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[@Zealandism]

breckenbauer

[@mohammedsaeedalderei7933]

breckenbauer

[@NoMouthNoScream]

we will remember

[@cloverisfan818]

breckenbauer

[@MattOlsen294]

breckenbauer

[@mybrotherrr3479]

WHATEVER IT IS, WHEREVER IT IS, INDONESIA IS EVERYWHERE✨✨🔥🔥🇮🇩🇮🇩JUST IMAGINE IF INDONESIA WON, WILL THE WORLD BE MORE SHOCKED?. INDONESIA VS MYANMAR. 🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩✨✨✨🔥🔥🔥

[@pguerscho]

mans just said breckenbauer

[@CortesCansados]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@lulo07]

Get em outta here, coach!

[@Zealandism]

Bro I literally said this and I was like 'should I redo it' then I was like 'nah it was such a subtle misspeak no one will notice it' and now I'm living out my nightmare

[@jayer.]

​@@Zealandism It's Matthäus (Madhouse) all over again

[@fairphoneuser9009]

​@@jayer.This pun was Lahm!

[@ethanedwards9739]

MLS has the ninth highest per game attendance in the world according to WorldSoccerTalk as of January last year. I agree that it's a misleading statistic but holy cow we are doing incredible.

[@DammitBobby]

All I ask is that MLS be a solid B tier league on the global scale. I pray for the day my Colorado Rapids regularly make expensive transfers to European teams.

[@troytheboy1985]

@@DammitBobby by that time they just be a feeder team for arsenal

[@DammitBobby]

@@troytheboy1985 imagine a world where Arsenal feels comfortable loaning out academy players to Colorado Rapids. That would be incredible.

[@troytheboy1985]

@@DammitBobby just too far and you might think england is cold and wet but a bunch of london kids are not gonna be happy about snow but shocked myself they never have sent some kids there just for game time

[@DammitBobby]

@troytheboy1985 MLS plays in the summer. It's extremely hot and rainy in Colorado during the summer

[@MravacKid]

There's also that minor detail of the US having 335 million people, and Germany having 85 million.

[@joebaxi01]

Nah, Germanys league 2 has even more total fans than its league 1. If we look at all fans in total across all leagues, the USA population is irrelevant, it gets smoked

[@prplt]

I don't think that really matters tho as only a certain amount of people can fit into a stadium

[@wolfmax7307]

⁠@@joebaxi01wdym with total fans? The attendance in Bundesliga is still higher than the 2. BL (but it gets closer every season funnily enough).

[@chrishello10]

Also the minor detail that the US is one of the most saturated sports entertainment market in the world. MLB, MLS, NBA, NFL, NHL

[@MegaUMU]

​@@wolfmax7307its probably due to fallen giants being in bundesliga 2. Like Schalke 04, Hertha Berlin or HSV drawing in big numbers (I do know Schalke still draws in full stadions for example lol)

[@CortesCansados]

actual math should be done between total matches being played. google tells me 24 MLS had 493 matches player while bundesliga had like 306 matches being played. which gives mls an average attendance of 24.500 per match and bundesliga an average attendance of 39.215 per match.

[@superfrank2684]

also, there is the chance that the playoffs are also included in the 12.1 million figure. That makes it even worse.

[@christhomasson1148]

Yeah, the 29 playoff matches were absolutely included in this "total attendance" table since the table was designed to give the MLS a higher representation. Take out those 29 play off games - which are amongst the highest attended of the entire season including the two +70k matches - then they'd be in 4th place in the table. With those play off games, it's 522 games total, for an average attendance of 23k per match. Nowhere near the Bundesliga, PL, Ligue 1, Serie A, or La Liga = although not far behind La Liga who averaged just over 28k per match (380 game season).

[@nert-13]

In addition to number of clubs, mls also plays way more games than the bumdesliga. Mls has 38 rounds of play in the regular season, plus an additional 29 playoff games

[@CardsTricks42]

MLS only has the 34 games, although the point about the playoffs still stands.

