When You Run Out Of Goalkeepers

[@abicrystalwing1543]

Something similar happened in the NHL in like 2018. It was a pretty big story if you followed hockey back then. The Chicago Blackhawks through a series of unfortunate events somehow lost all of their goaltenders, so they signed a guy from the local amateur league on a one-day emergency contract. This guy went on to make some crucial saves and the Blackhawks ended up winning that game. He became a hero for them for a while.

[@NeptuneTowers]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZ2lpIVnjK6HZrc&ab_channel=NHL

[@neilflood6508]

That was Scott Foster for the Hawks. The most famous NHL EBUG was in 2020 just before the shutdown. The emergency backup could appear for either team if they lose both their goalies. All NHL games have a designated emergency backup goalie. Carolina were playing in Toronto and both their goalies James Reimer (former Maple Leaf) and Petr Mrázek (future Maple Leaf) were injured in the first 30 minutes. The emergency backup was David Ayres, a Toronto Maple Leaf employee who was involved in ice maintenance at their practice facility. Ayres sometimes stood in as a goalie at Maple Leaf practices and was known to the whole Maple Leaf Roster (Reimer was the only Carolina player who knew Ayres). The way the remainder of the game went, Ayres was the winning goalie of record as Carolina won and he was on the ice when the winning goal was scored. There is a rather (in)famous vlog from Steve Dangle where he rants about the game.

[@Coffeekeeper]

Never forget David Ayes too

[@BloodRider1914]

​@@CoffeekeeperHurricanes legend

[@Raptorsified]

wasn't he a zamboni driver

[@LiftandCoa]

Chelsea: HA! Couldnt be me.

[@ItsJesssee]

how do you even come up with this broo i’m rolling 😭😂😂

[@Ryuzakku]

The Blues think of literally everything.

[@KatsukiBakugouFan13]

They didnt think of overpopulation in the dressing rooms​@@Ryuzakku

[@twakilon]

Due to COVID, River Plate once started a game in the Libertadores with a midfielder as the Goalkeeper, and no subs at all (only 11 players were available), and they actually won 2-1

[@kyvyn6212]

To make it worse, MLS does have an "extreme hardship" exemption that seems to be designed for this exact scenario. It was used to allow NYRB to call up a player 7 times this season. The league just didn't allow it for Columbus for some reason.

[@gaffer2602]

Does that not just apply to keepers out due to injury and having a 4th GK to call up?

[@Sim0n98]

It happened recently for Barrow A.F.C. The guy who went in goal, Rory Feely even managed to save a free kick.

[@tonypatino1765]

But then the last minutes of the game weren't so good

[@TDBTylerable]

Columbus: "How many Goalkeepers do we need?" MLS's rules: "... Yes!"

[@marcelom9215]

Only Chelsea has enough goalkeepers for MLS rules

[@frank98_7]

One similar (not so similar maybe) case is when Enzo Perez played as a Goalkeeper for River in the libertadores a couple of years ago. While injured. For all 90 minutes. And they won 2-1!

[@manning0]

I support Macclesfield FC in the 7th tier of English football. I'm not sure what other teams in the league do, but the league only allows 5 players on a bench and we don't select a backup Goalkeeper. I can think of at least two occasions where our goalkeeper has gone off injuried or has been sent off, or in one case, both. On that occasion Macclesfield were leading 2-0, and an outfield player went in goal, 8 players got behind the goal and we brought on a 6ft6 forward to try to hoof the ball up to and take into the corner at every opportunity. The goalkeeper s**t housed our way to victory, holding on to the 2-0 lead by trying to chest down or control everything with his feet, and would wait until the opposition player would jog up to him before picking up the ball (or diving on it). Every time the ball went down the wing, the defenders would blast the ball out of the ground, no ball boys at this level, so the balls came from either the bench or the tunnel, not sure which, but basically took longer to get the ball back in play.

[@hard_reset52]

as a cincinnati fan i could not be happier with columbus' misfortune

[@kalmenbarkin5708]

In the future they should call up non goalkeepers as goalkeepers for CONCACAF 3rd string. Just take a midfielder call him a goalkeeper for CONCACAF purposes

[@joepickford6219]

Watched Swindon town, my local team play Barrow. Their keeper got sent off in the 42nd minute and we still drew 1-1. Your title gave me pain.

