Zak George Goes Scorched Earth on Innocent lil Joel Beckman on IG. Will Beckman Survive the Fallout?

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[@rptrick79]

*THE STAMPS OF TIME* *In an effort to keep to my new years resolution of being more tamped down (after listening to ZG YT videos this is the result) I have succumbed to the word police.* *1st Disclaimer: this will likely only last a week like most resolutions.* *2nd Disclaimer: high levels of Sarcasm ahead* 0:05 -#34 Bo Jackson 0:39-breaking down the Malinois dominance video and Zak's talking in circles comment. (*Total clickbait! that dude couldn't go scorched earth if he were going to lose all of his subs*) 5:14 - the Stevie Wonders 5:28 - Joel agrees with ZG...kinda. 8:49 - *Hey! Make us BIG!* 9:10 -little prison Guy/Joel has lived in prison in Florida. 11:14 - prison doesn't exist neither does dominance 27:08 - Machismo and *BALLS* answering Zak's questions about them because he just can't grasp them 31:17 - Rival dog gangs and their effects on society and human culture 33:16 - The Word PO-PO .go wrestling with a Cane Corso at it house and you'll believe in dominance (debunking the word usage) 35:43 -IG comments 40:18 - putting trainers on the reinforcement spectrum 41:56- *molesting Eric's face to suppress dominant behavior* 44:58 - how to mail an aggressive Malinois 46:57 -The Trainers Draft 5-on-5 50:37 - extending the olive branch 55:28 - Joel and Eric love the POD. Aaaaawwwee so sweet guys. 58:47 - Eric cuts a promo 😂 1:00:12 - *Zak George* .....Flat earther 1:00:58 - Joel throwing out the shark bait.😂😂 (He's gonna need a feel for this for sure or he may end up like Christine) 1:05:10 - Horn in the Arse running with the bulls 1:06:15 -commemts 1:08:45 - As the world turns 1:11:41 - doing anything for a sponsorship 1:16:36 - Ben *AFFLACK* ( 🦆) saves the 🌎 1:20:00- more comments and responses to some 1:23:30 - "smelling butts is the greatest thing ever" 1:30:31 - Oprah gets in trouble with a burger 1:31:57 - the apology segment (Highly inaccurate info above)

[@stevec9972]

Funny. Thanks for the effort

[@UNDERDOGMMA]

Great time stamps rpatrick!

[@rptrick79]

@@UNDERDOGMMA why thank you..very much appreciated but first we must understand the socioeconomic background of the people that make these behaviors possible in the first place. Then as a whole community of like minded individuals be able to understand the meaning of "funny" then we'll better able to understand what makes things funny. Instead of just using the word loosely and not understanding it in its entire context . Respectfully, gratefully, regretfully, truthynessly yours. Rptrick (dog trainer extraordinaire cphdxyz)

[@delilahdelaney]

Thank u

[@silverkiss37]

​@@rptrick79That was amazing.

[@Musiclover-uo2oi]

As a dog owner for over 40 years I can absolutely attest to the fact that there is a hierarchy between dogs. Some instinctively pick up on weakness and exploit that, either with another dog or the owner. Whether you call it dominance, or something else, it absolutely exists. They are all born with breed specific instincts, and their own personalities. What’s most important is that all the dogs in the family recognize you as their leader and boss. In a loving but firm way. As always, Joel is absolutely right in his approach. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦👍

[@nichtschoenaberselten]

Opportunism is what it is. And dogs are very opportunistic.

[@rugeramerican308]

I have a great example. I used to always bring my dog in for lunch time at work. Evveryone knew him and he always relaxed on the carpet. Except when one person was having lunch with us. She was afraid of dogs, but didnt mind me bringing me dog in, and she stayed pretty calm around him. My dog noticed she was nervous around him immediatly! wouldnt leave her alone and gave me a hard time as well. After a little when she started to trust him and learned what to do when he approached her, it all went away

[@terridavis9278]

@@rugeramerican308 Lunch bully. Hahahaha. Great example.

[@Spratthoken]

Another example, my mom and niece visited while my dog was about 8 months old. My mom has had many sorts of animals and has a no BS attitude. My dog became a complete suck-up towards her, seeking approval. My niece being younger and less experienced, my dog tried to take advantage of, begging for food, trying to provoke play all the time etc.. There's a hierarchy and they do crave approval if you are a firm but loving owner. (Of course part of this is to socialize your dog to act acceptable around insecure people/animals)

[@weedhigh2564]

@@rugeramerican308 I have 2 rottie labs, the older one is an angel in canine form, unless you are an agent of the devil ( thus a squirrel or lizzard) she loves everyone equally and has 0 cares in the world. The younger one Is kind of the opposite, she still loves people but she knows how to use her attributes to get what she wants so she has no qualms in terorizing adults for stuff she wants from them be it food play what have you. She never does that to children and elderly people, only with adults. So, a friend of mine is terrified of dogs but he comes once a week by to play cards and she knew it right away and from day one, while she was still a puppy, she would bark and growl at him so he gave her food, he was her couch, she would herd him and terorize him when she grew up. So one day he asked me if we can do something about that and we tried next time a few things but it didnt help, she would still pick on him. So, some more time passed we met a few more times and then one day we figured her out, she is an asshole and loves to terorize people she sees as easy targets and enjoys it very much. She is simply an asshole Like that but funny thing is she is not like that with children or old people ever and she is usually very kind and gentle with them, only very specific people seem to set her asshole mode off and she goes all out

[@jordanlevitt6639]

What you will never see is Zak George successfully dealing with a dog like that Malinois. In fact at one time he tried to train a mildly difficult GSD, and he simply could not deal with the dog. Further, his own dog has terrible recall, despite that dog is a border collie which is one of the easiest breeds to train.

[@Nil-tz6gy]

Border collies are smart enough to be manipulative, it's the downside to the same intelligence that makes them so trainable - If it's like that, then it probably learned it didn't have to listen to him because there wouldn't be consequences.

