Teaching myself an upper level pure math course (we almost died)

[@zachstar]

Get the LED Solar System and other science toys over at STEMerch! stemerch.com/collections/science-toys Then something I forgot to mention for this textbook/class specifically, the pre-req's would be single variable calculus, proofs (induction, direct, indirect, contrapositive, etc), basic set theory, logic, and functions/relations. Last time I made one of these videos it was about going through the book 'how to prove it' and that covers everything you would need to take go through this real analysis book (besides the calculus 1 and 2 concepts).

[@blanksp1_]

6 DAYS AGO VIDEO UPLOADED TODAY BUT HOW H O W (joke go laugh)

[@deepstariaenigmatica2601]

make a video on the yang mills problem

[@saiprakash163]

@@blanksp1_ broken KZbin 😑😑

[@omniyambot9876]

I always buy your merch!! Can I get a LIKE?

[@jabinkooistra-bond]

Which textbook book did you use?

[@cf5330]

A mathematician calls a problem "hard" as long as he hasn't fully understood it yet. When he finally does, he calls it "trivial".

[@l.3ok]

lol complex analysis goes brrrrrrrrr

[@KusacUK]

We do the same as programmers. Really got to be careful when talking to customers though - because they generally assume that trivial means it isn’t going to cost much. Just because I know how to solve the problem, doesn’t mean the solution isn’t going to take me weeks to implement.

[@NeelSandellISAWESOME]

@@KusacUK Can you give an example?

[@kindlin]

@@NeelSandellISAWESOME Make a program? Done. Make a program with robust security? Weeks, months, years+

[@ahnekah5261]

LOL

[@connordavis4766]

As a freshly minted PhD in math, I assure you the word "obviously" in a math textbook actually just means "there was something about this list of expressions that was annoying to LaTeX."

[@fetchstixRHD]

I might just steal that now if I ever have to write something up 😂

[@connordavis4766]

@@carlgauss1702 Neither is anyone else, to be fair.

[@jamieg2427]

Congratulations 😊

[@mathexplain3149]

true words

[@jacktaylor1516]

Hilarious and true

[@daniellucas2968]

"They use the word 'obviously' way too loosely in upper level math courses." Yes. In upper level math textbooks, the word obviously gains an additional meaning. It can either have its original meaning, or it can mean "proving this fact is too inconvenient for me to bother with right now, so I'm not gonna."

[@darren9194]

My Prof did this. The proof was too long so he said just believe me on this one haha.

[@Metalhammer1993]

my calc 2 prof. "this is an exercise to you guys. Means It's super easy but i forgot how" since he sdaid that i cannot read it any way else in a textbook I just get a chuckle^^

[@sajateacher]

Obviously.

[@oli199615]

There is a theorem in a paper that I used in my master thesis, and the proof basically says: "It is obvious that this holds. [bla bla]. It is obvious that those two objects are isomorphic." End of proof. It took me half a year and a 5 page long proof with really really advanced stuff to show those "obvious" things. I hate that phrase.

[@emmaharper1090]

@@oli199615 you should have just emailed the author

[@Fujibayashi50]

"...staring at a problem and having no clue how to start it." Welcome to the life of a math major

[@KRYMauL]

Or a depressed Computer Science student

[@MrAlRats]

I want to teach myself Abstract Algebra (groups, rings, modules, algebras, etc.). I know Analysis is a separate discipline but is there any advantage to covering one before the other?

[@kenanwood6916]

@@MrAlRats No, they are completely independent. I am also going to do abstract algebra next semester for fun. I've learned a little bit of it and it is so cool!

[@linkmariofan8921]

@@MrAlRats Analysis is basically separated, at least at a beginner level. Some linear algebra is often necessary tho

[@dw5chaosfan]

On exam: lets write some definitions and hope I can get some partial credit.

[@JasonOvalles]

Real Analysis is where you talk about all the times your Calculus professor told you not to worry about it.

[@spacetimemalleable7718]

You NAILED IT! I remember my 1st Calc course where we skipped the section on the rigorous defn of limits (epsilon delta). When I asked him why we're not covering this, he said "don't worry about it". I now consider that a COP OUT!

[@lunganimyeni7633]

@@spacetimemalleable7718 Holy hell, same! I just finished Calc 1 and just writing down the definition had my mind spinning so when he said not to worry, I just took his word and moved on.

[@jacobperreault6844]

Does that mean when I take real analysis ima have to actual understand the epsilon deta definition??

[@helciovalentim2078]

​@@jacobperreault6844 Yes.

[@64standardtrickyness]

Flammable maths: "Today we are going to do proofs" Zach Star: "what was that noise?" Flammable maths: You mean proof? Zach Star: There it is again.

[@stephenfreel2892]

Zach Star: “Oh is that the German word for ‘look up table’?”

[@Zeegoku1007]

@@stephenfreel2892 This professor got some jokes 😂

[@MikeHawk-s2g]

I had a professor who referred to it as “the P word”

[@joemiller9838]

I learned my favorite proof strategy from my Linear Algebra professor, “Proof by Force.” Where you state “clearly this is true” and then no one will have the confidence to call you out for being wrong.

[@ceebbees12345]

even math jocks are simply nerds at the end of the day

[@FsimulatorX]

😂😂😂

[@Ray25689]

This will happen often enough :D I tried to understand a paper few months ago and they had one part where they wrote "Verification of the first lemma is routine and will be omitted". When I tried to proof it, it turned out to have one part that wasn't clear at all. So I struggled 4-5 days with it and then asked the authors about it. And it actually turned out to be false in general, but the main theorem of the paper could still be shown, but one had to do some extra work. Most of the time when mathematicians write "trivial", it's actually trivial. Hartshorne is a counterexample tho :D

[@matheuscerqueira7952]

So is that the history of black matter?