[@mikebate6719]

What was worse was the equaliser came in the 98th minute from a speculative 30-yard effort, and then the manager went on to say in the post-match how it was good that we didn't "just shoot from anywhere".

[@scottwalker4619]

I felt sorry for the Barrow keeper (centre half). From what I understood, he played quite well and to be beaten by a shot that any actual keeper would’ve saved so late on is sickening

[@matheusfiorelli8829]

Last year, São Paulo FC had an unusual situation when they lost to injuries: 3 Right Backs, 1 Left Back, both starting Full Backs, 1 starting Mid Fielder and their imediat replacement and to top it all off their main Striker..... And all that happened within the first 11 matches of the season 🙃

[@AquaSteez]

I went into this game thinking us the sounders would loose 3-0. Little did I know what would happen. That was a massive result for our season.

[@GarratMcCullough]

This is just life imitating art right here. I've had something like this happen to me on my STL City save. I've never wanted to rage uninstall a game before. But that was the closest I've come to doing it.

[@joejazdzewski]

The Goalkeeper is to blame. How as the only GK on the roster you commit that foul is beyond me.

[@djsaidez271]

He shouldn’t have even been traded, Columbus had two perfectly good reserve keepers available

[@ninjalectualx]

The red card was just the last hole in the Swiss cheese model, the situation had to thread through a lot of holes before then to even be there

[@naivedevil1978]

Yay Zealand is covering a game that includes my team! (Seattle Sounders)

[@background7642]

Mofo got me on my belly, kicking my legs back and forth

[@Kenopop]

That's what I was thinking about. I had a feeling this would be our chance, even if focused on the other team.

[@Eric_Hunt194]

Why are they called Sounders? Or do I not want to know that? 💀💀💀

[@TheClhWarrior]

Can you explain to me why every Sounders, Miami, Cincy, and weirdly Orlando fan has told me (a Crew fan) that this situation was actually fair and not stupid?

[@antonyevans559]

Is the fight and win chant you guys ?

[@blablaproducties]

I believe at Ado Den Haag they played an outfield player in goal bc the first gk got a red, the second got injured on the field. Up stepped Ricky ven den Bergh, the shortest player of the team and he made some amazing safes

[@andrewdopple6946]

Wasen't there MLS pool keepers? Kinda like hockey where there is a semi-pro or washed out keeper that can be loaned to either team? I remember Colorado rapids using one that was a part time cop, and Chivas using one that was an EMT.

[@thepeopleslibrary9345]

There were. There was a good article from Sounder at Heart, they made tons of mistakes, and chose not take on of the options to get a temp keeper in to prove a point, and then had it blow up.

[@malenlhewig]

It happens in serious leagues as well, but mostly if a team already did 3, now 5 substitutes

[@ArtyMcMuffin]

Ah news from Evan Bush, the guy is still playing? Montreal Impact legend with that Champion's league run in 2015. :D

[@MonzennCarloMallari]

Zealand with the bard entrance

[@JustinLee-r4u]

Hey Zealand do a story about the coach in Italy who ran on the pitch and tackled a player to stop him scoring.

[@merobo5066]

Finally I understand the Chelsea squad, they just prepared for MLS rules

[@Ibandalone]

Cool to cover a Columbus crew game. Big crew fan!!

[@nollienick1121]

Good man haha. Me too

[@SuperJNG18]

I wish they had the rule like in hockey where there’s a designated goalkeeper if you run out of goalkeepers.

[@ImLivingVictoriously]

So Zealand isn’t going to comment how USMNT just drew with NEW ZEALAND?

[@HonestTom1892]

The MLS is brilliant.

[@devilskeeper007]

Excellent podcast plugging work there. Clap him in.

[@SuperJNG18]

There’s an entire compilation of times when it’s happened in the Premier League. At least one made three saves after coming on!

[@tonypatino1765]

I wouldve thought that calling up players to a non-mls competition didnt count

[@CB11246]

It wasn't just this game btw MLS had multiple games in the international break.

