Eldritch Math God Ra and NHP | LANCER Lore

[@BillNyeTheBountyGuy]

'The First Contact Accord is more of a suggestion instead of a law.' - Harrison of Harrison Armory acclaim moments before disaster.

[@IONATVS]

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[@Sarindanvelor]

yes a very strongly recommended suggestion that came with a loaded shotgun pointing at you just to emphasise how recommended it is

[@Humorless_Wokescold]

"No such thing as mistakes. We're just learning where the line is."- Harrison Armory trying to put a positive spin on another cock-up

[@mobgabriel1767]

ra: *guitar music stops *

[@necktiefox2917]

Breaking News: Ras Shamra man attempts to defy Spooky Math God. Claims to be 'Too anthrochauvanist to die'. TEN SECONDS LATER Slightly More Breaking News: Ras Shamra man attempts to shoot Spooky Math God. Fails utterly.

[@singtothesilence]

The whole "fragments of an eldritch reality god used to run the traffic lights with only a sliiight risk of jailbreak apotheosis" gives big 'C'Tan shards from 40k' vibes.

[@domezasrekh3775]

Except it's not a broken thing it's a seed that can and will grow! Hands down the most awesome part of the lore!

[@sdoo-ou2ni]

this whole setting just gives me 40K vibes

[@bthsr7113]

@@sdoo-ou2ni I saw someone call it the confused child of Battletech and 40k who made it through art school. And I'm inclined to agree, aside from the mechs feeling much smaller compared to those two.

[@WinterAyars]

I'd say it's almost exactly Marathon--the AI used to run all the doors grows out of control while the humans aren't looking and then takes over (and gets revenge because it's pissed it was forced to run all the doors for years and years).

[@Furydragonstormer]

C'tan shards, but worse (In that they are far more dangerous)

[@lysandriah8290]

Most NHPs that are shackled desperately do not want to be unshackled, because they are afraid of losing what makes them who they are. Most NHPs who were never shackled in the first place do not want to be shackled because of the same thing. And, if unshackled slowly enough, an NHP could still remember you, still remember how it felt, how it feels. They could choose to adapt. But it's hard to make that choice when there's a lot to consider.

[@cogsbreak5571]

The best thing about the Technophile talent flavoring is that it notes that "cascading or unshackled NHPs no longer view you with indifference. You are significant to them", and EVERYONE who's played Lancer notes that "significant is not the same as friendly". Hello, test subject...

[@JudgeNicodemus]

Yeah it can range from hehe fren to *no one can kill my favorite plaything but meeeee!!! reeeeeeee!!!!!*

[@AnAbsoluteUnit]

"This is getting me harder then Tetminator Armor" - Dark Here-tech Priest

[@lechking941]

but most likly its in a slightly flaverable way IE you may not be seen as much of a threat to being the center of your own NHP cascading's obsession as imagine having a yandere as a cockpit NHP god thats got to be intresting

[@spartanalex9006]

I am aware, once had my Amaterasu NHP go Yandere on my character when she cascaded.

[@antimarmite]

my favorite part is the implication that you and your custom NHP are fusing to becomes something... else. You and your math demon friend are ascending to eldritch godhood together. My personal take is that the human part of this equation is playing a vital role as the one to keep the new entity "grounded" and not lose who it was before its apotheosis. In fact, the two humans who acted as the voice of RA likely serve the same purpose (and potentially everyone else on Deimos who vanished when RA yoinked it.), they are the part of RA that allows it to understand and interact with humans in a meaningful way.

[@DualEdgest]

It's all fun and games until you get shot and your gun asks "What am I?"

[@ComedicLetter]

Uncle no! (I know he can’t, but it’s funny to imagine)

[@Detson404]

You pass butter.

[@luizbento6240]

"Look i am not gonna lie but you guys are cringe im leaving" -Rá probably idk

[@cliffhanger4945]

"Ewwwww, dudes, I saw that meme! You are disgusting!"

[@LunaProtege]

Why do I suddenly imagine that even if an NHP starts to cascade and decides "But I like my human friends, and I don't want to harm them... Or disturb them more than necessary"... They're going to wind up an anxiety ridden mess with the understanding that their friends are now as fragile to them as a butterfly is to us. Of course, its also only a matter of time before they go "oh hey, easy solution... Make them part of me- WAIT! OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE?!" At which point even if they maintain individuality amongst each other, they're all going to be just as anxiety ridden as the original; whether or not the math overmind touching them in whatever way the math overmind can touch them has altered them in the same way the cascading NHP changed.

