoint as Steve's pickaxe or the Kokiri sword. KO? Nope, as you said his KO is surprisingly limited. Rushdown? Not at all, his initial dash is way too slow for that playstyle, and so is his frame data and air speed. Zone you? Kinda, but for what exactly? It's not like a Samus, R.O.B, Snake or even Wolf who can zone you to condition your gameplan with strong/fast aerials; besides, turtling is not how they fight in their games. Is not as bad as Doc's lack of moveset cohesion but is just so underwhelming that there's no wonder why no one plays him.

[@orangeslash1667]

I recommend Jplay he makes Banjo look cool kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWaUqYugZtSFnck.

[@Bailadoxical42069]

HDR banjo is best for me as a banjo player,He can Spike with forward air

[@WilliamiteWilliamiteStudiosWWS]

People should add kero the wolf to their super smash bros mods

[@Zakawer2]

Banjo was actually added to _Ultimate_ in 2019, not 2018.

[@susiehaltmann3342]

You know i just noticed how every dlc character has a unique gimmick to them that helps them stand out. Joker has arsene, hero is uhh well hero, terry has GO! moves past 100%, min min has her arms that are interesting and unique, sephiroth can get his one winged form, steve is well steve, kazuya is literally ripped straight from his games and has a unique rage mechanic, sora has the fire thunder and freeze moves from kingdom hearts. But byleth and banjo, they don’t really have anything special

[@ACGamer123]

Everyone: "We want Banjo in Smash, and we want him to play like he does in his games." Sakurai: "Okay, he's here. And he plays exactly like he does in his home series." Everyone: "Ew, no he's absolute garbage. This sucks."

[@BBB-pe3ip]

"Exactly"? Wow... where do I begin? Banjo doesn't spam backwards grenades, but it's his main strategy in Smash. He also has Fire, Ice, and Clockwork Kazooie eggs. An Egg menu (similar to Shulk) would be more accurate. His forward eggs don't bounce like Mario's fireballs. Banjo's Wonderwing doesn't fly through the air like Flare Blitz. He can stand still or control his direction. It feels nothing like Wonderwing. Flight Pads don't exist. Transformations don't exist. B-air feels awkward, d-air feels risky, and dash attack feels clunky, whereas they're his main attacks in the game. Banjo has no air speed and Kazooie's jump feels weak, and much more... Banjo plays almost nothing like his home series. He plays like some Frankenstein monster fusion of other characters.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@BBB-pe3ip Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense. In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well. Also Banjo's nair can sometimes damage characters on shield. One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.

[@zitoarias4354]

I am still convinced to this day based off how bad the move set is, that Sakurai never played a banjo game.

[@gabedelvalle4309]

The fact that Kazooie's beak is so weak in Ultimate, when it feels so strong in the og game, proves your theory

[@rayminishi689]

Wario & Ganondorf mains: "First time?"

[@orangeslash1667]

@@rayminishi689 The reason Wario farts is because it's a reference to Wario ware Smooth Moves.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@gabedelvalle4309 Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense. In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well. Also Banjo's nair can sometimes damage characters on shield. One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.

[@roosterboots4684]

The Kazooie erasure in this video is shameful. She's more than half the character

[@herewego5679]

As a banjo main I think HDR did a pretty decent job fixing some of his weaknesses, though stuff like his up smash turning into up tilt is just weird, and aerial side b was a tad but unnecessary. All banjo in ultimate needs is less endlag, and increased damage to be higher on the tier list. (Invincibility on up be start up would he nice, like joker) and maybe more than just 5 uses of side b. (If joker can get arsene 3 times in one stock with moves that kill at 80 at ledge. Banjo deserves it too.)

[@Greatdragon999]

While I do think banjo is not good, you severely underrepresented what he CAN do. His move set is far from simple, it’s very complex actually especially since moves have multiple uses. For example, up air landing hit middle can confirm into fair or bair. Up air far hit will push opponent inward and you can combo into fair and it’s pretty safe. Banjos grabs are easily some of the better in the game, Down throw may not be consistent but it’s very good for setups against any player, and fthrow Easily pushes opponents into grenade which you can then wonderwing or fair. Nair is one of his best moves, it shield pokes, kills offstage respectively, and drag downs, is a combo finisher, it’s a really good move, people rarely fall out. Dair does suck but you can use with grenade offstage so you don’t die and spike opponent. Breegull blaster is not used to keep people away, it’s only used at a very slight distance to get nice positional combos and setups. The damage % kills were really off too, up tilt can kill as early as 95 and on average 120. Upssmash is super weak and kills around 130-150.