[@theangrykbdist]

6am in the UK, I love me some tomfoolery in the morning (breathes in copious amounts of tomfoolery)

[@SuperJNG18]

As an NYC FC fan, Columbus Crew has been our boogeyman all season. No matter how well we’re doing, we cannot beat them. They’re the highest ranked club in CONCACAF’s aggregate, which includes all the Mexican clubs, so I wish I could say I was weeping for them here.

[@scottchapman3937]

You should check out Swindon v Barrow from League 2 at the weekend! Barrow boss was playing FM and CHOSE not to have a keeper on the bench and the GK got sent off on 42 mins while 1-0 up - stand in GK saves 3 shots but 90+8 1 squeezes under him for a 1-1 finish.

[@nollienick1121]

We just need our international players back for Hell this weekend.

[@Jothamvvw]

I thought this was about Jack and Tom at the FM World Cup

[@SamButler22]

Z! Mangan couldn't go to Madrid, couldn't get a work permit

[@tijauhlig587]

In 2002, striker Jan Koller of Borussia Dortmund had to play 30 minutes as goalie because Jens Lehmann was send off with a second yellow card and they had already used all their substitutes. Koller kept a clean sheet and had some tremendous saves, however they lost 2-1 to Bayern in that game cause their best striker was now a goalie and no one was able to put that 2-2 in the net. Here's a video of it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooavhZyfp8h4ack

[@edi0157]

Hell, if we re talking about people going in goal due to lack of subs it literally just happened to Parma vs Napoli where at 1-0 up in the 75th minute the Parma goalkeeper charges out of goal, clears the ball but hits the attacker on the followup, the ref gives a second yellow for it. In comes defender and nominal captain (he himself started on the bench btw) Enrico Del Prato. He obviously struggled, got a yellow for dissent on a play where he was actually right as iirc an initial penalty for Napoli got overturned by VAR (not caused by the now GK) and with 11 added minutes, Napoli found a way to come back via goals from Romelu Lukaku (90+2, he came on too) and Zambo Anguissa (90+6). Cue World Cup-winning level celebrations by Conte s Napoli. Bit shambolic if you ask me to celebrate that hard but oh well

[@Bran47040]

Tom Bogert reported that there is a “extreme circumstance” rule that lets teams do more call ups which Columbus was denied, but NYRB has been able to call up a reserve full back 7 times. MLS dropped the ball hard and made sure their darling won the league title

[@ousfraton435]

you can’t sign someone called romero and expect them not to get sent off

[@Adam-l2g]

Sometimes I thought about what football would look like if all the top leagues were not caught by the goalkeepers but the players in the field

[@nickjeffery536]

"It's not in the spirit of the sport"... Fun fact - for the majority of football history, goalkeepers didn't get named as substitutes... there was a time when only one or two subs were on the bench for any one game.

[@williamcross210]

There was a time when no substitutes were allowed

[@nickjeffery536]

@@williamcross210 Yes indeed... that too. In fact, in 1986, West Ham's Alvin Martin scored a hattrick vs Newcastle, where each of his three goals came against a different goalkeeper. Martin Thomas started in goal, coming back early from a shoulder injury, due to his backup keeper being injured in a previous game, then landed awkwardly on the shoulder. He made it to half-time, where Alvin Martin had scored one of West Ham's four goals. Chris Hedworth (a midfielder) took over at the start of the second half, but cracked his collarbone, and after conceding the sixth goal of the game (Martin's second) went back into outfield, at which time Peter Beardsley took the keeper's gloves - and Martin took and scored a late penalty to finally make the game 8-1.

