Man City Is Pretending It Won

[@Dharcness]

Let's just declare city to be free of any wrong doing and drop all charges. And deduct 115 points off Everton instead.

[@hareyblack]

If we let these clubs off so lightly where's the incentive to stop breaking the rules? Deduct Everton 1000 points (per season)

[@q2yogurt]

don't forget penalty for Real Madrid

[@ICE-Rouge]

😭

[@Othraerir]

nah just put man city into administration

[@PolishKuba459]

And to show that it has a big impact on sports in general 500 second penalty for Ocon

[@mikkysteaders]

Everton are simply there to prevent themselves from getting another points deduction. And for that……. 30pts deduction to Everton.

[@Aeolus_ca]

Atp = adenosine tri phosphate

[@alvuigi_07]

It is the main source of energy for cells

[@OnnumMuttaiyum]

​@@alvuigi_07 it's not a source but rather a conduit, a chemical which can transfer energy. And there's so much ATP in the body. However the source is the food we eat

[@kieronparr3403]

High school science has entered the chat

[@hsjshdhsjshsh958]

A* for you fella

[@fairphoneuser9009]

Association of Tennis Professionals☝️

[@HonestTom1892]

The lawyers are the real winners.

[@gaffer2602]

*lawyers' bank accounts

[@symby_oz9533]

They always are.

[@Billiamwoods]

What's this comment even saying? I get people don't like lawyers, but why are they the "real winners" in any way here other than they get paid for doing work. Like, yeah, lawyers do law.

[@hamsred12hams]

This

[@jon-michaelharris5840]

Billable hours is undefeated

[@whizzy_]

aw man, I should've kept on watching instead of binning all my eggs

[@MrSamWilson1]

City's owners would rather burn the Premier League to the ground than concede an inch on any of this

[@Z130U]

As they should

[@TOlp-oe3fp]

@Z130U Naw

[@ivandankob7112]

@@Z130Uwhy, lol?

[@Z130U]

@@ivandankob7112 so they should just bend down to a corrupt league and take it?

[@theletsplayer4921]

​@@ivandankob7112if the leuge burns the prems done wrong

[@benjaminsvensk-armstrong9106]

The win for City is thus - it is illegal for rules to be retrospectively imposed on loans, hence sponsorships that were rejected during that period can now be engaged with. If refused, or if said deals cannot be resurrected, City can sue for the losses they have incurred from the rules not being applied evenly. Furthermore the potential for further expensive litigation every time a deal is rejected has been green lit: the process of evaluating deals has been found to be opaque and imprecise, and hence subject to debate.

[@pulleyfm8585]

It's also a direct attack on the way a lot of investment is done in clubs and specifically Manchester United's current model. When you have one partner in a group investment that wants to invest more money into the club to build or buy things but do not want to change ownership shares you do it with a loan to the club. By providing a 0% interest loan the ownership shares don't change but the individual that does the loan can invest and get their money back once the club is sold off. This makes Manchester United's stadium plans nearly impossible now if that rule change goes into effect

[@tryCharlie]

It wasn't opaque and imprecise. It was an idiot that did not send the response on time from EPL's side. That's so important to remember. So human error is the reason they won one out of two points they won out of 25. The thing now is - check who are you reading and where. Very easily to identify which payroll it is - PL or City cause as much as legal vomit that we see is still... valid in legal perspective - the shit journalists are spewing - God forbid them touching keyboards again.

[@achilles1.0]

I think that's a misinterpretation of the ruling. The inclusion of shareholder loans under the sponsorship rules is completely separate from any sponsorship deals, and since interest-free loans were allowed under the rules (as voted on by the clubs), no shareholder loans were ever rejected. The rules CAN and will be applied retrospectively on sponsorship deals. Agree that the fair market value evaluation has been found lacking in transparency, but there's no room for debate - the parts that need to be public and/or disclosed upfront are made clear to the PL.

[@benjaminsvensk-armstrong9106]

@@achilles1.0 The ruling is, that it is illegal to not consider those loans under fair value assessments, while doing so for the sponsorships. Ergo the FA must either A. retrospectively apply new, yet to be written rules that include loan (which would also be illegal) B. Rescind judgements on past rejected sponsorships (actionable particular if clubs can no longer successfully negotiate for those deals) C. Nothing (also actionable) Many people are overlooking that the very fact that loans weren't subject to assessment, while sponsorships were, means the application of the latter was illegal, at that time.