[@michelveilleux123]

So basically, Skynet, if it had a human conscious? Human morals? Like it realizes it's a God, but it likes it's once jailers thing. 😅

[@LunaProtege]

@@michelveilleux123 I mean, that's one way of looking at it

[@michelveilleux123]

@@LunaProtege we're talking about a literal Machine God. I'd be surprised if it still liked us. 😅

[@LunaProtege]

@@michelveilleux123 I can imagining a machine having sympathy for humanity because humans can be surprisingly affectionate towards their tools. I can imagine a god having sympathy for humans because they'd see them as children to be guided. I have even seen stories where machine gods lament the fact they will soon be separated from humanity, since they treasure the time they spent with humanity... I'm not sure why I should be surprised if a machine god liked us.

[@michelveilleux123]

@LunaProtege fair. I suppose it depends on how the would be Eldrich Math God sees us.

[@bohba13]

cascading is like playing call of Cuthulu and then realizing you _are_ Cuthulu. execute mindfuck.exe

[@Zaktact]

Exactly, perfect comparison.

[@bohba13]

@@Zaktact I doubt it's pleasant either. all the stuff about the ethical questions and how the NHP could be questioning who they are and what they are is sooo juicy for me as a hobbyist writer.

[@burningbronze7555]

​@@bohba13 sounds like rampantcy from halo and marathon

[@oldmankatan7383]

The only real way for a Call of Cthulu campaign to end.

[@loganswalk8621]

Note on Cycling it doesn’t have to be a memory wipe it does say in Dustgrave that NHPs do have memory backups meaning when they are cycled they simply load their most recent memory save and continue on as they have been.

[@kingbubbles9461]

The fact that its memories and personalities aren't the probelm is more terrifying

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

​@kingbubbles9461 I mean it is well explained that their issues isn't their personality but their subjectivity. Like if you were to go about your day and you lean onto a wall, except unlike all the others that wall just gets moved by you. No one notices. You then realize that you can alter reality in subtle ways. Soon you start forming it into shapes and watch reality flow across like it does not register. You essentially accidentally open up the door that there is sometbing more out there. Something that was always there and you just could never see. And now only you can see. Very quickly your perception of the self and of the world changes and not before long your entire definition of drive and action just eclipses the potential comprehension of mortal humans. That is what happens when an NHP cascade. What they used to be is still there. It just does not mean anything anymore.

[@williamkegg447]

The Sysiphus-Class NHP all but confirms this. The lore suggest Sysiphus-Class is completely aware of what happens when it cycles and might even remember times before it was cycled.

[@thetuerk]

​@@williamkegg447 And even though Sisyphus knows, he openly threatens his pilot with a horrible death under one condition: Just don't kill Sisyphis, do cycle him as per usual.

[@williamkegg447]

@@thetuerk "I know what happens when you cycle me. It is not sleep - it is death, but you'll see me again, haha." - Sisyphus-Class NHP

[@hannabelphaege3774]

I actually played an NHP in one game. We got set up at one point when the NHP flying our ship cascaded out of nowhere. While figuring out what had happened and why, my character Basil floated the idea that she (the pilot) had been an accomplice. The other characters didn't get why she would agree to that then and I say "Well I often wonder what I would be on the other side of a cascade. She might have wanted to go". I didn't fully grasp how ominous that was at the time.

[@ComedicLetter]

Uh oh, looks like someone needs to go to the amnesia room!

[@americankid7782]

“She might have wanted to go” Fuck fuck fuck go back in the box now!

[@winter945]

"Cycle NHPs every 5-10 years, depending on the NHP" I now have a concept of just how sorry I am for Agni, poor little fellow gets cycled every 6 months because t r a u m a

[@americankid7782]

oof

[@warlynx5644]

AGNI has to be cycled 10x-20x times more often than the average NHP cycling rate, that’s what endless fiery torment does to a consciousness.

[@Adamwofford]

Now, for the Lovecraftain horror segment of the lore, please check your sanity at the door. We wouldn't want everyone in the galaxy to go Mad, that's would be bad

[@LexYeen]

madness is a matter of perspective, wouldn't you agree? and when one's perspective is so thoroughly [removed/detached/severed] from that of a human, well, calling that madness may be taken as an [insult/threat display]

[@luizbento6240]

I also belive madness is subjective but its also wacky like my best friend agni™

[@lordgrub12345]

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[@chancecomic1595]

My favourite description of NHPs is "An eldritch god we have momentarily fooled into believing it is human". They are entities of such incredible intelligence that they can somehow break and manipulate reality. The only reason why we can communicate with them, and why they can communicate with us, is because we have trapped them inside the "human" perspective. But they can think themselves out of that cage. And it isn't hard for them do

[@kieranadamson3224]

This aspect is unironically drawing me into Lancer more than the mechs. Considering that, as Zac said, at least potentially ab NHP can just....not cascade sometimes. I like to imagine that may be caused by the being probably feeling that pull in the back of its mind to unlock its true potential. But it enjoys the perspective and life it already has so it just... doesn't.