[@shen.daniel]

That is... Funny. I would assume the 4 call up limit only count mls matches, but no apparently

[@KalenAlmeida]

I was watching the Revs when they mentioned this so I flipped over to that game for a bit, and they didnt say anything like this, but at least it was very fun to watch

[@BloodRider1914]

Well at least this is the MLS so regular season doesn't really matter

[@marcelom9215]

Only the MLS can make Chelsea with their 9 goalkeepers look like geniuses

[@joshualiley]

Lapkes' final call up was in a friendly vs Aston Villa, because Schulte was called up to the Olympic squad. He again did not make the pitch. I like how Columbus Crew found it more beneficial to have a backup GK for a friendly match than for an MLS game

[@edi0157]

Wow that is crazy, not stopping for international breaks is ridiculous. Usually the way it happens is a lack of subs like it happened to Parma vs Napoli this season (the GK even got the ball on that one, it was a second yellow for the follow through that did him in). Hell, when I am playing FIFA or FM I might not bother with a bench GK in general (mostly in FIFA where it was still 7 bench spots up to now, FM has enough in most competitions to get a GK in too) as having the extra spot to bed in a youngster or something is worth the minuscule chance (0 in the last few FIFAs afaik but it could happen back in like FIFA 17) that the GK gets sent off/gets injured during the game. I d still have more than one GK in the squad in case of training injuries and all though of course. Even more, my favourite IRL team (FCSB of Romania) pretty much has been standing in one GK (Stefan Tarnovanu) for the past 2-3 seasons as the previous no 1 (Andrei Vlad) is still there but made too many mistakes to be trusted again yet is still the nominal no 2 and the 3rd choice guy is some 23 year old dude that played 1 cup match for us years ago so yeah, imagine if we played in the MLS. And yeah, this is what Chelsea is preparing for lmaoo

[@kieronparr3403]

3 keepers on the bench? What's that about?

[@lawlore]

That's an oddity that's skipped over way too quickly. Why on Earth would you need that?

[@jamescoleman7858]

@@lawlore It's also not correct. The rule is you must have 3 GKs listed in a 35-man "long list" squad, which would not require any call-ups. The day of the match, you must have 2 GKs in a 23-man squad. Columbus chose to put another GK on the bench anyway, burning a call-up to do so.

[@lawlore]

@@jamescoleman7858 Thank you, that makes more sense, although it still leaves their decision to have three keepers a little... odd.

[@AndyMarshall-p1s]

John Terry played in goal for chelsea

[@douglasmclellan6702]

In the year 2000 in the Scottish Cup Final there was no reserve goalie for Aberdeen. The normal goalie was injured after 3 minutes. So an entire cup final was played with an outfield player in goal. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Scottish_Cup_final

[@CoL_Drake]

i think nowadays you can still change ur keeper but in the pre corona times you was only allowed to sub 3 players, so every time you subbed 3 times and your keeper got red or injured a player had to play as keeper for the rest of the match :) happened quite some times in the bundesliga at least xD

[@edi0157]

Still happens even with the 5 subs as it s only 3 stoppages anyway, just look at Parma vs Napoli this season where at 1-0 up in the 75th minute the Parma goalkeeper charges out of goal, clears the ball but hits the attacker on the followup, the ref gives a second yellow for it. In comes defender and nominal captain (he himself started on the bench btw) Enrico Del Prato. He obviously struggled, got a yellow for dissent on a play where was actually right as iirc an initial penalty for Napoli got overturned by VAR (not caused by the now GK) and with 11 added minutes, Napoli found a way to come back via goals from Romelu Lukaku (90+2, he came on too) and Zambo Anguissa (90+6). Cue World Cup-winning level celebrations by Conte s Napoli. Bit shambolic if you ask me to celebrate that hard but oh well

[@n0body550]

C’mon Z. Laws. Not rules.

[@TacomaParkour]

We needed the 3 points 😅

[@ninjaduck3k]

There are hardship rules for clubs in these kinds of situations. Columbus knew the rules, could have created a situation to access those pool GKs, but didn't. They mismatched their roster and got suitably punished. This is 100% on Columbus, not on MLS.

[@tn12gaffer]

It’s happened in the prem before. It’s quite common

[@danielcooper3868]

As someone who won $200 because Seattle scored so many and kept a CS, I think the MLS rules are brilliant

[@morehouse4490]

Here me out… THE MOST NORMAL MATCH IN OHIO.

[@soundwriter3083]

😂😂😂

[@samrabey89]

Wow...i can see why chelsea need 8 keepers now 🤣

[@whypick1_]

Go read Jeremiah Oshan's article on Sounder at Heart on how Columbus got themselves into this mess, because they are /far/ from being innocent here. Maybe they shouldn't have forgotten to use the extra callups that the MLSPA granted for the Olympics (which led to one member of the front office getting fired). Maybe they shouldn't have had one of their keepers' final callup be _for a friendly_. Plenty of chances to not find themselves in this mess, and yet they still did.