[@Ray25689]

@@matheuscerqueira7952 just su, thats dumb on so many levels

[@ruferd]

"Well of course it's obvious.....ONCE YOU REALIZE IT!" Truer words have never been spoken. It sounds like a contradiction, but so many times in my Math Major as an undergrad, I would go through exactly that. I'd read something that claimed to be obvious 15 times over for an hour straight before giving up. Then the next day I woke up and I just understood exactly what it was saying. Like, of course it's true. Why wouldn't it be true?

[@sam3oq980]

Johan Cruyff has this famous saying in Dutch "Als je het eenmal ziet, dan is het simpel", which roughly translates to "Once you see it, it's obvious". It couldn't be more true for math.

[@thedoublehelix5661]

Ikr!

[@anhthiensaigon]

I would imagine it's like we try to get from point A to point B, there are many paths, and on the first try we picked the wrong path that has a large rock blocking it. The more we try to brainstorm is like the more we struggle to get around that rock, but that's futile since we need to choose another path instead of being stubborn on that wrong way. At this point we would need to back off, take relax and give our brain time to _forget that path_ - then next morning when we try to get from point A to point B again, our brain can have a chance to pick another better path. Once it's done, we will simply forget the thought process we went through that lead us to the wrong path, and as a result, we will think about it like "of course it's true. Why wouldn't it be true?"

[@lietpi]

And be like, "Was I stupid or what? How could I *not* have known that earlier?"

[@technoguyx]

Burnout does that sometimes in my experience. It's good to take breaks sometimes and study different subjects or problems for the same reason

[@AndrewDotsonvideos]

More like teaching yourself how to be such a g-dang beautiful person

[@anees2410]

Ah he's here Remember to collab.

[@rushunnhfernandes]

U outta flammy's basement? 😅

[@subscribetopewdiepie8746]

Collab again please

[@AndrewDotsonvideos]

@@rushunnhfernandes I was born in the basement

[@victorrizkallah6014]

@@AndrewDotsonvideos HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@DaveScottAggie]

"The proof is left to the student as an exercise."

[@Xavier_R_Q_V.]

"It follows that..."

[@pythagorasaurusrex9853]

Haha! When I was a in my first year at university, my physics professor wrote down the topic on the chalk board and in the next line the formula.. nearly all the time. His standard comment was: This problem so trivial, you can easily derive the formula for yourself. We students: WTF!

[@zvxcvxcz]

I hate many of these proofs... because they are often neither intuitive nor systemic. You literally need to be hit by the same sudden realization that something they are assuming you remember from a course you had three years prior and certainly don't remember applies here. Math is huge and tons of math instruction assumes you have an ironclad memory for every single itty bitty detail in every "lower" course even though at that level the hierarchy is much flatter.

[@no-fc9tp]

@@zvxcvxcz tell me about it! I have a hard time due to some questions needing relevant information I studied 3 years ago..

[@parameshwarhazra2725]

*LHS=RHS*

[@martinshoosterman]

The "it is obvious, once you realise it" part reminds me of a funny story: There's a professor in a math class, during the lecture he declares a theorem and says that the proof is trivial, then moves on. After class a student comes up to him and asks him about the proof that the professor claimed was trivial. The student says he doesn't see how you would do it, and it doesn't seem trivial to him. The professor then looks at the problem and thinks about it. He realises that he doesn't actually immediately know how to prove it. He tells the student to talk to him the next day. That night the professor looks at the problem again and spends all night figuring out how to prove it. By the morning he's figured it out, and is able to prove it. The next day the same student comes up to him and asks about the problem. The professor says: ah yes, I thought about that problem some more, and I can confirm that yes, it is indeed trivial.

[@hehexdjnp_prakn2589]

Do you know what the problem was?

[@user-jt1hh4vi5b]

@@hehexdjnp_prakn2589 yes I also need to know

[@pythagorasaurusrex9853]

My professor in physics (when I was a freshman in university) always said that. He was just annoying.

[@netorare7840]

Hey is this that one person on Andrew Dotson's video about Jackson

[@toprak3479]

This type of professor is soo traaash

[@swozzlesticks3068]

Undergraduate Analysis: "Ugh... I can't believe I stared at it for an entire hour not knowing what to do" Graduate Analysis: "Holy shit dude I only spent 2 days staring at it not knowing what to do."

[@cosmicnomad8575]

Yep, basically, that’s the nature of higher math

[@roberthuber2770]

Therein lies the essence of academic inquiry - one big flex of how long you can be stuck on a problem 😂

[@meltossmedia]

Imagine not dealing with phase - This post was brought to you by Complex Analysis

[@rushunnhfernandes]

😂 Congrats!!! You have earned the title of 'funniest commentator' .

[@homunculus3646]

@@rushunnhfernandes bruh

[@zapazap]

Brought to you by the letters 'epsilon' and 'delta', and by the number 'e'. I miss old Sesame Street.

[@sajateacher]

Complex? Sounds imaginary.

[@GameJeMee]

@@sajateacher you don’t need to state the obvious, 😂

[@RC32Smiths01]

As someone who is interested in Pure math, Physics, and Engineering, to be able to appreciate them all together is what makes them engaging in any shape or form.

[@weouthere6902]

Haha... I thought the same when I went into eng. Doing 9h a day for 2 months straight now really makes me rethink some of my decisions.

[@sankarraja1059]

Any idea what you are going to take up in college ?

[@liviu445]

You're an aspiring Polymath.

[@TyronTention]

My current Real Analysis Part 2 professor had Rudin as an advisor and I feel extremely honored.

[@whydontiknowthat]

Honored, or scared?

[@TyronTention]

@@whydontiknowthat More honored, my professor is very kind and very fair. Definitely focuses more on making sure you thoroughly understand the topology using whatever methods necessary.

[@EpicMathTime]

Rudin's analysis is one of the most famous texts in math, so you should be proud.