[@fpsoccer9791]

​@@benjaminsvensk-armstrong9106 Sorry, as a City fan I want to better understand the hole my club has dug itself into. I'm confused as to what loans have to do in this situation. I thought the issue was that City was found to be inflating the value of sponsorships to increase revenue and therefore they could spend more?

[@Renegade76892]

"Pretending to win" yet the pl is having an emergency meeting next week, City was only challenging the latest ammended rule not atp as a whole or the "newcastle rule" since you know the newest rule was put in 5 days after the newcastle takeover (coincidence? I think not) and was brought forward by 11 clubs in an email trying to stop companies in the "gulf region" so discrimination there as well. Reports suggesting City can sue for loss of revenue but they "pretended to win" Even Martin Zeagler who hates city has reported city won the case Reports saying the clubs opposing City are disappointed with the outcome but city are "pretending to win" Richard Masters dropped out of a golf event he was supposed to be at last min...doesnt sound like city are pretending to win to me. City didnt need to win everything just one thing was enough to look at this as a win for City. As far as 115 goes no it doesnt have much to do with that but its a HUGE blow for a side who lost to Leicester, just pretty much lost to City in this case while trying to prove City committed fraud on a massive scale which theyll never be able to prove with a million lawyers on their side. The pl is crumbling and anyone who thinks city is finished might wanna get their head checked.

[@hiphappy1292]

Thank you. It's not just me. Even the media was all in on Man City winning and from what I read I thought "no they didn't" Lol

[@maxl.b.m.y.g.5918]

Take a shot every time he says ATP instead of APT

[@HappyCodingZX]

So basically, guy gets caught, policeman fills out the paperwork incorrectly, guy is now innocent and sues the police.

[@Ballotubie]

Well no. Guy buys new car, guy wants to change colour of car, police hastily puts rules in place that prevents changing any colour of cars

[@Geo-nw9ug]

@@Ballotubiethe car was bought with monopoly money😂😂be quiet sheikhy fan

[@Ballotubie]

@@Geo-nw9ug Has no relevance at all🤡Just say you hate arabs you racist pos

[@HappyCodingZX]

...which the guy voted in favour of.

[@Ballotubie]

@@Geo-nw9ug zero correlation

[@kenthodder6333]

City basically jacked up 25 really poor contested 3 point shots, made 2 of them, then started walking around and telling everyone they're better than Steph Curry.

[@benjaminsvensk-armstrong9106]

@@kenthodder6333 not really, its more like the league betting against City to make said 3-pointer: it doesn't matter if they shoot once or a hundred times; if they make the shot, they win the bet.

[@enidtaric3679]

"This all started because I got really good at FM". I have problem with these self-proclaimed masters of the game. I was ranting about the same thing on the other channels too. Yes, you create great content (that's why we are here for) but being good FM streamer/youtuber doesn't make you the best player. Buddy you can't even win against your friends. So that sums it up. Much love Z.

[@dusty2399]

dammsgaard is wilding out here

[@samitovv]

😮

[@virtualtrainspottinglive]

Everton's co-owner and guy who might potentially buy out the club is a huge believer in the multi-club model and owns Lyon amongst others. So that might explain why they want to destroy the rules that prevent inflated for sales between sister clubs

[@nyfkieren17]

technical you still right but I would like to point out that that Roma owner is the one currently buying Everton

[@ringleaders10820A]

Textor isn't going to buy everton. Even if friedkin falls through, it'd be ridiculously unlikely.

[@ringleaders10820A]

And he's not Evertons co-owner, he's Palace's co-owner, and there's been no serious negotiations for him to sell that stake

[@mikoajcieplik5607]

it's actually good that City actively fights and defends ---> after this case, Premier League or any other institution will be able to adjust & further bullet-proof any rules and laws for the future, so they can avoid it

[@Slimmeyy]

5 second penalty to Ocon.

