Role Model | Oh, Gemini, Kansas Anymore, Love, Heartbreak

Role Model came by to talk about his upcoming album "Kansas Anymore", new songs, "Oh, Gemini & "Deeply Still In Love", his breakup and more!
Role Model, born Tucker Pillsbury, is an American singer-songwriter celebrated for his blend of indie pop, alternative R&B, and hip-hop. Hailing from Portland, Maine, he made waves with his debut EP "Arizona in the Summer" in 2017, followed by the breakout single "minimal" in 2018. Role Model’s debut album “Rx” was released in 2022 to critical acclaim. In the time since, Role Model has gone through a very public relationship and breakup. His follow-up project, “Kansas Anymore” is slated for release in late 2024 and details the intricacies of a deteriorating relationship. Today on the couch, Role Model discussed kicking off this new era with the single “Oh, Gemini,” the process of writing “Kansas Anymore,” and life as an LA-based singer/songwriter.
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[@lydiaelizabeth9470]

I feel like I’m watching someone’s therapy session 🫣

[@elisazouza]

mans still hurt and in love i just wanna give him a hug

[@sarahanderson9751]

It was criminal to drop this without the album

[@user-fx2qz5hq7l]

I genuinely have never seen an interview where the person cannot form what they’re feeling in a sentence… and it also blows my mind that he is very expressive in any of his albums but when it comes to actually speaking in person, he cannot get it out

[@BrandonShere]

that's kind of the point of making music sis. most artists are troubled when expressing their feelings unless it's through the medium of their art. That's what drove them to make art in the first place. the feelings you're used to hearing artists express in their interviews are rehearsed and written down before they do the interview usually. they have PR teams dedicated to helping them do that. that's why people love Zach Sang, he really is good at getting the honest person to shine through past all the PR training. (btw nothing wrong with PR training, when you're putting yourself Infront of millions of people no matter who you are you will look bad unless you train. they're human)

[@emily847]

ADHD

[@reese431]

such a weird comment

[@user-fx2qz5hq7l]

@@reese431 sure

[@thomasgeist3644]

I agree! he seem to have trouble getting out how he feels. Ok so no one asked but im gonna psychoanalyze this guy - He seem to have deeply rooted avoidant issues and he also seems somewhat anxious, which are both things that can be regulated with therapy - He clearly mentions multiple times in this podcast a lack of impulse control, and he seem to be internalizing (i.e. being introspective and blaming himself) for alot of that stuff. - Altho, it is better to internalize then to be reactionary and blame others. People who are reactionary usually have less chances to actually look at themselves and go to therapy. - I think the next step for gaining the emotional maturity he seeks is to reach the point where he realize he needs to go to therapy. - Going to therapy will help him articulate his feelings, and it might give him some insight and closure about his relationship, which might even help his song writting, since his public image will align with his songs in a positive way! Just observing here, also only listened to half of that podcast so idk

[@csowilo5391]

Zach is so good. He makes peeps comfy so they can open up. He's low key a therapist it's amazing. I relate to Tucker.. poor dude but great music so I guess it's working

[@Anastasia-ul7qo]

I love how his eyes had always a little shine😭😭

[@caitbarton4616]

Tucker is an angel. I love that Mac Miller discovered him (Tucker also went to college in Pitt, I live here now) - it gave me confidence in his music before I even heard it. But I love him as a person even more. He’s a sweetie

[@efiblv]

the way he has grown to become my favourite person ever

[@sophiadematteo3624]

i love this man more than anything

[@KYYYTISZAI]

Not I !!!!

[@creatureinside]

“Do you shut down?” “….huh?” 😂

[@Weird_fest]

This was mostly a therapy session and i love it.

[@elisazouza]

yeah he still in LOVE

[@raynahailey]

you can tell he really is a good person

[@zoedfs]

i feel like i just went to a therapy session myself, role made me do some self introspection fr

[@laurajaramillo3816]

This felt deeply intimate

[@gisellecianna]

anyone else’s heart breaking while listening?🥹

[@nataliavilla8295]

Hearing that Ross worked on the album with him makes me so happy knowing he loves the 1975

[@caitbarton4616]

I cannot wait. Two of my favorites!