[@RolandHutchinson]

@@TyronTention Yeah, sometimes wrapping your brain around topology is a real stretch.

[@RolandHutchinson]

@Robin Hack That's a wonderful perspective! I hope you don't mind if I cut 'n' paste it to share (with attribution to you).

[@taproot0619]

I loved this class. Partly because the teacher was great, and partly because if you are teaching people this class, they are going to be a bunch of fast-witted, snarky, sarcastic dicks. Because these classes teach you to find loopholes better than a lawyer. And we had a lot of fun because of that. But the best part of the class was the 2nd test. I was given the question "prove or disprove the validity of this statement: there exists a rational number R and an irrational number I such that R•I equals a rational number." And I looked at that question for about 10 seconds, and wrote down "R=0" and moved on. When he graded it, he wrote "I technically have to give you credit" One of my friends got the question wrong, and when I told him R=0, he turned bright red and about died in embarrassment because, " I forgot zero existed". But the best part is that on the next test, he asked the same question, but with the added "for R=/=0" in it. It was great.

[@themax2848]

That actually sounds sick

[@brandonhaas8126]

cool story

[@donnie1581]

damn I bet that felt great!

[@RolandHutchinson]

Well, zero exists, but there's not much to it. (Your friend may have been a bit hard on himself.)

[@chitlitlah]

That is great. So now I have to know, are there any other examples?

[@ZeroT28]

A physics student walks up to his Prof and asks him whether a certain statement can be considered trivial. The Prof, deeply reflects on the statement, but cannot answer the student right away. The next day, the Prof happily concludes to the student, "This statement is indeed trivial."

[@NeelSandellISAWESOME]

the irony lol

[@Sanjay70555]

@@NeelSandellISAWESOME is

[@Buphido]

Yeah, the act of declaring something trivial isn’t trivial at all lol. You get into situations where, intuitively, you see why something is true, but you don’t know if you‘re overlooking some possibilities that make it not so and spend hours trying to prove to yourself why there can be no scenario where the trivial correctness does not hold. For example, if you are a postman starting his rounds at a three way intersection, then there is no way to cover every street and return to where you started while also never repeating a street. That’s trivial, but you need to think it through before being certain.

[@arsenymun2028]

Mathematicians: Let E>0 Engineers: So E=0

[@dmitricherleto8234]

Nahh

[@abcxyz4207]

No

[@MinEntropy]

I didn’t watch the video. I’d that a “proof by contradiction” joke or you just don’t like engineers 😋

[@BrikaEXE]

@@MinEntropy with minimum entropy u can maintain ur organism cool

[@xephyr417]

Dude this is seriously so validating. I've tried to read through upper level texts a few times but I always get stuck on something or other and I get really discouraged. I feel like I'm going too slowly. Then I just kinda give up. Hearing that you go through the same thing really helps. It's encouraging. Thanks!

[@jonathan.gasser]

Hahaha man I've never felt so dumb as when I went through a serious maths textbook. That thing about "just give me one I can solve" really hit home.

[@estring123]

you gotta spend time dude, some of the problems are REALLY HARD because you have to develop your own techniques, but when u solve them u'll feel very satisfied.

[@cosmicnomad8575]

Yes, as they all have said, don’t be discouraged. It’s the very nature of these higher level math courses to be extremely difficult, even for the brightest of the brightest. It’s not supposed to come easy for anyone, but keep going at it!

[@theblinkingbrownie4654]

Id like to point out that not being discouraged is not as easy for most people as simply saying "don't be discouraged". Good luck to whoever's reading this!

[@ThatBigGuyAl]

I have no degree and I taught myself programming to a pretty advanced level. Now I’m teaching myself linear algebra, with the goal to learn multi-variable calculus (I know you can learn one without the other, but this is just the path I’m going on). One thing that helps me stay consistent and motivated is learning everything with its applications. Thanks for another awesome upload. You’re definitely inspiring!

[@KRYMauL]

Multi-variable Calculus is a lot easier than you think it’s literally just Integral and Derivatives extrapolated into 3D.

[@KRYMauL]

On a separate note the Apex Calculus book is really good and free

[@aion2177]

build interactive/dynamic simulations and visualizations of what you are learning. Implementing them will give you the next level ninja stuff since you can't cleanly code something you don't fully understand.

[@roonces8788]

@@KRYMauL well it can be extremely difficult depending on literally the difficulty of the question. High end vector calculus is infamous

[@KRYMauL]

@@roonces8788 I meant the basics, but yes of course you can add complexity just like with anything.

[@opx-tech]

Mathematician here. In undergrad, the first Real Analysis course is generally considered to be the hardest course in a math degree. In graduate school, the Real Analysis course is also generally considered the hardest course in the program. But there are some simple tricks to it. The year after I finished the graduate analysis course, a friend was taking it and was stuck on a problem. She explained the problem to me, and then I said "I didn't follow any of what you just said, but it's analysis, so just approximate it and you'll be fine." She wasn't too enthused with my answer, but 3am on the morning the assignment was due, she remembered what I said and just gave it a try. She approximated the function and then the problem just worked itself out. Complex analysis though, that's different. Way nicer to deal with, and some of the most beautiful mathematics you'll see.

[@mehg8407]

They should stop calling it complex analysis and start calling it "smooth analysis".

[@pentachronic]

Sounds like an engineering approach. We take a value and round it up and make a linear approximation to another value with a straight line. Since we are mostly in the linear part of a devices characteristic it works within boundary. Class A transistor amplifiers are a classic example of this method. The problem is when you push the small delta to be a big delta!!

[@IsomerSoma]

@@mehg8407 In Germany its called "Funktionentheorie (theory of functions)".