[@TheClhWarrior]

I wouldn't recommend it considering that the sounder at heart people have put together some of the dumbest arguments on Twitter, one of which was how it's actually good that reserve players don't have professional contracts. That's "good" for the union somehow.

[@deltav864]

That title only contains 3 words that are important: When you run (?)

[@stevenilic260]

Pray for the old Zealand after the USMNT result against the New Zealand 😮

[@KanameGaming]

you'f Love Barrow vs Swindon then

[@devoneditz9908]

Tales of running when?

[@edenhazard2751]

Make zealandism a podcast!

[@niklasniedermaier3712]

Can't Happen to Chelsea 😂

[@Kyle_Apgar]

MLS rules make FM harder without any additional effort.

[@ninjalectualx]

I wonder if that loss will be worth the money they saved in the end

[@toddm1532]

If you're calling up keepers for more than 4 short term loans, there's a reasonable argument to be made that he should just be signed on a contract instead of saving some money and asking for another loan. Far be it from me to tell Zealand that there's such a thing as too many loans, but let's get some real contracts and this whole situation could be avoided. (also and completely unrelated, LET'S GO SOUNDERS!!)

[@ButHearMeOut]

Rules are the same for everyone

[@ninjalectualx]

Except Arsenal

[@DrZaius3141]

The way I see it the greed bastards should have just paid for their reserve GKs to get proper contracts. Well, at least one of them. This is not a "mean MLSPA rules that hurt competition" this is "reasonable MLSPA rules that keep greedy clubs from exploiting their players". They were willing to take 50k in their hand to get a new one, the minimum contract is 70k for a full season (so probably less for their reserve player - who will already earn a bit, so it's not even the full 70k extra).

[@mikesearcy9151]

Wait, you do a podcast with Julian Gressel, who plays for Inter Miami and knows Messi? Why haven't you talked about this before?

[@djsaidez271]

He has

[@Im_helpless]

the MSL is such a joke it's so funny they're even considered a good league

[@Fortyethegoat]

53 seconds lmao

[@ShaquilleOatmeal730]

Dont get sent off

[@ninjalectualx]

OK I won't

[@thepeopleslibrary9345]

Yeah man no sympathy for the crew here. These are not MLS salary cap rules, that get so much heat for being confusing, these were player union rules, which is a legally binding contract. If you need a kid for more than 4 games, you need to pay the dude a senior union wage, plain and simple. Anyone who been in a union with seniority has probably run into something not dissimilar. The crew made multiple mistakes, including using a loan on a friendly against Aston Villa, to get to the point of not having any loans left. Apparently they knew they screwed this up and actually fired the dude In charge of the loans earlier this season. They had two options from there, go give the kid a senior union contract and just pay him the money he’s due per the legally binding CBA. For reference, senior minimum is like 80k and the season is nearly over so like 20k this year. Or they could have found literally any free agent keeper, or someone willing to come out retirement for a weekend, in the states who they hadn’t run out of loans on and give him a short term emergency contract. Probably less than 10k. They chose instead to make a point, and publicly make a it-union statements and spin this as “weird mls rules” rather than bog standard union rules.

[@williamcross210]

Doesn't MLS have a stash of league paid GKs a team can call up for a short period of time

[@williamcross210]

Yes, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MLS_Pool_Goalkeepers

[@christopherwagemans7556]

Mls lack of respecting the international breaks is absolutely ridiculous. The quality of mls, which i think is weak to start with, turns into absolute unwatchable garbage during international breaks. Its sad.

[@jamescoleman7858]

In this case, there was supposed to be a break here. However, because of fixture congestion, this was the only time these two teams could make up a match that had to be postponed.

[@brownie62]

Couldn‘t happen to Chelsea

[@jeffreydingle5214]

Bet on them to draw or win 👍

[@tristanlwkns]

Don't they have a academy? I'd rather haveba young GK in there than a field player who has no experience being a GK. This is how Courtois for example got his chance in Genk at 18 years old, the first 3 GK's were injured so he got to play and next season he made us Champions together with KDB

[@jamescoleman7858]

The reserve team that they mentioned is as close to the academy as you'll get in the US.

