ZEALOTS Only Beating GrandMasters ? | Beating GrandMasters With Stupid Stuff

[@mikeballew3207]

Second suggestion: "Deadly Hallucinations" - Harass the opponent's mineral line with drops consisting of a Prism, DTs, and a sentry. The goal is to hallucinate a colossus for a fake colossus drop. Your opponent should see a colossus attacking probes and probes dying (but actually dying to DTs). Bonus points if you successfully force out a hard counter to colossi from your opponent, such as tricking a Terran to build vikings instead of scanning.

[@Platschu]

Lovely idea, but a Terran scan or Overseer would quickly ruin the Protoss party.

[@ignaciojimenez4786]

what about the very obvious DT attack sounds?

[@davidpinto2317]

@@ignaciojimenez4786 Only play against deaf players

[@gecgoodpasi1654]

@@davidpinto2317 what about the very obvious collosi aoe that for some reason doesnt happen? XD

[@DarkSearinoX2]

@@gecgoodpasi1654 make the dts attack in a horizontal line pattern, at the same time, easy haha

[@whateverppl1229]

"we're in a couple of bases at the same time" *attacks every base he has at the exact same time*

[@zes7215]

wrr

[@Streb000]

Pick a low level build from ‘Is it INBA or do I suck?’ Or ‘rank roulette’ and use it for this series. You can even write a few down and draw them from a hat at random before each game.

[@tarvoc746]

Ooh, that's a great one!

[@zes7215]

wrrr, no such thing as low, high, sx etc, tallx 1uferiox bloat, doesnt mater

[@Zantetsu13]

A variation of this could be Zelots+Mothership for discount(?) Dark Templars.

[@devonjames9883]

lol discount DTs

[@TrollAxeThrower]

That can charge, but can't blink.

[@WindsorMason]

@@TrollAxeThrower recall: discount blink.

[@ledierter]

"discount" uses mothership which should be bigger than the entire map and houses an entire race. yep, discount is the word XD

[@zes7215]

wrr

[@TheLingWhisperer]

Back in the Wings of Liberty and early HOTS days, I used to experiment with gasless and low-gas builds. Conceptually, this just meant controlling your gas income and having precise plans for every gas spent, to maximize your economy and upgrades for your mineral units. Back then, with less overall units in the game, the balance was shifted more toward macro/econ and tech was less emphasized. It was considered normal and even "meta" to primarily rely on low-tech units with upgrades. It was at this time, back in 2011-2012, that I discovered the joy of Zealot based multi-prong aggression, with two warp prisms, tight upgrades and charge timings. I didn't force myself to use only zealots - a stalker or two to snipe overlords, with immortals and templar/archons to dump gas for a late game transition. The two-base all-ins and timing attacks possible utilizing this style are outright n a s t y, when you free up the gas-probes to mine minerals, like a zerg-speed build where you pull drones off gas after zergling speed. You can do the same thing with Warpgate/+1. I found that the greatest strength of this style is to establish "Localized advantage" with a small number of units in multiple locations at once. 4 zealots is a very casual drop for a protoss player, and requires a disproportionate response to prevent economic damage. Each loaded warp prism can also warp in off all of your warpgates, giving you a healthy number of zealots you can fling into mineral lines. You can time your attacks so you hit a base on the outskirts with JUST enough zealots to make a player panic and pull their whole army while you are warping in and distributing zealots everywhere else. Do this all over the place at the same time, most players up to Master league just fall apart. It makes me really happy to see this playstyle being used by a GM in the LOTV era, where tech and gas seem to rule all. Thank you Harstem, you have gained a subscriber out of this old zerg fanatic.