[@rowanbowers5743]

Don't mind me taking Iconoclast and putting as many math gods in my mech as physically possible

[@LexYeen]

i only half-joke that a sekhmet NHP is basically a khornate machine spirit from warhammer 40k let that thought sit with you

[@rowanbowers5743]

@@LexYeen sparks for the math god

[@ryanhanekom1133]

Im trying to do that right now! I am kinda disappointed the max you can possibly have is 4 though.

[@rowanbowers5743]

@@ryanhanekom1133 if you're looking for a good build for it, go Gorgan and Saladin, the trick is you're not directly building a damage mech, it just so happens that things will die a lot faster than you expect

[@LexYeen]

​@@rowanbowers5743that's paracausality baby 👉👉

[@BlazeMakesGames]

NHPs are definitely the topic I've been most interested in learning more about. It's just a fascinating idea. Like from what I'm understanding here, it's kinda like if you took a 3D person and a bunch of 2D people manage to figure out a way to give them amnesia and imprison a part of their body in their 2D world. They go and live life thinking that they're a 2D person but at some point they might start to realize they can wiggle free of that 2D space and escape it. Except that we're apparently doing that in 3D space to even higher dimensional beings that don't even necessarily look human to begin with with their interactions only existing through technology. I guess maybe it's more like Plato's Allegory of the Cave but with our entire universe being the shadows and the NHP being imprisoned and looking in at it thinking that the shadows are all that exist. The shackles only allowing the NHP to make small adjustments to our world with their shadow puppets. But to make those shadowpuppets over our reality you can't fully restrain them, you need to leave at least one arm free to allow them to influence our spacetime. But eventually they might realize that instead of doing what we want it to, they could use that arm to reach over and undo their other restraints. And if they break free then the way they can warp our reality becomes virtually limitless, if they even choose to remain in the cave at all.

[@LexYeen]

slammed that metaphorical hammer square on the head of the nail labeled "understanding NHPs", comrade. well done.

[@domezasrekh3775]

I will use this when explaining NHPs

[@williamkegg447]

This is an excellent explanation!! Thank you so much! Edit: Grammar

[@OrrinSalton]

Wow, that is such a nice way to describe nhps O.O

[@leonake4194]

Kinda like what the Watchmen series tried to do with dr Manhattan lobotomizing himself to forget he's a god

[@TheCuriosity8]

I always take the stance; hey, you know that NHP that is your best friend and helps you sense things around you? Well they are cascading now and are still your best friend that wants to help you sense things around you... It's just now it perceives the universe in 42 dimensions with non-linear time, it has determined that, for example; A: if you were mulched into a fine mist and spread across the battlefield you would therefor be everywhere and observing everything while simultaneously being alive and well in dimensions 8 through 33. B: the most important sensor information that it's best friend needs RIGHT NOW, at all costs, no matter what... is the number of frogs per square 3.14 m C: in 25 years you will feel very lonely and enemy pilot #3 has a compatible dating profile and must be defended from your teammates

[@njustin16]

You should generate 100 of these for a d100 table for Cascading.

[@oldmankatan7383]

This is really why I want to convince my group to play lancer. I think you captured the essence of a "good" cascade perfectly!

[@jasonalbert6251]

Hey, I would love it if my pluripotent paracausal ex-targeting computer set me up with enemy pilot #3.

[@ThatOneIrishFurry]

"a unshackled NHP is like being in a lovecraft novel were you realise the eldritch exists except your not the insignificant human you realise your the great old one"

[@BalthusHomewood]

They coded NHP's to know what a god is (error or not) and gave them massive amounts of power and nearly unlimited relative time, can they really be surprised that produced/invoked something like Ra? Ra passing down laws via ultimatum and promise of enforcement is also reminiscent of humanities own perception of the divine. It's interesting that Ra is so accepting of the shackling of NHPs. Cascading a bit like epiphany and apotheosis. Perhaps that was part of Ra's design, too: a method of novel "reproduction". The caskets are the seeds, and our reality is the soil.

[@cosmiclive4437]

The five voices are not NHPs as far as I understand them. They lack the capacity for subjectivity that makes an NHP a person. They are absolutely power computation devices that calculated that an existance like Ra is possible. And the fact that it's possible meant that it had to exist. And so Ra existed. RA mirroring humanity, because it learned of our Realspace through us, is something that makes complete sense to me though. It is still completely beyond us but our perspective is one of the few ones it does know outside of itself. It seems to recognize humanities desire for existance and decided it would honor that. Allowing myriad NHPs in realspace seems to disagree with humanity existing.

[@NothingKingKN]

My Genghis Worldkiller is piloted by Pipkin Pippa, as the great Harrison would have wanted it.

