Are Dating Apps Pay-to-Win?

[@ZackarySmigel]

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[@Eye-am-Metalchip]

I expected a Deleteme sponsor 😂

[@cerbera_22]

The scent bird ceo thinks potatoes are poison and that cancer is the person's fault, so no thanks.

[@crabnebula3781]

Yeah, the CEO is bonkers Please research before endorsing again

[@shopwildvenus]

Uh oh!

[@seventhtype777]

man... seeing the scentbird sponsor sucks... 100% understand the need for money, don't think it reflects on you as a creator, and know you probably can't say anything while sponsored by them, but hopefully you're able to work with better sponsors in the future

[@CZsWorld]

This video is actually just a covert way to signal to all female viewers of this channel that he's single.

[@luckyzs6067]

Love the horror vids from you🔥

[@katiesackett2321]

Lol I'm here for it 😂

[@johnmama8944]

I feel like I spot you in the comments of every channel I watch! Good taste my friend

[@katiesackett2321]

@@johnmama8944 lol CZsWorld or me? For some reason every time a get a notification on here it looks like someone is @'ing or replying to me 😂😅

[@ChibbyLibrariansAnimeEnc-vl9px]

Its a business expenses

[@daniel_wilkinson]

Dating apps are "Pay to Play." You are not expected to "win." If you win, then you stop using the app and there goes their revenue stream. In my opinion. Allegedly. Now I'll watch the video because you're really entertaining.

[@PlsDontReadThis123]

Yep. Just go out and meet people doing activities and meet through friends and families.

[@Runefrag]

While this is usually how corporation logic works, humans need no help continuing being extremely dysfunctional sociopaths that can't hold a relationship for more than weeks/months.

[@AlqhaIsHereBTD]

not really. most ppl who date on tinder will break up many times. it may be a better incentive for the apps to help people find love then theyd return to that app after the breakup.

[@Fantomstranger]

@@Oakylook out guys I think this we have the new age Einstein among us

[@Fantomstranger]

@@AlqhaIsHereBTDtinder can’t really ensure they breaks up though

[@Yofu]

I feel like a dating app even offering a Lifetime Sub is them basically admitting "Yeah, our service doesn't work, so you're gonna be here for a while."

[@somethingsomething404]

Or they’re saying “this app is for people who aren’t looking to commit” It’s wild that you can say your looking for a long term relationship but you bought a lifetime subscription 😂

[@Balugas1]

Exactly like it makes no sense for a dating app to be “lifetime” am I supposed to be dating for the rest of my life????

[@Masterho310]

Every business I've ever known that offered a lifetime subscription wasn't around 5-10 years later. So I guess we'll see how that goes with bumble.

[@wordlesolve]

It also removes their incentive to faithfully provide you any benefits. For all we know, you get put at the bottom of the stack once you have essentially told them "this is all the money you will ever get from me so no more need to show me any results to convince me of anything"

[@Jordan_C_Wilde]

Dating apps are one of the few services that actively work towards losing their customers by design. The other i can think of are hospitals, and if you need either of them, you're already in a a bad spot.

[@IHittusl]

3x as many dates sounds amazing. 0x3=0

[@FlipWilson-k1h]

🤣🤣

[@JustinJamesJeep]

I thought the same 😂

[@camjo6397]

you sir deserve a date.. for $49.99 a month

[@sprinkle61]

There is no Spoon, and by spoon I mean date...

[@waverazor]

dating apps made me feel like im the ugliest dude in the whole area radius. holy moly

[@thisfeatureissostupid]

if youre just posting photos from your phone camera I garuntee you look uglier than irl. photos from your phone can make a 7 look like a 5, photos taken by an actual photographer and edited can make a 7 look like a 9

[@sprinkle61]

Its not just you, I get 0 interest as well. I think there is a minimum attractiveness level that you have to be as a man to get any swipes, like at least a 5-6 out of 10, and if you are not at that minimum threshold, nothing will happen, and I suspect there is a 40 % or so of profiles that get 0 action, but without much better stats on the apps, there is no way to know.

[@Kingcobraif5]

@@sprinkle61not even man. From like 2017-2018 I got more matches than I knew what to do with. Thousands overall, but that includes being in different states and such. By 2019 it was obviously not working all that well anymore and it coincided with new monetization schemes. By 2021 iirc tinder was unusable. For the best, might I add. You don’t really realize just how degrading advertising and ingratiating yourselves to random strangers is until you just stop doing it.

[@alexandrak.7644]

@@sprinkle61as a woman: yes. we are picky. females always are, evolutionary biology proves it. and dating apps exaggerate this fact. most handsome tall men get access to all the women, below 6 … little chance.

[@thefreshvince879]

Because every single woman has 5+ dudes waiting in line ​@@sprinkle61

[@sassygrilledcheese]

Praying for your mental health recovery after this video

[@senzmaki]

I can't even survive a week using dating apps

[@Hannah-ij2qx]

We have no mental health here Casey

[@Mister_Zoid]

Nobody prays for me.

[@SonTwix]

​@Mister_Zoid I pray that someone prays for you😂 but fr, just keep on pushing. Whatever will get better with time

[@KrooTon]

Oh hello other creator I also watch! It’s my favorite cheese sandwich, sassy and grilled!

[@demon0r]

Theoretically, we have the best opportunity for connection with other people ever. Practically, I've never felt more alienated and lonely.

[@j.r.tomlin4265]

We all sadly do. It's weird if everyone is looking for someone how come nobody can find anyone?

[@IIZCHAOS]

Social media and online has ment people have crazy high standards and because they think they can access so many people they don't stick hard times out and just leave. We live in a time of instant gratification and it's translated to dating. This along with poor standards of living and rising costs makes it harder to start families. The rise of radical feminism and divorce laws favouring women has led to lots of si gle mums raising damaged kids which also makes forming reltionships way harder. We need to bring focus back to the family and supporting and promoting it at all levels of soicity instead of activily destroying it.