[@xenniealsentinel1800]

I do similar But I won't give you the details Keeping my secrets ;)

[@cod-the-creator]

Oh man this reminds me so much of how I played Broodwar. I used to go speedlot/templar every single game against every single matchup lol

[@mikeballew3207]

I would like to request a classic of yours: Pretending to be AFK - BGMWSS, especially if you are on a map with a gold base for your proxy base. The previous times you did it were a lot of fun, and I think being able to start it on a gold will help offset the loss of early eco that makes this one so challenging. You mentioned that you almost had the opportunity to do it in CMA recently, and you seemed excited to try it out. You definitely got my hopes up! :D

[@jayjacobl4667]

Hidden Probe: Send 2 probes to scout, clicking a mineral patch to stack them. After the enemy sees the probe scout, try to split the 2nd probe off in fog, and use it to do some proxy cheese. Baby, Take the Wheel: You play the first 4 minutes of the game, and then your gf has to take over and finish the game.

[@lunix5438]

I like the second one

[@Pawn007can]

Proposed modification to the second one -- Every three minutes switch with your GF.

[@Fimbu1vetr]

@@Pawn007can I like this. I don't think Harstem's gf can take on mid-high GMs after just 4 mins

[@giacomopc]

The first has been already done by Florencio

[@tomhe286]

@@giacomopc It was already used in Brood war. And it actually works well in lower leagues where players dont yet know how to scout.

[@domagojkosmina648]

From the void: You can only attack via Warp Prisms, either drops or warp in's, or both. No walking on the map, and no air. Bonus points for doing massive 20 unit warp in's.

[@LachimusPrime]

This!

[@MeisterWimma]

i think he actually had done something like that -> kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6HRnql_nMaNrJI

[@seri-ously8591]

Zerglots! It's like watching the king of inefficiency, Zest!

[@DemonXeron]

Casters only: Can only build units that use abilities that cost energy. If that is too hard, expand that to units that have abilities with cooldowns. I realise with protoss that is pretty much every unit, but lets say you have to unlock blink to build stalkers. I also just realised that protoss wouldn't have any AA except high templar and canons (I will certainly allow static) with the former option. Try to include as many energy based casters as possible though!

[@mehdimarashi1736]

If you allow cooldowns, only archons, laser giraffes and carriers are banned. He can open with adepts and voidrays/oracle/phoenix, or immortals. Many of the standard openings remain unchanged. On the other hand, if you don't allow it, only oracles and sentries are available for the opening. That will be very challenging imho. The thing is, I always think of bgmwss series as doing some stupid strategy that gives you some edge, not just a handicap. I really enjoyed this last one, because going only zealot lets you save gas, get upgrades sooner, expand sooner, and confuse your opponent. I don't see an edge in oracle + sentry. You will die to 8 marines. Let's think and find some edge for it. On the other hand, Harstem did a mass oracle the other week. That was essentially "only energy units".

[@DemonXeron]

@@mehdimarashi1736 yeah, you're right, and I did foresee problems with this idea. We could go with activated abilities only to include stalker and adept (but not include zealots, immortals or carriers) for example. This would limit the unit pool and tech choices and force a lot of micro. A fair amount of decent unit options are available there though so it won't be that much different from a slightly strange macro game. It would be quite gas heavy and difficult to manage, but most builds that come out of it would be viable.

[@TheJimmybobtimmy]

Reminds me of the Wings of Liberty 2-Gate expand build with 3-Zealot pressure. Was never popular but totally died with the LotV economy updates, but I'm happy to see something similar even for simple 3rd base delay.

[@Platschu]

Suggestion : Carry a Queen with an Overlord only to spread agressively the creep on the map as this duo would only place creep tumors everywhere.

[@ЖопаТвоя-ш9м]

This actually a working strat even in GMl. U can send worker and queen. Quickly build and cancel hatch and put first tumor in that place. Then just spread creep agressively.

[@Platschu]

@@ЖопаТвоя-ш9м I have never been a Zerg player just I never understood why the Overlords don't support the Queen walk if they could blurp some creep on the way to speed them up. My idea was directly carrying a Queen inside of an Overlord and to unload her only as long as she can place creep tumors on that creep which was made by the Overlord. Then they would fly away and continue this on every bases while the placed and spreading creep tumors could occupy more and more area until the main Zerg army arrives.

[@awooawoo9628]

@@Platschu which one was it? There's the German Taxi, Warsaw Subway and I forgot the name of the queen walk variation where you poop out creep for a highway.