[@DubberRucks]

I'm here just for Z's "LOANS!" song to be put on a shirt lol start a wave of Zealand faces walking round town singing it out! 🤣

[@mismisimognomo101]

ayyy, Zealandism late night bangers are life fuel, ty papi ! 🖤

[@mrbigbrain236]

Zealand is pretending he ran

[@Noah_Arsenal]

City should sing the loans song in court 🤣 😂

[@paulocezardinizjunior346]

City never voted for the APT rules changes, they abstained. Also city is not arguing the APT rules itself, city is arguing the unfairness of the rules. Even if APT were to be completely removed, teams would not be able to inflate sponsorships because UEFA has a ATP of themselves.

[@meelooxavier6502]

18:54 I was waiting for that 😂

[@Touchpadse]

You run 18 miles? Pfft come back when you've run 18 Scandinavian miles

[@MGG__25]

Definitely need a follow up on the breakfast

[@AlexVenthem]

take a drink every time zealand says APT

[@andybrockbank3027]

APT - Associated Party Transactions

[@nathannyul6080]

Omar Marmoush is still waiting for his appreciation

[@moonrust4939]

THERE IS STILL HOPE LADS 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@bnlbnlbnl]

Thank you bro I was NOT reading that shit

[@quandary23]

8:34 egg analogy straight out of an intro to philosophy course

[@Rossoneri2]

They did win, this means nothing unless they're made an example and we know that isn't going to happen

[@jamaalsjourney]

Ah a new dose of Zealandism

[@ayeready6050]

Zealand pretending to be impartial when it comes to Scottish football. #caleythistleinthemud

[@Sizdothyx]

"Yes, yes, well done Everton ... HOWEVER"

[@Brandon-qd2lb]

We want World Cup qualifiers talk!!

[@CallumWatson-p2l]

Do we really

[@rucdoc]

a run for the city, and a run for you

[@SimonWakefieldUK]

I may be wrong but I'm fairly sure shareholder loans weren't included because they don't fully impact PSR. £30mill a year of any investment/loan goes into PSR and can be used on the playing squad but anything more is separate from the football side and can be used for infrastructure and the likes that is excluded from PSR. The likes of Etihad could have pumped as much as they wanted into City if they were investing in the infrastructure but that doesn't help City's owners who want more money to spend on players and wages so it needs to go in as sponsorship. All including shareholders loans does is make it impossible for clubs to fund training ground and stadium improvements without spending a decade or so syphoning money from the football side to fund it

[@kevinmack9980]

Respect on the 18 miles!

[@roddyscott9498]

Interesting to see Everton hitching their wagon to the City - Chelsea - Toon Cartel.

[@kaushalshetty522]

its APT (Associated Party Transactions), not ATP (which i think is the Tennis players union?)

[@YuuArgay]

Zealand your EST guys can’t keep staying up until 3 AM to watch your massive forehead

[@tobiasengstrom8061]

I'm also excited for tomorrows breakfast :)

[@copious983]

almost covered that spot

[@BlueWoWTaylan]

When you have Chelsea-Newcastle and Man City on one side, you know that side is in the wrong with what they wanna do. And Everton...wtf are you doing over there?

[@kerolokerokerolo]

I'm happy Manchester City won the trial.

[@makenziestancer146]

3 way versus and its likely tomfm or like clayts or summin

[@itsallrigged7295]

That’s all they can do How this trial goes says a lot about the premier league If city are allowed to just get away with it all no team is gonna take them seriously again

[@Nluages]

18 miles ? Will that be enough for a marathon ?

[@PhilliesNostalgia]

The tribunal awarded partial victories to both sides, it is unfair to say that 100% of the verdicts went either way, yes

[@Swedishfinnpolymath]

Interesting I have a friend with whom I went to elementary school in Helsinki. He has studied political science at Strasbourg university and he is dating a lawyer specialising in sports finance. I should see if she would be interested in having a look at this. I believe this is way above your paygrade. The City owners have run the club well.