[@butter9713]

​@@IIZCHAOS I agreed wit everything until you brought out single mums. Isn't it great to be able to leave an unhappy marriage? Imagine staying with someone you hate for the rest of your life just because ten years ago you thought they were the right one. Like feminism isn't the big evil behind divorce rates or single mums, nowadays, even though it's changing, women are expected to run all the housechores while having a job of their own. Who would want that? Even before divorce was legal women used to kill their husband to get away from them. I'm saying that there are many reasons to divorce (cheating, domestic abuse, disinterest, etc) and that it is a long and tiring process with the legal fees and all the paperwork you have to do. You don't think women divorce left and right just because tiktok told them to do you? Or that women are the only ones to want a divorce. As in the damaged children, well, it takes a village to raise a child and we shouldn't just a expect a new mother to be able to take care of everything. I don't think divorce is to blame for it but rather the lack of community. If everyone gets caught up in their own mess they won't be able to see their neighbor upstairs who is struggling with a baby on her own, and just complain about the noises they make. Too much indivualism with a lonely society

[@danaolsongaming]

It's because we have access to the internet. Before social media and the internet, you were literally forced to join a club or go to the park, or go out with friends if you wanted to do something. Now you can be easily entertained from your couch. The incentive is gone.

[@Brian-jv8iy]

it is no different than randomly talking to busy people. Nothing spectacular about this or different than in other centuries.

[@SatongiFilms]

every app is a dating app if you're brave enough.

[@ComfortableTool86]

Roblox?

[@D3ltus]

Hello there 😏

[@redrainer]

​@@ComfortableTool86 unfortunately yes :(

[@martyshwaartz971]

@@D3ltuswanna bang ?

[@pinobluevogel6458]

I use minesweeper a lot, so far I haven't gotten any dates, but it's free and I feel it is just as succesful.

[@TakanashiYuuji]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how good the audio quality of this video is?

[@yoochem]

Seriously underappreciated. Recording good audio is SO much more difficult than recording good video!

[@iliketohelp8336]

Brah...

[@camshash]

Great analysis Zack. On a side note, the production of the audio in this video is very satisfying. Specifically how your voice stays extremely consistent throughout the different locations. Keep up the good work

[@ZackarySmigel]

Glad to hear that! Its something I've tried to nail down over time (its been a battle). That means a lot!

[@mrgtoyz]

Back before the apps dating websites were designed around actually matching people up with each other because if it was successful, they'd get more clients and hence more money. But now the business is in selling people the idea of getting matches but never really giving it to them. These companies absolutely have the data on us and could easily create an algorithm that could present us with the most compatible partners but what's the point if people are willing to pay obscene amounts of money to keep getting rejected. Feels a lot more like gambling at this point than actual matchmaking.

[@vulpex4105]

Kind of sad, thinking that these apps would be wildly successful too if they matched people all the time and got a good reputation as a valid source of meeting potential matches

[@masaharumorimoto4761]

Even in those days I would go on a first meet up and the girls were fully ready to invite you back to their home to bang with like 30 min talking over coffee, it was crazy, it made me abstain for a long time, I don't want a woman who invites random dudes to her place to bang.

it is the tech thing. First works, grow as much as you can, them you generate money (making things worse)

[@zolfirthedragon]

Enshittification!

[@jonahblock]

I think online dating got worse the more mainstream it got anyways so they pivoted to this scam

[@prisma.]

Dating apps are fundamentally flawed in the way they make money. When a user gets a partner, they stop using the app, so they are actively discouraged to help the userbase find actually good matches.

[@orterves]

Maybe one can step up and provide an ongoing "couples" subscription with anniversary reminders, activity suggestions, etc etc, to keep relationships healthy and happy

[@benmall2190]

I suppose a service that works could still be successful through word of mouth, ie I met my partner on this platform you guys should try it. Wouldn't work if all apps tried this though

[@shadypalmtree2989]

@@orterves They have those. One is called Paired and another is called Official. But both are under a subscription as well. The entire subscription model needs to end as a whole tbh

[@paulsmith5611]

The ideal situation for the apps is to set you up with someone that you will date for a few months but ultimately it won't work out. That's why they like to show people that are 100 or more miles away. They know that's close enough for you to start dating but when there are issues in the relationship you will get tired of driving that far to see each other. Before the pandemic I had several 3 month- 1 year relationships off the websites, and never paid for a subscription. Then I got into a 3 year relationship from the websites. Now I'm trying it again and have almost no conversations and zero dates. It's changed and broken since Covid. I don't see the apps and websites having a future if nobody will even meet in person or get into even a short term relationship. It's like gambling- you have to win something to get addicted. I'm not convinced that paying will do anything to change the situation.

[@marklouis1890]

That makes sense after a while of not receiving anything substantial or anyone of substance I just give up and delete the apps. I take my chances of meeting someone in the real world.

[@Ridcally]

Guess I need to sign up for that pottery class after all.

[@bradblumhof6917]

Go for it! Worst case scenario is that you learn how to do pottery.

[@CordeliaWagner1999]

Why not find a hobby you really like? Just showing up to find a romantic Partner is creepy. Only desperate pickmes don't get the Creep- vibes.

[@DragyxCZ]

@@CordeliaWagner1999 He mentioned pottery class because its a social thing. It involves going to a public place with new people that you can connect with and create relationships at different levels. Just because you really like a hobby and you spend your time doing it doesn't necessarily mean you will need to or have the opportunities to go out and meet new people.

[@angelemmanuelperezmuniz1474]

I can imagine the amount of women showing up to Yu-Gi-Oh or any trading card tournaments. Pottery doesn't sound so weird considering that is one of the best hobbies ever.

[@paperoverflow]

Why not get ballet class already? Hey, secret tip: Yoga... 😏...

[@TheNoMoreGamer]

Here’s how I noticed this works: 1. Invent good app 2. People use it 3. Have no competition so make a ton of predatory shit 4. Ruin your app 5. Competition comes around 6. People use it 7. Repeat steps 3-6 over and over again

[@wxrm]

The golden rules: Rule 1: Be attractive Rule 2: Don't be unattractive

[@MrSociofobs]

Bumble went backwards on their whole concept, because a bunch of women literally complained, that it's too hard for them to initiate conversations. Those usually being a single dot, or a "wave" emoji. The bare minimum characters required to send a message.

[@danielciesniewski7385]

The irony of women complaining about men's horrible initial pick up line or opening line and then to turn around and be just as awful😂

[@mkwsoxfan]

​@@danielciesniewski7385the increased irony of how poorly pick up lines are received in real life and then 99% of women on the apps asking for that to break the ice 😂

[@TheJoshd3000]

oh god, this is too accurate. I thought it was ironic at the laziness in most women's initial message being "Hey", but when i got hit with the "." by several women....I just couldn't fathom being that lazy or that entitled that they refuse to make the effort to even write "Hey"

[@TheSmokingCheddar]

@@TheJoshd3000 i am baffled. utterly and completely baffled. now, i have never been on these apps, i just find this subject interesting, and this is the first i am hearing of this. i couldnt imagine just someone sending a "." i would literally think it was a mistake and just delete the message. especially when the app is designed for the woman to initiate contact. you have my heart felt sympathies, all you guys do.