[@andrewferguson6901]

@@awooawoo9628 there was that elazer build where he tripple pronged with creep drop on

[@andrewferguson6901]

seriously, what's a 6 hellion player gonna do about 3 queens dropped in the center of the map, that's a whole lot of creep to spread from if you do it more than once. Thats the other cool thing about this, you only have to do it once or twice to get really big creep zones out past your corner of the map then the queens are free to roam and retreat once it's up

[@ruffianeo3418]

I loved to do that in low level 4v4. 3 Nexi first, then 3 forges and tech needed to chronoboost the upgrades to 3-3-3 and while they all still camp and do nothing, a ton of gateways and more tons of zealots, shredding everything in their path. Was hell of a lot of fun.

[@icecreamdinner]

BGMWSS: You can only build one type of unit from each production facility each game. An exception to the rule for observers and warp prisms; they don’t take up a robo pick. Something like a tempest, blink DT, immortal contain. Or a blink stalker, decent oracle count, disruptor comp for instance

[@JFox4587]

BGMWSS Suggestion! Play a macro game while achieving as many of these silly map objectives as possible. -Fog lights: reveal all areas of the map before scouting your opponents main or natural. -25 points -Tree Hugger: Kill all mechanical critters on map before 8 minute mark. -25 points -The Watchmen: Hold all watchtowers on the map for a total of 12 minutes of in game time. Every time you are chased away from the tower you must pause the timer. -50 points Rock N Roll- Destroy all destructible rocks on map before reaching 100 supply. -50 points I Love Miners- Mine a single mineral patch only while leaving the rest of the minerals unmined. (Once this status is acheived, you can then begin to mine the rest of those minerals) -75 points Gas Guzzler- mine out an entire extractor from at least one base on your opponents side of the map. -100 points. Feel free to do this bingo style, as this would be fairly impossible to get all of these in a game. Points are just suggested, curious to see what your high score will be!

[@realdizzle87]

Freeze Tag: you have to rally all your non-worker units across the map from wherever their production building is (or move-command your warp-ins across the map from where you warp them), and then they have to stay on hold-position until an unfrozen unit tags them in. At that point, the tagged-in unit has to get move-commanded back to one your nexuses before you're allowed to add it to a control-group and attack with it.

[@realdizzle87]

They don't have to go completely across the map - maybe just like halfway - so they end up having to move-command through the middle of the map. Once they're tagged-in, they can take any path you want - but you have to move-command them all the way back to any nexus before they can join the fight.

[@Mezzo30]

Try this for a challenge. Whenever you make a unit, you have to make 5 of them i a row. So if you want a sentry, you have to make 5 of them. So units built would be something like: 5 zealots --> 5 stalker --> 5 sentry --> 5 stalker --> 5 observer --> 5 stalker --> 5 carriers ---> 5 voids ---> 5 carriers

[@Kaiasky]

Attack only with units that can blink (stalker dt), and only when their blink is researched. Defend with whatever is needed.

[@wilhelmschuttelspeer182]

Conga Line of Death™️: When moving in for an attack, your units must form an orderly line, each following the one in front. This should simplify the micro, as you only need to control the single unit at the front of the queue. Bonus points for surrounding enemies.

[@Shrimpzor]

I actually experimented witha very similar build against zerg as a serious attempt to beat other people at my level (low NA gm). The problem i found is that you are helpless against early roach ravager. You need cyber core units fast to hold it, whether that's voids or stalker battery. Even getting a forge doesn't help hold because ravagers can bile down cannons too easily. This build only works if your opponent isn't scouting very heavily. Most higher rated players might actually get rekt.

[@tomhe286]

Pro version is to get 1 immortal then stop miming gas. Go for that.