[@achoo7868]

They have run it very well but modt likely against the rules

[@lukemerrick3652]

Didn’t know ATP was so hard to say

[@tomo8235]

that lea everton fan account is purley just a rage bait account do not take what they say as an opinion of a everton fan

[@tonyguyan9559]

Kind of find saying Everton being the odd one out a bit insulting considering they are about to change ownership with the Friedkin Group acquiring ownership of Everton. The deal will see Everton completely debt free with huge big hitters on the horizon in acquiring investment within the club. If anything this means with these ATP rules being challenged Everton have as much to gain from it as Man City, Newcastle & Chelsea & if you’re a new owner in a club then you want to throw your weight behind if it means getting more money into the club via sponsorship deals that won’t be knocked back by the Premier League.This means Everton could get more money into naming rights of Bramley-Moore Docks Stadium without it being challenged by the Premier League as not being market value. So with heavy investment looming on the horizon Everton have as much right to challenge the Premier League then Man City, Chelsea & Newcastle do. Concerning the loans it was agreed under the FFP rules club owners were allowed to loan their clubs money up to a certain amount a year. So now the Premier League are throwing their toys out the pram cos the clubs are abusing this and now want this closed so they have more reason to challenge the likes of Man City etc and probably continue to bully Everton.

[@roddyscott9498]

I think Everton are being smart here - they know that with the new stadium, new owners things are about to change massively for them in the right direction and will seek to have "ill scratch your back if you scratch my back" support from 3 very wealthy clubs.

[@Jpcraque]

19:42 now i want to know who "deby" is???? Plz Zeeland?

[@mrtom2854]

6:21 describing Lea as an Everton fan account is a bit of a stretch. She is a notorious troll who many Evertonians believe is actually a Liverpool fan tweeting the most insane shit imaginable to make Everton look bad.

[@lolumo]

A dictator lies and pretends that he's won, a group of people that benefit from this blindly agree. I think I have seen this dance before, and not just once

[@Ballotubie]

Like the concept of FFP right?

[@TOlp-oe3fp]

@Ballotubie Oh no! I can’t unfairly spends billions on players😓

[@Ballotubie]

@@TOlp-oe3fp White club owner spending: 😀 Brown club owner spending:😡

[@derelict06]

@@Ballotubiethis is one of the points City lost on, that they were singled out. It’s not true, and I suppose if you’re so pea brained and corrupt that’s the best you can come up with … says a lot about you

[@LuminousJay94]

​@Ballotubie No one cares about the colour of your skin, makes you no worse or better than anyone else, got nothing to do with your capabilities, skill level or make you entitled to anything, please just shut up and keep it in the football.

[@akunwanneprosper7016]

If you breakdown the 115 charges, you'll know that Man City is beating at least 50% of them 😂 😂 😂 😂

[@TOlp-oe3fp]

And losing 50% of them is still pretty bad😂

[@leomendoza450]

Not sure what your buddy can do but have his wife get back to us ASAP….we all await the outcome of Z vs. the commenter

[@q2yogurt]

when I lie in court it's a crime but when City lawyers lie in court it's no biggie innit

[@n0body550]

What lie?

[@LiftandCoa]

Yeah. How old are you?

[@Geo-nw9ug]

@@n0body550?

[@DilapidatedBridge]

​@@n0body550 the lies that he literally read out from city's website? Were you here to watch the same video everyone else did?

[@francesoxberry6816]

Calling Clearlake 'Clearvue' (UK pregnancy test) is an underrated funny because its a surefire way to tell you're about to have a load of kids.

[@alistairmonro]

They did win

[@Tderesse]

i think you got the title wrong sir

[@willjones1113]

Why would u keep eggs in a fridge?

[@bbartk3]

I think in USA they sell eggs that are washed, so need to be kept in fridge.

[@n0body550]

@@bbartk3Yes, correct, theres a protective lining the helps preserve the egg but Americans was them off and they spoil quickly if not refrigerated

[@xander7551]

Zealand i love you but 23-2 is certainly getting ripped up 😂

[@easy8237]

Pretend? No. They have won.

[@TOlp-oe3fp]

No… They didn’t lmfao

[@gvlgoals]

Everton are clearly doing this out of spite for every way the PL drug the club through the mud last season. Also, Lea EFC is a troll. Dude is moron and not worth citing.

[@telephonic]

Lance Armstrong FC.

[@Ballotubie]

Ironic

[@felixwinkler6450]

If the argument is "We don't know the fair market value, so we have to be told what kind of money we can get from our sponsors", isn't that admitting that they don't operate as an actual football club under normal market rules? I mean, we all know this and that's why the rules exist in the first place, but can't this admission be used against them?

