Zack Snyder's Filmography | Part 3: How to Make a Martha

[@MaggieMaeFish]

This series has been heavily censored and delisted by KZbin. If you want to find all 3 parts more easily, and directly support me, and see my videos without ads, consider watching on Nebula! (Otherwise, you can find the videos in my "KZbin banned these videos" playlist) Part 3: nebula.tv/videos/maggie-mae-fish-how-to-make-a-martha-zack-snyder-part-3

[@phoebeolderman1054]

Fun fact about pearl necklaces: Well made necklaces will be strung by hand and knotted after each pearl is strung onto the necklace. This is done so that the pearls don't slide up and down the string, but also so that if the necklace is broken pearls don't go flying all over the place and can easily be repaired. This is only relevant because every time I see a Batman movie where mother Wayne's necklace explodes for dramatic effect, all I can think is, "Mr. Wayne you cheap bastard, buying a poorly made piece of jewelry for your wife."

[@Rhaifha]

IKR, like.. why is this rich lady wearing faux pearls?

[@PermanentHigh]

@@Rhaifha Nobody wears them anymore. Who cares? Nobody knows about this

[@galactic85]

Yeah but Frank miller didnt know about that and zack snyder needs to homage the dark knight returns at all costs regardless of whether it makes sense. So...

[@cocharles563]

Maybe in that world the pearl necklace does not get extra knots.

[@SpaghettiKozak]

He didn't become a billionaire by buying expensive jewelry!

[@spirithawk6580]

Bird enthusiast here! In many species of raptors (including owls), the female is larger, stronger, and more aggressive than the male. In species where this isn't the case there typically isn't any obvious difference between males and females

[@orioncooper1705]

I had the same thought based on my limited knowledge of birds. The more you think about the gendered owls, the more absurd it gets!

[@jasonblalock4429]

@@orioncooper1705 I facepalmed when that white one showed her face and she had bright red eyeliner. Just... wow.

[@suddenllybah]

... does the book series that it is based on acknowledge the size difference or lack thereof? Because I want to know if this is a Synder original.

[@spirithawk6580]

@@suddenllybah good question! I haven't actually read the books

[@chillytoes1]

this makes sense, the female has to protect her young to propagate the species, she would be a larger, stronger, and more aggressive type. Humans are interesting in that we have no natural predator, no one to really threaten our young, so we tend to be smaller. But, being smaller doesn't necessarily mean weaker (except with zach snyder).

[@TheWilkReport]

One of my history professors, in response to a student's assertion that some slaves' sexual relationships with their masters might have been consensual, gave my favorite retort ever, that I still use myself: She could not say no. If you can't say no and have it respected, it isn't consent. It's rape.

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

Seriously, someone developing Stockholm Syndrome or acting as if it's consensual out of fear doesn't count and it terrifies me that some people look at the complex power dynamic during that time and think that consensual relationships in the normal sense could be an option

[@AlexanderBlues1228]

Exactly. If you can’t say no, it is literally impossible to say yes.

[@ahouyearno]

That's a discussion I've had more often than I can count with rape apologists. She needs to be able to say no. If she didn't feel like no was a valid option, the "yes" you got was worthless. And it's not just consent, it's informed consent. She wants a relationship, you say you're single. You have sex. You're actually married. That was rape. She didn't consent to sex with a married woman.

[@marocat4749]

Its dubious at best. And have the luck of a very considerate master actually givcing a choice and the slave have an oppotrunity not to without facing any punishment for disageeing, ignoring the grooming by the system. The would be a pretty rare exception if true,an not disprove the overall lack of consent in the system.

[@DrZaius3141]

You'd be surprised how many people figured that Trump's "when you're famous they LET you do it" was a sign of consent. Or you probably wouldn't, because there's millions of deranged trumpists out there...

[@LindsayEllisVids]

Hot Mengele

[@aperson4640]

😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣

[@Tacom4ster]

Crossover episode?

[@yarone84]

We want an other crossover!!!

[@Tareltonlives]

And I think we're found a new name for Draco in Leather Pants

[@lamecasuelas2]

Give us tshirts with that

[@smallfrogge]

As a non hyper masculine male I'd probably be collapsed on a toilet floor sobbing over my lack of well-defined abs.

[@Draezeth]

Same, right before I get assimilated into the faceless horde.

[@JoeLeeGreenGiant]

The 'zone of nonbeing' is actually Zack Snyder's wish he could just write Omegaverse content, but he knows Addison Caine would immediately send him a DMCA takedown

[@tatehildyard5332]

We need to save Martha....WITH PREJUDICE!

[@Tareltonlives]

Caine would sue him for using "het noncon" WHICH SHE CLEARLY INVENTED GOD DAMN IT

[@redsands1001]

She might not since he's a man. The only person she hadn't gone after was legal eagle i think?

[@Tareltonlives]

@@redsands1001 Ooh good point. She doesn't go after men.

[@raywilliams212]

oh how much I love crossovers between my favorite creators haha

[@mistersmarteleimon1500]

How to make a Martha: Water (35 L), Carbon (20 kg), Ammonia (4 L), Lime (1.5 kg), Phosphorous (800 g), Salt (250 g), Saltpeter (100 g), Sulfur (80 g), Fluorine (7.5 g), Iron (5 g), Silicon (3 g) and fifteen traces of other elements.

[@mst3kharris]

But don’t try to transmute your Martha; it’ll cost you an arm and a leg.

[@acehealer4212]

Unexpected Fullmetal Alchemist

[@Dumpknoedel]

too drunk rn to talk about how good her take is so I'll just say her hair looks very nice and shiny and it makes me more gay

[@kitwhitfield7169]

Don’t forget to drink water before you go to bed! xxx

[@JB-wl7jx]

Her hair do is incredible

[@bookshelfhoney]

Her eyes though 😍

[@ZijnShayatanica]

My level of gayness also increased by watching this video. 💜

[@LycoLoco]

@@koda_pop7849 That top and necklace with her eyeshadow was just the best.

[@Dolirn]

I am one of the people who made comments you're addressing on Sucker Punch. I'd say I read that scene as not rape because A) it's been a while and I don't remember the movie super well, and B) I took the movie far too much at face value. It wants to present what happens as consensual, but, like, the fact that Snyder thinks that can be consensual and that it tricked me into thinking so as well is exactly the problem.

[@stephenmacrae1039]

The initial theatric cut of the film had that scene missing, too. I noticed it in the uncut version (when it came out on streaming), and immediately understood why it was cut for release...very problematic/objectionable/irresponsible/shitty (did I miss any?)

[@khazermashkes2316]

Thank you for admitting your mistake!

[@tenkenroo]

The man is an avid objectivist, is it surprising he has rather odd views of sexual assault?

[@DakotaCityRag]

You have a line in this video that accurately sums up why I hate the myth of the heroic sacrifice: it frames "dying as the best thing about living." Thanks for putting that into words for me, and for this great video.

[@DakotaCityRag]

@kafu Kemeh Off the top of my head, Endgame is the exact same way in how it frames the deaths of Tony, Steve, and Nat. I personally don’t feel like going through the rest of the MCU and categorizing the other deaths, but this problem isn’t unique to ZS, he just makes it particularly obvious/egregious.

[@vishhalrajesh17]

@@DakotaCityRag When did Steve die as a sacrifice? Ironman's death was supposed to finish his character arc which went from a selfish narcissist who didn't care about people dying and supplied weapons to a man who became selfless and didn't mind sacrificing his life for saving everyone. Natalie's death was one where someone had to die. It was already set up in Infinity War and you know someone has to die to get their hands on the soul stone.