[@eliapariseeee]

protect Tucker at ALL COST

[@devinlalonde6719]

this is what we all needed😭 love you tucker🫶🏻

[@SophiaLam-xx1qd]

"its good to know i can love" 😭😭I love tuck so so much ! later in the interview: "the two sides.....rainbowww *swoosh*" 🌈

[@tuckscowboyhat]

so so great to have my faves back in a room together!!! 🖤

[@carolina5609]

his eyesss i wanna give him a big hug

[@nars2467]

This entire interview >>> loved getting to see Tucker being given the space to be so authentic and speak freely from his heart (also CANT WAIT for this album, the first 2 songs he’s dropped have been on repeat 🥹) Never seen a Zach sang interview before but loved it 🥲

[@vicosanjines]

so proud of him!!!

[@Mmmkassandra]

I have listened to him since 2019, saw his show in 2022 and that's the best accidental discovery of an artist ❤

[@avakant3360]

same here! so proud of

[@jemappellebrenda]

so excited to hear this album 😭😭😭

[@sarahs2909]

The end "cut his mic bro" had me laughing too hard

[@jacobleyva1539]

Thank you for this interview

[@ashleylittle626]

I met Tucker after one of his shows from his last tour and that man is so damn kind. I literally accidentally hit him in the face with a shirt I gave him and he was so funny and kind about it. Honestly such an angel. I only wish success for him and I know this album is going to be his best one yet.

[@unknown-di2du]

emma and tucker both interview the same, they make alot of big pauses

[@carrielewis6520]

just wanna give him a hug :(

[@CKnorr_COYS]

ROLE MODEL is my ICON. Great interview Sang and Co.

[@Anastasia-ul7qo]

I love tucker more than anything in the world, please come to chile !

[@katimurphy2664]

period brother🤞🏼i'm crying

[@oliviamoxley6025]

I too am a Point Park dropout! Kind of a weird school but I so agree that it exposed me to an art scene I didn't have in a small rural town and it really inspired my future creativity!

[@SophiaLam-xx1qd]

we love hearing the tracklist without knowing about it live laugh love

[@anziocc]

he's so Jesse Rutherford coded

[@aj-nd3zz]

i though i was the only one that thought this!!!

[@storeboughtguacc8884]

this was a therapy session

[@nadatri]

First episode I watched and you’ve got a new subscriber! Really good interview 👏🏾

[@LindsayDavis-jx6zd]

Love this guy tbh

[@sonicsound84]

Yep, like this studio setup so much more.

[@sineadlyons6071]

my fav person ever

[@kellyb6634]

Yayyyy thanks T-dawg!!

[@charmainekhin4784]

love you Tucker since Blind 🫶🏽🫶🏽🤭🤠 my FAVORITE taurus king

[@noramaevereilly2986]

ily tucker keep ur head up❤

[@mxrvpb]

ily tucker !!!

[@jacobciverson]

“I’ve never been to therapy” my guy keeping it a buck

[@dianciptalestari]

My favorite people ❤❤❤

[@user-hv1vs4vg3v]

not the accidental Ross Lynch mention…😂

[@VIOLACEAE1]

This guy is cutee. i really cant wait for this albummm. from the 2 songs ive hearddd i think it's gonna be gooood. also zachh, as always you are the number 1 podcaster in my eyesss. :)

[@sara.eats_world]

Is Emma okay

[@user-qy3lz1xv8w]

Role model ❤ beautiful voice

[@amandakuhl2001]

I’m sat

[@paulagarcia3113]

The fact that we know who taught him to play guitar🥹🥹🥹

[@oopskye]

whomst

[@alterego5617]

who

[@Dutchfullbuster]

Tucker 💘💘💘

[@Elmerphant]

I completely relate to all of this. Specifically, breaking up over home sickness. Left my fiance because I missed the east coast so much (and family/home). I felt so lost and depressed. It was a mess. Also 9:10 I can relate to as well. Quiet is so lovely and space. You can be totally in love but still want peace, quiet, space. Recently watched the 3rd season of Bridgerton: Francesca Briderton is a great example of this. Tucker your music is so freaking good. I blast the stripped down "notice me" and "that's just how it goes" so much.