[@salexa171]

Yes Z

[@lorenzomartinez8543]

Ouch. I think Z should have talked to a lawyer for this one. First, City did not challenge the existence of the APT rules -- only the PL's amendments to them. Seems like a big thing to miss, no? Second, calling this a PL win because only *some* of its rules are illegal is quite baffling.Yeah, City didn't get the moon and the sky that it asked for in its complaint, that's how these things often work. 10 of 11!!

[@Journey22405]

Ouch I think you should read the whole thing.

[@benjaminsvensk-armstrong9106]

The suggestion that a mistake on the spreadsheets, for the adjudication of £million deals, is frankly disingenuous and quite ludicrous. Even if it were true, and hence not a purposeful tipping of the scales, it undermines the entire process.

[@goode612]

I am the mayor of running city, and you are not a resident buddy. Go run.

[@isaac15752]

everton etc these teams only get punished cus they DONT have money, meaning, they cant pay off ppl to ignore their crimes

[@bimosatriyotid6061]

Everton is rich bro, if you said stockport is not rich then i'd believe you

[@isaac15752]

@@bimosatriyotid6061 evertoon are rich comparative to the rest of non premier league europe, they were point deducted becaause they spend MORE than what they could

[@ringleaders10820A]

Zealand, you of all people should know not to cite Lea's tweets in a serious discussion. You've made whole videos about their nonsense before.

[@Mr_Gerry]

City shitting on the red cartels is always a W

[@F1Krazy]

But they haven't though, that's the entire point of the video

[@blundermoth4720]

are, they

[@TechieJordan]

Just let us get sent down 3 divisions and call it a day, it’s all bs and annoying drama

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

Man City did win

[@maxderdax6117]

Has anyone who says man city are guilty read actually understood the charges or is it just because they have a quilty vibe 😂

[@gaffer2602]

If they say it's 115 charges, then they haven't. There are 130 charges, 115 is a wrong number originally reported by Sky

[@Icarus07c]

Really it's just common fucking sense lad

[@octavianpopescu4776]

It's up for the court/committee/whatever to decide, but if they are legit guilty, then they would need to be punished according to the rules. No free passes, no going easy on them. If they're not guilty, then they should be left alone. Do they have a guilty vibe? Absolutely, but it's still up to the proper authorities to decide.

[@Torauth]

I dunno, the stuff about Mancini and other players getting extra salaries with external companies sounds pretty bad. Imagine other clubs with rich owners like Stoke and Newcastle just buying up all the talent and having their player salaries entirely covered by "affiliated" companies - this completely defeats the point of FFP. That's why City have been accused of repeatedly "cooking the books", and then when the EPL have come to investigate City have repeatedly lied over and over again. That's why they're being charged, and as much as I hate FIFA, the EPL and all these governing bodies, trying to pretend that (if these allegations are true) don't constitute "foul play" by Man City is just plain bias.

[@argy7526]

some of the charges include faking economic doccuments wich if true your oil club is cooked (city was claiming to make more than real madrid, utd and barcelona whilst barely competing in the ucl and having a small fanbase gl disproving them) and the easiest to prove/disprove is refusing to cooperate wich even if all the other charges are false will give city a punishment

[@akunwanneprosper7016]

This case will probably reach 2026 😂 😂 😂 But man City will reduce the punishment drastically

[@veldrensavoth7119]

0:50 how are you playing football manager enough to be actually good, Recording and Running and buy groceries like honestly, you filibuster to long

[@p.j.wilkins1321]

Ahh, ok. So you ran YESTERDAY. Good enough, then. I'll never bring it up again.

[@daviebananas1735]

This is showing how laymen do not understand legal procedures. City DID win here. It’s beyond doubt. And I’m absolutely NOT a city fan. Legal proceedings are not a scoring points system. This will change how football is governed in relation to affiliated parties. The idea that only winning ALL parts of the case is a victory is absurd.

[@mnm1273]

Losing 92% of your claims is a failure. City tried to counter-attack, and it hasn't achieved what it wanted. The case will go on without much trouble.

[@Veaseify]

@@mnm1273 'Losing 92% of your claims is a failure' the point of making all of those claims is to give yourself a chance of at least some of them being upheld. As soon as you get ONE win in a case like this it puts the Plaintiff (City) at an advantage. It is exactly why the PL have 115 charges against City in the other case, they know the vast majority of them will be thrown out but they only need a few of them to stick to get the result they want.