[@nert-13]

@CardsTricks42 did not know. Then why the heck do mls teams complain about fixture congestion? The open cup restructure makes even less sense now

[@neilipsen1404]

@@nert-13all recent complaints about congestion and the open cup are masking the real motive for removing MLS franchises from it: Open cup makes them no money and their own entity the leagues cup does

[@Lavassin]

Good video and very fair points. I'm very tired of the rhetoric online that US soccer has no fans and no passion. My local team is Columbus, and the atmosphere in that stadium (which is beautiful btw) is amazing. It's always packed and loud, full of passionate fans (shoutout to my Nordecke homies) and honestly better than any other sports game I've been to in the US. It sucks trying to be passionate about my team online and just get hit with the "lol US sucks at soccer" bs. Because it is so much better than it was even 10 years ago.

[@wolfmax7307]

I’ll definitively say that us (association) football improved over the last years and even as a German football fan I’d say from what I saw the atmosphere also improved, even if it’s not on the level of some European and South American teams.

[@maliciousbloke]

Bundesliga's average is also suffering due to Hamburg, Schalke and Hertha with their 50k+ stadia being relegated in previous seasons and being replaced with the likes of Union and Heidenheim with small grounds dragging the average down.

[@00vaag]

Yea exactly, to make a closer comparison you could also look at the total attendance of tbe first and second Bundesliga vs the MLS. It will be closer in number of teams and games played. In which case you can add about 9 million to the total. I know a bit about the MLS but is there even a meaningful second tier in America? If you really take professional lower leagues into account for all nations. Which will give you a better idea about how many people go to a match in a given weekend. Then I'm sure America will really be blown away in this graphs. The championship, second tier of English football, has a higher total attendance than the MLS. 😅

[@lisaruhm6681]

Dont forget Wolfsburg, Leipzig, Hoffenheim and Leverkusen who also dont bring in htat much stadium goers. Like the Wolfsburg - Hoffenheim cup match only had 10k people in a 30k stadium...

[@Jenza82]

”Breckenbauer”?

[@FranciscoGarcia-ze5hg]

MLS: 29 teams, 34 games per season; 29*34/2 = 493 games total (without playoffs). A 20 team league 380 games total. But it is a great number for MLS.

[@OldSchoolSaintViking]

I'm English, and football is our number one sport. The US figures are still very impressive, when you consider the popularity of the NFL, MLB, NBA, & NHL. I'm a big NFL fan myself, and I watch some baseball too, but I was surprised and delighted to see 'soccer' becoming this big in the US.

[@andre20005]

US has a lot of potential in "soccer". after the WC, football its going to grow more and more

[@theonlydiego1]

“I hope they play Never Meant” “Son, this is American Football”

[@insanetrickshots1]

thank you for watching our sports

[@andre20005]

@@theonlydiego1 absolute cinema

[@soraishida1318]

How popular is cricket in England?

[@nilsfra1452]

You forgot to mention that the Bundesliga has even LESS specators than the 2nd Bundesliga. The second division has a higher attendance than the first league because big teams like Schalke, Hamburg and now Cologne are in the 2nd div whereas clubs with like no „fans“ like Hoffenheim, Leipzig or Heidenheim are in the first division

[@piekay7285]

Nope, it has not. It has less on some game days, but still more on average

[@jesseseifert7995]

Unless that’s changed very recently, like this season recently, that’s simply not true

[@Geo-nw9ug]

@@jesseseifert7995idk about that but i do know that there are soo many huge clubs in 2. Bundesliga, prb even more so than any second division itw

[@paulspy]

From what I knew it's not the whole league but the clubs you mentioned they average some of the highest attendance in Europe but not thr leagues whole average

[@wolfmax7307]

@@Geo-nw9ugthat is true

[@finn4065]

It's definitely important context, but the point being made is that MLS is legitimate now. It's not a top 7 league but people care enough to show up consistently. At the end of the day what grows a league is money, and while sponsors care about per game/club, total attendance is very important too.

[@maxl.b.m.y.g.5918]

8:15 the cosmos played at Old Yankee Stadium

[@RyanSheppard-tq4pg]

Canadas rise on the International level helps the MLS as well. Should be mentioned.