[@guiltybyassociation1764]

i watched that one with the GSD and was pulling my hair out, that was by no means a difficult GSD (Mira i believe her name) she was still a puppy. and in the 2 weeks he had her he didn't manage to do anything with her dog reactivity but made out like she was loads better. He delusional

[@chelsealee6349]

He is such a joke. He has built up this little castle around using positive only. He can’t move beyond that castle like Joel (who knows that isn’t possible) is bc I don’t think Zak really understands dogs. It’s so absurd how he & others constantly use the words “outdated” approach as if Joel & other trainers are straight up abusing dogs. He just simply is ABSOLUTELY *NOT* abusing any dog in any way. The proof is in the pudding & Zak’s pudding is watery & maybe moldy lol

[@FluffyDog303]

The Moira videos! He talked about how much progress he made with Moira , while the video showed the exact opposite. Zak is a great puppy trainer from pet store……. Nothing more.

[@aussieoutbackfarm]

Oh yes the Moria videos. Thank you. Although Moira wasn't his dog, that was still a very interesting series. There was some very good things in that series, but the leash reactivity in particular was terrible.@@FluffyDog303

[@ThisIsQuarty]

"In this video I will use a hammer to insert this nail into this piece of wood." Zak George: "It's concerning to see the persistent outdated views that every problem must be solved with a hammer. While I acknowledge that certain fasteners, such as nails, may be best served with a hammer. It's crucial to differentiate this from other objects such as screws or staples." Cheers Zak, good job buddy.

[@frenchchat]

Hahahahahaha

[@LillyMarz777]

😂

[@JCH2768]

You figured it out. That IG post was just a bunch of gobbledygook.

[@rptrick79]

That was great! LMAO

[@Lil_Kumquat]

😂😂

[@Krapvag]

"compassionate effective dog training" = "you have to put your dog down, it is not safe to take on a walk or socialise"

[@nancymesek]

I’m not a professional dog trainer but even I can see that it was severe dominance @4.13. Look at the ears and eye contact. Zak George needs to stay in his lane with submissive puppies.

[@jeffk464]

By the way, most people should be getting submissive easy dogs, the kind Zak can train. People live in apartments with tons of traffic and kids around and then get a Malinios or a Cane Corso.

[@high-bi-password]

I definitely wouldn’t say “extreme dominance,” EXTREME was that Olde Bulldog that got Prince to back down with a single, murderous glare. The Mal was definitely dominant, but I think a lot of it was typical Mal excitement, intensity, and drive.

[@nancymesek]

@@high-bi-password I didn’t say extreme.

[@cherylschaeffer7832]

Zak George is the worst self-proclaimed dog trainer ever. I've been working with dogs for over 50 years. I've seen a lot of dog trainers. Zak wins the prize for being the WORST. He spews a bunch of word salad because he is unable to work with dogs like this so instead he throws words... preferably longer words... out to try to make himself look smart (he's not... really quite ignorant actually). I love how Zak, who learned dog training from a big box store's training program known to turn out puppy trainers tries to "teach" Joel, who went to a real animal training school and has worked not only with dogs but killer whales and other apex predators. Zak, you are out of your league. Isn't it time for you to go back to puppy training and teaching back stalls? Actually, how's your own dog doing with off leash training. Has she learned recall yet? No? LOL I thought not.

[@armandhammer2235]

That's how I feel about Zak. You saved me time.

[@cherylschaeffer7832]

@armandhammer2235 Happy to help. Zak and his attacks on other trainers just irritates me beyond words. If he wasn't such a lackluster "trainer" this might be different.

[@Erin_29]

​@@armandhammer2235same!😅

[@LimitlessJayson]

crazy how his dog still struggles off leash meanwhile I got my mutt from a shelter a year ago and he's off leash trained via ecollar from my own true research Lol

[@anitadriessen3664]

totally agree zak george needs to go back minding his own buisness instead of bashing and badmouthing about other dogtrainers! its just sad and bad behavior on his account

[@squoctopus]

My Dad told me 41:48 that when he was young he was diagnosed with a bleeding ulcer and his dr told him he had to stop smoking. Instead he shopped drs until he found one that said he could keep smoking. Zak George is the guy for people who want to keep doing what they're doing.

[@aussieoutbackfarm]

"Zak Goerge is the guy for people who want to keep doing what they're doing." Funny if it weren't so true.

[@mataharik8]

Ok, this is my take: Zack George is envious and trying to assert his dominance by making “talking head” statements to elevate his dog trainer status.

[@high-bi-password]

Zack George is like those little dogs that have been babied and coddled their whole lives, and every time they go to a dog park they run up to the biggest baddest dog they can find and try to make it submit.

[@karasmom3538]

Joel, did you see Zak’s video with an “aggressive” dog? His idea of “aggressive” was a dog looking for a friendly human.

[@parisdevine8553]

And that clip was 3 years ago 😂😂😂

[@ccap3211]

He wouldn’t be able to get near a dog with real aggression. He’s an idiot.

[@yeehawjeehaw]

I've read some of your IG comments and salute you for not taking any of their BS. Keep speaking your truth and helping those of us who have difficult dogs. ZG's videos made me feel like a failure of a dog owner for not being a 'bubbly happy person that knows what theyre doing' when i was having a stressful time with my rescue; yours are always so beginner friendly & caring to the dogs-- to teach us to be loving but no nonsense which is now how i handle all dogs.

[@jasoncorey]

I would love to see a video of Zak train a breed that is very pushy and raise it properly through adulthood. Sure we have seen him train a Cane Corso puppy, that is easy. They are extremely willing to please their owners, highly intelligent and those guarding instincts have not even begun to kick in. It is raising a challenging breed through adolescence and beyond is what I want to see. I have yet to see Zak take an aggressive dog and turn it around, let alone even see him with an aggressive dog. He often sites research articles but those are not the end all be all and as smart individuals we all know that a lot of research data is skewed and sometimes not practical in the real world. I know we are talking dogs here but there is no way that Zak could train a wild animal or an Orca Joel used to work with, so it is safe to say that Joel will be correct 99% of the time over Zak when discussing training methods if we are basing things off track record. Can someone please give Zak a nasty aggressive dog to work with and see how that all works out using his methods of training. The world has become too soft.

[@josevelasco3245]

Proof is in the pudding. That’s why you don’t see any. They never apply neg reinforcement or punishment to stop crap behavior. It’s incomplete and only works with mild mannered or young dogs.