[@alexanderallison584]

THIS. It's such a shame that almost nobody knows what Banjo can do in Ultimate. Still not competitively viable by any means, but the character has a lot more than people realize. If you can pull it off, there's a tech that allows Breegull Blaster to true combo into a ton of moves, even Wonderwing, which is easily Banjo's best kill confirm.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@alexanderallison584 Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense. In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well. Also Banjo's nair can sometimes damage characters on shield. One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.

[@sbsb7352]

another banger by the goat

[@BusPM]

Banjo was released in 2019 not 2018

[@dr.wolfstar1765]

I'm a banjo main. He has the best mix ups in the game. He's underrated

[@KingBobbyG1223]

Yo I see my skin mods in there :0

[@ZachHonest]

I got the HDR skin pack lol 😆

[@KingBobbyG1223]

@@ZachHonest I didn't know they were in that, that's awesome

[@ScytheJackal]

New sub

[@ZachHonest]

Thanks for subbing

[@miguelsi7543]

I miss Conker 🥲

[@J_pliskin]

Honestly never understood why his dair didn’t work the same way it did in his home game , that’s just a misopportunity right there

[@mastergamerinfinity4862]

Am I the only one who didn’t have any problems with Banjo’s Moveset, I mean he plays perfectly fine so what’s the fuss?

[@Braillionaire]

I agree with the overall take on Banjo in Ultimate and think he looks dope in HDR! That being said... Some of the takes on his ultimate form seemed way off to me lol Banjo's Nair is one of his best moves. It crosses up shields giving him mix-ups on shield. It's quick as an out of shield option and hits around his body. It drags down and gives him loops and grabs out of air to air contact. Down throw is a good throw setting up his kill setups since his kill power isn't the best. And Down B is a really solid move. I agree that Banjo isn't good in the game, or a low mid tier character at best, but this take on his moveset was really off to me. Also, Banjo's recovery is great lol he is floaty, but heavy. Has three jumps, can reset his jumps with his bomb which he can grab instantly out of the air by B-reversing the move and can act out of up B even with any of his other jumps. Banjo isn't great, but I feel like you completely under sold his strong points. Lol

[@Braillionaire]

Yeah, I'm a Banjo player. Lol I was just slightly triggered lol Still enjoyed the video though! And I'm interested in checking out HDR

[@orangeslash1667]

@@Braillionaire I recommend Jplay he makes Banjo look cool kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWaUqYugZtSFnck.

[@Prod_Venny]

Banjo's old nair was decent but new one cool too

[@Aserl]

Early gang!!

[@namelessone5022]

I understand the struggle having to push to the meta an underwhelming character. My main is DK, always loved him, but it's hard to play, despite me analyzing over and over the YT videos on the best DK players (ChunkyKong comes to mind), I was able to perform most of his trick moves (especially his turnaround air down B) but lack of experience kills me often (I got the game 4 weeks ago). I also want to purchase Banjo Kazooie DLC, as I'm also a big fan of the franchise. He looks also very fun to play with, seeing the demo. Sadly, I feel I'm not good enough for online plays, I want to first being very good with DK and Young Link, and when that happens, I might think of purchasing that DLC and the character. The game is really fun but mastering a character is so difficult and time consuming. I found online some cracks who comboed to death my poor DK... I felt responsible for being so bad with him. And I don't want my Banjo to follow the same bloody path. So when I feel more confident, yes, sure.

[@orangeslash1667]

I recommend Jplay he makes Banjo look cool kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWaUqYugZtSFnck.

[@samthesnowman666]

need buffs

[@destronlaserwave9566]

Conker in Smash would be absolutely goated. I love the games, and he deserves a spot alongside other gaming icons.

[@ZachHonest]

100% He deserves it 👏

[@bluechips5042]

Never got why people thought he was mid in smash, he plays like the n64 games and that’s good but no one seemed to really care enough, guess 20 years of begging means nothing

[@Enigma75614]

I miss Conker.