[@FoodleDee]

"Using white women as a rationalization for violence is as American as apple pie." _chef's kiss_ Superb

[@vwin9112]

Five minutes later: HRRRK-BLEAGH! Damn this apple tastes like stall apple and actual crap!

[@dignerds]

The comments on this vid are so cringe and psychotic

[@JessHart006]

Nice H. Rap Brown reference.

[@th3rasave]

@@dignerds can you disprove it?

[@OfficialROZWBRAZEL]

@@th3rasave It’s been long enough…it’s fair to assume the answer is “no.”

[@DebbieGarciaa]

I'm no specialist in birds either but I was super into owls when I was a teen and it really bothered me in the film how the female owls had their genders so humanly coded because, in a lot of species, the female owl is actually bigger than the male owl.

[@christopherb501]

To be fair, that film is hardly _the_ one to blame, when practically EVERYTHING with talking animals has them banally coded in contemporary gender and cultural norms.

[@christopherb501]

@Erik Kemeey ...you're making this comment on THIS video? On THIS channel?? GEEZ Snyder stans are weird...

[@abbygleeson420]

Sweetpea: There's gotta be another way. Babydoll: No♥

[@EmilieDoeringtheDashboardDiva]

Sweetpea: There’s gotta be another way Snyder: No

[@zakwhite876]

There wasn't any other way. If both left they would of died. The body had to be sacrificed so the mind can go on. You do know babydoll isn't a real person right, babydoll is sweet pea. No one escaped, what happened was babydoll was the body being sacrificed so the mind of sweet pea can live on away from the abuse that the real world had. It's why babydoll liked what the high roller said. Blue wanted to rape babydoll not just the body but her and have her fear it he wants a reaction. The high roller said it's not worth it if the person doesn't give back. So then babydoll had power in that circumstance she took that away from blue and then carried on in her mind so blue failed. It a very complex movie but you clearly don't get it and if you don't you shouldn't insult the director and call him names and say he is things he isn't just because you don't get it. It's just plain rude and mean. Everything this woman says about Snyder is completely wrong and she gets all the movies wrong so it seriously disgusting hearing her say these things about an innocent nice person it just toxic and mean

[@floraposteschild4184]

@@zakwhite876 Flora: There’s gotta be another way. Zachs: No.

[@zakwhite876]

@@floraposteschild4184 dear God actually read what I said. Babydoll isn't real she isn't a person. Babydoll is a friend or guardian that sweet pea makes up. So she has sweet pea leave while she stays behind to take on the asylum. And actually there is no leaving sweet pea never got out in a physical world. The body remained that's sweet pea so she got out mentally she was free. How much dumber do you need this. Can't believe how toxic you people are and three videos calling a person names and making him out as a really terrible person when he is non of those things. That's sick and just plain bullying. But he'll you say your lefties but your just sick right at the end of the day.

[@zakwhite876]

@Dysterr you people are beyond dumb. Babydoll didn't fail she can't leave Me she isn't even real. Nd nice to joke about a guy and insult him when you clearly don't get anything about him and tons of people insult him for that. He has a company that keeps fucking with his movies and he had a daughter who committed suicide that he had to deal with while fighting Warner over justice League and like he has had to do over every film. But yeah he a freak and deserves to be laughed at and insulted because of your stupidity and his daughter died and you all have to keep going as that's not good enough to you lot not until he dies will you people be pleased I guess. Luckily some people have brains and Snyder is back and is going stronger than Warner Bros is at the moment. A company may I add that destroys people's visions doesn't give freedom and is racist and sexist and your for that over Snyder who's films are usually against all of that and shows it. Go wonder woman 1984 with the pro rap and murder and being racist. The feminist movement everyone. Bloody idiots that make it way worse. I'd be a feminist myself but because it actually everything you fight against I'd never ever be that. So if you don't get the film then that's on you why just give out toxicity just don't like it and move on why have hate how does that ever help.

[@SgtAvreyJohnson]

"Check out their video on Ayn Rand. Its... objectively good!" Me: Laughs so hard I cry.

[@davidmockbro]

“Their pain ends up performative rather than cathartic. An ego driven exercise in self-pity rather than selfless heroism”

[@keeganrankin2985]

"Wait, Legend of The Guardians: The Owls of Ga'hoole is a Zack Snyder film?!" *points gun* "Always has been."

[@vwin9112]

Legend of the guardian is A SPY/IMPOSTER!

[@kingsofcydonia2924]

@Cian Abroad yeah what about it

[@andrenyhammar3071]

I'd be killed off-screen after daring to cry after a personal loss

[@ZijnShayatanica]

LESS CRYING, MORE PUNCHING.

[@rjmayo]

This is a very minor quibble with an otherwise excellent video, but Lewis Carroll didn’t write Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland for his daughter. He didn’t have any kids, and he wrote the book for three children of a family he was friends with.

[@plumune1705]

three girls towards whom he was quite the creep, might i add

[@Bonzulac]

@@plumune1705 Show me your evidence.

[@daisyprayers]

@@plumune1705 The narrative of Carroll being “a creep” is based mainly on photoshopped images and a misunderstanding of Victorian culture. I’m the last person to ever defend someone with a history of allegations, but I urge you to research Charles Dodgson and the real images behind the viral photoshopped ones.

[@daisyprayers]

Thank you for commenting this! I came to write the same thing. Agreed it’s a minor quibble, but the stories around these real people who impacted literature in such a big way is one of my pet peeves.

[@reuteratwork8983]

@@Bonzulac - It is curious, is it not, that the relevant books of Dodgson's diaries which covered the years in question, the diaries that could clear up this speculation, have all gone missing -- curiouser & curiouser, as Alice might say...

[@River_StGrey]

Last comment I'll make, but the point about Snyder fans finding emotional resonance with his depictions of pain and trauma is spot on. When I was like 19-23, I felt very seen and validated by character moments that showed their pain and suffering, but more than that, I felt vindicated and justified by how I had been raised to cope and deal with it. Seeing a heroically portrayed Rorschach deal with abuse and pain and despair with violence and rage resonated with how I had been told men are supposed to deal with it. It also put the impetus for resolving that trauma on the people around me, namely women, while I was excused to act on aggression, anger, and self-loathing. It was a "You're already perfect the way you are, so long as the way you are is expressed through violent avenues." It wasn't until I realized that I was nonbinary that I began to acknowledge how those narratives were dissonant with my identity, and that they offered no navigable path for living during the times when I do identify as male. Oh! So, thank you for putting it in a way that made me feel seen now.

[@grantlauzon5237]

I like the idea of turning “Martha” into a storytelling vocab term like MacGuffin, antihero, lancer, 2nd act, heroes journey, or goober.

[@GoodAvatar]

.... I know that I can look it up, but what's "Lancer?"

[@MaxwellKasper]

@@GoodAvatar From memory, a character that is supposed to be a physical rival to the protagonist, one who in old literature typically wielded a lance. A character as powerful, if not more, to test the protagonist's mettle in battle and their moral fiber, but not necessarily an antagonistic force. Goku and Vegeta Spider-Man and Venom Aang and Zuko, etc. Edit: Can't believe I forgot King Arthur and Sir Lancelot.