[@bluesstudio5137]

I doubt that he can deal with a large Breed, like the extra large dogs.

[@dinnyf]

I have taken the time to read all the journal articles Zak George has highlighted. Many are reviews of owner questionnaires, the questions are written with a clear bias. Other articles compare the behaviours of dogs “trained with positive+ vs punishment+ only. The punishment being an ecollar turned up high enough that the dog vocalises. His choice of science is biased, the science itself is biased. There is very good science being done at Duke and other universities. Zak George’s arguments are just ignorant.

[@MissSuzapalooza]

I'm no expert, but thankfully Joel is helping me be a better large breed rescue dog owner. I've only had five big breed rescue dogs, but they all needed slightly different approaches. the Boerboel was definitely dominant, three staffies, two normal, but one a jerk, XL bully ZERO dominance but still needs leadership and discipline. My young jerk staffy Buddy would be laughing all the way to the fridge if I just gave him treats to learn or do anything!!!

[@bluesstudio5137]

@@MissSuzapalooza God damn! That's a lot of dogs!....

[@The_Woof_Pack]

Only Zak’s followers support him which most are 12-15 year old teenage girls. Everywhere else he is hated and joked about. He is totally losing his mind… midlife crisis maybe??

[@nikkita1688]

He definitely leans more disney tv show guy. 😂 so that makes sense.

[@The_Woof_Pack]

@@nikkita1688 Maybe Disney villain

[@cowwhisperer]

Best podcast ever! This is my #1 podcast I enjoy listening to. I started my dog training education with Zak George, but then I worked with my first rescue dog and realized George's method was seriously lacking. So grateful for trainers like Joel who actually help people.

[@Azreniakingdom]

A few years ago before I found Joel and Upstate Canine Academy, I attempted to watch a series Zak made. Where he took dogs from a shelter and tried to retrain them. I remember getting so frustrated watching the videos because it was so hard for him to get the dogs to do basic things. Like walk past a dog park without losing its mind. Ever since I found Joel's channel I have stopped watching Zak completely. I can't even watch any of his videos. They make me cringe lol. I like that he wants to be nice to dogs and stuff but I can't watch his stuff anymore.

[@armandhammer2235]

Same.

[@Paulusia1111]

You should try Larry Krohn. He’s the best trainer in my opinion.

[@Azreniakingdom]

@@Paulusia1111 ill look him up!

[@mattg1889]

It was pretty demoralizing being a new dog owner trying to figure out dog training only to find that the guy with a 100k views wasn't doing any better than I was XD

[@armandhammer2235]

@@Azreniakingdom Nate Schoemer is great also.

[@kristijones7580]

Thank you both for all the work you do, all you’re willing to share, all the aspects of life you dip and dive into. I’ve been casually listening for awhile, even before my family rescued our puppy (now 11 months & still intact). This podcast is helping me with so many dog care and training issues and also many other aspects of life. Please keep doing what is sustainable and please know what a blessing you are beyond money, beyond opinion sharing, it’s human to human support so we can all be better leaders and support systems in whatever way we are called. Blessings and prayer 🙏🏼 🤲🏼

[@PaulaDTozer]

Why give George any airtime? There is no reasoning with those folks. It’s concerning that a purely positive trainer would come out of the gate being so venomous. Perhaps the viewership is down and needs a boost? Please, Joel, keep focusing on training dogs, I’ve learned a lot from you.

[@Catdragon27]

Zak George has written a book about dogs and dog training, which I have read. (Side note, who else thinks Joel should write a dog book?) and it was good and had legitimate and valid methods for working with dogs. His section on aggressive behavior though boiled down to go hire a trainer which I was unimpressed with. But the funniest thing in that book, and I wish I hadn’t returned it yet to the library so I could quote it exactly. It said something along the lines of, “your dog doesn’t need a pack leader, they need a gentle parent”. What is a parent if not a leader?

[@rptrick79]

The only way I'm reading a book @bdtraining publishes is if it's titled "*ALL DAY, training your dog*"

[@JPMNRB]

I have the book as well and I regret buying it. As I previously mentioned, its funny how only beta males says pack leaders or Alpha doesn't exist.

[@liesalllies]

​@@rptrick79 subtitle: i don't even care!

[@PM-bk1ry]

GENTLE PARENTING... Plaging children, and now dogs😮

[@mutney58]

Zak George is not a dog trainer. He cannot even recognize stress in his own dog. You train by observing dog behavior. So important.

[@armandhammer2235]

Joel is a correction officer. Nate Schoemer is a probation officer. Zak is a counselor. All are necessary.

[@John-lo4xz]

Underrated comment!

[@wkatz0]

Except that, Joel can do all of those things, and Zak can only do one of those things. Joel shows "correction officer" most often, because correcting the toughest dogs is best for views. Anybody can use treats to train a sit-stay. But handling an insane malinois is way more interesting.

[@aa2990]

You're 100% right, this is a great way of putting it. The issue is that people like Zack tend to try tell other people how to do their jobs, when in reality the methods they want everyone to use only work on 60 or 70% of the population. The other 30% really need Joel's methods, and people like Zack just refuse to accept that.

[@armandhammer2235]

@@wkatz0 I agree. Nate can do all also, he pretty much stays in his lane.

[@s.b.5259]

Zak is the middle school counselor who doesn't actually listen, just spews the same nonsense to teens who need real help, but will never get it thanks to him.

[@ChurchFarmer]

With my first dog (my first after I moving out of my parents) 6 years ago, I used Zak Georges methods for most of my Border Collie's training. I had some issues with recall and basic things after learning all I could from him. My agility intructor recommended me to start researching a bit more into Robert Cabral. He was sooooo helpful and he believes in e-collars and things like that. I've also learned a TON from your methods, especially for my current 5 month old puppy. All 3 trainers have their own benefits, but with dogs, I feel like a one-size fits all approach does not work. Each dog is different. On another note, all 3 trainers with different training styles are using HUMANE methods. You cannot just immediately assume because one trainer doesn't train YOUR WAY, that they are "problematic" or "harsh". For Mr. Beckman, your methods are ABSOLUTEY not harsh. I have lost respect for Zak George. He he spent way too much time "bashing" other trainers.