[@xxrainbodkidxx5508]

Them making banjo bad might be nintendo spiting their old partner for going to Microsoft. I dont blame them either

[@Nikkerman]

HDR Banjo is mabye the most fun character in that game imo

[@SonicTheCutehog]

I'd rather have simple character than a character that breaks fundamental rules of Smash and are not fun to play against (basically most of the other DLC characters).

[@ZachHonest]

There's nothing wrong with him being simple, but I think some KO buffs and combo game buffs would be nice for banjo.

[@SB2749]

Which...is not what HDR did to Banjo here, unless that wasn't your point. In either case I do agree

[@SonicTheCutehog]

@@SB2749 I just meant in comparison to other DLC characters. A character being simple isn't a bad thing. Hell, simplicity was one of the major appeals to Smash compared to other fighting games at the time.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@SonicTheCutehog Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense. In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well. Since Banjo has good dashing speed, he grabs can be pretty good. One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.

[@stankyleg6535]

I'm quite sad banjo was how he was in Ultimate. Usually is played like a camp machine and odd. Should have gotten a little better

[@Chillarmyssb]

i miss conker

[@cometboyu7848]

Ngl, kinda feels like your downplaying banjo's down throw. At higher percents it can become a cruel as tow where you need to either mash really fast cause banjo could use his smash attacks, but he can also use his up tilt to catch the opponent if they do escape really fast. Buf if they choose to wait for an uptilt, then banjo can just use a smash attack. Either way, it's much better than you think.

[@Skivv5]

GET THIS TO 1K LIKES!!!

[@Monhamd1000]

Conker is already in Smash. Like Smash Remix for example, and yeah Banjo's moveset was kind of disappointing after awhile until HDR came in to fix him!

[@paulroche6969]

Pretty inarguable Banjo is the weakest DLC character. He's consistently rated above PP in nearly every tier list, but the only person on the planet who plays both characters at a high level, Brood, got way better results with solo PP to the point where has almost completely dropped Banjo and Kazooie. It's absurd that B&K were hardly buffed during the lifetime of the game.

[@spaceace9103]

I just wish banjo had more moves, most of them are just Kazooie

[@SB2749]

Seems pretty accurate to their moveset in the original games if you ask me. Especially in Tooie when they're together

[@orangeslash1667]

@@SB2749 Remember how it takes about 6 minutes at best to beat the Hag 1 in Tooie??? That's Banjo in a nut shell, you have to be very patient or be really good with Breegul Blaster.

[@Jinxypoo100]

I love banjo he’s so underrated!! He’s both adorable and charming in his animations 🩷

[@michaellee4463]

Banjo & Kazooie finally making it into Smash but being one of the lamest characters in the game has got to be one of the most bittersweet moments in all of gaming history

[@orangeslash1667]

I recommend Jplay he makes Banjo look cool kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWaUqYugZtSFnck.

[@orangeslash1667]

Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense. In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well. Breegul Blaster can be used to pressure opponents. One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.

[@ceb1242]

They gave us banjo in smash but made him the lamest character :(

[@DissCeeg]

I know this KZbin title is wrong. I’m great with Banjo.

[@DissCeeg]

7:50 Bro you can wonder wing while holding a bomb to break their shield too.

[@bilis2866]

so is bad because meta that what im getting

[@unko4468]

Banjo kazooie hater at like GT Goku DB fighterZ

[@chrisbeach423]

My Banjo is pretty wicked. Not the best in the world but I’m pretty damn good. Anyone wanna play then comment 😉

[@chrisbeach423]

Bro Banjos NAIR is underrated. Using it how you used it is NOT the correct way 🤣

[@rayminishi689]

There's a charm to seeing the most over requested characters get in and turn out to be mid to awful 😂

[@tweezersalad4075]

Sora with the dogshit moveset

[@alexzandersonjrg862]

Tier list are lame and doesn’t reveal how good or bad a character is. You either know how to use that character or you don’t plane & simple. Don’t make excuses as to why you suck playing with said character.

[@hakiropixel3496]

SKILL ISSUE. I've won tournaments with Banjo, get good or quit.

[@Honeybread-ox5ho]

Repent and trust in Jesus you will be saved