[@noahkarpinski1824]

@@GoodAvatar The protagonist's second in command who's a foil/rival in some way

[@worldweaver2691]

I've heard everything but goober. what is goober in storytelling?

[@TheSongwritingCat]

Damsel, sexy lamp, fridging

[@sgteelinger]

as a mixed race person, i think i would disassociate into two single-race people. but then one of them would get pushed into the void because she’s brown. then the other one would of course be shoved in a fridge because she’s a woman.

[@Halafas]

Snyder has constantly been pushing poc roles and casting people who are not white into main roles. You are very mistaken.

[@shmunkyman33]

Hawking Race-iation (physics people will understand)

[@donbeedrill]

@@Halafas damn zaaack snyyyyderr pushing the browns into my mooovies definitely not because they earned their spot noooo its because they're brooooown

[@s.g.7572]

@@Halafas Yeah, like Cyclops, and...umm....

[@garrusn7702]

@@donbeedrill that's not what he said. You obviously read that comment in bad faith.

[@pedroxqui]

- She doesn't exist when she's not in my frame - She comes and helps my personal growth - She's a lady ... Martha Mae Fish :O

[@chrismoney9101]

I’m just here for the abs and punching. That scene where Batman becomes a CrossFit bro in order to battle an alien space god is pure gold.

[@johnmcclure40]

The thing that always bugged me about the 'lead him back to the city because the weapon is there' thing, is IT'S A SPEAR! SPEARS ARE DESIGNED TO BE PICKED UP AND CARRIED! This is not something like a death star sized cannon, this is a stick with a rock on it. What should have happened is this. "Hey, Clark? The creature is on Deserted island. You come occupy it, and ask Diana to grab the spear and follow, okay? Or I can come back and grab it, if that's easier."

[@Adeloye1000]

Well at that time Superman was nuked and was still in space and wonder man hadn't showed up yet so in his view it was up to him. Now, Batmans plan was probably to occupy the monster and bring it closer to weapon which was deserted. If batman had flown back, the monster would go to an occupied area and then batman would have to play cat and mouse. So, no. Batman didn't even know Diana was gonna show up or if Superman was still alive and he definetly did not want the monster to go strolling into a city while looking for the spear. The thing is that Zack isn't the only one writing these movies. It is written, check and double check by a team and even altered during the process of production. The imagination that this guy just ignores creative inputs and script adjustments is fantasy and though he is director and he does get final say, too many people assume that he doesnt listen to other creatives even though many of the actors hes worked with confirm his openness to ideas

[@georgefrieje6601]

@@Adeloye1000 exactly 💯

[@Tareltonlives]

Does it really need to be a spear? Only the tip goes into Supes; why not a knife or a short sword, something to put on the utility belt and isn't so cumbersome?

[@johnmcclure40]

@@Tareltonlives He was probably wary of getting within grappling range of Superman. Don't forget, he didn't even know for sure how much effect the Kryptonite would have.

[@Tareltonlives]

@@johnmcclure40 Still, a spear puts him in grappling range; Supes dodges with super speed and suddenly the spear's useless

[@raphaelmarquez9650]

When they mention "realism," I thought they meant applying to the laws of physics and gravity and a complete omission to supernatural elements like gods and aliens. That was the overall idea of Nolan's Batman trilogy, where Ra Sha Gul isn't immortal, Joker doesn't have permanent white skin and green hair, and Bane doesn't use a serum to further increase his muscles. Because those things aren't realistic, so their powers and abilities had to be changed to be more practical and possible. Making a more realistic style of Superman would be an impossible feat because everything about him and his mythos defies the laws of the real world even if you remove his alien origin.

[@Adeloye1000]

Realism can take on many forms and doesnt just mean omission of all unreal possibilities because movies are at their core fiction. The line of realism is arbitrary and tends to mean adherence to the established rules of that universe. A batman wouldn't exist in our real world and go on like that for as long as he did in his movies

[@AllWIllFall2Me]

Technically, what most people mean by "realism" is more in line with what's called "verisimilitude". Which is a somewhat messy concept, but essentially means "follows the logic of the world it creates". As a very basic example: imagine a society of bird-people. They can fly, often faster than they can walk. Such a society would develop a very different form of architecture than humanity: fences wouldn't make much sense. Chairs would be shaped differently. Doors would be on the roofs of buildings, etc etc. This gets complicated when it gets involved in superhero stories, because there, what a lot of people are asking for is MORAL verisimilitude: they want the characters to behave as they believe people behave...and the people making that request often feel attacked, belittled, and without a purpose, and seek power as a means for revenge or to remove themselves from the position of being attacked. Thus, they believe a world with people with super-human abilities would naturally be a world filled with super-predators. Let's compare two very drastic examples: there is a Flash story I quite like where three of his villains, while robbing a bank near Christmas, accidentally knock over a truck full of toys to be delivered to local orphanages. And the three villains stop. They see the truck, they see what they've done, and they briefly negotiate with Flash: they'll drop the money, so they haven't stolen anything, and he doesn't have to chase them, so he can get the toys to the kids on time. They get away, the bank gets its money, and the kids get their toys. That's the moral backbone of the Flash universe: even bank robbers and murderers are willing to give up thousands of dollars to help children in need on Christmas. It's a very nice story, dripping with Christmas cheer, but it's also not something a lot of people would find believable. Compare that to something like the storyline for A-Train in the first couple episodes of The Boys: A-Train is a speedster with a substance abuse problem, who accidentally kills a woman while high, but refuses to take responsibility, and uses his powerful financial backers to hide his misdeeds. That feels more genuine to more cynical readers. You're correct that some people do want realistic physics and reduced supernatural elements in order to better relate to a work, but this other paradigm is another very big component of calls for "realism", and, as Maggie says, it kind of speaks to the moral and mental frameworks of those who write them.

[@johandrytenias1725]

What we refer to realism it's about the way we, in our world, would conceive the idea of Superman and how we could react if we find out there's an alien with godlike powers who's willing to save humanity. Some will accept him without question and some will fear him and resent him for the damage that's been done since his arrival.

[@snrken]

@Erik Kemeey lol copium

[@AmandaBorowski]

As someone who was recently harassed by the most aggressively Snyder fans for weeks thank you so much for this video. I’ve absolutely loved this series, it’s so well researched and edited. Thank you for all your hard work!

[@MaggieMaeFish]

💖💖💖

[@santiagoamaya5444]

As a Snyder fan, I am so sorry, I hate that some people become so fanatic on a movie, a director or a product. It can be criticized. As I have learned in this videos, there is so many things of him that need to be criticized and reviewed.

[@raw3760]

you bullied their favorite director, why you play victim ?

[@raw3760]

@Louise Sea well there is so much bad movies out there, why always blame snyder ? i dont understand. months ago feminism who work for marvel commented on snyder cut 70 mil budget, she says the 70 mi; should donated into vaccine. smh people are stupid when too much hatred on their mind.

[@mattiecastillo2683]

@Louise Sea To many people restrictive, single-minded approaches are a feature, not a bug.

[@666kittycat666]

I’m a bi transguy so I would either be cast as Scarlet Johansson and straight washed or just erased entirely. Not even good enough for homophobic jokes rip😩

[@s.g.7572]

"Scarlet Johansson, in her bravest role to date"

[@6ViolinRed]

I had the gall to disagree with someone on Twitter who argued that Superman was feminist because he "defended" the waitress in Man of Steel. Got dog-piled and accused of virtual signaling. Lovely faction of the fandom.