[@vinlebo88]

@@IsomerSoma Yes or Komplexe Analysis :D

[@00bean00]

For many it was Topology

[@bharatkrishna7082]

Me: thinking about studying math at an advanced level. My brain: Softly 'dont'

[@Ray25689]

Do it! I hesitated a lot aswell and even had bad experience with advanced math before, but if you're really trying to understand it and put a lot of time in the first months into it, you'll be happy with the result. And later you'll be way faster with pretty much everything

[@oneoveronethirtyseven9161]

"Sometimes I could draw a picture. Which is a good strategy." *laughs in complex analysis*

[@Oscar1618033]

R: "Let's draw f(x) = e^x " C: "No."

[@mastershooter64]

@@Oscar1618033 People who can visuallize 4D: *pathetic*

[@IsomerSoma]

Then i recommend visual complex Analysis to you.

[@IsomerSoma]

@@Oscar1618033 Draw two complex planes. Its a mapping from C to C. It isn't telling you everything but is an relatively easy method to get a first intuition.

[@Oscar1618033]

@@IsomerSoma I have an intuition, but it's completely not trivial to accurately draw 4D in 2D

[@jcnot9712]

“You can spend an hour reading a page.” I thought this was excessive until I realize I’ve sunk 300+ hours into JRPG and competitive games before, which is the pessimist estimate for 1 hr per page on a 300+ page textbook. This is encouraging me to self teach in preparation for my future courses.

[@rosemarieholt2261]

The closest analogy I’ve found is my A1-A2 level Czech grammar. In Czech.

[@StanleyKowalski.]

"In mathematics the art of proposing a question must be held of higher value than solving it." Georg Cantor

[@anshumanagrawal346]

Indeed, asking the right questions is often more important than answer it

[@martinshoosterman]

"It was the longest build up ever" Clearly you've never read bertrand Russell's principia mathematica, in which they took several hundred pages to prove that 1+1=2.

[@prysrek8858]

Professor: *Writing over 6 whole blackboards, using all the space* "Therefore 0 is indeed equal to 0"

[@zandorf8150]

That's not true though. The hundred(s?) of pages before that aren't really about that proof. The proof for 1+1=2 just happens to be on that page.

[@martinshoosterman]

@@zandorf8150 the pages before is a requisite build up

[@anonymous_4276]

Now that book is truly rigorous. Reading that one honestly sounds like torture.

[@allanhenriques2694]

i dont wanna ruin the joke, but also want to clarify that the aim wasn't only to prove that 1+1=2, but was also to showcase mathematical technique and tools

[@Jaojao_puzzlesolver]

Title : *we almost died* Me, a college math student : *I felt that*

[@timsecond]

哈哈 😂

[@sundayschooldropout6641]

It's always soothing to hear someone who went through the pain I went through doing Real Analysis

[@thefaltuaadmi]

Those black and red circle around his eyes... proved 😅😂 Why ( We almost died)

[@georgekarapanagiotis1628]

That’s the beauty of mathematics. You start from the bottom and step by step you build a structure that explains the world in a way you understand. I recommend V.I. Smirnov’s book called “A Course Of Higher Mathematics”. It goes from variables to limits to derivatives to integrals to complex numbers. This book is remarkable and teaches you mathematics the correct way it should be taught.

[@drewwilliamforbush2927]

I'll research this book and keep an eye out for a cheap used copy. Thanks for the reccomendation

[@martyalden]

Wow, this video is very encouraging, I've been reading Rudin's book and sometimes I get stuck at one concept or exercise for hours, that can be a little discouraging most of the time because you feel that you can't continue.. but you made realize is pretty normal and it's part of the learning process, so let's continue study and never give up!

[@michalmaixner3318]

I found out that remaining at the concept I got stuck on is very counterproductive. I just press on and return later. Usually by then, I cannot even remember what was it that I was not understanding.

[@tommyv4980]

“10 real world applications I can use in my life, tonight. Go!” -Zach

[@mrl9418]

This is a cultural difference I guess, but here in Europe, Engineers take that course. It's usually mandatory, and a fourth one is either suggested or common enough (the third one usually is a 70 h real analysis + functional analysis + distributions + (more serious) serious complex analysis + pde, the fourth one is about unbounded operators, spectral theory, variational problems, etc) Also there is no single "proof" course, all math courses from the first one consist in proving theorems and then a (usually younger) assistant holds an "applications" class where you do exercises

[@existenceispain2074]

I would say European are quite good at math, but idk, those are pretty advanced analysis.

[@peizhengni1346]

Wow, Europe are really advanced in maths teaching comparing to Australia and america, from my opinoin. Some stuff we learn in the fouth year class, which is taught in 2rd year in Europe.

[@mrl9418]

@@existenceispain2074 it's not really a matter of being better at math I think, just what they require you to study. Those are the third and fourth years anyway. I think it's just a difference in cultural habits

[@IsomerSoma]

@@peizhengni1346 Its a different approach which has a philosophical and a economic reason. 1. Pure mathematics differently valued in europen universities. Physic majors also take pure math courses from 1st semster onwards (at ETH zürich they even take the exact sames as math majors). In some 2nd semester theoretical mechanics course you might be already introduced to manifolds and basic differential geometry. This crazy if you think about US math majors doing calc2 in 2nd semester! 2. We have public universities -> unis select not by money but by kicking 80%+ for not passing exams. Learn or perish. But in the end: are the results really that different? US ranks at the top in science, engineering and everything. American/ Australian (isnt Tao australian?) mathematicians are among the best of the world. It obviously didnt hurt them to have a strangely weak bachelors programm. However i would hate to study math and for the first semesters mostly doing calculations. I hate calculations.

[@kejtos5]

I found a similar thing in economics and I would suspect it being similar in other fields. It seems to me that many of the top universities are not top at educating their average students. For instance, watching the MIT linear algebra course on youtube was interesting. While the explanations were superb, there exists high schools here, that goes to similar depths.