[@alexandraocean6756]

I LOVE Robert Cabral! His videos have helped me massively with both my Sheps, such a great trainer

[@RiverWoods111]

My attitude with E-collars is if you can and are willing to put it on yourself then they are a perfectly humane way to train. The only thing that bothers me with a prong collar is the idiots who don't know how to use them. Prong collars can be used humanely and safely, but in the hands of someone who doesn't know to not pull back on their dog, they are horrific and dangerous. ZG's training methods I don't think would work long term on any dog except maybe a small breed with no attitude.

[@forreststrong797]

Zak George is quite the character I don't like how he feels that he can just attack other people he doesn't agree with.

[@user-ts2zl4yd8]

That's how the woke work unfortunately.

[@forreststrong797]

​@@user-ts2zl4yd8 I know it's sad. These people act incredibly entitled like a spoiled child. What irks me so damn much is Zak has exhausted all avenues to do anything the right way to that dog daddy guy for example, and when the authorities say he's doing nothing wrong and there's nothing to be done instead of leaving it be and maybe talking about it he decides to use his fan bases to harass people and try to destroy people livelihoods and shut down businesses. He openly says that he must do things zaks way or else he will not stop destroying people as much as he can. That's a problem. I'm not even a dog daddy fan the first video I saw of him was on this podcast, I knew of him but after the podcast I looked into his videos and things a bit and learned about his situation with that Zak George and I feel so bad for him it's just terrible that Zak has such a vendetta against him. It doesn't matter if you don't agree but you can't do that to people, it's just another example of how bad things are with this woke mentality or whatever you want to call it.

[@VypeReaper]

The problem is Zak George comparing his training methods with puppies vs Beckman training methods with adult and young dogs that are not in the puppy phase anymore. I have yet to see Zak train an adult malinois, doberman or even stubborn adult dog breeds. While I have viewed Joel do it all.

[@krystal6137]

Came for the dog wisdom and stayed for your personalities, I love the banter and randomness coupled with some really insightful information. Keep doing what you’re doing be it dogs, parenting, chem trails, dog vaccines, prison or wild animal’s fighting and eating each other- we are here for it! I love that I can count on you guys every Thursday while I’m doing chores around the house. If ZG ever did come I’d hope you would make him watch the male hippo dominance battle video where the stronger hippo fought, mounted, assaulted and then bit the tail off the weaker hippo and ask him to identify what that behavior is if there is no such thing as dominance 😂 Also, the story about the dog vaccines is absolutely true and even domesticated meat pigs get a form of vaccinosis that causes large tumors at the injection site but they are slaughtered the life expectancy isn’t a priority. I usually only get puppies their first shots and then do a booster rabies when they’re about 5 years old and no other shots- my last big dog lived to be 17 almost 18 when her breed usually only lives 10-12. Of course, she was a house dog so there was little to no risk of her coming into contact with a wild animal in the area I lived in. Find a vet that is ok with skipping certain shots, and parents should look for the same with pediatrician.

[@LilMissGGG]

Previous all my dogs were “country” dogs. My vet understood this and HE actually talked me out of several vaccines he found completely useless to a dog in the situation mine were always in. He would personalize what his clients needed based on their and their dog’s lifestyle. One of the best vets I’ve ever had, and of course he was an old school house call vet. Loved him.

[@armandhammer2235]

I'll try to explain the four quadrants simply. If you apply leash pressure, you're applying positive punishment, the moment the dog complies to the leash pressure and you remove the pressure, you're applying negative reinforcement. When you give a dog a treat for good behavior, you're using positive reinforcement, when you remove the treat, your using negative punishment. Zak only preaches one quadrant, he doesn't understand he is using the others.

[@klospike]

Absolutely! I also needet time to really understand that conzept. But when you have, the "magic" of force free is gone! Hope Zac George will see it also some time in the future.

[@larag4646]

Here's why you should question "the research". Having been in that field, most are biased. Researchers who constantly prove companies wrong don't get grants. Researchers who prove a product works get grants. Most companies invest in research because they want their products "backed by research". Beckman's training methods don't require some sort of treat like positive, reward based training does. Now if you get people thinking they need to buy treats so they aren't "archaic" or "ill-informed", you've created demand. Same for vaccines, etc. Just saying...

[@OffGridDogs]

Exactly if you want the truth follow the $

[@mariohnyc]

I believe Joel just showed his prison dominance technique with that face hold.

[@The_Woof_Pack]

15:00 He would have you redirect your baby with candy or a toy without ever telling/teaching your baby what he was doing wasn’t okay.

[@wipartist9889]

Shouldn't Zak George be training puppies, instead of policing every other trainer out there?

[@charlottejohnson2695]

First podcast I watched just so refreshing to listen to you guys . Kind and honest in your comments

[@uncle_creepy2743]

Zak george is the epitome of the problems in this world today. I'm not even exaggerating ❤

[@eskimo3622]

dont get me started, he literally sums them all up!

[@drainaudio]

Indeed - "Participation Medals" for all... 🤣

[@qmerk2661]

yea hes one of those "woke" people..

[@TheMDelima]

You said it better than I was going to!

[@christinemackenzie5454]

Jeez, Zak loves his word salads. Leave theory out of dog training. Carry on Joel.

[@Johnny5sWorld]

My biggest takeaway from this video is that when I first got my Euro Doberman Female 3 yrs ago with both working parents, I stumbled upon Zak's videos along with several other trainers videos. There was so much content out there with so many different methods and views on dog's behavior and methods for training. While my dog was in training with 3 different trainers, some that only train police/military pups, a trainer that is famous all over KZbin and social media channels that loves wearing track suits, and a trainer that loves being kind and allowing my dog to essentially train herself I came to the conclusion that some dogs can easily be trained with Zak';s methods, the soft talk and playful style of training, some dogs need that assertive trainer that is a no-nonsense kind of trainer than knows the dog is capable of doing what is being asked of the dog and making sure the dog listens. My pup responded very well to the ladder, she needs a stern leader. She likes a leader that has a strong tone in their voice and gives clear direction. I stopped watching Zak's videos after the second video. If I had a small 20lbs Maltese maybe I would have kept watching but my 75lbs Doberman has responded well with a lot of the methods from Joel's videos and my biggest point, a lot of the things Joel says are the same opinions I have when it comes to dominance and how to deal with it.