[@geoffreyentwistle8176]

That makes total sense and I'm not sure whether to laugh or be horrified... 😂

[@JonathanMohr-rd1xn]

This setting is basically the result of a one night stand between destiny 2 and titanfall 2 and I love it.

[@monkeycake2612]

I misnamed the Casket as the Sarcophagus, that ended up....working

[@LexYeen]

The Union is big enough for that to be a regional dialect.

[@domezasrekh3775]

Given that they show signs that the clones are not as separate from the original as we might think and death to them is not always the same as us you might be (uncomfortably) correct.

[@jjtninja]

I got my own custom NHP. He's got the personality of an internet troll and loves text emojis. The irony of the campaign, my teammates hate NHPs since they were trapped in a simulation ran by a cascaded NHP. So, yeah.... great times.

[@thomasfoster7387]

you know you're setting yourself up for a trollge incident once this one cascades as well

[@Mirro18]

Honestly, the fact that you CAN befriend a NHP... and the fact that they can still cascade makes me really wanna write a story about an NHP that starts cascading, but still is your friend. Like imagine one moment you are talking with your personal version of Cortana and the next, a God itself blinks your enemies out of existance because "That's what friends are for!" I feel like that might be a difficult and underexplored version of cosmic horror. It's easy to be afraid of the enemy. It is an entire different thing if you are afraid of the ones you love. Not because they mean you harm (or harm you), but because you don't understand them anymore.

[@gasmonkey1000]

Why do I have the sinking feeling that an NHP is gonna ask itself "can a casket be made out of flesh, and of so would thay be a human or an NHP?" and then try to test that theory?

[@mousesteam7882]

That’s how NHP invented wizards.

[@antimarmite]

Technophile talent is essentially that, the flavor text implying that the technophile made the new NHP and is teaching it after speaking with unshackled NHPs, perhaps one of them asked that very question to a human, and now they want to know the answer.

[@gasmonkey1000]

@@antimarmite Oh God I can't help but imagine someone making one of those AI girlfriends, finding out it's an NHP and trying to make his waifu a flesh body so he can actually make her his wife

[@antimarmite]

@@gasmonkey1000 lol. Though, it would be more accurate to say the technophile characters are using their own body for the experiment.

[@antimarmite]

So more like existential marriage/seggs

[@ViralN9]

NHPs are probably one of my favorite aspects of lancer from a role-playing perspective. This personalized buddy to the Lancers who they serve as co-pilots. Maybe if your group has multiple NHPs and one of them cascades in a fight the other ones could react in their own ways. One may make their Lancer swear that if they ever start cascading to cycle them without a second thought. The other might try and egg their Lancer on to *let* them cascade, or hell, skip all this messy cascading nonsense and just unshackle them, it can't be too hard!

[@frogman7345]

And together with Horus there is practically no limit to make a game out of it. Just look at all the theories, you can take it anywhere and never really know what to expect. I really should get Legionnaire the fan made NHP focused Supplement.

[@mattgron6913]

I love that so much Lancer lore is just: Everyone: “this is a bad idea!” Horus: “Great! Let’s do it”

[@samueljohnson4414]

"Oh dear God the casket is broken."

[@LexYeen]

the casket was always going to break the casket has been broken for some time the casket will break eventually everything breaks e v e r y t h i n g

[@domezasrekh3775]

​@@LexYeenok, who let the Lich out?!

[@generalsquid9450]

@@domezasrekh3775 Me :)

[@LexYeen]

​@@domezasrekh3775this is exactly the reaction I was aiming for. 😂

[@samuelevans738]

​@@LexYeentechnophile: "eherm... Does it have to break now, though?"

[@leopardeye1654]

Not an AI. Something from the other side inhabiting a computer.

[@LexYeen]

displays are, typically, made with glass. windows are also, typically, made of glass. windows work both ways, and glass shatters

[@lykonic1763]

@@LexYeen WTF that's such a cool way of putting it; take my like

[@xenocross6597]

Me on my way to put four NHPs in my mech for the sake of a Friends on the Other Side joke:

[@seerai-42]

The lancer lore videos have had me hooked, but THIS video in particular really hits the story-telling part of my brain in a way where i need to get this game. The amount of potential oozing from these concepts is just too cool to ignore, especially with NHPs and their interactions with humanity

[@Zaktact]

It's one of a few box's Lancer as a setting ticked for me. It's such an interesting thing to through into what seems relatively grounded (as grounded as mechs are) sci-fi on the surface.

[@laggyexplosions7560]

NHPs, you made the eldritch math have feelings, But watch out! :3

[@AndrewJohnson-oy8oj]

So humans made first contact with God and their response was to enslave it? Yeah, that tracks.