[@jeffreyjones7038]

I am PhD student in math. Advice I would give to those teaching themselves from a book is to not try an read too much in one sitting. Too much new information all at once becomes overwhelming and discouraging. It depends on your level and how the book is written, but a good starting pace is one to two sections per sitting. You could even do more than one sitting a day. But pace yourself. It will not come as quick as you want. Math is hard. Also to Zach Star, if you liked the advanced calculus/real analysis that you learned, I recommend looking into a similar level book on complex analysis. It discusses similar concepts but with functions over the complex plane. You will see too that there are many "nice" things that work for functions on the complex plane that do not work for functions on the real line. Before going into that point set topology book, I hope your real analysis book discussed metric spaces.

[@refreshist4821]

What is a PHD in math like for you?

[@jeffreyjones7038]

@@refreshist4821 It was hard but I was able to grasp it as quick as I needed for classes, but I truly learned material after their respective classes. I loved algebra and real analysis. However i ended up not completing the phd. I decided to go for a masters in Stats instead.

[@ignacioarroyo3385]

I'm glad you liked that textbook. We use the same one at my university. I remember being so happy when I realised calculus was just a bunch of useless things I was told, since I thought there wasn't that much rigour behind it. And I'm the kind of person who is unable to enjoy a lecture if they're not able to properly understan d it. I hated calculus so much...

[@KCIsMe]

I'm an engineering student that's graduating this month, and this video makes me excited about all the self-learning I'm going to be doing post-graduation!

[@cuddlemuffin.9545]

Famous last words

[@taniamanik2012]

Man, I absolutely hated Real Analysis. As someone who was pursuing a degree in Applied Math but sadly had to complete Real Analysis as a mandatory course, it took me 4 ATTEMPTS to actually pass that class. Just think about it, I failed 3 TIMES.

[@charlesdesouza9313]

bruh r u a girl

[@axisepsilon514]

Hmm? What does being a girl has to do with this? Lol

[@robertmorrison1657]

@@axisepsilon514 Charles is simply dumb. Or he was making a horrible joke.

[@joekerr5418]

@@charlesdesouza9313 big yikes

[@henk7747]

You pulled through in the end though. I can't imagine failing more than twice and retaking a course.

[@kruksog]

The bit about "obviously" being used way too loosely in math texts was great. I have a bs in math and, yes, spot on.

[@antonioc3743]

The problem I have at school is that you have to continue even if you dont understand what are you doing

[@joonathaan]

This

[@JoaoVictor-rw9he]

@@joonathaan Is

[@markdatton1348]

I'm in Real Analysis 1 right now, and I like it and hate it at the same time. Its the hardest math class I've ever taken, but its also the easiest class to put work into. The feeling of catching some clever little thing in a problem and it all falling into place is just amazing. Better than building a circuit and having it work first try.

[@radhakrishnanmanickavasaga124]

Calculus is easy?

[@markdatton1348]

@@radhakrishnanmanickavasaga124 Calc is very (literally) formulaic. Once the intuition of integrals and derivatives is established, it's all just techniques. Not hard at all imo. Real analysis (or proof based analysis of any kind, really) is much more rigorous. The process is fun, the result is boring, where as in calc, the process is boring and the result is fun. Even once you get into like vector or multivariate calc, it's just extensions of similar ideas. Greens theorem, stokes theorem, etc, just relationships. Analysis takes your intuition and asks."but like why tho" and can help you understand it on an even deeper level

[@radhakrishnanmanickavasaga124]

@@markdatton1348 got it I'll give real analysis a try

[@Lila-rv8zq]

It is great pleasure to see someone as passionate about mathematics as you are.

[@seanbrooks4517]

Very wise young person. A great use of your time, thank you for sharing,

[@Nickelicious7]

You have no idea how much I needed this video. Self teaching math is something I’ve really been wanting to do once I have some time on my hands and Real Analysis is very early on my list (I’ve already done the calc series). I’m glad I have a first hand account of what its like and what to look out for.

[@radhakrishnanmanickavasaga124]

How tough was calculus

[@jayloncarter7030]

@@radhakrishnanmanickavasaga124very easy

[@fernandoromerogalvan]

I have started to do something similar!* I realize that I only ever took Calc. 1 and that's it. I wanted to try my hand at Machine Learning (ML) stuff and when I was going through a course online I realized I had absolutely no clue what was going on. So now, I am learning Linear Algebra with 3blue1brown's help (Also yours! Thank you for that course), after which I'll try ML once again. I'm probably still missing some statistics, but that's this is my start.

[@vermashwetank]

For linear Alegbra, you can try Gilbert strang’s MIT course which is really excellent. For probability and statistics, you can try Dan blitzstein’s Harvard course

[@faustin289]

We are in the same boat mate. I was completing a data science specialization on Coursera and when I reached the ML course, I realized I wasn't well-equiped mathematically speaking. Now I'm taking a linear algebra course before I can go back to ML.

[@MrCrackbear]

3blue1brown has a series where he breaks down ML and one episode focuses specifically on the calculus of ML so you might want to check that out.

[@fernandoromerogalvan]

Hey ya’ll, just wanted to thank you guys for your suggestions. If anyone else has any others i and i am sure many others in my position would appreciate it! :)

[@kattenelvis1778]

You should go through a textbook aswell, those videos are not enough.

[@xirsixussien7303]

This video is inspirational, I am planning to read Griffith's intro to electrodynamics, Taylor's classical mechanics and Shankar's Classical mechanics in the next two years. I'll come back to comment once I have completed this quest to update you.

[@TheoremsAndDreams]

I love that book! It was the assigned book for my first real analysis course. I enjoyed it immensely. It is the one that I recommend to others learning real analysis for the first time.

[@rfk223]

Even though Im not interested in learning mathematics, I found your video to be very uplifting for my psyche. Hearing that you struggled this much yet perservered and grew your mind past your initial limits...thats encouraging to me! I want to self teach simpler tasks and concepts, hopefully apply the same down to Earth discipline you had summarized.