[@mnm1273]

@@Veaseify One of City's wins is to allow them to know "fair market value" that's not some massive result that'll change their case. They clearly overestimated the number of arguments that would succeed, a 92% failure rate isn't normal. Person injury cases that go to court have a success rate of 50%. And if you include settlements, it goes to 75%. 79% of criminal cases that go to court in the US are won by the prosecution. 91,4% if you include cases that didn't go to trail (plead guilty or case dismissed). By comparison, an 8% success SUCKS. PS: I know those aren't the best numbers to compare, I'd love to find the stats for multi accusation cases, but they're not the norm 20+ accusations is a crazy number and I think those kinds of cases usually end with a plea deal

[@koolaid.father]

this is the football version of the OJ Simpson police chase

[@harrywright6085]

run more big boy

[@suhaasbhat8736]

Ah Zealand hating on City. Nothing new.

[@clementdebauve6467]

Everyone hate city, no?

[@tmbgunner]

Accurately reporting the legal proceedings isn't hating?

[@anonymousinternetaddict]

​@@clementdebauve6467I thought we were too small and irrelevant to be hated?

[@peoplelikefrank]

Ah, another crybaby…. Criticizing is not hating.

[@Yaravae]

​@@peoplelikefrank criticising what? Something positive for "smaller" clubs to be able to compete with the likes of man u and somehow "man city's pretending like they won" that's just blatant hate

[@ryanlilwiz]

What is the Everton fan talking about when they say red cartels. I'm pretty sure if they where part of some cartel, Man Utd wouldn't have been crap since Sir Alex left, Liverpool would spend more than £2.50 each transfer window and arsenal would have done something other than occasionally finish above spurs. Now let's look at the blue clubs shall we.... man city are financial cheats, Everton have been in trouble for breaking the rules by not disclosing their spending properly and Chelsea have been spending billions it seems every year. What a crazy statement from the Everton fan. I hope they get relegated this season.

[@Billiamwoods]

Please don't associate our club with LeaEFC none of us like her 😭

[@keithwhittaker]

Lea has a rep😂

[@Ballotubie]

Go look at the leaked email from the APT case and see why they refer to certain clubs as the red cartel

[@ryanlilwiz]

@@Billiamwoods ah I see. A bit like Liverpool's anfield agenda or Chelsea's Rory Jennings then, just saying stuff to get a reaction.

[@ringleaders10820A]

Basing your opinion of the whole base based on our most infamous rage bait twitter account... Seen this one before

[@JayWhiteMadden]

Man City shouldn't be deducted points or just relegated...the FA should strip them of professional status - terminating every professional contract the club has. Then, they should be inserted in whatever the highest level of the pyramid is that is 100% unpaid, amateur players. (Tier 9 or 10?) They should not be allowed to sign a player to a professional contract for 24 months. And during those 24 months, and the next 12 months after their professional contract ban is lifted, their ownership status should be frozen - essentially - "no. you can't sell it now that it's broken and worthless. you're stuck with it." The penalty against the club should be as outlandish, brazen, and over-the-top as the rule-breaking was. The punishment should last as long and be as harmful as they've been cheating to win, and in turn, damaging every other club. Only, ALL OF THIS this doesn't go as far or as long as they did.

[@JayWhiteMadden]

and turn the stadium into a bowling alley. 🤣

[@ryanlilwiz]

You had me at bowling

[@Yaravae]

Wild imagination son

[@Sanadooooosha]

9 views in one minute what happened

[@citizen721]

Cry more 😂

[@ottoolesen1445]

Im not sure how it can be argued that they didnt win haha, the Premier League broke it's own rules and prevented city from gaining access to valuable sponsorships in an unfair manner😅

[@Ballotubie]

That doesn't fit the agenda. Just imagine if the roles were reversed

[@SimonWakefieldUK]

Except what the tribunal said the delay in handling which the PL said was due to insignificant staffing levels (I wouldn't be surprised if that was due to City as well, their legal team has a habit of bombarding the other party with alot of documents that aren't really relevant while not providing what is really needed just to try and overload the other side. I imagine clubs have to prove the PL with evidence of the terms of the deals and supporting evidence of why its a fair value) broke the PL's only rules BUT that the delay would have had absolutely no impact on the deal happening on the part of the sponsor. They didn't find that the deal was blocked incorrectly though

[@Nyaxxy]

Well judging by the report, they lost on the other 23 arguments in this case so it's easier to argue that they didn't win than that they did win, purely based on numbers. As to what each of the arguments were, I havent looked into it, so I don't know the importance of them and what is relevant.