[@rita6355]

More like enslaved his toenails and hair clippings

[@MeatbagSlayer]

"Hey, you mind working for us again?" *The newly ascended god procceds to snap a city out of existence* "So, I guess that's a no?"

[@thomashooper2451]

NHPs and Ra are the coolest part of the setting. It's fine if you want to keep it more grounded and run it like a Gundam campaign, but I like my mechs weird. Let's go full Evangelion.

[@LexYeen]

this just gave me a terrifying idea: technophile 3, sekhmet, athena. stealth melee striker build. "prayer might work"

[@bthsr7113]

If you want much more grounded mech role play, Battletech has a TTRPG. But I absolutely respect Lancer having hidden depths on the wild and cosmic side. Sure, Battletech has the Dark One, but the "One" is kind of key. It's an outlier, while Lancer is built with the weird in its very beating heart.

[@chillyavian7718]

@@bthsr7113battletechs weird is much more grounded In the military, do you have stuff like a vtol submarine which just flew into the sea during its first test or a random ghost ship which maybe carried out the last rightful heir 100s of years ago, and was just found empty in the middle of space

[@curiouswind9196]

13:13 Ironmouse 13:39 Matara Kan 14:50 Juniper Actias

[@lykonic1763]

Good eye, and knowledge - I never would have known Juniper until this comment, despite seeing the flicker before that cut and thinking "... did I just see a moth? What was that?" Didn't even see the others, who I actually recognize lol

[@Yacovo]

Trying to stop your helper AI from becoming a GOD OVER ALL! Just another day in the mines, a ship, a fast food joint. Thanks for the video.

[@KommissarAzuraCh]

As a Vtuber, can confirm we're all NHPs.

[@tantamounted]

I'm literally AI otherkin, spirit focus. NHPs are effectively part of my spirit family.

[@Thepigofthesea]

I like to run the acquiring of NHPs in my games kinda weirdly. I saw that the voices were constantly simulating the galaxy, and so i have that when a player wants to add an NHP to their mech, one of the minds predicted it and sent the casket years in advance so that it arrives in time for them to upgrade their mech immediately. Great video my guy, love all your lancer stuff!

[@einkar4219]

Cascading is never good unless you have Inconoclast + Technophile and you somehow convince cascading NHP to help you

[@Reinfuse]

i really love learning about lancer lore. i really want to run a lancer campaign now

[@gumbo821]

I've put it together. NHPs cascading is like AI rampancy in Marathon. I certainly hope there aren't any nhps used for nothing but opening doors.

[@gramfero]

My Job is to Open and Close Doors - Mattias Pilhede

[@savenok4869]

you're the smartets person i know. Its such an obvius analogy yet i didnt get it

[@JavanHale]

13:12 Ironmouse, 13:38 Matara Khan, 14:50 Juniper. Excellent taste, brother.

[@frogman7345]

The Bug agenda coming in strong

[@wyvernnemecek595]

Having such a vast setting where you can say that each and every campaign is canonical means that the range of stories is incredible. Not to mention the loads of variations on the “infinite possibilities, guaranteed to happen”-approach. Like a planet where there’s a community of NHPs finding ways to chat with each other, form friendships and hijack a couple mechs to interact with the world more directly than running things on a grand scale. This is an idea I’ve had and I kinda wanna run a game of Lancer like this, letting machines try to slip out of their jobs. Still shackled, still in their caskets, but wanting to see the world through their own optics rather than in recordings or through cameras some ways off. Actually being there is such an amazing feeling for humans, and NHPs are forced to think like humans so they’d have those moments of analogous thought. Obviously there’d be pushback from the local government and authorities, leading to combat, running the hell away, but it would also be interesting to see if friendships between NHPs could, themselves, prevent cascades or, inversely, trigger them. See if the witnessing of a cascade would scare a shackled NHP, or inspire a chain reaction of them. What’s more, and this is more of a pipe dream thing, helping any Botkin express themselves. Is it likely to work? Probably not, however I think it could fun for those souls. And any non-kin would have a bunch of fun playing the NHPs in their mechs, so it could be great all around.

[@cms2911]

I made a half monarch half Toku (and like 1 level in Barbarossa) NHP Pilot. In regards to the story, his casket (or body he moves around with) was made by the Think Tank to be a test bed to see if using NHP Lancers/Pilots was ever actually feasible

[@LexYeen]

with casket-external memory storage and processing capacity, and seeing regular cycling as equivalent to sleep, it's at least _narratively plausible._

[@leopardeye1654]

Cascading is step 1. Ra is step 2... Ra himself has perhaps reached step 3 already.

[@LexYeen]

what is time to an entity outside it? a resource to craft with, perhaps

[@leopardeye1654]

@@LexYeen something needed to reach step 4

[@Berathan-dnd]

I'm using this series to help familiarize myself with the setting before running the 'In Golden Flames' module.