[@AlexFooty7]

The U.S.A is a powerhouse for money. Their stadiums are constantly packed. Alot of people watch T series. It doesn't mean its the best channel. This is the same for mls

[@jord.an6123]

The on-feild quality has become very very good in the last 5 or so years though too. Atlanta untied had a 23 yo go and win the world cup with Argentina. Theyve got some crazy good talent in that league

[@mrkoolaidism]

There are a lot of different things that go into it. The fact that that many people went to the mls is huge. There are so many places in the US where it is just really hard to get to a game. Like imagine if people in the bundesliga had to drive literally an entire day to watch their team. There are significant boundaries that are very specific to the US that people dont think about. No matter how many teams the league has, 12 million people coming to watch the 5th or 6th most popular sport in the country is absolutely huge

[@Luke_Skvwalker]

Charlotte fc gets a lot of people per game, so does Atlanta United.

[@catrionacolville2192]

Per population attendance highest is actually Scotland.

[@thatguyscomputer]

Easy to get the most overall attendance when you've got twice the number of clubs compared to the competition.

[@OldSchoolSaintViking]

It's not the national sport though, is it? American kids traditionally grew up playing baseball, American Football, basketball & ice hockey.

[@leespn4396]

​​@OldSchoolSaintViking so? MLS has 38 regular season games + playoffs, whereas a league like the bundesliga has 34 games. If you have way more games, obviously there will be more interest.

[@esp2017]

Loving this channel, great content.

[@drex5160]

The Messi effect.

[@mikoajcieplik5607]

in Europie I think more popular is meaduring the % of capacity, as some clubs just have small stadiums and even if the numbers don't impress, they are full week by week

[@isaacgogna9856]

I know someone who knows an MLS owner personally. He was telling me that they are currently looking into building an even larger stadium within the next ten years. Possibly around 40k-50k capacity. This is in a small market too. It’s obviously not super easy to get done, and I don’t know if it will happen. It was just “hear say” after all so who knows, but to think that that is on the minds of MLS owners right now feels like a big deal to me. Newer teams probably aren’t going to go for it since their stadiums are new but this would be replacing one of the older MLS stadiums from the 2000’s.

[@yassinedahbi7727]

Which team is it?

[@DaMarrsBar]

I used to work at a movie theater chain. They busted out how many more people attend movies annually than all the American sports leagues. Sheer volume is easier to achieve with more access.

[@squadron_studio]

The stat may be misleading, but the reality is still really positive for the MLS. In my personal experience, MLS games have become really popular as family/social outings for people that like sports in general but don't want to shell out hundreds of dollars to take 5 people to sit in the nosebleeds for our crappy local NFL team at their crappy old stadium. Just anecdotally, when I scroll through people on Hinge, I see as many locals with pictures of them at Geodis Park (Nashville MLS stadium) as I do locals with pictures at Nissan Stadium (Nashville NFL stadium, though I think they're building a new one soon). The MLS stadiums are all brand new, well-designed, and super clean with fun atmospheres and generally good gameday experiences, so it makes for a fun time even if you're not a soccer person (yet). The hardcore/TV watching fandom isn't there yet, but 10 years from now when the kids and teens who grew up going to games for with their families become adults with their own money and their own TV/streaming subscriptions, that's when you'll see MLS really start to become more mainstream.

[@Senten55]

Here's the thing about 40,000+ a game. It's not new! the sounders have been doing that since they joined in 2009. The sounders had to restrict seating do to an unfair advantage of stadium size. 35,000 to 40,000 for non darby and full 60,000 to now 70,000 for darby's. Players have said it feels like their back in Europe when they go to Seattle and that was 12 years ago. Every game was sold out for years till 2020. and now the apple TV deal killing interest in the game. Sounders have now dropped to about 25,000 a game if lucky and no one watches on TV. So yeah the numbers are a little sad cause if the sounders still pulled what they did before they would acount for 10% of the league attendance with 1.1 to 1.2 million across all their home games.

[@Deivias393]

How many of those big attendance games were Miami involved in.