[@AlexanderBlues1228]

The jerky out-of-sequence feeling that Snyder’s films so often provoke in viewers goes back to something else Folding Ideas pointed out in his excellent video: That Snyder is a director who excels at creating (or recapturing, as in “Watchmen”) powerful moments. His shots are often perfectly framed, almost like comic book panels, but they feel lifeless. There’s a sterility to his work. And he also is very bad at creating the connective tissue between these moments. So much so that he often creates the necessary transitions in post, often through ADR. His films are like a slideshow of fantastic images that he struggles to make into a story, unless that story (“300”, “Watchmen”) has literally been plotted out for him in pictures.

[@cyclone313]

Nerdwriter did an amazing video about that: how Zack Snyder's films don't actually have scenes, just moments haphazardly strung together

[@christopherb501]

Have there ever been any fan cuts that managed to edit some genuine feeling in?

[@itxmv5881]

Omg, the trilogy is finally complete. Thank you for all of these Maggie. These videos are always amazing.

[@courtney1329]

Rob Snyder: fellas, is it gay to tell your wife whom you have a child with goodbye?

[@wantanamera]

Honestly, ya. A little gay 🤏

[@AlmostSkillfull]

It's so funny that you mention "in case they fell asleep and are only now waking up" because when I saw Batman V Superman in theatres with my friends I fell asleep and that is the exact scene I woke back up to.

[@APAndrew]

“Rage is easy. Compassion is hard.” I damn near cheered. 👍

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

Compassion is hard? For who?

[@EforEveryone10]

Im a young skinny, geeky black male, so im either shot or being slurred at while being shot. On the other hand, my self depreciative sense of humor is now, finally considered funny and not cringy at all, so really it evens out.

[@goldenalpaca3881]

I see myself in this post and I don't like it

[@choo-choo4922]

I don't understand how Snyder (or any big wigs in the DC film productions) can understand so little about Batman broader characterization. Rage isn't Batman's heroic flaw or even a central character motivation. If anything his weakness is fear. He lost almost everyone he loved and he worked really hard to love again through the rest of the bat family. Bats is uniquely weak to scarecrow's toxins because it makes him see his loved ones dying. He became a superhero not to cope, but protect innocent people from that fear. Rage my ass. There's a reason Batman is usually depicted as a green or yellow lantern.

[@mst3kharris]

Because to admit that Batman was born from the broken heart of eight-year-old Bruce Wayne is to admit that men can be powerful through a feeling other than rage.

[@thebaker525]

Ironically the only filmmaker to put that character analysis to film was _Joel Schumacher_ in Batman & Robin. The arc of Batman is one of trusting his friends after developing control issues out of his fear of losing of them. Alfred calls Batman Bruce’s “attempt to control the fates”.

[@shoesncheese]

In the comics, rage would be antithetical to Batman. He revels in control and calculated action. Every punch, every gadget, planned and prepared. Rage is random and messy. Rage kills people. Batman just maims people very carefully.

[@tulokthebarbrarian2033]

FINALLY someone is taking aim at the heccin' owl movie.

[@dragoniraflameblade]

Ikr?

[@Tacom4ster]

Eh disappointed that she would skim it again

[@Hawkatana]

Didn't expect to see you here, man.

[@thefollowingisatest4579]

waaaaaaahhhhh i just watched your noob saibot vid what is happening

[@jordanlovell7433]

So I can't be the only one that thought that movie was made up for a couple jokes in that one episode of 30 rock, right?

[@jipflip]

Getting Away with Martha Martha on the Orient Express Martha Most Foul! A Perfect Martha Dial M for Martha

[@aestevalis0]

Throw Martha From The Train. A Fistful Of Marthas. The Never-Ending Martha. On Her Majesty's Secret Martha.

[@jipflip]

@@aestevalis0 Don't tell Martha the Babysitter's Dead

[@RogueAstro85]

A Martha of Crows

[@aestevalis0]

I could do this all night. Kung-Fu Martha Kung-Pow: Enter the Martha The Marthacist SW ep IV: A New Martha Nightmare On Martha Street. The 13th Martha (Floor) The 13th Martha (Warrior) 13 Marthas (Ghosts) Le Cite de Marthas Perdus (Robo) Marthacop (Time) Marthacop Lord Of The Marthas (Flies) Lord of the Marthas (Rings)

[@jipflip]

@@aestevalis0 Episode One: The Phantom Martha

[@CatCheshireThe]

I think the saddest thing about BvS is that it's clear that Snyder struggled pretty hard in coming up with a reason for Batman and Superman to fight each other, when really his whole thing already provides the perfect reason: they are both hyper-masculine figures who are incapable of introspection so the only way they can resolve a difference of opinion is by fighting each other. But he couldn't do that because the only way to resolve that conflict would have been for the characters to confront themselves and realize that said hypermasculinity is what is really causing the harm and working out their differences by you know, talking. So instead he has to come up with this awkward contrived scenario for them to fight, such that it allows them to resolve the fight without either of them actually addressing the core issue, because Snyder doesn't think that issue is actually bad. He needed them to be able to come into conflict, and then end the conflict, without learning anything or growing as people.

[@TheWarrrenator]

💯🎯

[@SonofSethoitae]

He also establishes a perfectly good reason; Batman's fucked up from the destruction of Metropolis, and views Superman (probably rightly) as a threat. He just wastes two hours having batman restate the obvious on top of some vague ideological talking points without really doing anything.

[@SonofSethoitae]

@kafu Kemeh Being able to explain a thing does not make that thing good or worthwhile. Besides which, I _understand_ Zack Snyder's movies just fine, I just don't like them.

[@SonofSethoitae]

@kafu Kemeh No, it's because they're boring, on top of being grim and excessively violent.

[@SonofSethoitae]

@kafu Kemeh Yeah, no, that's not why. Scorsese's "Silence" was long and had plenty to analyze, it made me profoundly uncomfortable, and I loved it. Snyder is not a good enough filmmaker to make this argument for. People can understand his movies and still not like them my dude. I get Zack Snyder, I just hate his movies. Posting videos explaining them isn't going to make a difference.

[@matriaxpunk]

The sad thing is that, in a patriarcal society, power fantasies for men will always be taken more seriously than power fantasies for women, even to the point of not realizing that they are equally ridiculous, if not more.

[@matriaxpunk]

@@weskerwillie9044 did you even saw the video?

[@matriaxpunk]

@@weskerwillie9044 well, she says BvS is a power fantasy for insecure men, when she compares it to the Twilight franchise.

[@matriaxpunk]

@@weskerwillie9044 my point is why are you asking me? Ask her.

[@matriaxpunk]

@@weskerwillie9044 she can't reply? Why? Leave a comment on the video, she's the one making the point you don't agree with in the first place. My point just takes her point for granted.

[@matriaxpunk]

@@weskerwillie9044 also, I didn't even say BvS is a power fantasy, I just sayed that power fantasies for men are taken more seriously than power fantasies for women. Period. Even if you don't think bvs is a power fantasy, my point is still valid.

[@chrishandy9172]

As an more or less conventionally attractive straight man I likely would be doing something generically active when the camera is off me in a Snyder film. Though I would also be played by an actor that makes me look like the off brand version of myself since I'm not ripped and/or jacked.

[@CharleyDeppner]

*Writer* : Did you know Superman and Batman's mothers have the same name? We should work that into the script. *Zack Snyder* : That _IS_ the script!