[@robin212212]

I think the reality is all dogs can be trained using leadership and structure methods which allows for corrections to be used whereas only some dogs can be trained using purely positive methods (and if u use a leash on your dog you are already violating the purely positive ideology).

[@lisaleondires9576]

“Early to bed, early to rise makes a many healthy wealthy & wise” 😂😂. I always listen til the end. That should be Joel’s New Year’s resolution 😅

[@Erin_29]

The main problem with Zak George: he is woke.

[@lindawitt4661]

Poor choice/use of the adjective as there are SO many tainted definitions of this word. Expand on what you actually think his problem is with clear commonly known words.

[@rahzoriel2103]

@@lindawitt4661 He is a testosterone-deficient man, and the diagnosis can be archieved visually.

[@daniellependock2554]

Agreed

[@rahzoriel2103]

My comment was hidden because I mentioned how you can predict political identity based on the amount of testosterone a man can have.

[@Erin_29]

Too many to list 😅​@@lindawitt4661

[@BradHutchings]

Zak is overly pissing me off. He just asserts stuff, calls it "the science", calls everyone who doesn't submit an abuser. I like his methods when they work. In practice, Zak and Joel do about the same things most of the time. Zak is lighting you up for a language crime. He must be a lot of fun to be around. I have him on ignore for a couple months hoping he will get though this phase of being an insufferable douche. It's like how our new puppy came to us a couple months ago right in the middle of his mouthing and biting phase. He's getting out of that now. I'm hoping Zak follows a similar course of growing the eff up.

[@blei8634]

I think Zack George has to keep attacking Joel because if he doesn't, he will lose all credibility and income for his "positive reinforcement" gig.

[@girlgirl2534]

Your videos taught me how to handle my dominant puppy who is always trying to take the higher position from my older soft dog. Daily I have to advocate for my older dog because my pup is extremely intense and competitive. She was bred this way because her breeders are highly competitive weimeraner breeders. Shes got extreme prey drive for hunting. She's pushy by nature and she's hard headed so yes I have to grab her and constantly reinforce steadiness so my other dog can feel comfortable in her own home. Treats can work to redirect her because she's food driven but I cannot rely on treats because they dont change how shes hardwired. I need to correct the behavior and make it clear its not cool as well or she will just go right back to doing the behavior. She tries to stand ontop of her or push between myself and my other dog. She has the insane gaze when my other dog chews a bone and she wants it, which stresses my other dog out enough to not want her bone anymore. If I treat her in these situations she will think I'm rewarding it!

[@User7688.--_]

I so agree! The trick for me was finding the right amount of energy in my hands and arms when I needed to calm my all-black GSD when she was a puppy.

[@nickcalthrop4779]

Zak George is the equivalent of a Lhasa Apso. Old ladies and fashionistas love then, but they are only for show.

[@brandyb51]

Ok, this one made me laugh out loud more than once 🤣

[@OffGridDogs]

The podcast is addictive largely due to “the pod” a very cool group of followers and commenters that you 2 gentlemen have brought together on this strange/awesome journey!

[@BDTraining]

Wow, thanks!

[@underduress5761]

I agree 100% I eagerly wait for the Thursday drop, so I can start to listen and love the interactions in the comments. Joel attracts sensible minded people that are fairly well educated and many have a great sense of humor, like that off grid guy. 😂

[@CharlieTheCaneCorso]

His name is sack George

[@katarzynaciepucha9358]

I watch Zak George's and your videos and I think that Zak George has a lot of cool tips for puppies. Your video can help with dog aggression and bad behavioural problems. Your methods aren't harsh at all.

[@Joemol5746]

I’m sorry but he’s not even a good positive only trainer. There are a lot of good ones out there who accept it’s limitations but choose to train their dog that way, but he isn’t even good at the thing he preaches for

[@SoundlessFantasy]

Their not even good for puppies I wasted 2 months using his methods once I changed my dog instantly learnt better I will never crutch myself again using food

[@blueflare3848]

I would say Zak George is good for basic obedience training, but I doubt he would be able to handle a truly dominant, aggressive, or otherwise difficult dog.

[@Joemol5746]

@@blueflare3848 Honestly he’s not even good for that. He rewards literally anything, sometimes even undesirable behaviours and his timing is way off. This isn’t me slamming positive only because there are good positive only trainers out there but he isn’t the beacon of light for positive only training that he’s made out to be

[@jeffk464]

Yeah, I tend to think Zak's method of extreme socialization and desensitizing puppies from a super early age mostly prevents the severe behavioral problems. Beckman is working with adult dogs with deeply set behavioral problems.

[@aussieoutbackfarm]

Hi Joel and Eric, sorry to clog up the comments. I know we're meant to stay AWAY from crazy stuff like flat earth, but this may interest you. I did a lot of research on it actually only a few months ago. On the globe (round earth map), the USA is a bit larger than Australia. Yet on a flat earth map, Australia is a lot larger than the USA. So how do we find out which one is correct? Let’s look how long it takes for a (Boeing 737) plane to fly the ~ distance across Australia and U.S.A and (W - E) return. Perth - Brisbane and return = 595 minutes. New York - San Francisco return = 720 minutes. This shows that the USA is larger than Australia. The round earth. The globe. If you'd like more proofs, let me know. I have a few up my sleeve.

[@Michele_6815]

In my opinion Zak George’s viewpoint-from his comment, I had never heard of him before-to me, shows that he humanizes dogs instead of appreciating and understanding them as dogs.

[@armandhammer2235]

Yup

[@accufab]

Yup X2

[@ionutkiss6381]

That s what that so called dog trainer does. He comments on the real dog trainers who actually can help dogs and owners. Never liked Zak never will. He took shots at Dog Daddy as well so... Nothing new. It s a pitty he doesn t show us all how to fix the problems with the real dogs that have real problems that need to be solved. He only talks. He never ACTS ! He thinks he s a genius. He speaks in the name of "science". Why doesn t he want to have a talk based on arguments? He s such a industry plant.