[@Volgrus]

@@mkwsoxfan Yes, and I get it, you have to set yourself apart but holy shit do I find pick up lines cringey af.

[@PixelSheep]

Well "3x the dates" actually checks out for my experience - 3 x 0 is still zero ^^ honestly I'm pretty sure online dating is pretty much a scam - especially if you are male

[@BaumisMagicalWorld]

It is. I compared with a lady friend who was also using the same apps. She had to pay nothing for everything I had to pay for. I needed to have a subscription or pay fees to unblur profiles, send a message, etc. It was honestly infuriating.

[@PixelSheep]

@@BaumisMagicalWorld thx for sharing! und grüße nach Österreich :D

[@BaumisMagicalWorld]

@@PixelSheep An schen Gruas zruck! ;)

[@Gladissims]

​@@BaumisMagicalWorld The reason women "get more for free" on dating apps is because... Women are less likely to be on dating apps to begin with. The ratio of users is skewed way more towards men than it is towards women, so in order to attract women there, the apps lower the barrier of entry. It's... Really dumb. Because the main reason women avoid dating apps is because they feel unsafe using them, and getting to do it for free isn't really going to change that.

[@BaumisMagicalWorld]

@@Gladissims I know the reasons why. That doesn't make it not unfair.

[@cassif19]

A successful relationship means two lost clients 😊

[@poxpower]

That logic applies to literally everything. Hey if you sell someone a car that doesn't explode within a day, you lose a client!!! Guess that means products that work don't exist.

[@C.W.C.]

most of the time only loss of one client because of the unequal numbers one of the clients is way less likely to pay for the service and for the other the opposite, more likely to pay, is true.

[@millerrepin4452]

that's only the case if the app is for finding a partner instead of a hookup. Weirdly enough a hookup app sounds like it would care more about matches being successful than a dating one.

[@fastinradfordable]

Nah the girls stay on it

[@HORNOMINATOR]

this is so precise i had to copy it

[@Sparkedbynatty]

500$ a month is diabolical. These prices are crazy!!

[@theedge00123]

People go on those apps with low self esteem and get demolished, then they get frustrated and full of resentement, it sucks... these apps suck

[@Brian-jv8iy]

Last year I went on more than 20 dates between March and May, some repeated. Some fun, some immediately felt disgusted. It was a good experience, definitely self esteem settling, won't say raising, but it did make you more confident, but not secure, just more open to see beauty in different personalities. I think it was cool. I don't really see any flaws there, it is time wasting in my opinion, but you can be lucky and meet someone perfect. I just always flirted and set up a date within the first or third line. It was foolproof and fun. Never had sex nor kissed, they wanted but I did not like in person anyone. Ok, I had one last in August, that one we spent a weekend together etc. but it is a good thing these apps if you go on them without expectations of them not working.

[@whiteglint7694]

​@@Brian-jv8iywtf. You must look like a god to go on 20 dates

[@thisfeatureissostupid]

@@whiteglint7694 and have tons of money and free time. even if youre going on a cheap date like $20 for a date (literally just 1 meal for yourself in this day and age), thats still $400 in dates that went nowhere and idk who has a job and time to go on 20 dates in 3 months, that would just be exhausting.

[@JCQUEVEDO7]

Tinder is easiest to use but it’s also the most infuriating. There are so many fake accounts and full of people who aren’t really looking to date

[@Valstrax420]

I went out on a date with a girl from tinder, took me over an hour to get to her city, payed for everything the whole time. Then during the movie, she was on her phone, literally got a better match appearance wise, and then after the movie, she made up a lie "my dad wants me home right away" and then left immediately, but I knew what it really was. Never used tinder since. Find real people who never use these. And for the record, I don't consider myself anywhere below a 7/10, tinder made me think I wasn't good enough.

[@prenomnom6203]

@@Valstrax420 you're nowhere close to a 7/10 if you accept to drive an hour for a movie date (what a terrible idea)

[@GrimAbstract]

@@prenomnom6203you don’t know that. Maybe there was traffic or his preferred theater is far?

[@ykonratev]

​@Valstrax420 yeah why would you ever do that lol doesn't even make any sense worst idea ever. Plus who makes a first date a movie what is even the point. And I agree the reality is youre not a 7/10. A 7 would have enough options not to drive an hour away lolol

[@badrequest5596]

drive 1 hour for a date: bad idea (unless you live in remote areas and have no choice) movie date: worse idea don't do movie dates for the first time. or night club dates. or loud bar dates. in theaters you can't talk so you can't get to know each other, just sit next to each other awkwardly. in loud places you also can't talk unless you shout and that gets very exhausting for both sides. do something either more relaxed like a picnic at the park or something more interactive. bowling is a good option, or playing darts, or throwing axes. board games, if she's into it. something gets you interacting with each other

[@literalcupoftea6299]

dude i love the style of your videos and how you make them. the amount of data and the absolute commitment to the bit for the data is amazing. I cant wait for your next video.

[@ZackarySmigel]

I appreciate that!

[@trystanfranziskus]

it's so funny that bumble is now just a normal dating app because a lot of women just don't wanna do the first move

[@jeffreychandler8418]

I mean, spend enough time as a guy on these apps and it becomes abundantly clear the women just aren't serious in any capacity, so it makes sense bumble would come to the same conclusions.

[@trystanfranziskus]

@@jeffreychandler8418 idk man i never spent much time on dating apps but my friends constantly have issues with them

[@Xaaaach]

For real. A lot of the time I lost matches because they never messaged me, despite liking me first lol. I literally cannot message them until they message me.

[@D3nn1s]

Fr, basically all matches i got were "Hey" or "😊". Like bruh. Funny thing is there was a bumble ad in front of the video

[@dominiciannucci5217]

For the small time that I was on Bumble, the average first message I got was "heyy"

[@clave7203]

I heard all that RuneScape music you used in this video. A true man of culture, I see.

[@klulu-kun]

15:29 A big detail was forgotten. Bumble also backpedaled on giving women the first say because hardly any women used that feature (women who like making the first move are a super small minority). Then they tried to monetize men who wanted to send compliments because there are always more men on dating apps than women. Men are their main money bags.