[@Excrucian]

At the beginning of BvS, when they were panning over Mrs Wayne's memorial, I thought to myself "I never noticed Batman and Superman's mother have the same name. Wonder if anyone's done anything with that?" Hours later: "welp"

[@ShirDeutch]

Instead of the weak "I am Ironman" line, Avengers: Endgame should have climaxed with Spider-Man telling Star-Lord "I am also named Peter". That's just good writing.

[@KarlKristofferJohnsson]

Kind of disappointing that they never did anything with Batman's and Aquaman's dads having the same name.

[@ShirDeutch]

@@KarlKristofferJohnsson they're totally doing it in the Snyder Cut!

[@mattiecastillo2683]

@@KarlKristofferJohnsson Now I kind of want a parody AU where Batman's parents wanted to split, but felt a divorce would be too harsh on Bruce so they faked their deaths instead.

[@charalampostsakirides-pala2761]

Given: We are dead. Indications of status: deliveries of film Analysis and FINALLY a recipe on a Martha. I think. Might just be a hidden recipe on how to save a cat, something I like.

[@dudeist_priest]

I'm a very tall white guy, Snyder would never cut away from me.

[@THATGuy5654]

" I need your help to save my mom!" "What!? You're too high up; I can't hear you!" " I'm worried you're going to try to fight me if I come too close! My mom, Martha Kent, is being held in a secret location by Lex Luthor! He wants me to fight you, but you're a detective, so maybe you can help!" "Holy crap, your mom is named Martha, too?! Heck yeah, saving people is my thing! Let's be friends and help your and every Martha!" #releasethenotsnidercut

[@TheWarrrenator]

#meetingsthatshouldhavebeenanemail

[@THATGuy5654]

@@TheWarrrenator *reads slowly to separate words* ...HA!

[@bakasta5992]

@CPM3 what was the point? That Superman is too dumb to realize that just explaining himself would be more beneficial than doing exactly what Lex wanted him to do?

[@O1OO1O1]

Maybe you should use your super voice to speak up from a safe distance, Superman. He could also use his super speed, that is almost as fast as Flash's, to whisper. But, you know, in a manly way. And he can always say "no homo" just to be sure.

[@ExhaustedWombat]

Unbelievable that Superman’s super vocal projection was ignored in the movie. #NotMySuperman #LetClarkSpeak

[@bananaboatcharlie]

I know that I may be the last human alive who cared about the Guardians of Ga'hoole books and who felt personally attacked by the hecking film, but that little owl, Digger, was a male, not female as stated. I think that's important because he gets lumped in with the females and victims (even by the reviewer!) because he is physically weaker and smaller, whereas the other males learn to fight and get the girl owl. It's also interesting that in the book that girl owl was intelligent and stuck-up and NOT a love interest! She was her own character that grew and changed independent of a connection to Soren. She lost an eye in battle! Snyder literally took a female character that had nothing to do with Soren and stripped everything interesting from her so she could be the girlfriend. 👀👀👀

[@belegl.7721]

I also cared about them alot (the first six books anyway, I kind of lost the thread after that), at about the same time i read the Warrior Cats book (but only the first series) and I am to this day proud that i figured out/guessed the brother-twist the first time Metalbeak appeared.

[@lorenzosivilotti1791]

Hi, I went and made an account just to say that I also love those books to death. My bookshelf has evolved a lot since I first read them, but they still have pride of place on it

[@reubenm.d.5218]

I haven't seen the movies (wasn't even aware they existed), but trust Snyder to make a change like that. So lemme get this straight: Gylfie is Soren's *girlfriend* in the movie?!

[@bananaboatcharlie]

@@reubenm.d.5218 No, not Gylfie. _Otulissa_

[@ggrarl]

You're a bit confused. The elf owl was Gylfie. In the book, she was technically older than Soren, and thus a bit smarter, providing some exposition, and she learned how to fly sooner. She was sidelined in the film, and they implied she had feelings for Soren, when they were just good friends, not to mention different species. Digger was a burrowing owl who was quite wise, and they made him comic relief. Otulissa, who they changed from a spotted owl to a short-eared owl for some reason, was a proud know-it-all who the film implies Soren had a crush on, even though he couldn't stand her in the books for the longest time. She eventually stops being such a pain and proves to be an amazing fighter, giving Nyra her scar and then later losing an eye. She ironically ends up with a guy who's a pacifist. Also, female owls (and all birds of prey for that matter) are larger than males, but not in this movie.

[@martymcflown3707]

Batman mansplaining the strength of the human spirit to Wonder Woman really just encapsulates Snyder's whole career, huh?

[@hankhill1307]

*Batsplaining

[@calebreynolds9183]

@@johnstavropoulos7049 Except when he’s sending 10 year olds to their potential deaths.

[@MattEldritchHorror]

@@calebreynolds9183 He's even worse than the typical army recruiter in that sense.

[@jospinner1183]

@@MattEldritchHorror Army recruiters would go after 10-year-olds if it was legal.

[@billyweed835]

Batmansplaning, if you will.

[@samueljenner1528]

I always thought that Black Widdow being barren didn't make sense and so I always miss remember her self hatred as (only) being a part of her being a former assassin. She mentions it Avengers when she says "I have a lot of red in my ledger"

[@mst3kharris]

I was so mad upon hearing about the infertility plot twist and the decision to pair her with Bruce that I refused to watch _Age of Ultron._

[@haroldsandahl6408]

I didn't think it was about infertility. I thought it was about how she let herself be turned into a tool, into a monster. Like what Bruce was doing with the Hulk, allowing others to turn him into a tool, into a monster. The surgery was supposed to be a sign of how she couldn't go back. How that had a permanent effect on her. Probably should have done something other than sterilize the person, but that was how I read it

[@bananaboatcharlie]

She isn't barren, the system that turned her into a killer also forcibly took away her ability to have children, something she resisted.

[@samueljenner1528]

@@bananaboatcharlie is barren not synonomous with an inability to have kids?

[@samueljenner1528]

@@haroldsandahl6408 but she's still sterilized, right?

[@bbrbbr-on2gd]

As a POC and a dude, I'd be in the military or working at the Daily Planet, cause those are our only job options.

[@mburumorris3166]

When you get that sweet sweet Universal basic Income maybe military servicwe should be compulsory

[@TheHypeEngine]

Did you miss the gay couple on the boat?

[@neatoburrito9045]

Or you’d be Cyborg. Or Aquaman.

[@PayondeAwsome]

Even Aunt May got a scene remembering Uncle Ben in Spiderman 3. In Spiderman 2 she straight up gave resistance to Peter trying to reconcile with her for indirectly killing Uncle Ben. Obviously she isn't okay with that. Martha gets no such treatment.

[@LezCharming]

I'm a disabled woman,so Lex Luthor sabotaged my wheelchair with an explosive.

[@TheHypeEngine]

Lex Luthor wouldn't tell you the chair is rigged though.

[@LezCharming]

@@TheHypeEngine Thus I explode in spectacular fashion.

[@vwin9112]

@@LezCharming because Lex is NUTS!

[@iciajay6891]

I'm a CSA survivor. So I'm prob in Babydolls shows. Awesome Snyde

[@Cursed_Mark]

Hey, you could also betray your countrymen for gold and women. That's two options!

[@AtomicBananaPress]

I just remembered that Amy Adams was Giselle in Enchanted and suddenly the Snyder Superman movies are *hilarious*

[@ThatOneGuy0006]

Holy shit that makes it so much better!