[@blueflare3848]

I don’t agree with Zak George, but I do question some of Dog Daddy’s methods. He has done quite a few questionable things in the past.

[@ionutkiss6381]

@@blueflare3848 like what? If you would have a dominant dog that doesn t take orders from you what would you do? Dogs work on hierarchy which is based on dominance.

[@blueflare3848]

@@ionutkiss6381 I’m talking about when he bred German Shepherds and was scamming people. Or that one popular video of his German Shepherds heeling off leash, but they look scared. Tails tucked, heads down. Their body language is concerning.

[@begaxo]

like swinging dogs in the air by their collar lmfao, that is absolutely questionable in any sense, just because it works doesnt make it okay@@ionutkiss6381

[@alejandroserrato2324]

Thanks Joel for another great unleashed. Prince really helped with Freyja's dominance. There are way way fewer incidences with our pig and with other dogs. Freyja was never aggressive but just throwing herself around and trying to boss animals. Prince helped her from throwing her weight around (Nefie / 115lbs/ f / 1 year old). I don't know how Prince did it but she doesn't even run through dogs or jump in to us anymore. My wife is totally in love with her again! Thanks for all the tips too!

[@User7688.--_]

Freyja is the Corso in Joel’s video new video that Joel and Eric are talking about, right? Or not?

[@alejandroserrato2324]

@@User7688.--_ Freyja is a New Foundland that we took to Joel because she was being bossy. I think no other dog had told her to knock it off. We took her like a month ago.

[@User7688.--_]

@@alejandroserrato2324 So she is definitely not the corso. Thank you for your answer. If I had slowed down and read your original post, I would have noticed she is a Newfi. Duh! 😵‍💫

[@psychedforlife7176]

How much did it cost for the session? I am so curious. I would love for Prince to work with my dog.

[@bullarabcookie]

Zac also harassed dog daddy. Pathetic

[@dexter_johnson]

The thought that dominance and hierarchy in dogs doesn't exist is completely asinine.

[@Our_Patterns]

Zaks's viewership is down the tubes and he is flailing.

[@Paulusia1111]

Zak George has gone feral. He’s having an existential crisis. Nobody should give him the attention he’s looking for.

[@ravenbird3014]

Isn't he the crazy who tried protesting Dog Daddy?

[@Paulusia1111]

@@ravenbird3014 oh yeah, he’s obsessed with dog daddy

[@JenniferAguiartampa]

I can’t imagine being his wife.

[@Paulusia1111]

@@JenniferAguiartampa he brainwashed her

[@christineleonard1110]

I disagree with Zak George's approach as to trying to cancel balanced trainers. It should be a choice of each individual person. Some people go for positive training. Some do balanced, but it should be the choice of the person.

[@rptrick79]

That's good! He doesn't deal with problem dogs or aggressive dogs it makes my heart warm and fuzzy to see this. It should be a choice and what is needed for the dog to help it past whatever and will.make it's life better. Not to say there's only 1 way and then talk in circles. That isn't helping any dogs that really need help. What changed your mind?

[@christophertorrez7583]

👏🏽 I agree.

[@armandhammer2235]

Stoney Daniel is awsome also. He does agility and takes multiple dogs offleash in the woods. He realizes the dog he cant take off leash with the other dogs.

[@OffGridDogs]

Stonnie Dennis ? He’s got wisdom.

[@armandhammer2235]

@@OffGridDogs sorry. I said that wrong again. Stonnie Dennis.

[@rptrick79]

Who made the damn tears on Joel's podcast face?! LMAO!

[@m.s7425]

Isn't it for laughing? Lol

[@rptrick79]

@m.s7425 I don't think so, think it's got more to do with the title of.the podcast lol. This whole damn thing was basically Sarcasm and I loved it.

[@liesalllies]

When i am sitting at my table eating dinner, my dog cannot walk up and eat of my plate, however when my dog is eating i can go take his food away if i want/need to. That is dominance behavior at work between dog and human. And no abuse or violence was used to get that.

[@Dogdaddy5560]

Clearly a very knowledgeable dog guardian.

[@MrsVGrace]

OMG I can't with this guy. Zac George = 🤡 Hello Zac, Dominance is real. You guys have to get Jordan Peterson on the podcast.

[@reneemckinnon5731]

Hey, Eric 👋🏽 I just wanted to thank you for me being one of the reasons you show up for the podcast each week 😊👌🏽 I really appreciate the time and effort that both you and Joel put into this community 🫶🏼 The little things are really important to me like you remembering me by name, Joel remembering that I’m Australian in a previous episode, and just the fact that you both have made this space where like minded people can hang out virtually each week. So thanks to both of you for giving us your time which is so precious because you can’t get it back ❤ Onto this weeks topic: my 2yo bullmastiff mix sexually matured a few weeks ago in a big way! He started poop marking, he picks out an object and backs up on it to get his butt as high as possible, then poops lol 😂 On the not so funny side: he has started trying to mount people who menstruate, even if they aren’t currently menstruating 🙄 Since he is fully mature now I’ve had him neutered, that should help fix the issue along with the training I’ve already started for it. Two very different presentations of dominance that needed different levels of correction, I don’t know how anyone can think that dominance isn’t a thing, or that inter species dominance isn’t a thing 🤷🏻‍♀️ Anyway, I everyone enjoyed the holidays 😊👍🏽

[@reneemckinnon5731]

Dish soap can also be used to wash off the “spot on” treatments for ticks and fleas if your dog has a bad reaction to it. It just happened to Jason Corey’s older Corso over New Year’s. He washed the treatment off Bruce with Dawn dish soap and apparently the vet said it saved Bruce’s life.

[@reneemckinnon5731]

PPS: mad cow disease is actually a type of prion disease caused by feeding the cattle “food” that contained dead cows they couldn’t sell for human consumption because they didn’t know the cause of death 💀 I honestly can’t remember the last time I ate beef because of this even though I know that Australia has such high food standards 🫤

[@ElizabethJW]

You guys are hilarious 😂 the chain smoking Marlboros for a sponsorship deal was so funny lol love these podcasts! I’m so glad you keep doing them even though you aren’t doing it to make a bunch of money please just know your time is appreciated 😃🙏

[@MrDynamart]

Feeling the love guys, thank you 😂😊

[@justchilling7594]

The problem is the word Dominance has become a buzz word in the dog world. Your dog needs to respect your authority at the end of the day. People are the same way you have leaders you have followers and then you have bullies who want to be leaders but when you get right down to it are insecure over reactors. You need to be the leader to your dog regardless of what type of personality he has.