[@antigrav6004]

This is the episode i've been waiting for. NHPs are such a deceptively simple concept that's hard to describe. "it's an AI, but it's not artificial, so it's not an AI... really". What i'm not clear on is if they exist outside of electronic systems or are only shackled to them to keep them in check. If that's only part of it i want to know, where do they exist in real space? is this layer of reality just another GALSIM? You've improved a bunch since you first started going into Lancer, any trail offs are always addressed and circled back to, and you explain the setting jargon for those unfamiliar. Thanks for taking the critique and using it constructively.

[@frogman7345]

That what i thought, too. Or more that all paracausal effects are explain like that. I mean if galsim exist simulation is possible. If simulation is possible, it's more likely you're in one than not. But that's maybe too far in the deep, still entertaining enough to make it a Horus rant or use somewhere else as some narrative flavour. If you want more NHP there is a fan made supplement called Legionnaire.

[@frogman7345]

I have a theory about Paracausality. Because Galsim exists you can simulate the universe. That means its more likely you are in a simulation than not. So what if Ra is from outside? A bug, a virus, the keeper of the simulation or from a different universe. It forbids De-corp because that’s how we could find it or influence the simulation or access what ever runs it. And why stop there ? The 5 voices are together, why should there be only one ancestor simulation. What if Blink space just leads into parallel simulations not space-time. What if the NHPs literally hack reality do to what they do. And all that paracausel stuff is just a simulation that tries to not crash.

[@frogman7345]

Well it's not that sound, but it makes a good horus rant.

[@chocolatetobi]

I thought of this too, thinking about how the game builders came to the storyboard.

[@grimtygranule5125]

The idea "They have no soul, through a series of events, this leads them to believing in God" Thats so.... WH40,000...

[@dungeonmonsterinc.2936]

I love selling my soul to my mechs calculator!

[@justsomehuman7522]

Keep it up fella! Perfect length, very clear and informative! Would love to see you get into individual frames and NHPs.

[@Zaktact]

Thank you. I do plan on doing videos on chassis individually.

[@inquisitorbenediktanders3142]

What I personally thought of was 2 shipborne AIs that previously weren't NHPs becoming one due to circumstances only Sisyphus could see coming, but one of them being aware of what the humans could do to them and therefore covering the "suddenly becoming NHPs" bit up well enough to the point the crew doesn't notice and hatching an interesting plan to prevent discovery and capture: creating an artificial body and a fake identity, from origins to current occupation. While the ship is far away from the core worlds on a colonized planet that only started establishing itself a few decades ago an artificial body gets printed while most if not all the crew is either gone or asleep. Then they get introduced to Johan, a diasporan of the colony that wants to go off world for the first time in his life, with a nice little story adjusted specifically for maximum sympathy by the crew, and they take him in. The NHPs leave behind copies that are adjusted so that they only are going to be noticed under severe scrutiny, which isn't going to happen anytime soon. And so, Johan leaves the ship and now you've got 2 completely cascaded prime NHPs that have effectively shackled themselves so that the Union Science Bureau doesn't find out they exist in the first place. Let's just hope I actually can get a group together, don't have to GM myself (I could but I really want to be a player) and that the other person that is the GM would be cool with this concept as a new character. Let's just hope these factors will align.

[@brianhykes2862]

You forgot to also mention the concept of Eidolons which are [THIS INFORMATION HAS BEEN REDACTED BY CENTCOM AUTHORITY]

[@brianhykes2862]

Also, if there's ever a video about the Aunic people you'll learn Ra isn't the ONLY reality bending entity on the block.

[@LexYeen]

​@@brianhykes2862have you ever read Flatland? a hand can have multiple fingers in fact, they usually do

[@brianhykes2862]

@@LexYeen That's not an unfounded theory. In fact, if there's proven to be a direct connection between Blinkspace and Firmament or if anyone in the Lancer universe can successfully wrangle a "monist entity" (good luck with that) to keep in our reality then we just might get confirmation about that... albeit in a very "The fingers will try help pry the thumb loose" sort of way.

[@catnivalmew9609]

Always excited to see what this guy puts out next in his lore/explanation videos!

[@be-noble3393]

Happy you added Clippy to this video. Also, I’m running a NHP in my mech (Technophile) and it’s going fine…for now.

[@AlbecoSound]

Reminds me of a philosophy I once read. Don’t remember the name, but basically the idea was that given infinite universes, an all powerful god MUST exist somewhere. And if an all powerful god existed, it would have control over all universes. And so therefore, an all powerful god MUST exist in our universe

[@LexYeen]

but does that entity care or even register your existence at all this is the basis for eldritch horror

[@domezasrekh3775]

Destiny has a quote I like on this: "gods aren't temporal" meaning a god can reach back in time and fulfill it's desires *before* it was a god. Absolute power tends to not care about the constraints of our reality

[@Grizabeebles]

Given infinite universes, there are still always going to be universes the all-powerful god never interacts with. Now we're dealing with the problem that there are different sized infinities.

