Psychedelics For Non-Dual Integration (w/Mira Funk, LCSW)

[@geoffreylevens9045]

Must admit my first though about "non-binary therapist" was just what was mentioned, I'm cis-male, old guy, so not for me. But within a few minutes of listening to the experience conversation (found that one first) and sort of feeling the vibe, if I lived anywhere within striking distance (geographically and financially), Mira would be hearing from me with a request for guidance. Fascinating stuff throughout both videos. Thanks to you both!

[@ZDoggMD]

❤️❤️❤️

[@johnpienta4200]

@@geoffreylevens9045 When I was in medical school I was required to attend several AA meetings, to see what community support resources look like. I'm not religious but did have some concept of spirituality at the time. I really didn't like the model AA used and I thought it was going to be very religious and preachy (I had heard horror stories of essentially forcing people into religious conversions from several people who had experienced this first hand). I got to the meeting hall and the guy who was in charge looked very haggard and, while I was open to listening to him thought: what can this guy who's been a welder his whole life teach me? He spoke simply about how finding your own truth to the steps, and doing it in a good community was the way out of the cycle of misery. That's what it's for and that's how you do it. I was blown away. Isn't it amazing how the things we think would most separate us can be the things that can move the needle?

[@downtownjb100]

I don't doubt the sincerity of Mira and other practitioners, but I'm really blown away by the price tag on these experiences. It saddens me that many of the people who need this retreat the most will never be able to afford it. It's a huge barrier of entry. Even in this sacred space, capitalism is the rule of the game.

[@sharpcanines3347]

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[@liberated_AF]

Of course it is. What would you expect? Capitalism commercialises everything and invents spirituality and things to cover up. Seekers become a commodity for those apparently selfless, loving, etc. facilitators. It's so poignant that it's so hard to see. If there is any awakening, it is an awakening out of all this bs.

[@JessicaBourelle]

My favourite episode you have done yet. Thank you for the vulnerability you have both shared. ❤

[@FeeFiFoFumFeeFiFo]

Unreal! What a resource. As always, thanks for being so vulnerable, ZDogg!

[@kinddate]

You are a stud ZDogg! Thanks for doing the bushwhacking with Mira! Rock on people. Aum

[@ZDoggMD]

Mira did all the heavy lifting 🔥

[@heath3546]

Great discussion and in-depth analysis and personal expression.

[@darkoivanovic82]

Super treat indeed! Can't remember if I ever watched a video this long while savoring every minute of it. Thank you!

[@angeladupuis4489]

Shoveling horse poo was a turning point for my perpetually disassociated son. He was newly 10 at the time, now 13. Still with the horses and continuing to integrate into the world and life as it is without the preoccupations. Scoop poop, carry water, one moment at a time 😊 we’ve journeyed together and what a painful beautiful gift 🙏

[@jamesreling]

Somehow 4 hours didn’t feel like enough! Such a rich discussion, thanks!

[@johnpienta4200]

19:00 This is very important. Even thoughts are empty of inherent meaning. Thoughts are thus just as much of an experience as anything else. Far too often thoughts are treated, both explicitly, and implicitly, by the spiritual world, as almost a special kind of evil. There are even some very prominent, awakened, teachers who hold anti-intellectual views and teach from a position of the superiority of rising above thought.

[@Jade33]

There is so much here, have to rewind and listen again and again. ❤thank you both!!!

[@demogadget]

Leo Gura - 5 Meo malt

[@snookums475]

Fantastic discussion. And it reaffirms my gratitude for having found a wonderful local plant medicine facilitator. I’ve only had one difficult experience and that was when I tried it on my own… never again.

[@johnpienta4200]

47:00 This is excellent. Y'all are dancing around the concept of "Vipashayna" essentially: Contact awake space, or the emptiness of all things/sense fields and the unitive nature of that awake space, and then use that as the object of "focused/concentrated" meditation. Very beautiful, and it side steps that potential drawback of accidentally using traditional "vipassana" instructions as "focus on this and suppress/ignore/etc whatever else arises"

[@TheDogzBody]

Really interesting conversation. So all the people that say they don’t suffer having awakened are lying??

[@Muzefun]

Definitely setting aside 4 hours to listen!

[@angeladupuis4489]

Shoveling horse poo was a turning point for my perpetually disassociated son. He was newly 10 at the time, now 13. Still with the horses and continuing to integrate into the world and life as it is without the preoccupations. Scoop poop, carry water, one moment at a time 😊 we’ve journeyed together and what a painful, beautiful gift 🙏 lawyers investigating his trauma at the federal level, therapists, teachers all ask “if you could tell your younger self anything or change anything for your younger self, what would it be?” His answer ever.single.time is “nothing, it happened as it was supposed to. To change it would take away the necessary experience” 🤯 can’t wait to keep listening!!!