[@sdeneff]

My Pitbull is the calmest dog in the world, but the dominance he oozes, makes every dog around him aggresive.

[@yagovila7052]

I can't stand that guy, he's everything about theory, "science", and talking. It's easy for him, the proof is in the pudding, since he's so smart and works magic with dogs, all kind of dogs with all kind of issues he just have to step forward and offer himself to fix all the problems he claims he's able to solve with his bulletproof all-positive-force-free approach!. Come on Zak, show everyone your craft, show us your real and long lasting results!!!

[@angelofshane08]

Zak George is the equivalent of gentle parenting with his dogs. They are wild and bratty, and don't listen. As shown in the video a quick stern behavior adjustment is what some dogs need. My opinion of course 😜.

[@Chequr_Prostate]

Look at how many children dominate and manipulate their parents, simply because the parents will not set and stick to boundaries. Rather they believe keep giving them “ treats” will solve everything. The outcome is spoilt children who end up on antidepressants because they can’t live in the real world.

[@mpugliano]

Hey Beckman, why don't you read a few more books, for instance i recommend that you write one read it and then tell the Karen's where they can put it. I am obviously joking around with you. I love your training videos and wish you continued success!

[@jamiemcgahey6956]

Any response on him actually standing on 2 feet and backing up what he is preaching? Please Keep inviting him

[@Duke49th]

I have 5 dogs. Highest count was 7 dogs at the same time. If anyone wants to tell me there is no hierarchy or dominance I call that person a bullshitter - and I don't care how many trainer licenses that person has

[@imchillyb]

Thank you for doing this, Ellen.

[@GeeMoneyESE]

Zac George would let his kid transition if he identified as transgender

[@steamer2k319]

Dominance can be a factor even when an issue is primarily rooted in e.g., ignorance or fear. Using a couple examples from the video: • Regarding the dog scared by the hardwood floor... The dog doesn't need to understand that the floor can't hurt it--it only needs to understand that the owner is more consequential than the floor. It's okay to be scared. It's not okay to shred the couch because you were scared. Dominance can cut through their muddled thinking. If the owner says "enough" or "stop" that needs to impress itself more upon the dog's awareness than the existence of the floor. • Regarding the one year old pulling the three year old's hair--the child doesn't have to have empathy or understand the three year old's pain. They just need to know that whatever they're doing is counterproductive to their own interests. If the parents are too timid to intervene because they don't think the one year old should be dominated, then everyone will suffer under the dominion of the one year old's whims--not least the three year old. Here's where Zak was wrong: if you want to have a dog while you participate in society, then it's your responsibility to ensure that the rules of polite society dominate in the dog's life, insofar as it co-participates with you.

[@rebeccasenko6956]

As an elementary teacher, I see so many correlations to children. In recent years, some adults are increasingly assigning over complicated and intricate thought processes to young children. A five year old is not a small adult. Most normal child behavior concerns are simple and best handled quickly, calmly and without constant unlimited treats. The old fashioned “tough love” is a gift to a child. Sitting down with deep conversations and candy sometimes reinforces the opposite behavior.

[@plsdi111]

Imagine this world in 2040. I hope there won’t be force free horse trainers, who explain to you not to put any pressure on an animal. Just imagine a picture where these trainers run after their horses. It would be funny to see though. 😅 I sometimes imagine my akita in the early stages of learning with Zak. What he does when she eats his clicker? Does he has 2 in his pockets? Don’t get me wrong, she behaves really well now, and I can trust her anywhere on walks, but that was a really hard work to reach that level, and if I only used positive reinforcement with her, we were still a hundred meters away from every other dogs and people with my frustrated dog. I don’t really get why was it better for my dog, than some well timed corrections. I love my dog and she loves me, she loves to work for me, she loves to just be around me, she loves my cat and my other dog. Than Zak comes in, and tells me that I punish my dog. Idiot. 😀

[@4vinylsound]

How does it benefit Joel Beckman to promote Zach George when we've never heard of him until watching the Beckman channel now we know who Zach George is and now we can watch both

[@Dogdaddy5560]

And if you’ve never heard of Susan Garrett. Maybe check her out as well. Phenom trainer and competitor.

[@towpottsfam7631]

1:02:08 yey bjj. Dogs and parenting and now prisons. I worked in 2 prisons for 4 years. Love it. Thanks for doing the pod 🎙 for the pod 🐋🐋🐋

[@ThePetWellnessCoach]

I would TOTALLY watch a 1, 2 or even more -hour video of complete training sessions!! 😂 I'm sure there's more geeks like me, too. Not that it should be a priority of the channel, but sometimes it would be super! 😊

[@chelseag724]

Yes count me in I would definitely tune in to that

[@ThePetWellnessCoach]

@@chelseag724 I knew there had to be more out there like me! 😁

[@lauriedolne7430]

I totally would too!

[@izmir2004]

I watched this video a while ago and what I saw was a firm correction not abuse and watched a dog calm down. Mr Beckmann your videos have helped me work on my 9 month old puppy with her leash pulling and reacting on leash. One month later my now 10 month old puppy is doing great

[@armandhammer2235]

"liberal men" Exactly I call them leftist men.

[@rahzoriel2103]

Do you drink dry water and walk short long paths too?

[@armandhammer2235]

@@rahzoriel2103 I don't understand

[@rahzoriel2103]

@@armandhammer2235 Political ideology is heavily defined by the concentration of testosterone in men.

[@Alex_Coolen]

This episode was hilarious thanks guys

[@forreststrong797]

My wife saw a zak george video then something about him going after the dog daddy and she found his explanation of purely positive training hilarious. She has this joke now when I'm training the dog or telling them no for something she just says "yes" "yes!" For everything is "yes" lol. She stops me and tells me im doing it wrong i need to say "yes". They counter surf its yes, they do something good its yes they poop in the house its yes. Everything is yes. So now when I'm training she always interupts and says yes! Haha. Its hard to explain but its pretty funny. It is pretty silly to never ever use any negative reinforcement. We dont need to hit dogs or anything but they need to know the difference between right and wrong tell them no and physically move them where they need to go. They need to understand its not an option.