[@buckledben]

I figured out the algorithm back in 2020. I don’t know if they changed anything (I don’t use the app anymore). Tinder likes to use the same tactics as gambling sites only giving you just enough to stay hooked. What you want to do is be inactive for about a week. Then you’ll be receiving a lot more notifications because they want you to come back. Then when things slow down again stop using the app and repeat.

[@yvltc]

That was what I did during my time on tinder as well. I would wait for a week or two without opening the app until they got "desperate" and I started getting a few likes, swipe for a few days with no new likes and repeat.

[@aubinaps1427]

@@yvltc I think you aren't that desirable (on those apps)... I got one to 2 matches per day while I swap away 2/3 of the profiles... (like bikini and duck face biatch) I'm sure I'll have more match if I were to put my job salary - I make the 100k€, I'm 6.5/198

[@aljoschanoe4155]

What I also noticed, is that the last Girl on Tinder, where you cant swipe anymore, unless you pay is always really attractive. They actively Push the best looking Girls back so you pay for that last swipe.

[@usernameluis305]

@@aljoschanoe4155 yep they'll purposely put a girl you matched with as last and then you cant find her the next time

[@Skarrier]

​@@aljoschanoe4155Wow that's freaking inhuman. I have heard about many weird things various dating apps do, but this is the most obvious "using humans as trading goods" thing i ever heard of in those stories. They just sell you faces like items

[@benpace8860]

Met my wife online, but before the apps. It was actually the perfect time before it went into a complete mess.

[@HaveanOreshnik]

True 😢 I still miss my old friend though, she moved away but was such a weakling to tell her what I was feeling

[@singular9]

Same. Met my wife in an obscure super niche dating app. She was the first women I talked to and now happily married.

[@RangeGleasry]

Same

[@fatih.tavukcu]

My sister found her future husband on ms comic chat some 20yrs ago... Anything is possible😂

[@jumpinspood]

saaaame. met my wife online thru an art community. started as friends n just grew from there. we've been happily married for almost 10 years now. time flies by fast when you marry your best friend. 🥰

[@hcim]

the effort in these videos are insane

[@slozenger9000]

I mean, he tried HingeX for a week... I would have hoped for at least 4 weeks for any reasonable data.

[@VictoryAviation]

And greatly appreciated.

[@youngmachine]

he came out of the rev caves for this one...

[@IINemz]

im sure he apricated the osrs music

[@Hawtload]

weird how I allegedly have 30 people who liked my profile, but the app refuses to show their profiles to me in my feed.

[@martindrengenxbox360]

This

[@yougotawarrant]

I wonder if it is people who liked you outside of your area when you were traveling.

[@lucidx2]

Gotta pay for that 😂😂

[@KirkpatrickSounds]

Mostly bots and scam artists

[@merlinfanboy556]

Just want to say that it was totally unnecessary for you to talk outside while it was snowing instead of sitting in a desk chair, yet I appreciate it a lot. It's very refreshing!

[@clintonwilcox4690]

The ability to essentially design your perfect match has caused people to not understand how to make compromises. You might be able to check a box that says "pet friendly" on your profile, but it might be there's someone out there more compatible for you who doesn't like pets but because they love you, might be willing to tolerate having pets just because they make you happy. We've gotten so individualized that our wants and desires come before the good for a whole unit, such as a family, and we can't compromise anymore because we can just tell a computer what we're looking for in a mate and refuse to settle for someone who doesn't check all of our boxes.

[@lonestarr1490]

It goes even further than that, because it's not just in the profile but also in how we filter out the offers. Many women get so many likes on these apps that some sort of sieving algorithm becomes necessary just to handle the sheer amount. Hence, aspects that are virtually on no one's priority list suddenly become important. Every little flaw can get you dismissed, just because they have to dismiss so many. It basically degenerated into the very same process you go through when applying for a job.

[@xninja2369]

I 💯 agree you , it's about compromise , responsibility , trust & balanced from both side..

[@CenturionTheodore]

Replace people with modern broads in the west. Studies show that men are more classical and traditional than the modern empowered ones. Men just want a broad that is fit, friendly, fertile, and feminine. Whereas broads want the 666 with maxed out stats. Plenty of men are willing to settle or compromise.

[@jnero8141]

100% agree with this. The amount of straight demands I see on profiles is wild. All the while they aren't explaining what's really important to them, or their future. Just completely unwilling to compromise on anything.

[@hi__im_zack4890]

Yes, although I think it goes beyond people not compromising, but rather the app pushing you to not compromise. I feel like dating apps push you to be a worse more shallow person. If you were to try to establish a real connection with everyone you come across then you would quickly burn out. So the only option is seemingly to be shallow. This is true for men and not just women. On hinge you have the option to write a meaningful or thought full response to something someone had on their profile or to just swipe no because one of their numbers was a little off. It just made sense to save my effort for the profile with the better meaningless numbers.

[@himothaniel]

Dating apps be like "we do not manipulate the numbers" and also "pay us money to manipulate the numbers in your favor"

[@creepstine5316]

The idea of paying to use a dating app for "better" or more matches is insane.

[@PhotoJeticPoet]

Men. Then they are confused as to why they are getting fake women. They don't like normal real women.

[@oliviacarter1517]

Bro look at these stats- it’s paying for matches period. It’s abysmal out there on these apps for most average men.

[@creepstine5316]

@@oliviacarter1517 That's true. Still I feel like people in general assume that they will get better matches by paying for more swipes or whatever. Kinda like increasing your odds by throwing out more lines. Actually that is literally what it is.

[@marklouis1890]

My thoughts exactly

[@8EnigmaVirus8]