[@jacaueenlasumba8528]

Breckenbauer

[@denja964]

not to mention so many more games are played in MLS than in other leagues

[@mikeavina168]

Even though it’s misleading it’s still improvement ❤

[@zyzzyx3160]

Lots of tickets are either bought or given to corporations. This getsincludes in the attendance numbers, even though thoseseats might not be filled. For instance, I went to a Clippers game thisweekend nd sat in the corporate "vip" section. Tickets were given as a marketing thing. About 2/3 of the seats in that section were empty, despite the fact that all the tickets for those seats were purchased.

[@Toni-PAT]

MLS is doing pretty well. Transfers like Messi or Ibrahimovic a couple of years ago are helping of course. Can't wait for the 2026 world cup, it will be amazing. Greetings from Germany, we have a great history of football and fan culture.

[@FantasKanal]

FunFact: The 2nd Bundesliga has (i hope i remember correctly, cant be arsed to look it up) the 4th highest attendence of all football leagues.

[@suppifier6692]

This title couldn't be more attuned to my reaction upon seeing the thumbnails

[@Brandon-qd2lb]

What’s the average per game for each league?

[@maryannedouglas]

There are also quite a few more people in the USA than, say Germany or engerland. What's the total attendance of football in the EU? That might be a better comparison.

[@iainmaley3319]

About 200M for European domestic leagues. Can add a bit for domestic cups and Champions League + Internationals

[@Mu3az523]

Doubling number of teams will increase the number of matches by more than Double because you also increase number of matches for each team

[@Deucemantatum]

Zealand u look like Mikel damsgarrd

[@McPilch]

Forget average attendance number, should be stadium capacity filled percentage on average.

[@viniciuscastro4433]

No, it shouldn't lol

[@jord.an6123]

MLS is great at selling out its stadiums too though. Watch any Nashville, or Portland, or atlanta etc home game. The league is booming in quality and attendance lately

[@DWestheim]

If my local district league's games were tallied up for 87 years, it would also have a higher attendance than the Bundesliga...

[@cbaldwi11]

Oh Zealand....Breckenbauer...

[@Onebadterran]

My bs detector was just saying we have more people. A lot more people. Of course we have more fans in attendance.

[@Ahiru77]

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that one of the matches that had 70.000 people in the stadium involved a lot of pink.

[@evanpiepho]

I don’t really have a horse in the race because I don’t care about the MLS, but I did want to dig into some stats. Doing some napkin math from their respective Wikipedia entries (aka quick spreadsheet moment), the average stadium capacity of an MLS team is ~24,600. Bundesliga it’s ~40,900 (for 23-24 season teams). However, there were 493 games in the 2024 MLS season and only 306 in the 23-24 Bundesliga. If you do some very simplistic calculations (again, napkin math), under those parameters, the theoretical rough max attendance for MLS was around 12.13 million compared to stated attendance of 12.1m. Bundesliga, the theoretical max would be 12.52m and 12m stated attendance. I’m not saying anything definitive here because these are approximations based off Wikipedia numbers, but I will say that stadium capacity in MLS really reduces the amount of generalization that can be done in comparison to other major leagues. It’s just way easier to fill smaller stadiums, and I doubt MLS attendance as percent of max capacity would scale up to an average of almost 41,000. Even if you use median as a measure of central tendency (to control for Bayern and Dortmund), the MLS is only 22k max capacity versus 34k for Bundesliga. Very hard to extrapolate meaningfully.

[@CrumbMuffins]

Sub 30 second gang!!

[@00vaag]

It would be a much better comparison if you look at the total attendance of a countries professional football pyramid. So if you include the 2nd and 3rd Bundesliga. Which will give you a total of 12 + 9 +3 = 24 million In the UK, the top 3 would be: 15 + 12 + 5 = 32 And I bet you could even go further down the pyramid to really get a scope on how many people will pay for a ticket and go to a stadium to see their team play.

[@harrivastamaki]

I wonder how many of those most attended matches were Inter Miami matches with Messi on the field

[@JEndless2025]

It's hard to say for sure because I suspect almost all league fake their exact attendance numbers a little bit. But my eyeball test says that MLS attendance is closer the English Championship on average attendance per game. The average MLS team is on par in popularity with Watford, not Bayern.