[@Nyhde]

My time off screen would be spent by reading and writing political flyers, because that's the only form of literature anarchists engage in within the Snyderverse. While eating a cold chunk of tofu. Because of course. If I weren't a pacifist, I would also be making Molotov cocktails. But I suppose the question is, is there a place for pacifists in Snyderverse? Ah yes, of course - THEY'RE ALREADY DE-- (Thank you for a wonderful series. It must have taken a whole lot effort to make, but it was thoroughly worth it. There aren't too many essays which delve this deep into their subject matter. I was wondering if you're going to review the Director's Cut of Justice League, if it's ever released? Anyway, thank you! It was a blast!)

[@reuteratwork8983]

Pacifists exist in the Snyderverse purely as sniveling, scolding, fearful naysayers, who are only there to be ultimately proven wrong by the decisive evil-punching that is performed by the manly men...

[@rachaelbao]

Very good bit about “There’s only one choice!” and interrupting all conversation with violent. It reminds me of how often trying to teach little boys, (or in any way stop them from indulging every impulse) tends to get me assaulted in some way. I don’t think they need to feel justified that what feels good to them is the ultimate right, and when I threaten it with any way with rules (or paying attention to anything but them), they defend it so violently.

[@jmalmsten]

Znyderverse being the male version of Twilight... Uhm... That fits almost too well to be funny. O.o

[@iciajay6891]

Omg it so is.

[@Tareltonlives]

It makes SO much sense

[@Ruosteinenknight]

I'm going to use this.

[@terryloh8583]

When I showed Superman the Movie (1978) to my friend Tina for the first time, the very first observation she made about Superman was that he listened. It may be the reason his version made me feel safe--and not because of his strength or traditional 'masculinity' (he was in many ways the opposite of the 'Alpha Male'). Being heard is so important, and this is an underlying theme of that movie, which is such a contrast to Snyder's take on the character.

[@Tareltonlives]

Snyder's Superman is surprisingly insecure for someone who is almost invincible.

[@acehealer4212]

“Do a heccin’ gender to a bunch of owls” is a phrase I never expected to hear.

[@knightmareAlpha]

I would have an eternal Champagne brunch with all the other people not existing at the moment

[@patchvanguillotine]

I'll raise my glass with you

[@helenl3193]

If we don't exist, do we get to skip out on the bill? If so, I'm totally in! 😁

[@MattEldritchHorror]

@@helenl3193 If so, we should at least tip generously.

[@micahcook2408]

Maggie, the Cosmonaut Picture Show also touched on this too in terms of masculinity and how Snyder missed the point of these two masculine figures and what they stand for in the comics and other media... people mistake Bruce/Batman for being unfeeling because he’s just brooding/grumpy and mistake Superman/Clark for being alien because he was born on another planet without going into detail in other forms of representation that these characters in fact DO have emotions and morals and beliefs and act different with non-villainous characters lololol Superman, who was raised MOST OF HIS LIFE by humans, is a sensitive all American boy who identifies as a human being and doesn’t believe in killing and Batman is a calloused fatherly figure who doesn’t believe in killing 😂😂😂😂 even if you wanted for them to kill Zack, you should’ve changed the morals and values in their films... like you said Maggie, Batman shouldn’t have gotten mad at Clark for destroying the city but then continue to destroy the city and same with Superman who got mad at Bruce for killing innocent people 😂😂😂 Cosmo also mentioned how Zack missed the satirical point of violence in Watchmen because he likes violence ......... like Zack, if you want obligatory gritty violence in morally themed children’s superhero films, then CHANGE the morals of the characters and the script that would help the audiences reaction to, and understanding of, the themes of the script 😂😂😂 like Birds of Prey works better because of that; the violence and radical emotion in that movie makes sense 😂😂

[@mija3203]

YES

[@jennifermems1111]

It occurs to me that the justice league animated show, where they actually do talk to each other because it is a cartoon for kids that is supposed to teach good behavior, has the more emotionally mature characters.

[@doomsday1450]

no

[@Tareltonlives]

That is the only legit DC media

[@palazzo1113]

Watching Maggie Mae Fish eviscerate Snyder is a thing of beauty. It really is.

[@BenChanNYC]

I was laughing at "Lady!!", then guffawed at the Twilight comparison, but then you swerved and showed compassion by acknowledging how Snyder's pain *is* real to some people, and that's why his most adamant supporters are so defensive. It's just too bad that he doesn't provide them with even a hint of a healthy solution to their pain.

[@lamidene8139]

I just have one small note regarding lobotomies, though they’ve been used in many cases to force family members to be more docile (see Rosemary Kennedy, or the man who was lobotomized as a tween because his stepmother thought he was too rowdy) They were not made specifically to strip housewives of their free will. The first lobotomies were conducted on a test group of people with anxiety, schizophrenia, and depression (of both sexes). put together bad science and ego tripping doctors, and you have what was initially praised as a cure for the hopeless that could “cut out bad memories”, until the affects came to light.

[@MaggieMaeFish]

I could have been more clear when I said lobotomies were "developed," by which I meant that the technology was developed over time. Didn't mean to say that was the intent when they were originally invented.

[@captainstarlight3780]

Side note: After learning about the real persian empire, I always hoped they would have defeated the greeks.

[@senefelder]

Fun fact: about half of the Greek cities allied themselves with the Persian Empires

[@Tareltonlives]

Empowered women, freedom of worship, a postal service, and pants! I suspect that's why Snyder and Miller hate them

[@rafmeinster]

You need to read more history books.

[@GoodAvatar]

@@PortlandSucksss That depends on the *person* , doesn't it? It's been my experience that American Conservatives are *painfully ignorant* of history outside of the mythology they were taught.

[@GoodAvatar]

300 is one of those *extremely rare* movies that I both genuinely love and I can easily mock. Because it *IS* silly, it's over the top, it's style-over-substance and that works for that movie, for what it is. However, to say it has problems would be an absurd understatement. I don't think that even half of what makes 300 great *IS* the unbelievably ridiculous, propagandistic nature of the story being told. It's downright similar to Starship Troopers on that front. As in, "Oh yeah, we're supposed to think that the obnoxiously jacked slave-owning society full of baby-murderers and weirdo 'Hills Have Eyes' priests and psychopathically abused child-soldiers was a society about *FREEDOM* , huh? Yeah? Really?"

[@paolinaag7786]

Wow, Snyder literally had Batman mansplain the good of men to Wonder Woman

[@O1OO1O1]

He has to find some way to get his Martha. In Justice League the better animated series, Diana is usually the one teasing him, which fits better and is a better dynamic.

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

LOL Do you not realize WW because she is a GODDESS would BY DEFINITION not know "men" given her experience. Its like saying a man explaining humanity to a female alien is "sexist." She's a fish out water that's the point of her film DIRECTED BY A WOMAN. WOW such bad logic.

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

@@O1OO1O1 Its a different version of WW not one Patty and Zack created.

[@O1OO1O1]

@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 She's been living longer than Bruce in that movie. Curb your bad logic claim.

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

@@O1OO1O1 She has not been ACTIVELY a part of men - its only when Trevor arrives in the comics and cartoons USUALLY Diana has been with people for a LONG time So please curb YOUR bad claims

[@TBrogren]

Love the 'stache. How long have you been digitally editing that out??