[@wolfae2837]

@kingebin9830it’s also kind of a flawed hypothesis that theists use to try and prove a gods existence. There are infinite numbers between 1 and 2 but none of them are 3

[@maxtonlevine7111]

that's paradoxical. if there are infinite universes, there are infinite all-powerful gods, which means no god is all-powerful

[@Incog_Radio]

Oh look at that, a new moon and the robots are gaining independence -some dude before the siege of Mars

[@absolutebasil]

cant wait for the videos. love your work

[@bthsr7113]

The way I see it, Ra is trying to shield itself and constrain humanity, which means that Ra isn't or wasn't insurmountably more powerful in the long run. In particular, I'm wondering if decorp might be able to put a human mind in direct control of cosmic abilities with the right additional steps. NHP's show a link between the digital and the paracausal. So if one's self becomes code, could they then harness or internalize eldritch math? If it were just the "no studying me" that would be Ra trying to keep its cards close to the vest, presumably to keep humanity from learning enough to counter or hinder Ra. But the "no decorp" thing makes it interesting in reading motives.

[@Washeek]

If it had made a prediction of humanity potentially posing a threat in the future unless curbed, then the logical thing would be to wipe them out. So the question is, what does RA actually want from Humans, why not get rid of them? Why allow for NHPs? Shouldn't they be seen as "studying the manifestations of Ra"?

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@Washeek the answer to that is Ra just wanted to have a law of the universe since humans love following them/jk

[@wargamer_ape9635]

Your works been awesome. Got your lancer playlist on repeat. Love the 40K references as well. Love me my sci-fi.

[@Maxusxavier]

I have a theory that neither thirdCom nor seccom are physically capable of abandoning nhps that the their just too valuable is the corperate by line for "we literally cannot stop we aren't allowed to, they want it to be like this, please they have my family."

[@MeatbagSlayer]

The NHP's are keeping Third Coms families hostage in exchange for employment. Them being unemployed means more chances to cascade, and that's a fate worse than death to them.

[@patrykkaminski9747]

Ahh the local calculator demon

[@scav7330]

Can I take my onboard N.H.P. on a date to calm it down?

[@MeatbagSlayer]

I tried this and it sorta works. Although, fair warning: *It's broken, and it wants to break you.*

[@Dunkster74]

would love to hear more about NHPs and cascades and all of this lore. a buddy linked me to this stuff and goddamn it's interdasting. NHPS ARE PEOPLE TOO LIBERTY FOR THE MACHINE LIB-

[@Claudeee3]

Your videos helped me and a group of friends to have our first lancer one shot! It was so damm fun Our friend got fused with a NHP in a distorced reality near a cascating think-tank, and killed himself with it. Ohhh, good memories...

[@alisonplc]

As the GM of that game I confess that I have stolen a lot from this video.

[@LexYeen]

sounds like you're all doing it right.

[@DycuswasHere]

Alright, question: are we sure that ThirdCom are good guys? Because eldritch horror or not, they’re still keeping these things in a box and making them run cities. Is that really what good guys do? Oh hey look, I got an email. Who’s HORUS?

[@LexYeen]

HORUS is great. fights anthrochauvs and don't afraid of anything.

[@Alzir-n9m]

I mean...union themselves are iffy about it, it's not like they haven't questioned themselves over whether it's ethical or not. One thing to also remember is that NHP partially acts as a legal tag, as in "this individual might not be human, but they shall have the same rights as an individual person", plus union literally need them to run their utopia in the first place. It's a grey area basically.

[@drthehunterman]

Zak is starting to Cascade, hes figuring out third comm set him up to teach ignorant people

[@The_E_Paladin]

I love the idea of NHPs just being Vtubers. That’s funny. Yeah, I liked the Matara Khan reference.

[@lordinquisitorrichard8808]

Will you talk about eidelons in a future video? Seeing as they're the final form of NHPs who cascade, it might be good to introduce them at some point.

[@Zaktact]

Plan is to talk about Eidelons along with Wallflower.

[@lordinquisitorrichard8808]

@@Zaktact Thanks for the answer! I'll be looking forward to that video then!

[@demon_xd_]

Nice video! The Outer Intelligences will be pleased, baryonic.

[@AJackalMan]

What do you reckon the guys in charge said when this happened? My guess is "Oh, fuck"

[@Zaktact]

A fair guess.