So I used tinder when it first came out, the daily swipe limit was much more generous (I'm not even sure there was a cap?), there were barely any bots, no ads, and you could realistically get decent likes/matches as a man if you were at least slightly above average. I think I averaged between 2-5 matches a week at the time, and 1-2 of those would lead to a date. I just reinstalled it a few days ago to try to find dates on my winter vacation day one I got 8 likes, of those likes 5 led to matches, of those 5, 3 were bot/romance scammer accounts and 2 have not replied to a message. Day 2 I only got 2 likes neither of whom I was attracted to, day 3-5 none. I made the mistake of buying a tinder gold sub to use passport mode to set my location to my vacation destination, which after further reading realized was the one intended for women, and that men are supposed to get platinum. But one thing I noticed on day 2 is that Tinder ELO is definitely a very real thing, the women I see at the start of a swiping session are mostly attractive and I have a like rate of somewhere between 20-50%, then matches degrade slowly, and the last 100-200 before you run out of people to swipe on are all either fat, black or fat and black. (sorry black ladies, but if the old OK-cupid data is anything to go off of they have the worst rates for receiving messages/likes/matches) Tinder's ELO ranking for who shows up at the top of the stack goes: Actively using a boost -> Platinum (for women you liked only)-> gold/boost/free (liked profiles) -> platinum/gold/boost/free (no like), with each tier having its own ELO breakdown most attractive/most liked at the top and least attractive/liked at the bottom. If you are a man with middling tinder ELO or lower and are not actively using a boost or platinum you won't show up in the stacks for any women using tinder free before they run out of daily likes, making your already shit odds of matching just that much worse. I'm not positive on this, but i believe women get 50-100 free likes a day, and men get 25-50, if you are in a major metro area there are simply too many men you are competing with who are either boosting or using platinum. To make these plans viable tinder basically just removed the functionality from the app and breadcrumbed it back in, the only thing that has never been a free feature was the ability to see who liked you.

[@TK1129]

Actually met my wife on bumble and now we have 2 kids. Happily married. Back before it was a commercialized cesspool.

[@manilovefrogs7117]

I feel youI met my boyfriend on Hinge and while we’re still a rather new couple (under a year together officially) things are going great and we both see a future with one another.

[@captainwhitebelly88]

I spent 20$ on tinder just to experience 1.5 year of headache and arguments

[@n3rdst0rm]

Atleast it was 18+ years

[@ryanmclean2394]

No way! I replied to one of your comments on Reddit a few months ago asking for a video on this topic and your delivered 😮 Great video and analytics on the topic!

[@gecko2000405]

Yeah, those 'extra' matches are bots. You got seven matches out of 53k. This is why men don't use dating apps.

[@jimothyspeed7858]

Some men* the ratio is still 4 men for every woman on dating apps it’s insane. Technology has destroyed human connection it advanced too fast and companies saw sinister ways to make billions and we are dealing with the consequences whether we like it or not

[@marianpe5773]

Just be Chad and you get 40k

[@beasteast9421]

I think men in general need to stop using these apps.

[@usernameluis305]

for everyone one real profile i swiped on there was like 10 fake profiles

[@Moonlightatnight2]

​@@marianpe5773You're right, bro. Screw dating and start painting 40k minis

[@ThksForTheVenom]

Typically I watch longer form content to relax/fall asleep. However there's something so special in seeing local landscapes, neighborhoods, (photos from the SV mall!!), and even the weather in your videos that energizes me. It's so cool to see someone here creating and doing what you do. Thanks for sharing our part of western PA with the world!

[@joeconti2396]

It's absolutely wild to me. In the Sheetz one I swear I saw Combine Bros n freaked out

[@MrPeaceANDchicken]

Ok so basically after spending hundreds of dollars on these apps the only outcome is decent friendships but no romantic partners. This video cements what I already know, dating apps are bullshit.

[@wizardadmin]

I really doubt he got friendships 😅 Friendzoned - sure Actual friendships - hell no 😂

[@AnonAtry]

Love the use of RS music throughout

[@whimsicalwitchh]

I'm really freaking out about the difference between men and women, him saying that he got an average of 3 matches a month on Tinder has left me speechless. It's really a shame that they take advantage of guys in this way...

[@Snerdles]

If you really sit down and analyze society across nearly every situation it mirrors this taking advantage of men. Taxes? Men pay more, women collect more benefits. Car Insurance? Men pay more, women cost more. Health insurance? In collective agreements everyone pays the same, women use far more so transfers resources from men to women. Basically, men are treated like work oxen for "society" (which is basically just women's needs) and if the men don't produce they are tossed aside.

[@Michael-iq1nq]

Lol do you get 100 in a day?

[@PhillyCh3zSt3ak]

Guy's gotten more than I've ever gotten. Stopped shortly after 2021 because during 2020 they opened most of the features for free for people to talk which was nice considering what was going on. Before and after that, I think I only matched with 3 people. Mind you, I was on there for about 4 years prior. Less than a match per year. Depressing (which is why I stopped using it).

[@whimsicalwitchh]

@Michael-iq1nq a 100 likes? Hmmm, quite possible on a good day (the day I installed the app, for example). But matches I don't really remember... I think it could easily be 5 or so on a regular day 🤔

[@Chaotic_H3LL]

@Michael-iq1nq my female friend literally has an average of 50 likes a DAY. Within her first month my friend and i worked out she had over 1000 likes

[@Risu1177]

The joys of dating apps where maybe 2 companies own all of them. Also Hot or Not, man that takes me back.

[@artbygilik]

Haha I accidentally met my now ex husband on hot or not. My friend made me sign up as a joke

[@wolfzmusic9706]

​@@artbygilikmy brother met his gf on there lol, but they didn't date until years later

[@zuthalron7123]

Single? With that haircut? You must be lying.

[@pinobluevogel6458]

That man should do hairproduct commercials, it's insane how wavy and fresh it looks.

[@_anj_]

REAL

[@ReptarsaurusRex]

IKR! He needs to make tutorials so the long-haired men in my town can take notes 😁

[@de132]

He's cute and smart, I'm surprised he's single

[@johnpminis]

It's a super niche look. Combine that with his low-effort fashion sense i'm not surprised most women won't go for it. Plus he's probably swiping on 8s and 9s when he's a 5 or 6 himself

[@keystonerecords4541]

this is fascinating stuff, Zackary! please keep up your research and never get discouraged, as you are tackling issues that are underrepresented yet significant.

[@k7l3rr]

Love this video, made me realize how dating apps aint it for finding connections. You gotta put yourself out there and actually go talk to people for finding what you want.

[@ukeleleguitar2087]

I expected you to have 1mil+ subs just by the sheer quality of this video, and was so surprised to see it’s a smaller channel. You’ve definitely got my subscription and I can’t wait to see the inevitable growth of your channel if all of your videos continue to be this incredible!!

[@osheroth]

In case anyone is wondering, having 10-30 matches won't be any better unless you specifically, *unequivocally* are there to bang and only for that. Sure, you'll get the inevitable serotonin rise of seeing how many people found you attractive...but that's about it, it's still strangers of whom you have no frame of reference on whatsoever.

[@pinobluevogel6458]

So true, it is an unnatural process. Also, if I you don't know someone, how would you trust them in your bed to begin with? I mean, I'm not completely against hooking up before marriage or something, but you at least should know who the person is before going anywhere near that stage. For all I know she could steal your stuff, key up your car or you end up in jail for something she did.