[@thomaschambon4654]

United Colors of Protoss : you can't build the same unit twice until you have built all the other units. Ex : Zealot > Adept > Stalker > Sentry > ... > Carrier > Tempest > Zealot > Adept > Stalker ... Life preserver : before each game you choose an ennemy unit type. You are not allowed to kill that type of unit during the game. Derpy fingers : you can only have one unit/building per control group. Ex : 1 stalker or 1 gateway Oversized Ego : all your expansions should be taken in the places closest to the center of the map

[@DariushMJ]

Rush a Dark Shrine and once you got it, you can only build DTs and Archons

[@JurijLasic]

I saw the Indy game live, was like "why is harstem playing such garbage" and thought it has to be BGMWSS :)

[@TremereTT]

Do you have date and time or a link for twitch

[@derbisi9755]

I remember there was already a challange like this with well upgraded 3-3-3 chargelots. But it was very fun and i like to see it again (-:

[@Fummy007]

Harstems face in the thumbnail is like "I don't know what to feel"

[@daryladhityahenry]

Suggestion: Always treat your other base like your first base. Basically, always make sure enemy can't penetrate your base. Wall it, canon it, shield it. Always defend it like it's your last base. No need to offense. With this strategy, there's a time when your base is too large and they can't even attack you anymore, or they resources is too low, and all of your base has great defense, then attack them. Game over

[@dee5559]

Low gas spent on units could be fun, something like Only have 1 gas allowed per base, and you aren't allowed to produce gas units out of several buildings at once without getting (relevant) upgrades for them first

[@MrHikagemono]

"This is on purpose that i am loosing that". Proceeds to be supply blocked, because he lost the Nexus he lost on "purpose". Classic Harstem XD

[@pietrolecchi3624]

Suggestion: Starcraft but you are 4 paralell universes ahead your oponent, Show him stuff to trick him into building something that perfectly counters your current build or army, and then hard counter his counter (basically normal mindgames, but tune up to eleven? idk)

[@causeneffect8563]

Valentines day coming up. So you must build pairs of units. Like, you can only build a Zealot if you build an Adept. And they must attack together. Or something. Seems like it could be fun.

[@KoalaBear7]

Suggestion for Beating with grandmasters: supply block game, go for their supply buildings to always stop them from having an army

[@peterhardie4151]

That would be cool

[@peterhardie4151]

You could snipe ccs too

[@Kaiasky]

I think he's done this one before

[@KoalaBear7]

@@peterhardie4151 i know right? like lets gooooooo hampster

[@KoalaBear7]

@@Kaiasky really? never seen, you got a link?

[@GrantRGarner]

Love it. This is the opposite but similar to what I recommended so hoping to see it soon! My suggestion has been to not build any tier 1 units beyond what's absolutely required in the early game. Also - no boring void ray all ins (new addition!). Great job captain.

[@maxridstromdorr6176]

Suggestion: Spoticraft You play as normal, but everytime you build a Nexus/CC/Hatchery, you must tab out for 15 seconds to simulate changing music on spotify.

[@no1yourewrong]

I saw the title and came running. This might be the stupidest stupid stuff yet!

[@Gauddus]

The CC on youtube is just hilarious. 'we will get one salad here'

[@validgnajdorf5594]

Idea 1. you build as much of your production as possible on the map for a macro game. Idea 2. You have to build at least 1 Robo for every 2 gateways. Then we can have a truly ludicrous and amount of robo units.

[@ConstructMorePylons]

My stuffed Carbot zealot, whom we named Harstem Jr., is VERY excited to watch this XD

[@valis2311]

The honest talker challenge: in the start of the game pause the game, tell the enemy your build/plan and play it. This can be even paired up with smth.

[@jn278]

harstem said a while ago that he won't do any challenge that involves chatting because it closely resembles BM (well, because it is BM, imo)

[@Kamikazeesouled]

Thats bm

[@ninefive8930]

Do a 1-1-1 Over and over again in 1 game. That means youre only allowed to build Gateway, Robotics, stargate in that order, repeating until you end the game :)

[@magiccop3588]

For the first game, you think that after sending that overlord in your base for almost 10 minutes unmolested he would have sent another one.

[@ignaciojimenez4786]

The multitasking in the first one was unbelievable

[@mehdimarashi1736]

I love it when you play the bgmwss and you win. Keep it up, captain!