[@sam3oq980]

As a math bachelor student, what I sometimes do as well is just read the additional chapters in my books we don't cover. They usually have a fun selection of additional topics you can delve into. Topology and Measure Theory especially have tons of interesting branches after you've familiarized yourself with the main material.

[@leonid9680]

Analysis is a beautiful subject indeed. In terms of applications though, one has to learn a bit more to see its full power. Well known engineering methods like finite element have their roots in functional analysis/measure theory; and so does quantum mechanics (it's certainly not necessary to know these subjects for QM but you'll definitely appreciate QM more if you do). Pure maths can seem very abstract and unmotivated but its real power is precisely in its ability to apply these abstractions to a whole range of different contexts. Innocent theorems about a set of linear equations are suddenly generalized to study differential operators on infinite dimensional spaces. My experience has been that I have come to deeply understand the physics only after I have rigorously studied the mathematical theory behind it.

[@mallencolly]

My experience is that anything called "obvious" (or similar) in a maths text book is a way to get you to work it out for yourself. Its never obvious. its always something worth knowing

[@johnchessant3012]

Congrats! That's a huge achievement and you should be really proud. Can't wait for the next video. P.S.: I really struggled with real analysis but I found that it became more intuitive once I learned the basic definitions and theorems from general topology (properties of continuous maps, compact domains, connected domains, etc.).

[@azaroma]

An important side effect of struggling with difficult concepts and figuring them out on your own is a deep sense of satisfaction and fulfillment. How did you "feel" as you worked through this book and how did it affect your motivation?

[@andrescientos]

A good question for a Math Major Philosophy Minor

[@guccifer7874]

One major problem I usually witness with people struggling in maths is that many people lack a lot heuristic skills, which are, IMO, very essential for math proving. Most would say: "Just do math proofs daily and you'll get better": Now while this does hold some truth, it doesn't really do much if you're just trying to prove something by let's say trial-and-error technique (which takes very long if the proof is more complex). Exercises only help if you develope some sort systemical approach to solve a problem, which requires several heurisitic skills (and I don't mean math proving techniques only; I am talking about more general approaches, such like psychological strategies (sounds crazy, but it's true)). I recommend the book: "The Art and Craft of Problem Solving". You will notice that it can also be applied to pretty much every area.

[@alessandrovanni6132]

I mean at my university (Pisa) at the First year of physics we have a calculus exam like that. We Also prove the local uniquenes and existance of the solution of a particular cauchy problem class and everything that leads to It rigorously Like the dirichlet function that Zach described (1 on rational and 0 on irrational) Is the perfect example of non rieman integrable function. A rigorous course Is really Great because you know absolutely where everything comes from and calculus should be thaught like that even at eingeniering degrees

[@UmashankarSivakumar]

I'm a computer science undergrad, this video feels like he's just summarised my engineering life, even though this is about applied mathematics 😂

[@soberanisfam1323]

You did engineering and now are doing cs?

[@lotuswolf1518]

He meant computer engineering

[@architsaraogi1827]

u are my inspiration bro

[@tebogoauthentic5695]

Mannnn, your videos are gold! I was planning on self-studying throughout the holiday and this particular video miraculously popped up. Thank you.

[@kaidenschmidt157]

I’ve never really watched Zach Star before (although I watch papa flammy and Dotson) but I really, really enjoy this video. Thanks man, this is nice

[@tagerauen5378]

Good to hear that I am not the only one who attempts the "stare the problem down" technique fruitlessly, ad infinitum.

[@mirnish4427]

I'm not a mathematician, I'm a 3D Game Artist and this video helped me beyond explanation, thanks!

[@GenericInternetter]

Cool, but just curious... How exactly did this help you?

[@Chazz155511]

I'm interested as well...

[@user-kl8vj2qy9w]

Me three

[@standowner6979]

@@user-kl8vj2qy9w Your arithmetic is off

[@shashankambone6920]

I also wanna know...

[@thevikingwarrior]

One of the biggest problems with understanding some things in math, is the endless terminology. Seeing it as the same helps a lot.

[@ylnx250]

I loved real analysis, that was such an intense, rewarding experience.

[@Lalit-yw2tb]

College doesn't teach you anything special, it is a place where like minded people get together and you learn the art of self learning.

[@ym1118]

tfw scammed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars when i could've just gone to a library

[@N0Xa880iUL]

@@ym1118 surprised pikachu face

[@theboxingbiker]

@@ym1118 In Europe you get a high level education for free. No student loans, yoy graduate and start with a great salary. The american dream is bullshit, come to europe.

[@benjamingross3384]

I mean, I learned how to use multi million dollar pieces of equipment to create novel nanotechnologies... Hard to self study photolithography...

[@theboxingbiker]

@jocaguz18 The american dream refers to the USA. Not the american continents.

[@vdabest2118]

Andrew Dotson comments on all Zach’s and Tibees’ videos... how cute :)

[@uque]

this is one of the best videos to watch when feeling confused with compsci/math! your methods are extremely helpful ty brotha

[@almari3954]

11:38 this is the best advice. It applies almost in any profession. The difference between junior and senior title is just the confidence level.

[@DPAFLESHER]

I feel your pain here - I'm taking real analysis as a pre-req for Econ PhD programs, and with the remote learning, I'm basically teaching myself. I'm not sure how anyone would take these classes before the internet age, so much is online that helps explain concepts just enough better than the textbook for the concept to click.

[@teenytones9476]

I used that book in my undergrad in my real analysis class that was a pre requisite for the Rudin based real analysis class! I too strongly recommend this book when you're trying to learn the material. One thing to note is that this text is that the approach was done using sequences whereas most real analysis texts use the concept of distances between objects in their proofs. Abbott does talk about the the latter a decent amount, but my personal takeaway was the using sequences in my proofs which can cause some misunderstanding if one were to go on to a topology or complex analysis text. Earlier this year, Springer, the publisher of the textbook, was allowing folks to download a pdf file of Understanding Analysis for free on their site, although I recently checked and it seems to me that the offer has ended.