[@Sunshineattacks3]

It takes all the fun out of finding someone. Slowly getting to know someone., figuring out you like them, and then finding out they like you back is really important and fun part that the dating apps completely take away

[@masaharumorimoto4761]

Back in the mid 2010s online dating before apps I was shocked at how easily I was invited into people's homes, after 1 walk and talk girls were more than willing to invite you over to bang, it was what made me decide to abstain for a LONG time.

[@WoRMaSTeR64]

@@pinobluevogel6458 How exactly does using a dating app make it unnatural? You need to do that and worry about that no matter where you meet them. Even if you are married they can still steal your stuff and key up your car even if admittedly is it more unlikely. Also for the OP in the modern day banging is what leads to more meaningful relationships. To me finding out if you are a match in the bedroom is one of the prerequisite things for me to start investing more serious time into a potential partner.

[@DefaultProphet]

@@Sunshineattacks3Extremely not true in my experience. Spent a long time just messaging back and forth on OKC before even going on a date.

[@glennpalmer5327]

Could never do something like this. Using those apps for even just a month makes me super fuckin depressed.

[@HUYI1]

Tell me about it, I find them vile now, I will never install them again for numerous reasons, no one is looking for anything serious it's just a cespit of pervs and degens 😡

[@dillongarner1]

Same. Dating apps made me suicidal for a few years

[@lennylink8772]

Physically fit with muscle, haircut, fashion... You have less than a second for them to look.

[@ronstallings3156]

DUDE ! You are so right​ !@@dillongarner1

[@fastinradfordable]

@@lennylink8772I’m a 6’+ In perfect shape. (Won a marathon in California) Top 5% earner in my field. 35yo And I have not got a single match that wasn’t obese. It’s insane how a literal obese woman is the only one who feels a perfect male specimen is on their level. I haven’t had a girlfriend since 2018

[@DrMD-1]

I’ve had been using all these dating apps for over 10 years. I’ve had 0 dates, even from purchasing membership.

[@Mr.Ciobanu]

that's just crazy

[@Arelath]

That's wild, sorry to hear that.

[@pmason6076]

"I actually got approved to give Tinder $499" Color me surprised! 😂

[@franklinturtle9849]

The more you swipe right. The more the algorithm will screw you. Because the algorithm measures "Desperation". The higher the ratio of your right swipes to left swipes the less friendly the algorithm is to pushing you. To get the algorithm in your favor you want to swipe left at least 10 times for every right swipe. Because the algorithm will think you are "Picky" and people are only "Picky" when they "Have a lot of options" and if you show yourself as having a lot of options then they value you higher.

[@aj7058]

It's not just randomly measuring desperation. Men who swipe right on everyone then "take their pick" of matches ruin the entire premise and point and makes women avoid the apps that those men use. The algorithms were changed to be this way to try and account for such shitty behaviour.

[@wordlesolve]

can personally state I swipe right very rarely on all of them because quality is all I'm concerned with and specifically quality of personality shown on the profile. I still receive very few likes and I can say for certain my profile is geared specifically to grab the attention of someone very similar to me. I wish I could say my behavior caused the algorithm to try and "win me over" in some way by me being pickier but it doesn't seem that way. I also wish others created their profiles with the same intention that I do but I don't think my experience has been all that different from the average user's experience regardless of my approach. Anecdotal, obviously.

[@RascanThe6th]

​@@aj7058 shitty behavior? oh man, why does this hot take remind me of big companies shaming customers about things like recycling? There's some real shitty behavior when a dating site overvalues the hell out of their product and has zero transparency. It's not suprising that a percentage of the user-base recognizes that, and decides to use it as a glorified slot-machine or cookie-clicker.

[@aj7058]

@RascanThe6th yeah shitty behaviour.

[@RascanThe6th]

@@aj7058 A perfect venue for it, then.

[@smithsmithy7149]

Dude! Your channel rules and it's cool seeing you tackle the crazy issue of online dating.

[@BaumisMagicalWorld]

There was a time when I was using dating apps. Turns out, they are really bad for mental health and just distort your own self-image in a negative way. I even used lady friends to tune my profile to make it more appealing, and it still didn't work out. I'm a little over 5'9", but that not being ≥6' apparently matters more to them than getting along really well. Such a dumb thing that I can observe IRL as well, with women who are half an inch shorter, same height or half an inch taller. Like, no wonder you are still single if what matters most to you is that your man is a giant, lol. Really destructive mindset.

[@backupacct]

That's why they're all sharing the same guys and don't get into real relationships, let alone marriage. And then they blame all men for being jerks.

[@thegoldenflare3199]

Yeah it ain’t just cause you’re a “short” king my man, I’m 6’1 and still don’t get matches more than like once a month. The problem runs much deeper than stuff that simple, don’t let anyone make you cynical like that when it’s the degradation of human connection overall fucking us all over

[@Gladissims]

As a certified woman™, and this is just my own personal mindset, so don't take it as me speaking for all women... I literally could not care less about a man's height. Or well, that's not entirely true. I find very large, "hyper masculine" men intimidating, and not in a good way, but in a - "they make me feel unsafe" kind of way. It's no fault of theirs. They can't help the fact that they're massive any more than you can help your height. And if they have an extremely sweet and soft personality to go along with that tall and burly statuere, maybe I'd feel less intimidated. But overall my personal preference is someone who is my own height, shorter or just a little bit taller. Or if they're very tall, I prefer them to be slender over burly and muscular. So no, not all women desire a tall man. My mom is taller than my dad and it has never been an issue. Though yeah, good on you for getting off the dating apps. They really aren't very good. I've tried them myself and it never leads anywhere. Also always feels very forced and shallow.

[@BaumisMagicalWorld]

@@Gladissims You really are in the vast minority. Even in my circle of female friends, I've heard more than once: "He's really cute, but... he's a little short.", and they are not what I'd consider bad people. They still gave it a shot anyway, but that this is even something important to consider is just baffling to me. When I think about physical attraction, I think about the face first, height is like very last. And it really is something I was only able to observe with women. It just never comes up once in men's conversations. Well, aside from complaining about it in this context.

[@BaumisMagicalWorld]

@@Relhio Your comment is misplaced, my guy. It is not a matter of unattractiveness.

[@kuzminovartem6060]

29:07 instructions unclear, lost my house on a roulette spin

[@ChocolateFishBrains]

This is the first video of yours that I've encountered and it's so well done that now I want to check out the rest of your channel. I appreciate that you laid out all the facts and presented the information separately from your own opinion and conclusion.