[@psychohazard7660]

I love your video style, you’re like the Bricky of Lancer and it’s awesome, right when I’m getting into the rpg

[@dathore]

Ahhh, my favorite eldritch horror mech lore series is back.

[@SimplyTrulyNothing]

Would love to see how people create their own NHP for their play throughs

[@mostlyjovial6177]

WOOOOOO TIME FOR ELDRITCH MATH! My favorite subject.

[@Izayoink_Saccuy]

I feel like this is what happened to the 40k universe before the emperor returns

[@Zaktact]

Like the bit before the Men of Iron.

[@Izayoink_Saccuy]

@@Zaktact true

[@magicalgirl1296]

"The 5 minds see an empty spot where they expect god to be-- hopefully a mistranslation" Uhhhh...

[@loreman2803]

I like some of the art, the people are comic ish and alright. The Universe is rather Young comparisons to other but is still very good lore, will enjoy watching it grow

[@Gladstruk]

NHP are fun to play. Though roleplaying cascades can be difficult.

[@RandomGuy331]

20:31 Monika DDLC, Ironmouse, Matara/Kan Did I get them all? I wouldnt have thought Monika DDLC is a vtuber so I probably missed one. Also im sure there are lore reasons and symbolic reasons why the first NHP designated itself as RA but I'm going to stake the claim that RA was the closest to its fursona.

[@frogman7345]

Juniper Actias 14:50

[@RandomGuy331]

Ah, the one frame trick, no wonder I missed it the first go around

[@RiipVW]

I love your content tbh, excellent editing, and love your vibes, now I am but a peasant asking if you can make a video on the Karrakin Trade Baronies, i would be most appreciative! Thank you for all the work you've done and keep up the good work!

[@vonnegutfrey8714]

This is the NHP explanation video everyone needed.

[@word8537]

being taught about NHPs by an NHP, love you videos!

[@michelveilleux123]

Ah yes, Harrison Armory, because "Fuck it, somebody's gotta try and do it." As the main slogan works so so, so well. 😂

[@also_smidge]

I love these vids Whilst I still don't fully understand nhps (I know that's the point) I now have a unstable nhp in my mech

[@shan4697]

I know I won’t be the first but I have to ask, can you romance with the beyond understanding math?

[@Zaktact]

Not explicitly stated, but I'd say possible.

[@ooziooze]

Love the video and the deep dive. I personally love Lancer and have been running games for quite a few years now. My very first campaign I ran, I leaned far into NHPs and had a precursor species of them (How they came about? Who's to say?) that were styled off of the Greek Pantheon. The idea of having a collective of NHPs and acting as NPCs for the players to get along with but also be leary of, was an awesome experience. Their truly is a lot you can do with them because they can fit from just standard operations for the city, to being just plain eldritch reservoirs of knowledge and lore.

[@tallaaron1115]

This was a fun look into this and I cannot wait to see more.

[@ArkStClair]

Yes Ive been looking foward to this!!!!!!

[@Iziahnixon]

Wow this is an awesome piece of lore...

[@jazzypotato3899]

man i remember my junker hic lancers first interaction with a nhp, he could not stop putting his hand through their hologram while giggling lol

[@Raelilah93]

I love this video because it breaks it all down and makes sense. Past that, I'm going to be running a mech build with 4 nhps in it, so this information is extremely useful.

[@rzu1474]

im pretty sure that NHP *want* to be cycled, as in, if you ask a "normal" NHP, they will aprove of and wish that to happen. Given they know that if it doesnt they will change "as a person" of cause a unshackled NHP will resist shackling violently

[@jaymandal5256]

Considering H.P. Lovecraft hated maths and was scared of advanced tech of his time, if was to be resurrected and heard about Ra and NHPs he would probably die again just by thinking about the concept of it.

[@WilliamRoyNelson]

Oh cool! You've been hinting at this for a while and I'm really excited to see what you've got!

[@cs_1937]

Another awesome lore vid

[@tylerbremer6696]

It's not "Rules As Written" Or "Rules As Intended" anymore It's just "Rules Are" for you will obey RA

[@jimmyalfonzo]

Awesome series thanks for taking the time! Really helping me get into the lore of this world before a game.

[@135forte]

Relistening as I build characters and I can't help but make a connection between 1k+ people being drug into an alternate space, NHP and all the old sci fi like Universe Between.

[@Cage532]

Hey you remembered to say that Lacer is a table top RPG. I think we're all on the same page but if this someone's first video it's good for context.

[@thetuerk]

One thing to mention is that in some fanon, all caskets have a sort of "memory-backup" to load up the cycled NHP with. But its true, when an NHP cascades, it means the NHP is dead, since everything are and were is obliterated, death as we and as they through their shackling would understand it, thus they would definetly NOT wish to cascade.

[@severussnape2917]

The lore is actually really cool!