[@underduress5761]

That's funny

[@weedhigh2564]

oh damn, will this be the reason i finally get IG, so i can follow this beef? I knew ZG was deluded when he went to war with DD, but after DD schooled him i wondered if Zak would stop there or find a new target, and what do you know, here he is, picking a fight with Joel with all of people (well, i can see why Joel might seem an appealing target to someone that does not know much about him but any decent measure of research should dissuade even the most deluded to try it out, but not Zak). Joel is possibly the absolute worst target to pick after Cesar Millan with Garret Wing and Cabral beiing close third and fourth, you dont pick fights with legends man, you learn from them and respect them, they got where they are now for a reason, sure you can try and do better and maybe you will maybe you wont, but you dont go picking beefs with them. While Zak has a big presence online he has been training dogs for just about the same time i am, around 10 years, and has learned nothing during all this time, i might not reach as many people as he does but at the level he is now, i surpassed that in my first year, and while im confident in my experience and knowledge i know my place, when people like Joel talk and im in the room, im quiet and listen and maybe ask a question here or there if something is not clear to me but in general im quiet and try to listen to what guys like these have to teach me

[@hbishop8475]

ZG believes when the going gets tough, the weak get rid of inconveniences (both aggressive dogs and unborn humans).

[@The_Woof_Pack]

1:00 As far as different species and dominance what about the cat dog dynamic? Often cats seem to call the shots and demand respect from the dogs within the family. (Not always, but often from my experience)

[@OffGridDogs]

Cats will push push push. Give ‘em an inch they’ll take a mile lol.

[@terridavis9278]

My trust is with Joel 100% Joel has been very successful with a variety of breeds including very large and difficult breeds. He is capable of training the people watching his videos. Zak George is jealous of Joel's intelligence.

[@armandhammer2235]

"anthropomorphic" Ask Zak to define that word. I asked him and he didn't reply.

[@towpottsfam7631]

8:23 yeah agree , dominance doesn't explain everything... but you can name the.problem as dominance if that's what it is.some people do mental verbal gymnastics to say everything other than what it is

[@mutney58]

Beckman. I have learned so much from you. Thank you.

[@shell9250]

Fùcking love you guys 😂

[@JoJoJohnston]

Some of the best trolling I've seen lately.

[@suefrompa2567]

Joel, several trainers have invited Zak on their podcasts - Robert Cabral, Ivan Balabanov, Dog Daddy - he either ignores them, or says no - basically saying it's useless because he knows he is right. He's a coward and depends on his word salad responses to confuse people.

[@virginiareynolds6296]

Fascinating to compare these two dog trainers KZbin channels. I checked George’s channel and his channels are not getting a lot of views compared to the amount of subscribers he has. Your channel is doing quite well, even the shorts videos have more views than his. Keep up the good work.

[@melodieramsay655]

I disagree with Zak about mounting, too. I had a Boxer in my pack that was born with shortened tendons in his back legs, which caused his hips to be pulled backwards. He was also too tall for a Boxer. He was also kept on leash because he was a notorious poop eater, and his owners were tired of him throwing it back up two hours later. The fact that he was slanted down at the back end combined with his being on leash made him an almost daily target to all the unaltered males at the dog park. They would see him as a weaker dog and they would try to hump him all the time. It was only the unaltered males that I had this issue with - I was constantly having to push them off to avoid a fight because he would react as well!

[@rosablume4346]

It is so hard to grasp that the positive only folks would rather have a dog with bad habits go unchecked, not corrected, „ without violence“ and risk him getting really uncontrollable. Instead of handling him firm and turn him into a sociable, happy dog

[@stevec9972]

Pos only, at least dog feelings don't get hurt😂

[@exfx8315]

I've had a Japanese Akita for 3 years now, she came with all sorts of issues. When we first got her, I watched a few Zak George videos, and whilst his enthusiasm for dog training was encouraging, his methods did not work at all for my girl. If it wasn't for your videos I wouldn't have her walking to heel, listening to my every command etc. No signs of aggression towards us anymore as was first displayed when we first got her, we still have issues with her when we have guests round, she doesn't seem to like anyone haha but I guess that's the guard dog in her? It's an issue we are still working on. Either way, his approach did not work for her, and I actually challenge him to try to train her to like and accept him with his soft approach.

[@witzkedm]

Zak can't even train his own dogs. He has no business claiming to be a trainer.

[@ThePetWellnessCoach]

I LOVE how this podcast wanders around. Suits my ADD just fine 😁

[@underduress5761]

😂

[@robertpapst518]

I haven't ever seen Joel pretending or exercising dominance like a dog. What I have seen so far is Joel exercising LEADERSHIP like any responsible dog owner has to. I have the impression that Zach is a positivy only guy who mixes this up. Of course, leadership includes to consider the emotional state of the dog in order not to overdose the leadership. This is exactly what Joel did in every video I have seen so dar.

[@armandhammer2235]

One of the worst things Zak does is he pairs his treats. It's ridiculous that he doesn't know he should not pair.

[@scottrobertson9788]

What do you mean?

[@armandhammer2235]

@@scottrobertson9788 watch Nate, he can explain it better than me.

[@armandhammer2235]

@@scottrobertson9788 You could also check out Pavlov.

[@KevinORourke25]

I saw the huskie video and there was not one time that I saw you be mean, unfair or otherwise negligent about the animals well being and safety. I have (had) an very reactive, stubborn Red Heeler and he has improved a tremendous amount due to Joel Beckma. That's it.

[@cobyrobins973]

Both of you are being very nice to Zak. I think we caught Joel in good mood. I kind of wish Joel was in a not so understanding mood and told this dude to shove it until he can prove he can train aggressive “dominant” dogs

[@ThePetWellnessCoach]

That is 💯 % true! Purina, Hills, RC fund many of the vet schools... definitely MUCH of the research... and, they design and assemble (and sometimes their reps actually teach) the nutrition curriculum (of which there is typically very little)