[@Scottacon]

0:40 brilliant scriptwriting

[@jessip8654]

Women definitely get a lot more matches, likely because there's something like 1 woman for every 4-6 men on the apps, but those men are often... questionable. As they say, using dating apps is like dying of thirst, but men are trapped in a desert while women are trapped in a swamp.

[@christiangutierrez9765]

replace swamp with island in the middle of the ocean, and i think your analogy still works

[@deliocache2528]

swamp because there's water but it's questionable?

[@Warmolt48]

Well put

[@marklouis1890]

It's even worse for man on man dating (my experience)

[@unluckygamer692]

I think it is more accurate to say women are trapped in a swamp, while men are trapped in a desert with only swamp oasis.

[@shravansukumar]

I really loved the conclusion bit. Once in a while we get so caught up with life, we actually forget to explore life and take risks. This was a good reminder and I thank you for the video. Great research and honest disclosure all along the way.

[@xSling0x]

You’ve gotten a sub from me because simply the quality and honestly, the RuneScape music got me hahaha

[@7rich79]

What would be an interesting followup is to have two different profiles on the same app. If there is truly an algorithm that is better than pure randomness, and how quickly (if at all) it got flagged

[@channeltosharevideos]

You forgot to try Grindr 😔

[@Desiludildo]

Grindr is a hook up app not a dating one. Even if it claims to be.

[@embo_5787]

@@Desiludildolike tINDR is for straight people??

[@nijucow]

Grindr doesn't have swipes, you can message whoever you want as long as he's close

[@taurengraybeard218]

​@@Desiludildo tinder is also a hookup app

[@arealious25]

😂

[@gurunext]

Runescape music Reminds me how many times you need to swipe to get enough Iron Ore to feel real love

[@TioMogi]

RuneScape is less grinding than modern day dating via apps LMAO

[@BeastBeatsYGO]

Literally mined over 100K iron ore in f2p and smithed to a rune axe. That fact will surely drown me in matches

[@JaredVeale]

Lol I was playing Runescape when I started watching this video and I was so confused because I had the music turned off in game

[@eggshells652]

i love more people using the music tracks of runescape without having to worry about getting dmca warning. runescape has a great ost 😍

[@WindrunnerWolf]

I've only ever had luck with friends of friends or approaching people in public. Dating apps are wayyyy too hookup centric.

[@bpric13]

The numbers don't lie. Dating apps are absolutely useless for men because women just are not on there

[@malice-SB]

The suit in your profile is adorable

[@Blue_Blaze72]

Honestly giving this a like for the sole fact that you used OSRS music in it. Appreciate the perspective as well!

[@willsworldrs7082]

So Leagues has started in RuneScape, and I normally play with sounds off unless I'm PvMing. I was SO confused as to what I was hearing until I realized the music you have quietly playing in the background. Lol great vid thanks

[@jennaredfield]

Paying for high quality photos and a stylist is a better use of your money! I really think it's all about the photos than anything

[@taridean]

Only for a portion of people to swipe past you thinking it's a catfishing or scam profile that's using stock images. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@lonestarr1490]

But it should be multiply shootings, right? Like, with Bumble and Hinge for instance you have to upload 5 or 6 pictures, and they surely cannot all have the same background!

[@tack3545]

It’s more about your height, your physique, your skin color, and how your face looks than anything

[@martindrengenxbox360]

​@tack3545 Don't forget having an expensive car and house.

[@Akahigep]

A message from someone who actually meet his wife without paying a cent through Tinder. Don't pay for this, pls. If these apps just became this bad, don't use them

[@vocaloidhoe2238]

i met my husband on there too, using the free version. it took 2 months

[@wolfzmusic9706]

​@vocaloidhoe2238 been using Bumble and hinge since may and no luck :(. I've met nice people on there, made good connections, but in my experience it's so hard to find someone where it's all mutual

[@Nightcall.]

I think the craziest part of all of this is that a handful of apps/companies were allowed to roll in, restructure, monetize, and obviously harm the dating process without our consent.

[@Taima]

Capitalism, baby!

[@Gio-pb5rm]

I met my wife on bumble and it feels like dumb luck. Using dating apps as a male in a large city is an absolutely miserable experience. Ended up working for me but I feel like that an outlier

[@luisminero6747]

love the runescape music in the background! leagues 5 camping currently

[@SuchaSofterSin2143]

You a real one. Props to showing your data. Always appreciate how in depth you go in theae videos thanks man. Wishing you the best ❤

[@oops6876]

Tbh, strangely enough, I’ve had the most interactions and friendships made by using FB dating. It’s free, there’s no limitations, and there’s a friendship option to avoid the incentive to force awkward dialogue. It’s pretty neat!

[@martindrengenxbox360]

Until you post something on facebook that they don't like, give you a temporary ban from Facebook and then bar you from the dating feature.

[@oops6876]

@ good thing I don’t post on FB, I guess 🤷‍♂️

[@oops6876]

@ which is shocking I haven’t been shut down because my last post was about CEOs and landlords going the way of the dodo

[@adamgould1427]

I really wish you would’ve shown us your profile because I feel like that is a massive proponent on having success or not having success. for example if you have professionally done photos at a studio versus a bathroom mirror selfie, you’re going to get much higher increase of likes

[@JordonSargisson]

I don't think you need studio shots but you definitely need to continuously be working on your profile. The number of likes and matches he's getting is crazy low, which tells me something is wrong with his profile.

[@DragyxCZ]

You shouldnt need a studio level photos to find some matches or get a date through a dating app. He's making this video as an average dude and he plays the role of an standard guy at this app.

[@rachelrodriguez8186]

Professionally done photos scream catfish.

[@jeffreychandler8418]

@@JordonSargisson crazy low?! in what fucking way? He seemed average if not above average.

[@JumpinJoe]

​@@JordonSargissonIdk man. Seems about right for an average guy

[@SlashinatorZ]

I've deleted Tinder 3 times in the past 7 years & am done with scummy dating apps. But how do I meet girls in person when I live in the Houston countryside? Theres no 3rd places here & everything is so freaking spread out I HAVE to have a car. Everyone's old af so there's very few girls under 40 to be seen. Any activities outside of driving, shopping, dining & auto repairs are completely alien to us so don't bring up anything to do with meetups or clubs. And I'm far too poor to move out of my parents house.