[@Ballotubie]

@@Nyaxxy City's main objective was never to win on every point. The main objective was to prove that the APT and amended APT rules were unlawful which they succeeded on. The rest would've just been bonus points

[@daviebananas1735]

@@NyaxxyThat’s not how law works. It’s not a sport. Winning on 2 significant points, which will change how the sport is governed is a big win. And I dislike City as much as the next man.

[@mikoajcieplik5607]

can we expect a comment on boehly-clearlake situation at chelsea?

[@AdmiMiasmin]

City did won this instance, cry more

[@Geo-nw9ug]

Support ur local

[@TOlp-oe3fp]

The cope city fans are Doing right now is hilarious

[@Sim0n98]

We did win. What we wanted in this case, we got. We threw some other stuff in there, because you do in things like this, but Manchester City will be extremely happy with this outcome, the Premier League on the other hand? Humiliated.

[@mnm1273]

You lost 92% of the points you brought forward. That's not a win, let along one that'd humiliate the Prem

[@suhaasbhat8736]

​@@mnm1273well done on not understanding what it means. Out of 115 only ones which mattered are probably 5-10. And we made progress there. All others are stupid shit made up by PL to exaggerate.

[@InspoLel]

Your club has already been humiliated... The whole world thinks you are cheats and these charges won't change anyone's mind on that

[@obamaslefteyeball1710]

Imagine saying something else is humiliated while being a city fan lmao

[@Yaravae]

​@@InspoLel"they won't change anything" okay just keep crying then

[@christopherwagemans7556]

I think its hilarious that everton and man city published statements that were factually incorrect. Are you friggin kidding me? This is how you get fired from pr gigs.

[@roddyscott9498]

it wasnt everton publishing a statement was it? a fan account i think.

[@nabeelwantza5484]

Bro we don’t want to hear how much miles you running every other video

[@Hartley_Hare]

Yes, we do. Hush.

[@ryanlilwiz]

​@@Hartley_Hare agreed

[@Billiamwoods]

Who's "we" lil bro

[@nabeelwantza5484]

I knew ima get attacked by the fan boys. My point is how much miles he runs has nothing to do with what his talking about or adds to what his about to talk about. It's because his funny that you guys don't see it but that is a narcissistic trait guy's

[@Billiamwoods]

@@nabeelwantza5484 Narcissism is when you talk about your life on your KZbin channel 😭 also learn to spell

[@renderlifestyle]

Zealand hating on City, as usual

[@gaffer2602]

He's fact checking them

[@TerriblePie]

“Hating on City” = reading the actual ruling I guess just reporting the truth about something is hating now lmao

[@renderlifestyle]

@gaffer2602 he clearly had an agenda against City, literally every video about them is negative. City has proven that the Prem is was being unlawful. Funny how people forget this. All this is showing is how incompetent the Prem is, which is subjective rules that benefit certain clubs.

[@TerriblePie]

@@renderlifestyle it has successfully challenged 2 of the 25 rules it sought to challenge. Not all 25 of them. 23 of them are lawful and City do not like those rules. Your brain worms are doing your thinking for you; there is no conspiracy against City, the club does not like being beholden to the same rules as everybody else. Please, please use the term “red cartel” so we can all laugh at how monumentally thick you are

[@octavianpopescu4776]

Yes, he's negative against United too, but I don't think he has some agenda. He's just saying his opinion.

[@benjaminsvensk-armstrong9106]

The win for City is thus - it is illegal for rules to be retrospectively imposed on loans, hence sponsorships that were rejected during that period can now be engaged with. If refused, or if said deals cannot be resurrected, City can sue for the losses they have incurred from the rules not being applied evenly. Furthermore the potential for further expensive litigation every time a deal is rejected has been green lit: the process of evaluating deals has been found to be opaque and imprecise, and hence subject to debate.