[@johnpienta4200]

2:57:30 This is a critical distinction. Any thing that can be made into a duality could be seen as then having a not-duality, or non-duality. So I think a lot of the time Mira says non-duality and is talking about a unified experience, the dropping of distinction of self and other. Then it's all one big thing (that's not a thing). This seems to me to be the (5-MeO type described). The Salvia type is sorta a layer deeper because this is the duality between anything and nothing. Or perhaps, canonically, "form and emptiness". There's an interesting implication in here: if mind and body are unified in one experience then there should be a way for them to be unified, no matter how they present ie: brain fog, illness, brain damage, etc.

[@Muzefun]

I definitely had a psylocibin experience when I did a group Holotropic Breathing Workshop!

[@jessieP12]

How are there no comments on a 4 hour video? I’ll be back when it’s over.

[@jessieP12]

I’m going to take advantage of no comments and hope you actually see this. Are there ramifications against your medical license? Obviously you’re not going to get high and go to work but we can’t even use medical marijuana. How long does it stay in your urine and is there a potential for an issue. I’m guessing probably not or you wouldn’t be so public about it but I wanted to ask anyway.

[@ZDoggMD]

Answered on the other video, thanks!

[@sharpcanines3347]

Where is the link to Alok, thanks.

[@Cristinabadias17]

This is the best video I ever seen ❤❤❤❤ thank you both!

[@JAMANIJAMANI]

Someone enlighten me: when Mira says 'I can't trip, I can't trip!!', over and over again. Is the goal here to 'trip' or use this 'medicine' to heal! This all sounds like another very risky open-ended tripping fix.

[@irenaprokopenko9977]

Hi Mira, regarding western philosophy- we thought the same But recently came across Centering prayer And Father Keating It has changed my perspective a bit Very similar to Easter meditation.

[@snookums475]

Also I can have thar direct experience of non dual awareness as you’re guest describes it just by smoking pot… but only if I’m not using it regularly. So the idea of the most powerful entheogen is something I kind of laugh about…I’ve done 5meo ect ect, but the only time I ended up in the emergency ward was when I lemon tecked 4.5 grams of Golden Teachers. And it’s definitely not something I’d want to experience again!

[@downtownjb100]

This conversation gets so goofy. It goes from non-duality and no self, the root of which is non-identifying. Then to how she identifies as non-binary. How nobody can even compliment her because it's considered weaponized. No wonder there is no end to the suffering. Identifying leads to suffering. Maybe cut it out. "I'm going to wear a beard and a dress, but don't make that the focus! Don't even mention it!" Wtf are we doing here? Does anyone see it? If you can't even be complimented on an accessory, how are you qualified to lead others out of their misaligned thinking?

[@TheDogzBody]

I wouldn’t want a random person to compliment me in the supermarket because it made him feel good. What I understood her to be saying is that everyone should get over a binary focus on gender and just see people as people.

[@JE-im5nh]

interesting discussion. one note: saying "pharmahausca" is not disrespectful. give me a break 🙄

[@KaiPrice-u2u]

Boofing bufo? 😂

[@Wendy-xe4gk]

You've gone off the deep end my friend. Are you better off today than you were before the psychedelics? Are you a better father? A better friend or husband? I think you're really stretching it to say that these are medicines. I did LSD a few times when I was young (among other things). I would hardly call it medicine.

[@dvdmon]

But do you always extrapolate your own experience to everyone and assume that everyone must have the same results, and the same motives for doing them as you do? But yes, he did go off the deep end, and then he came back out. He didn't stay in a psychedelic state permanently, but apparently gained a lot from the experience. The fact that you didn't doesn't seem relevant. Not everyone is the same and your mileage may vary. Obviously it wasn't for you, and I don't think he is trying to promote it as an option for everyone, rather he's saying that this is a very serious step to take and one shouldn't do these frivolously and without a lot of support. When you did your LSD I'm guessing that it was on your own and/or with friends, not with an experienced clinician. These are very different situations, and you are/were a very different person than Zubin is now. Blanket statements of X = "bad" (all the time in every context) seem a bit narrow-minded...

[@johnpienta4200]

@@Wendy-xe4gk a medication is merely a chemical that is used in the diagnosis, treatment, prevention, or cure of a disease. (And I'm legitimately sorry for starting off a comment with a definition because it can be so pretentious) There's an impressive amount of literature before Nixon's ban in America that showed how effective these medications can be for enormous amounts of mental health disorders. There are also some very impressive recent studies which are essentially showing the same things which Western medicine discovered half a century ago and many ancestral people's have known for millennia. I certainly can't speak for Zubin to the answers of your questions but know first hand that in the right framework these medications can save lives, and change lives massively for the better. But at the end of the day, like all meds there are serious considerations that must be taken.

[@downtownjb100]

It's the intentions that are set. You didn't have the intention or the wisdom to benefit from that experience at the time