[@danielskiba6705]

Go to cities do pickup

[@SlashinatorZ]

@danielskiba6705 inner Houston is an hour from me

[@zacharyfreese7758]

Well done! It was scripted phenomenally and your message was conveyed concisely. This is a master piece.

[@regalx1]

These apps are literally evil. From what you said, with your data, ELO score ,as well as their database, they can easily just match you with people who share maximum common values. But instead of using their model to introduce you to your true love, the App extorts both men and women's data Disney villain style for "extra attempts" to finally access each other.

[@DoctorZombo]

They're not Pay-to-Win, they are Pay-to-Lose-a-Tiny-Bit-Less

[@wizardadmin]

It depends on your sex, women in comparison get ego boost, validation, free diners and many actually find relationships there

[@AbubakarAlmultani]

LOVE HOW YOU MAKE THESE EDU DOCRMENTARIES IN NATURE INSTEAD OF IN YOUR ROOM WITH A GREEN SCREEN

[@nathanz128]

Did anyone else get a hinge ad like immediately before his hinge section?! Spoopy

[@Kayvonix]

The best part about this video is the RuneScape music in the background

[@AlvinBrinson]

Not even going to mention the problem with fake profiles, catfishing, etc.

[@ZackarySmigel]

I did mention bots in the tinder section! Didn't notice it on any other apps tbh.

[@zaleost]

As a hinge user in the UK I’ve definitely seen a lot of fake profiles. Sadly the biggest give away, aside from oddities in their profile is that they are way more talkative than actual people.

[@seanbaby1060]

Hinge has the same issue but instead of scammers at least in LA where I live it’s hella escorts trying to get you to buy their “services”

[@jeffreychandler8418]

@@ZackarySmigel in hinge it's relatively common to run into full blown scammers, but not many other bots

[@iTzDritte]

1:21 Where my Age of Empires homies at? 😂 Bravo!

[@BlueSkiesAreGrey]

Hold up

[@OGHumorBot]

Bruh, that’s Old School RuneScape 😂😂😂

[@VONNETAPSAK]

Roggan

[@badgertooth12]

@@OGHumorBot It is definitely the military unit spawning sound in AOE2, but I don't doubt you that it was also used in Runescape--it's likely a stock sound. For example... the kobold death sound from Warcraft 3 is also used in the movie Nacho Libre. The same handful of bear noises are used across many games too lol.

[@walkerhall9243]

He’s playing the sotl background music too

[@thepopeofpineapples6275]

"and which app, if any, give you the best bang for your buck" well played.

[@loganlane]

Couldn't believe this wasn't the top comment 😂

[@MayDawn519]

My experience with dating apps is like, 20 matches first week, then a big drop off to 0-1 matches a week

[@Just4Universe]

I got a bumble ad right before this video played. Great comedic timing KZbin, touché

[@bear_jaws]

The reason you aren't able to get a consistent price across users is due to how dating apps price "dynamically" aka based on "user attributes". The worst example of this was Tinder who used to just outright charge people who were over 30 years old DOUBLE what they charged other users. My guess is now days they use seasonal and user attributes, e.g. when people are more lonely (winter) they charge more, users on iPhones get charged more due to potentially having more money.

[@LegendFromWoW]

Being pay-walled from love sucks. Been single over a decade and stopped trying after that point. I accept the things I cannot change and focus on the things I can. Maybe someday a single lady will exist who wants to chat and we get to know each other over time. But I'm not actively seeking that, it's more of something that'll just happen to cross my path in life if it ever does.

[@ylondes9927]

Some say that's a good idea, some say that it isn't. Just do what's right for you. Life always works out differently than you think anyway

[@lonestarr1490]

​@@ylondes9927 And I'd say it depends. On many things, actually, but mostly on whether they're actually leaving their house. If you don't do that, you're all but guaranteed to never meet anyone.

[@ji1046]

People that could have been your partner are busy circulating the top portion of men among themselves...

[@damiansconberg4715]

I feel like dating apps have also monopolized dating in a way that has made people less open to organic interactions in their day to day activities because they feel they have an allocated time later to spend swiping on tinder

[@Airdown]

I remember when I had hope for the apps. I'm an introvert with no connections, so I hoped that the internet would connect me to something genuine. I've been through most of them, and in total I think i've had maybe 4 conversations over the years. It may be bias, as I have little money, I'm not attractive and I'm not a "Man's Man," but I still feel like they've done more harm than good. They took what was a guy searching hopefully for a lady that cared about heart over wallets & looks, then told me that my lack of such meant I was pathetic and that literally no good woman would ever want me. It was so demoralizing that to this day I don't have hope that I'll ever find a soulmate to share my whole life with. I've been too late getting off the ground, so I've missed the train for the American Dream. That's all that dating apps did for me.

[@tompickstone690]

I appreciate your shout out about Karaoke Zack!

[@dylanbartlett5171]

As soon as you said: “… could guarantee Modern Baseball will get back together…” I hit like.

[@MB832]

New viiiid leeettts goooo!

[@elpusegato]

I recently noticed I get slight headaches when I eat bread. Maybe I should get on the gluten free app 🍞 😆

[@ZackarySmigel]

Let me know how it goes

[@joshliam1967]

The conclusion at the end was what I expected but I appreciated all the data you showed to get us there, great video. Subscribing!

[@ferntreemusic]

During the online dating boom of 2014-2018, I actually somehow had more success on World of Warcraft

[@Sevenpuddingsx]

It's anecdotal but I absolutely had an easier time finding dates when I paid more for tinder premium. I had more exposure, got a wider variety of types of people, and got over a HUNDRED messages in one night. And I'm not, like, humble bragging or whatever, cause when I didn't pay for premium I didn't get a single hit in a few days.

[@somethingsomething404]

Time of year seems to have an effect too. Best time seems to be toward the end of summer

[@siyano]

but how can you say its was "easier"? paying doesnt give you anything other than seeing more people

[@Patrick_Bateman92]

These types of posts are funny. It's like saying "I got rich by buying a lottery ticket" I don't know why people offer these anecdotes.

[@crazyrr144]

Found the shill

[@jimothyspeed7858]

Bro all my options were women that needed to be saved, I learned the hard way you can’t save them and they’re really just wolves in sheep’s clothing

[@wkeezz]

10:17 remember guys if you times anything by zero, you still get zero :p

[@TheBobplayer]

All I’m taking away is that all these apps are a compete money pit

[@Texelion]

$40 per month ? I think it's the price of an Evil Angel subscription. A friend told me.