[@brightsideofmaths]

Learning mathematics is always fun :) I like "Understanding Analysis". However, there are so many book about real analysis. One should test different ones and pick the one that fits the best.

[@BleachWizz]

Dude, just loved this video. This is one of the best descriptions I've seen on how to learn. Because let be honest we have some people good at teaching/learning, but in reality we don't actually know how to do it. (From a rigorous stand point) The steps you've noticed and spoke about on the moments when you do stuff when you actually didn't learn it. Or the moments when you can actually realize and pinpoint that you found something you don't know. Because it's literally impossible to just think of something you don't know to learn. So being able to pinpoint these moments is SUPER important and no one talks about it. Also moving with the conclusion we also don't know how to teach because no one can actually pinpoint what someone is thinking that is wrong, why and what's the thing the person should think to realize they're wrong - and that would allow you to cause the "eureka moment" we call teaching. I mean at least outside of this video I've never seen anyone even speak about it.

[@LucasDimoveo]

Do you feel like Real Analysis helps with advanced mathy Engineering problems?

[@namminh7574]

@@benjamingross3384 true that. Some of the best specialists i know arent even good at math. But they are still real experts in their field

[@asdf_600]

In my school everyone gets real analysis in first year 😅 event as a computer science student. I must say that it was useful later when doing theoretical ml

[@caiocclt1]

​@@asdf_600 where do you go to school if I might ask? Those are some poor CS students man

[@zebran4]

@@asdf_600 What is "ml"?

[@arthurs5099]

So it must be obvious to you that the heavyside s dérivative is a dirac ? You must be in the «let s permute the limit and the integral » team.

[@zaidnava562]

Me too smooth brain to understand this

[@kaiwilson5218]

Smooth brain. No weinkllles-- no sad

[@zaidnava562]

@@kaiwilson5218 but at what cost

[@kaiwilson5218]

@@zaidnava562 None that we can remember... smooth brain power! (Or...uhhh lack thereof?)

[@sunnyvakkalanka2739]

I love how passionate and down to earth this video is

[@rudybanerjee6367]

This is amazing. Being able to learn textbooks on your own seems like an almost impossible feat for me, but now I am starting to understand how it can be done. Thanks a lot my man for making these videos! Also, I'm probably going to be taking this course in a few years so this video seems like it can help guide me through the darkness and hopelessness of terrifyingly difficult classes. I can't imagine being able to learn an entire book without a TA. I guess once you no longer have a paid staff to help you out, you really start to appreciate what their help.

[@berserker8884]

Honestly, you just never broke the ice. I think that you simply do not understand yet that you are capable of thinking about a problem for a few hours and actually solving it. Not a puzzle problem where you know what you have to do and you play around, but an actual math problem that seems like an impossible wall to climb. My advice is to dedicate a few hours into it every day and suddenly you start solving things, understanding them and breaking the ice of impossibility. Then you start enjoying the creative process where YOU are solving the problems, not your TA. This is not duable in a university setting, because of the brutal pacing. But if you are self studying, then you are free from pacing constraints and you SHOULD progress as slowly and deeply as possible and get everything out of it, even if it takes the whole year. And the most important thing it can teach you is this problem solving skill you can only attain being forced to work on your own and think for yourself.

[@Cyrathil]

The recommendations for doing self-study are good recommendations for traditional students as well. The recommendations are basically "learn to solve problems in this subject" which all students should strive for. Knowing how to find resources, and to efficiently use those resources, is basically the first step to mastering a subject. Professors are a good resource, as well as any other school-specific academic resources, but they don't last forever.

[@FsimulatorX]

And eventually the student will take the role of becoming the professor his/her self

[@pmonk1487]

I have a B.A. in Mathematics. The "they use obviously WAY too loosely" hit me hard. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. My professors told us to avoid using "obviously" unless it would be obvious someone in HS Algebra, at the highest.

[@xDripz_]

i absolutely suck at math mainly because i don’t practice enough and shitty early schooling and losing interest but i watched this entire video and i can kinda understand what you’re saying this looks so interesting to get lost in for hours. Wish my brain could operate like this. I’ve only managed to barely get past high school math but I’m going to attempt to self teach myself and take your advice mentioned earlier. Tired being a slave to math

[@TheInterestingInformer]

We could be different but I think my problem is my phone/social media. Tried my dopamine and now it’s difficult for me to engage with activities I find enjoyable

[@morningdewacademic]

Great job! I love self-learning and am on my own self-learning journey for many subjects including teaching myself upper level maths that I never took but for psychology it’s important to really understand these! I would agree with you that reviewing and tests are very important, I make myself take exams, there are a lot of exams or problems on the internet and workbooks, so yea, it’s great that any self-learner be sure to review and test themselves! So nice seeing other self-learners!! 😊

[@alessandromestri9004]

If i have understood what you mean, in italy people in engineering math and physics go straight to real analysis instead of calculus from day one. And yes it's pretty hard. I remember than one question of the theory section was something like : write a continuous function with his derivative not continuous

[@Natalija379]

Calculus and Real Analysis are the same subject on unis in Serbia...

[@henk7747]

what? Just f(x) = |x| or even the cantor function

[@alessandromestri9004]

@@henk7747 there were other constraints that now I don't remember that prevent using easy function like that, it has been like 1 year ago 😂

[@ramy8338]

Yeah I studied engineering and we have this class . I really hated it

[@pleaseenteraname4824]

È metà e metà, credo. In RA you revisit concepts you've seen in Calc more rigourously and you do new, more advanced stuff, like function spaces and measure theory

[@luisbelgois2102]

Now try algebraic topology, It is one of the most beautiful things un math

[@edenhines]

I self-teach myself a lot of content that supposedly should be taught at school, and I can relate to your experience so much!! I used to get discouraged from getting stuck on a problem or having trouble grasping the logical flow of things. But after a while, I got used to it. I can understand concepts better as I teach myself from the ground up, with the fundamentals instead of taking pieces of knowledge prescribed by teachers. By making sure I fully understand before moving on, I am able to apply those concepts better in the long term. Highly recommend self-learning!