[@MrPiccoloku]

#Releasethemoustachecut

[@Piemanthe3rd]

Offscreen in a Snyder film I'd probably be in a building getting knocked down in an "abandoned" port

[@euansmith3699]

Indeed, "Abandoned" doesn't mean the same as "Deserted"; but I guess that a bunch of dead homeless people in OBJECTIVELY positive in some twisted world views. :(

[@mst3kharris]

One of my favorite things about _BvS_ is watching it while trying to figure out what the Diana of _Wonder Woman_ must be thinking as events unfold. I think she bounces between, “I want to go home,” “I really miss Steve,” and “Sweet Hera, how has Man’s World gotten _worse?”_ Edited to add: oh merciful Athena, that whole section on the definition of a Martha has such hideous implications for how Snyder might envision Diana’s role in the Trinity. Also, I snarled every time I saw that “Is she with you?”/“I thought she was with you” exchange. In my heart, Diana steps up between them, says firmly, “I’m here for myself,” then kills Doomsday while Clark and Bruce are trying to figure out what that meant.

[@mst3kharris]

Also I screamlaughed when I saw the white owl with eyeliner and my family is very worried about me.

[@uosdwiSrdewoH]

One of my least favourite tropes is when people who are in conflict don't say what they need to in order for it to resolve. Instead they dance around it so things can be drawn out further. If a conflict cannot continue organically than you did a poor job setting it up in the first place.

[@kerpal1233]

I can't stop thinking about peacemaker now especially compared to previous DCEU stuff.

[@moxperidot1012]

I get put into a t-pose the moment I'm off-screen in a Snyderverse film to save on resources. Zack said he'll release a cut of a film I'm in where you can see this if he gets 20 million dollars.

[@AlbyPlayerOne]

Idk if this was part of your master plan but when this popped up in my feed, I had no idea about parts 1 + 2 so now I’m here waiting on the edge of my seat having just binged both parts

[@palazzo1113]

You are in for a treat!

[@SergioLeRoux]

This is like getting a perfect 3D model scan of Snyder's brain.

[@labyrinthwomb]

A "Martha" is also the word for older female servants unable to bear children in 'The Handmaid's Tale.'

[@Ruosteinenknight]

It also was greek-aramaic word, meaning mistress of the house.

[@averyhinks1799]

I'm a fan of Snyder's work in a way that I watch them and enjoy the punching and stylization and over-the-top emotion and laugh at it for all the exact reasons you bring up in these 3 videos. Well done!

[@RewMec226]

Then your missing out because all his films are satirical political cartoons. That’s like watching Robocop for the violence and ignoring the commentary. He’s basically the modern day Paul Verhoven using Myth and Comic books as a backdrop. You have to understand irony / meta-contextual fiction to fully appreciate his work.

[@ravedubin3983]

@@RewMec226 I agree Snyder’s work is incredibly political the problem is the politics are garbage and it’s laughable how you compare this mediocre director who keeps failing up to anyone else.

[@PeanutStrawberry]

"At least the Persians get to be fabulous" was such an epic thing to say xD

[@Tareltonlives]

Also: pants

[@Zahaqiel]

Batman's "we can do better" is to aspirational goal setting what "sorry I'm not perfect" is to deflecting blame. Also... doesn't that make a "Martha" just a _maternal humanoid concept female?_ Add a little shading and cross-hatching and I'm sure we can upgrade one to a manic pixie dream girl in no time!

[@simonegreco1958]

To be fair, it was always Marvel that was more serious and that tried to reflect the "real world" more. This comes through in the movies aswell. While the MCU deals with familiar issues and entities, the DCEU movies are more "abstract", about broader themes. It's no coincidence that the DCEU first scene is an alien planet dying and the MCU first scene is...the war on terror. DC fans try to hide this behind Snyder's tone and gloom, but Snyder heavily takes after Miller and his Batman works. And the whole DC entrerpise in movies have been very Batman centric. But Batman isn't representative of the whole DC has to offer

[@mightyfilm]

The Marvel comics characters were made with pathos, but can genuinely be fun and cartoonish as well. Spider-Man and The Thing have immense emotional baggage, yet are some of the most fun characters in the Marvel canon. The problem with DC's movies until recently is that they're trying to be the Dark Knight films, which worked with the tone and gritty darkness inherent in Batman. Those films were an antidote to the horrendously campy and cartoonish (in a bad way) direction the Batman films took. Hilariously starting off as a dark and gritty (-ish) antidote to the lasting impression of cartoonish and camp (in a good way) 60's Batman. All I can say about the Marvel films is at least they're done right with their tone. You have to have both the fun and the pathos. Too much of one or the other makes a film idiotic and over the top. That's why my favorite DC movie as of late is Shazam. Sure, it's a lot less goofy than the insanely goofy Golden Age Captain Marvel comics, but it manages to keep being fun. And it doesn't overlook the fact that one of his big villains is a damn worm with a small radio strapped to him, even though we have to wait for the second one for that.

[@phastinemoon]

The Lego Batman movie understands Batman better than ANYTHING Snyder has ever done.

[@mightyfilm]

It's such a shame that Snyder's influence screwed up the movies for a time that the best movies DC had to offer were animated parodies that were better written and had an intense love for the source material. Yes, even TTG to the Movies. That movie's response to the Martha scene was glorious. And yet, more of an audience flocked to the awful, overbudgeted Batman V Superman.

[@simonegreco1958]

@@mightyfilm "there is no stopping the Batman" scene from TTG > the warehouse scene

[@mightyfilm]

I loved in one episode that they dismissed the movie as "that film where the two boys' mothers' name is Martha." Not quite the exact quote, but it had me roaring with laughter. That and the one time they also threw shade at Batman and Robin by having all the props related in a dumpster, and Cyborg burning the entire thing.

[@aperson4640]

Wes Anderson: Maybe we should talk this out. Zack Snyder: I'll kill you, half a city and then myself!!! Wes Anderson: 😳

[@grantlauzon5237]

I’d love a silly Superman movie that takes place in the 30s.

[@monicaenns9967]

When I saw the Batman v Superman trailer, I thought the fight would end with WonderWoman stopping the fight, smacking them both upside the head, and telling them to grow up..

[@artisticcannibalism1350]

But this is a Snyder film and what you just described would be funny, interesting, and actually have a point.

[@christopherb501]

So...the Grey Spy just without the murder?

[@ryanschrafel9576]

Monica, what you described happened in a story in DC: The New Frontier called Superman & Batman in a Fight to the Finish. I highly recommend reading DC: The New Frontier if you haven’t already.

[@Tareltonlives]

That would be the only way it'd make sense. Why is she even here? She's just a subplot hook for a sequel. She doesn't even give Bruce much-needed muscle or wake-up slap.

[@fleecemaneparka4177]

LOL She's not just a Martha, she's a mom Martha. She's...a MOMTHRA.

[@mst3kharris]

She has tiny twin priestesses? Sorry, thought you said Mothra.

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

@@mst3kharris Godzilla 2, directed by Zack Snyder.

[@Tareltonlives]

Godzilla is somehow less murderous than any Snyder hero

[@marocat4749]

@@Tareltonlives And a better redemption arc.

[@springshowers4754]

MOTHRA

[@chrishill317]

I love that this series now has more installments than Zack Snyder's "Justice League".

[@LSOP-]

For now.

[@samaelmalkira9420]

@@LSOP- Oh god please no

[@lorcannagle]

@@samaelmalkira9420 The Snyder Cut is now a 6-part TV show. I told a friend of min e about this and he thought I was kidding...