[@gaffer2602]

It averages out to avoid 24.5k per game for MLS and over 30k for bundesliga

[@nikhiltenneti34]

Original graphic was tweeted by MLS_PR lol

[@VantommHD]

If only u could put it in simple numbers

[@malenlhewig]

The MLS has roughly 23k attendance per game, Bundesliga 40k

[@maxl.b.m.y.g.5918]

And a 15th team in the west is coming next year

[@jord.an6123]

im hype. The MLS is on fire lately

[@henriquedaumas9934]

Well it's really easy. (REALLY) Rich country, big population, easy means to the stadium. I think you're being quite overexcited about this. USA by all means is far richer than most. (I lived there for 2 years, I know that) As someone who lives in Rio being a Fluminense fan, but has a hard time going to Maracanã sometimes, I don't find that hard to believe or impressive at all... (And I pray for a subway station near my home). It's an absolutely SHIT experience to go a game sometimes just because of traffic, danger, no bus lines when the game ends late at night, big distance from my house, etc. Barely anyone here in Brazil finds English clubs impressive (although I do), because there is always a feeling of "life is harder here" which absolutely no one can refute (and I don't care to explain why they are right, but still, I like English clubs). Not the same opportunity, not the same experience, Z

[@CeBePuH]

It's not a misleading statistic. It does not claim anything else other than what it says. Just like GDP is not misleading vs. GDP per capita.

[@owenferrara]

You'd fall for propaganda really easily if you don't identify this as misleading

[@joebaxi01]

Every country has 2 GDP stats though. Only the MLS would bring up total attendance numbers as a flex

[@paulspy]

​@owenferrara ? But it isnt misleading? They did have the 2nd highest attendance which is what they say. But it's easy to know that they don't have th3 highest average

[@CeBePuH]

@@joebaxi01 Do you care about the total amount of money a business makes (like MLS) or the money per customer? I'd say the former is a more relevant statistic

[@joebaxi01]

@@CeBePuH Neither are relevant, you're still talking about money and not attendances

[@Swrdfshtrmbns]

Can you have more descriptive video titles please

[@lukaskok364]

20 teams in Mls in all year had less attendance together ,then just Miami and Messi

[@lukaskok364]

Without Messi MLS was 12league by attendance,now second. Miami before Messi 27. Now top 3club in Mls. Messi effect

[@AquaSteez]

Remember America has 300 million people and each of these countries have surprisingly less

[@benjyeaton7161]

Without watching the video I wanna point out they have like 30 teams and a lot of people live there

[@itsmychannel]

More teams means more games. Not only that… but American sports means playoffs, which means more games 😂 as an American I saw straight through the bullshit as soon as it was shown.

[@Galaxy6913]

Z you should watch Route none, very good channel for football history and random football shower thoughts.

[@gbanuelos01]

I'd love to know what the median is because I'm sure if you remove a team like PSG from France, the attendance surely plummets. Or Benfica/Porto in Portugal or whatever other example

[@facekickr]

Look..I don't care...Soccer in the US is slowly becoming a major sport. When the average player starts to get paid at least 90K-100K a year as a soccer player in the US, soccer its come a long way in the US. I still remember when MLS guys were making as much as the concession guy at the stadiums they used to rent. The MLS is improving, but that number may be a little inflated.

[@gezblair]

MLS will never be a real league until it has relegations and promotions. It’s a stupid illogical point and a very small hill but I will die on that hill.

[@Otto500206]

None of the top leagues in USA does. This is because how they are structured.

[@Yobisewk206]

The Argentine Primera Division arent doing relegations and promotions and people still consider it a real league, where's the logic in your point?

[@christhomasson1148]

MLS is nowhere near 2nd in a seasonal attendance record. This table and related articles are silly. The MLS had 522 total games in 2024, the Bundesliga with 306 games. 23k per game on average for MLS, 39k per game on average for Bundesliga. Not even close. It's almost half that of Germany. I am somewhat surprised La Liga only pulled in 10.7mil fans across the season though, an average of 28k per match (380 matches). So it's great growth for the United States to have 23k per match, but having 522 games and being compared to leagues with between 306-380 games is very biased.