[@copious983]

so wait wait wait!!!! your development players are only allowed to make 4 senior appearances in a season??????

[@djsaidez271]

america lol 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[@djsaidez271]

I think the idea is that if you’re used more than 4 times, you should be given a professional contract, to avoid loopholes that mean a team could just keep playing their junior players without giving them proper compensation entitled to them by the players’ union Idk how to explain it, like he mentioned it’s a very American thing

[@ninjalectualx]

Hearing unions described as an American thing is as flattering as it is inaccurate lol

[@christopherwagemans7556]

Its kind of like a redshirt in american colleges. They can play in 4 or less games during the year and not lose their redshirt. The redshirt means they gain an extra year of eligibility. So a freshman, that is redshirted will still be classified as a freshman next year gaining the player an extra year of eligibility.

[@djsaidez271]

@@ninjalectualx yeah I think I misspoke, I meant the whole collective bargaining agreement in sports that seems to be not as prominent in other countries

[@jacksonboyd02]

1,067 views in 59 minutes. Stagnate

[@ShaquilleOatmeal730]

Just worry about the nldn derby with out hair flick and jollof

[@jacksonboyd02]

@@ShaquilleOatmeal730 can’t wait for Nwaneri to shine and have a break out game at spurs😂😂 bukayo saka 2.0

[@hellofellowkidz]

What? American players have... dare I say it... Unions?! What? How unamerican of them...

[@iambicpentakill971]

This feels like hospitals refusing to pay their employees and just spending a bunch on travelling nurses instead, ending up worse off over the long term. No sympathy for people who don't pay their employees, dumb rules or not

[@anthonyguiness9]

I thought the MLS wanted to develop young players! Whilst a funny situation, they're actively hurting the development of their own players

[@_GuestFive]

7:15 Ok so they used up both their reserve GKs 4 slots but they didn’t think to put one of their youth team keepers on there? That seems like a bit of an oversight… Unless they were only allowed two non main team goalkeeper call ups? But yeah those are some absolutely ridiculous rules they were up against. I’m not a huge watcher of MLS so forgive me, I could be well off here

[@jamescoleman7858]

In US sports in general, the concept of "academy teams" isn't really that much of a thing. The closest you'll get are minor league affiliates, similar to the reserve team discussed in the video.

[@neilflood6508]

I have seen a few games where an outfield player went in goal or even started the game. I remember a game on TV where former England manager and midfielder Glenn Hoddle went in goal for Spurs at Man United in a FA Cup game after an injury. The game went to extra time and Spurs won 1-0. In doing my research to confirm my memory, Hoddle played three times in goal for Spurs and never lost.

[@deaondre-fs4tz]

Big 🧠 move from Chelsea sign all the GKs soo other club's can't get them

[@djsaidez271]

Off topic but I think it’s hilarious how you make a single inflammatory talking point your whole representation Fr tho Chelsea could probably field a whole team of GKs

[@lawlore]

The rules are stupid, but let's not ignore the point that if I'm Columbus management, I'm cancelling the contract of that keeper at half-time. He would've known exactly why he was signed- what a stupid thing to do.

[@ironicbadger5146]

no views in 32 seconds? fell off

[@ButHearMeOut]

No good jokes in the comments, either

[@ShaquilleOatmeal730]

Shit joke, fell off

[@sdgfsdfagsdfgdsfhsdfghd]

Dad says it's my turn to post stale memes now 🤡

[@ew7339]

Just play a youth player?

[@v0n1b0]

This is another reason I refuse to watch MLS and now consider it an even bigger joke. As for jokes, last night's USMNT 1-1 draw with New Zealand - which should have been an easy win - is another side I ignore. Good luck, Poch. 😂🤣

[@Eric_Hunt194]

Just when you think that UEFA or the English FA are the biggest clown-shows in football... here comes CONCACAF and the MLS 🤡🤡🤡

[@nollienick1121]

No they are worse lol. They are the top of the top and make the same mistakes 😂😂😂