[@emctwoo]

Would love to see mass disruptor/disruptor drop again!

[@Draemn]

Play a game where you have to have units attack from 3 locations (if possible) at the same time. The only time you can attack in 1 location is when you encounter your opponent on the map by accident (didn't know they would be there) or if they're on 1 base. When you defend you have to send at least 14 supply for an attack, preferably having them on the map already and never at home defending

[@blakeb3301]

Maybe like no defending? you have to encounter your enemy before they reach your base. Another thought : Proxy any major upgrade building like core Templar Dtemplar fleet beacon forge etc. the point being u cant have any major buildings in your base.

[@paulramirez7483]

Final battle must include one of every unit. You cannot attack before then but can defend

[@themoOsician]

Here is a suggestion. Playing zerg and while you allowed to do anything defense-wise, you can kill your opponent’s structures only with corruptors.

[@Chizzoide]

Your face in the thumbnail is the best! X'D just wanted to say that. Have a good one ^^

[@dschortz]

Go pure glass cannon. Sentries. Dts. High Templar. Tempests. Oracles. Basically anything that has low health, and high dps or spellcasting in any combination with any strategy.

[@grandpresidentofegemy5235]

Did you know that tempest have the DPS of a single stimmed marine

[@dschortz]

Honestly building Protoss units is like buying food at an airport 😂🤣

[@halahmilksheikh]

Would you consider doing "reruns"? I really liked the Prism Cannon Rush challenge

[@jongaskell3438]

I feel like in that last game.... Florencio would have already had a corner base :)

[@Buttersman]

I want to see games where you use archons exclusively for any and all aggression. Similar to this video you could use whatever units and buildings you feel are needed for defense.

[@whateverppl1229]

I'd love to see you play zerg and make a macro hatch at every base you make. (so at the start of the game you'd need a macro hatch before you could expand. (and a macro hatch for the nat)

[@nqh4393]

Suggestion: Build a shitload of Overlords to conceal your units underneath so that your enemy can't target them.

[@Mr0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0]

interesting idea could you mess with the opponent's "a"-move ai by make say 6 hallucinated carriers and get more value from your army that way

[@gokhanyuksel3782]

Bro you are so fast and capable ..i think u can even beat them with only probes too

[@joaomendes5453]

Captain. sOs vs Bunny, GSL 2020, season 1. Please replicate this. This is the best cheese and will be a very funny challenge for sure. Nexus in the main base of your opponent??? Only to make and hide a probe and warp a few DTs.. I wish I could erase this match out from my mind and go through it a few more times, so it is worth a shot for Harstem to give it a try 😘 Everything is allowed to convince a cheese the opponent, as long as the main goal (making a nexus in the main base in order to conceal a probe to make a hidden warping pylon) is achieved. This will rely a lot on opponent's reaction Good luck!! Magic

[@jeremykiahsobyk102]

I feel like mass zealot is something the protoss would do anyway.

[@nrask8727]

"opinion backed by science" -harshtem

[@bojackfishman4135]

Been watching for awhile now, I think you should do a live stream episode and answer questions, and we could suggest build orders in the super chat. Would be interesting to get to know you better too.

[@heikg]

I think you got very lucky not facing a terran with that build

[@Sleep-NA]

commitment to a fake build order by using mass hallucinations. then the actual composition is mass sentry plus 1 of any other unit that you think pairs well with it for the matchup.

[@Sleep-NA]

also, idea for thumbnail and title "Who is Keyser Sentry?" with a picture of Keyser Söze having a sentry photoshopped onto his head

[@CoachJEFF_CG]

Protoss Bio. Only zealots, adepts, and templar of both kinds. Prism and observer support allowed.

[@HolyBunny]

Suggestion: No hotkeys, only mouse action :3 Diet version: You have to use the classic hockey setup o.O

[@Amoeby]

What a nice and solid episode with high test strategy!