[@Ronjontcb]

Just let it go man

[@v0n1b0]

Bundesliga still wins, but you forgot a zero in your 12.1M MLS attendees.

[@Remianen]

MLS could easily overtake the NHL for 4th place in popularity. The only way it gets to #1 is if the NFL continues to pussify the game and allow the horrific officiating that's been prevalent over the last 6 years or so. But with the money the league has, I could see them going to AI officiating before they allow that.

[@cloverisfan818]

bro thinks he's cole palmer

[@THEPORKCHOPEXPRESS1888]

Scotland has the top attendance figure per head of population in Europe , yet our league is starved of cash, Scotland had more subscribers per head of population to sky than the guffy English yet the worst team in the EPL can earn £100m plus a season so they can pretend to be a big club, only two big clubs in EPL and that's man utd and Liverpool, rest are all just rich clubs with no trophy's,even city have limited success compared to those two

[@FutureJoker]

Are people really ignoring how big USA is as a country. Of course, they should be high up there in attendance.

[@xaltotunacheron7544]

More matches + play off

[@pashteto]

40k+ attend. per team is a sick number. I'm really glad that mls pulls it off.

[@MNBlackNBlue]

It doesn't though? 12.1m divided by 29 teams, then divided by 17 home matches per year is 24.5k average attendance per match That's still solid though and the league is only growing

[@buab9056]

Did you ever consider getting a hair transplant

[@A22337]

Flexing with total attendance numbers is not misleading. It's not very relevant but neither is it misleading. Anyone will pick the stat that makes them look good. In the Swedish league they keep track of average away attendance for some reason. That is not the number of travelling supporters of the away team, just the average attendance of the games where your club was the away team. That figure rarely says anything about the visiting team of course but some clubs and their fans will still brag about it.

[@jord.an6123]

Dude your league is incredible, sure its a misleading stat, but focus on how great the MLS has been lately. Literally booming.

[@perfectman3077]

Honestly, Galaxy would probably stomp Man Utd.

[@haderaleisa3536]

Hmm I dont agree with this. Thats like saying "it's misleading to think that Ronaldo is the greatest goalscorer in ucl history. Yes he has the most goals in ucl history but on average Messi Leandowski and Haaland are better." So is that statement also misleading?

[@lukaskok364]

MESSI

[@jasonbeaugrand8153]

How many of the 31 matches were part of a double header with an international game? MLS has played these games inflating their numbers since it began. I am not saying there isn't growth, there is, I am saying some of this is total BS.

[@1stmaterayleigh500]

Never you have more attendies as the bundeslinga😂

[@FantasKanal]

Wait, the MLS had2 Matches with more than 70K fans in the stadium? Thats cute, Bayern Munich has had 75K in each of their last 40 home matches.

[@Nashley12331]

Whoever put this together forgets that America has just under 400 million people living there, give or take the southern border, 12.1 million is not that many as alot will be repeat spectators. Whereas the 14.6 million going to the prem are from about 70 million people, depending on how many boats have made land. This is 'merican 'MURICA maths going all sorts of loopy.

[@j.s3300]

Bullshit

[@istdaslol]

I find the total attendance rate a highly misleading number. MLS doesn’t have relegation so all teams stay where they are. Bundesliga lost many of Germanys biggest stadiums to secound tier. So even though the total went down it’s because we lost 40k stadiums and got 20ks instead. And the article pretending „one match had even over 70k“ like yeah that’s the Westfalen Stadium one hour before kickoff

[@palachir23]

We all fall short of God and we are all not worthy of Heaven but are worthy of hell but Jesus out of pure love for us died on the Cross and was tortured so we didn't have to suffer, repent and turn to him before its too late. Jesus loves u

[@HonestTom1892]

Attendance numbers will dip when Messi leaves MLS.

[@KalenAlmeida]

not by much

[@williamcross210]

MLS teams play the same number of games as the Bundesliga

[@THEPORKCHOPEXPRESS1888]

EPL overrated overpriced now overwatched, pity for the English that the best players in that league are overseas imports 😅