[@Caveboy0]

The owl books are wild the movie combined the greater threat and the first books antagonists. The helmeted villains are owl white supremacists and the first book is about surviving an abusive orphanage using child labor to find metals that have special powers.

[@macacofrito]

The comparison with Twilight is SO PERFECT i cant fathom. Thank you Maggie

[@Cursed_Mark]

@kafu Kemeh Where in that post is anything specifically anti-Snyder?

[@MrBerniemcgovern]

Yay, love this installment especially. So glad to find your channel this week!

[@AtomicBananaPress]

I'd be cut away from just as a character pointed a gun at my head, only to hear the shot off screen, so a *MaRtHa* could wince at how serious the shooter is.

[@caelmack]

That's the problem with 2020 - not enough Marthas, not even close. 🙃

[@jipflip]

If we could just all agree to call our daughters Martha for a couple of generations, we could end all conflict.

[@christopherb501]

@@jipflip Heck, take it a step further; call all sons (and intersex) such too. If it were gender-neutral, it might not take even THAT long.

[@christopherb501]

@Erik Kemeey you the point

[@Geospasmic]

I'm so glad this turned out to be a crossover! The Zach Snyder Criticical Universe is really taking shape!

[@wes8424]

One of my favorite Rifftrax jokes came during their riff of 300 that feels like a direct commentary on Snyderism now. Narrator: "He doesn't say it...there's no room for softeness...not in Sparta." Bill Corbet in Narrator ascent: "Charmin is outlawed..."

[@Tareltonlives]

The rifftrax is the best thing to ever come out of 300

[@LycoLoco]

I've watched all 3 parts and feel my multi-years at home filmography degree is still strengthening through people like you, Mikey Newmann, Patrick H Willems (it's really honestly just for Charl at this point), Cinefix, and so many others. I've never realized just how both tepidly morbid his stories are while being hyper-focused on reaching death in all of his works, but there it is. No kitties saved, every Martha ignored, and high class perfection in the viewer's mind for even characters like Rorschach. I love how the only book in your ad that isn't blurred out is a very neatly disguised Axiom's End.

[@LycoLoco]

@kafu Kemeh I just recently found The Worm's Hole stuff the other week and love it. I'll give this a watch, thank you!

[@breengreg]

I'd definitely be in a bathtub listening to a podcast about old Hollywood.

[@Alexis01295]

I'd be hiding far away from whatever city is currently under siege, hoping the toxic masculinity doesn't lead to complete destruction of everyone who isn't a super buff dude engaged in an angst fest.

[@idontknowmyname8437]

I’d be feigning sadness over the protags death and then run off to find my female lover

[@JArtsChannel]

Well, I'm a black woman so in a Snyder film I'd be a dead villager or something.

[@tri3183]

Don't worry if I ever get out of the pit Snyder kicked me into I will try to revive you 😂

[@juanjuri6127]

So what you're saying is... you're ALREADY DEAD

[@charsiuwu8084]

Or you would be getting someone coffee

[@GuruPrashanth7970]

Zack snyder race changed some of the well known caucasian characters and made them black, chose black lgbtq actors, minorities for lead roles and made them a strong character, But nah, your people's narrative is that he is a racist right? cool.

[@charsiuwu8084]

I mean, he also shits all over them and in one movies props up the belief they... *Checks notes.* Caused the zombie apocalypse. In addition he also doesn't actually typically handle all casting decisions, much to your chagrin. Movies this big have Casting associates who have assistants, who handle negotiations with studios and agents. WB gets 100% of his casting credit in all the DC movies at the very least. He didn't even handle the casting in Sucker Punch (though likely het got involved in an uncredited way). Directors tell casting departments the kind of people they would like to cast - it's rare they just pull stars from the ether. Typically even roles written for specific actors end up going to other people. I would also argue Snyder doesn't write characters strongly, so much he has a specific idea of physical strength he applies and makes synonymous with strength of character - a fallacy at best and gross negligence at worst.

[@czechmeoutbabe1997]

The thing I find most frustrating about Snyder is that he doesn’t even seem to do the dudebro aspect justice. It’s too bored, gloomy and self-serious to ever be good dudebro. Dudebro and dudes rock in general is supposed to be a triumphant celebration of the uniqueness of dudery, not a somber depiction of the mundane. He sacrifices everything to try to capture that aesthetic, but falls deeply short of it. The Bromittee rates him 0/10.

[@MaggieMaeFish]

yup yup YUP!!!!

[@Halafas]

Have you considered that maybe he actually is not interested in dudebrodery and that's the problem?

[@dildonius]

@@Halafas Well what the fuck IS he interested in?!

[@Halafas]

@@dildonius He is interested in the characters and how these different characters strive towards a better life and better communication. But each film is of course its own realm so if you have a certain point regarding some specific film then ask about that (here i was talking about the Justice League film).

[@andrewharing2637]

@@Halafas If he's interested in that, why doesn't he put it in his films?

[@TheDreamerExtreme]

That "Be Best" audio clip sure got me...sucker punched.

[@tomax9003]

Thank you Martha Mae Fish for making these great videos.

[@catsthemovie4692]

I would be gawking at all the abs before dying ...i'd die happy that's the bright side XDD. 300 is my guilty pleasure, but his dc movies are soo boring. Not even afleck's jaw can help them

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

Lmao I love this comment and I don't know why. It's just reminds me of something that a horny middle aged woman would say and that makes me laugh. You know the kind of woman who read 50 Shades and decided that she'd buy a blindfold and call it BDSM. Not saying you specifically are anything like that but I can just see Karen going on a coffee date with the girls talking about how hot Gerard Butler was in 300

[@Horatio787]

I used to think 300 was a good fun film, but I don't think I could watch again now without laughing uncontrollably every time something was manly.

[@catsthemovie4692]

@@Horatio787 that's the thing it doesn't bore you and you can just laugh at it and enjoy it🤣

[@catsthemovie4692]

@@SuperNuclearUnicorn lol Snyder's movies are unintentionally gay sometimes. The way the camera loves to show off male bodies is something unique to him and that series probably inspired by him called spartacus. They are supposed to be "mmmmeeeennn" but me and the girls gather our pop corn and enjoy the visuals😉. Fifty shades was awful btw, a better movie already existed called nymphomaniac.

[@mburumorris3166]

@@catsthemovie4692 The homoeroticism was intentional

[@worldofcardboard3203]

Also, I think the resources thing is important. A lot of people ask 'why can't you just let Snyder cut fans be happy. It does hurt you if it gets made. Just don't watch it.' and there is something to that. However. Snyder's films aren't made in a vacuum. Specifically, if WB makes a Snyder Superman movie no other Superman movies are gonna come out within four years of it. So seeing him continue to just slam this franchise into the ground until it's bled every single drop of relevance from it's body is depressing. Seeing a character who COULD show that a man can be a mountain of muscle covered in chest hair, the most powerful guy in the room, and still treat other people with respect and kindness get turned into just another stoic loner hurts us all.

[@worldofcardboard3203]

@kafu Kemeh It was fine. It was a perfectly adequate film that was too long but otherwise was fine.

[@sphealingit222]

Like the unspoken touch when mentioning the reshoots where you put the video in 4:3 to keep in line with the Maggie Mae Fish creative vision

[@carolinehammer4034]

I've been binging your videos and love them all so much! The sound of your voice is so calming, you're so FUNNY, and such ridiculously interesting points!!!