[@lavenderbby]

okay so he’s avoidant 😊

[@reese.w.1738]

tucker. i will ride for you, ALWAYS

[@kendalshepherd2066]

i was at his pittsburgh show for the RX tour!!! ahhhh that’s crazy

[@jacquip]

my favorite person

[@kenneth.johnson04]

Im in love with him

[@Ashyo711]

I’ll be your #1 fan!!!!

[@jacobciverson]

Savage mode for dropping on his b day

[@marywhited7411]

Good job Tuck

[@alanis8472]

Tucker!

[@soobinations]

Ngl love it

[@jayluverbug]

tapped in

[@jacobjenkins5947]

he’s so baby girl

[@macylevick5085]

YAY

[@SoROwCycle]

we need an Emma reaction video

[@444she]

the way i cant wait to hear track 5, july 19th is too far

[@dianciptalestari]

Tuck❤

[@mariahkhorasani]

tucker

[@anikalovesbryan]

Role model slayed down boots noah beck

[@gl0balenterprise]

this is so great but like. .... kinda need the songs?!

[@nikaymariano]

TUCKER OUR BADDEST B

[@kaxidoscope]

Sturniolo Triplets shoutout 🎉

[@catkeech]

Ahhh he's absolutely gutted 😞

[@mbv22311]

I loved this tucker seems like a great guy ❤❤

[@mariahezra]

The digging into his personal life and trying to be a therapist in this episode wasn't my favorite interview style.

[@melissaahoell]

ii think tucker also set that tone of like a therapy session, i think it was well needed for him, he prob needed it.

[@isabellamonaco2929]

I completely agree. This was too invasive, I had to stop listening.

[@aylin2341]

it’s not for everyone but i’ve listened to zach sang for years and it’s just his style of interviewing. he always holds such comforting and non-judgmental space that the artists end up being vulnerable and they both learn- it’s kind of beautiful. i feel like it never gets too deep. usually just talk of emotions in general.

[@theinternetdudette]

Do you naively think that tucker and his pr team won't ask about the questions asked prior to the interview? He knew what Zack was gonna tackle!! That's why he came back!

[@mbv22311]

Yeah it makes me a little uncomfortable for tucker

[@gisellecianna]

ross lynch ross mcdonald, tucker pillsbury shawn mendes. same thing, same person!

[@Kevsenkoko]

I just noticed his face/mouth barely moves when he talks lmao

[@affengehoerennichtindenzoo]

this was a therapy session for me

[@jaylety4214]

Winter really changed us huh

[@ZoeGanis]

3:45 was such a missed opportunity for making a “that’s just how it goes” joke 😭😭😭😭

[@theinternetdudette]

Him saying that he doesn't have any anger or rage is very odd considering that he is a "taurus"! 😂

[@cecilialoumusic]

He is so fucking cool

[@sev-777]

🤘🏽

[@user-in6qd4je6k]

イケメン❤

[@manuelavidal3255]

Damn i thought Kansas anymore was a metaphor about the fact that he’s from Maine and Emma is from San Francisco and right in the middle of those two states is Kansas. Literally. So it would mean like the middle of something and we are not there anymore…

[@camilafogliani788]

i can fix him !!!!!

[@nati2361]

This felt very invasive...

[@user-vn2nw4rb2j]

And now we know how they broke up

[@margaritakmp]

timestamp?

[@ashlinrose]

He’s literally just a Taurus 💕

[@EwwMyuh]

I’m something to regret but without you what am I?

[@SophiaLam-xx1qd]

the way that tucker is literarlly us gawking over ross lynch zach: do you have a crush on ross lynch tuck: no no zach: if you want us to set you up tuck: no no i dont zach: whyd you say it tuck: ronald mcdonald you can thought…everyone has a crush on ross…ronald Mcdonald

[@sydneyb1028]

I can fix him.

[@MarleeCM]

No really I can

[@oopskye]

real asf

[@tessmikel1313]

Is his album out yet?

[@beccaespp]

noo it comes out this summer!!

[@Bigmfbxxna]

July 19 I think

[@boringgsusan]

now he really be like Shawn Mendes playing the guitar and shiz

[@martinaallegrino9068]

tucker when the guy was saying Kansas 🤨