[@williamdeng5966]

I would also recommend Analysis I and II by Terry Tao, very clear, very rigorous, and very thorough texts for self-learning real analysis! (the drawback however is that the book has no solutions, but you can usually ask any questions you might have on Math Stack or something if you get stuck like I often did!)

[@dopplerdog6817]

Second the recommendation, especially if you prefer a chatty style (as opposed to Rudin's ultra terse approach)

[@thesagapov]

in my experience, higher math textbooks are full of it, they’re incredibly lazy, not really trying to teach what they’re talking about at all

[@Chrobin111]

TIL German calculus 1 is a combination of america calculus 1, 2 and analysis 1. And I also didn't really like the analysis part...

[@FilsmForce]

Same for Finnish calc. 1

[@spb1179]

Dang, they need to teach us stuff in Murcia. That’s sad that we don’t have anything like that

[@Giovanni-em7ny]

Here in Italy studying engineering I did “Analysis 1” (which I think would be Calc 1 and 2 in the US ) which was 96 hours of lesson, and “Analysis 2” (multivariable calculus and the basics of complex analysis) which also was 96 hours of lessons

[@VeraciusYT]

@@spb1179 What do you mean you don't. It's called Mathematical analysis. It's literally EVERYWHERE.

[@technoguyx]

@@VeraciusYT In most American colleges "Calculus 1 and 2" is usually a hand-wavy course that focuses on calculations and geometric intuition (of limits, derivatives, integrals), while the proofs are left for a further Real Analysis course taken only/mostly by math majors. Some institutions offer "honors-level" Calculus which includes proofs.

[@TheReemkareem]

As a math major this makes me so happy

[@jordanweir7187]

awesome content bruh i love seeing when a guy has done something new but doesn't try to brag about it, instead tries to include the listener and give em some interesting stuff to investigate later, rly cool proof there

[@ZachariahMustafa]

"Obvious" in upper div math means "I'm too lazy to include this, so I'm not gonna. Take it as an exercise"

[@hehexdjnp_prakn2589]

"you learn it from the ground up" laughs in ZFC

[@shaansapru6676]

LOVE THE HONESTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@vihangakumanayaka2207]

absolutely amazing video, thank you for the solid advices ❤

[@Victorisbored]

Dudeeeee how did you lose so much weight? You look great! What was the starting and current weight? I'm taking real analysis as well and it's kicking my butt!

[@zachstar]

Thanks man! Pretty much all of quarantine has involved eating healthy (and being in a slight calorie deficit for most of it) and going to the gym 4-5 days a week. Weight went from 220 to 185 in the calendar year.

[@sam3oq980]

Real analysis in your third year? It was literally one of the first courses I started my maths bachelor with (I study in The Netherlands). US math education system is weird...

[@Robert_Emu_Lee]

Same here in France

[@Tome281]

Yep.. real analysiys being third year... like how do they learn anything? I don't get it

[@sarahamoudi7056]

Yes! Thank you! I'm a physics undergrad and we learn all of this on our first year, it's not even an option lol ( from Algeria)

[@tomkerruish2982]

Just so that we're on the same page here, you mean like proving that the set of points of continuity of a function f:R->R is a G_delta?

[@anaycontractor5216]

The American higher education system is probably the only one in the world that emphasizes a general curriculum. That is, 25-30% of your degree consists of courses that may not be directly related to your major. Even if you do start college with credit/advanced standing, you'll have to take, for example, sociology, chemistry, or writing courses concurrently which is why you can't start off with advanced math. Everywhere else, courses are highly specialized and have little to no external subjects.

[@josholiverdescalsota4672]

Why i almost anticipate in every Videos you've make?

[@charleswagner4179]

Love some Zach Star! Your an amazing man and engineer!

[@raynprice7631]

I struggle with math horribly and this is pretty much every day of my life with a self-taught PreCal class 😅😂

[@samsonblack]

Great video! Thank you for describing the process of learning rigorous mathematics in such an accessible way. I can relate to so many of the experiences you had, and the feelings too. I want to suggest that all of this becomes even more important as you go deeper into mathematics. As a graduate student, I would often recall a theorem, maybe a "small" result, but realize that I didn't quite remember why it was true. I would sit down and prove it to myself again. Sometimes this would be inspired by a question or comment in teaching an undergraduate course. Sometimes it would be in the course of proving a deeper result. Regardless, I always had the "stranded on a desert island" approach. If I were shipwrecked on a desert island with no math textbooks-but perhaps plenty of paper, pencils, and good eraser (don't forget the eraser!)-*how much mathematics could I recreate?* Could I recreate integral formulas? How about Bézout's identity for the GCD? Fundamental Theorem of Algebra? Burnside's Lemma for counting orbits of group actions. Could I construct isomorphisms between finite groups presented in different ways? Bijections between sets of combinatorial objects? etc. This has given me a sense of ownership of and facility with the ideas, like they're mine. So I can use them and play around with them without fear. It's difficult to overestimate the satisfaction of not only knowing a result, so you can apply it, but also to be able to construct it from scratch if need be. Because, as you point out, the techniques in the argument can be just as useful, if not more useful, than the conclusion that you reached with them.

[@HelplessGazellle]

Its cool to see your passage through math on your channel. Each new video you come across more intelligent and more motivated. Thats a great motivation for all of us.

[@onemanenclave]

"I don't recommend giving up but realistically it's going to happen." That sums up well my inner talk.