[@alanmackey9699]

Harstem is there a vod anywhere of you telling the story of how you got your captain hat? I think it was from a homestory cup several years back and it was hilarious.

[@gabe5563]

Can you try mass warp gate spreading pylons like creep

[@mehdimarashi1736]

He once did something like that. It was a "you can't go anywhere you don't have a pilon", and he lost all of the games.

[@guest273]

Mass Archon for BGMWSS!

[@HustlaSteve]

Suggestion: Large units only. Only able to build units that cost more than 2 supply (excluding probes).

[@caiobastos9085]

You were playing Zerg as Protoss ... the zealots were lings and you fast expanded xD

[@alexbmotivated9639]

8:28 zealots making an arrow shape for free thumbnail

[@andreashalbfeld7671]

You're a content MACHINE!

[@thomasb1943]

This was really fun. Thank you, Captain.

[@AudioJeep]

Love seeing mass zealot, or anything really.

[@blaurvedrur]

Ok, the next one should be proxy carrier rush

[@themistercoolest]

In loving memory of Elliot the zealiot

[@hotcheesesoup9776]

3 hour video of non stop cannon rushes in diamond or master

[@no1yourewrong]

BGMWSS you are the protoss ladder hero, once your starport is done you can only build void rays

[@tomhe286]

Well that is pretty much standard Bo at the moment :P

[@timburke4136]

I think if your going to do a zelot only it should be a 1 or 2 base all in since its a low tech unit and you really can't wait for them to tech to a hard counter like mutas. If your going to do a 2 base all in you need a lot more gates at the 5 minute mark.

[@suigetsuh17]

The way you sent 2 prisms on different locations and managed to warp zealots and keep the prisms alive, just wow man. Btw, why do chargelots walk that fast when they're not charging into any unit? It happened as soon as the upgrade of the Twilight Council finished.

[@loganesplin2958]

Suggestion: mass high Templar storm like just kill everything with storm then archon followup maybe so stalker at the beginning of you need time to get storm

[@bozydarziemniak1853]

ŻwawyIndy means SnappyIndy : ) And i think same that it is IndySC2.

[@sethmoyer]

This is pretty much my normal playstyle, except I eventually also make archons.

[@drewaforbes]

BGMWSS: Mass Adept, Mass Sentry

[@__-dy9gv]

Suggestion: you can only build pylons when you are supplied block

[@oneluckyshot326]

Handicap ideas: play with no hot keys

[@LachimusPrime]

I had a great time. I hope you had a great time.

[@oorandur7686]

Loved Your game against MaxPax.

[@Hairintd]

Beating Voidrays with chargelots! That's the deal )

[@johanneshaas112]

Hey Harstem. i would like to see u early raven rushing! it is my favourite strategy. 111expand marine tanks ravens attack with 5 vikings turret harrass! gl hf 🙂

[@benspooner8815]

Widow mines, marines, and medivacs.

[@jayjacobl4667]

Pour one out for the homies: Take a shot every time a biological unit is killed. Hard-mode - play zerg.

[@jayjacobl4667]

nvm just imagining a big fight where harstem loses 50 supply of lings... don't want him to die.

[@QuantenMagier]

Can u beat gm on Zerg with proxy first for fake early pool and then natural before the actual pool? That's a strat I tried in silver..

[@kblskables2877]

Finally a build i think I can use.

[@yasedky]

So here is a build order 1 base, 4 gates , cybernetics core , twilight council with zeolots speed .. Around 9 zeolots at 3:30 With speed .. Qlmost kill anyone

[@Bradman1978]

I wonder have well pure Immortals would do. But that would be very slow and need tons of gas. Maybe start it at the 10 minute mark? or with Phoenix support?

[@loudaccord]

BGMWSS: single unit... infesters :)

[@derstefstef4291]

Try stealing the minerals of your opponents by dropping mules

[@FlintTheDwarf]

Only able to produce that unit till you killed an enemy one

[@blakeb3301]

Suggestion : i forget what the video was. but you tried to get a certain amount of kills with one unit without losing it. anyways i remember u saying you wanted to try it with a probe