Zedaph High Flying Stunts with Gem, Joe, Cub, Etho Mega Runs!

[@LathosZan]

Has anyone noted how appropriate it is that Bdub's room is the only room in the dungeon that gets more dangerous at night?

[@murphel]

Uhh I love that :)

[@Evie0h]

Love it! I think about the sleeping and keeping an eye on the clock for players, but I never explicitly thought that it’s directly Bdubs room that becomes fully centered on the importance of wether it’s day or night, and the dependence on someone sleeping while there lol

[@SnyperMK2000JclL]

To get Etho interested in level 4, tell him one of the level 4 secrets is the solution to saving Rusty from his prison... he won't do anything but level 4 after that. XD

[@MoonyFBM]

omg yes XD

[@CMinorOp67]

3:17:40: *Tango:* “Say I raise the cap to 300.” *Etho:* “Oh, I’d take in 300.” *Tango:* “You’d be leaving with 270 cards.” *Etho:* “You think I’m leaving?”

[@StuffandThings_]

DO2 is becoming Etho's new home. After all, he's gotten quite comfy in caves after over a decade of living in the Man Cave.

[@harshityashwardhan]

That's just gem! Wee need etho tango talk compilation on DO2

[@Broanater]

The Tango vs Etho card amount debate is purely because of their play style. Tango wants to go in and get out. Etho wants to go in and maximize loot each run.

[@adaelion3772]

I think the biggest difference is game time. Tango hasn't played much and doesn't have the shard limit everyone else does. They need to maximize every run to try and beat the other hermits, which requires maximizing run length. Tango isn't skilled enough to do that without dying, so he is more intent on getting out. His win rate is too low for the maximizing of runs to be as important to him.

[@Addersea]

​@adaelion3772 I think it's a bit harsh to say 'not skilled enough' hahahah - had someone else taken the time to make it, and he was able to put the same run-time in as Etho and Cub, he'd be up there too! What gives Etho and Cub an edge is they play the meta game; they know card and tabletop game mechanics well, both have done some programming and competitive video gaming. From the start, they were skipping tomes because they knew the power in getting equipped VS others who didn't go in with a strategy, or whose strategy was to front-load their tome buying because they felt they couldn't compete in the late-game. Tango obviously thinks like that too - because he built the entire system! He's just committed itself to expanding the experience for others over getting runs himself. Nothing to do with his skillset :)

[@MoonyFBM]

@@adaelion3772 bruh tango made the game, do you know how many million times he's plated the game?? Just bc he hasn't "completed" it doesn't mean he's not skilled enough; he knows the game in and out and what strategy works best for which goal etc

[@wombat4191]

53:14 Gotta love that Joe still has so much interest in the game despite not being among the top runners! He's playing it because he likes it regardless of the competition around it, and comes up with ideas that make it better for players like him without making it any worse for the top dogs. That being said, I think it would be nice if the game was available for the hermits for a bit after the competition ends. I feel like the pressure of collecting tomes and all that keeps the hermits from doing some more interesting stuff, namely Deepfrost might end up not getting that much use because of that. They would definitely go there more if they had a generous amount of shards and no competition to think about. Not saying the competition is bad, just that the game would probably benefit from having a non-competitive phase as well.

[@guineapiggirl3103]

Like maybe after someone wins the game have a phase where anyone can run unlimitedly for a shot while so anyone can try things. I think it would be fun for hermits just to wander and check out stuff without worrying about compition.

[@Evie0h]

That’s like what I made myself do when I started playing Minecraft more and on survival. I was so terrified of survival, I played like a hardcore mindset like “I cannot die, it’s not the same if I do, i loose it all” even if I set it to easy, and I was so scared of the mobs and how to maneuver around at night or in caves that I once panicked so bad at a creeper walking out of a cave at me that my ears rang and I gave myself a headache and had to quit for the day lol. Ok rambling now, but what I meant was because I was like that, and worried I was playing wrong too, I made myself just open worlds and run around trying to do things foolishly so I could desensitize to failure and dying to mobs 😂 That was my version of having infinite Shards and no stakes, and the way I played before would be if I was worried about wasting Shards or failing to achieve enough from a run. Ok this comment was rambley and probably unrelated to your point at all 😅 whoops! Feel free to let me know if you’ve no idea what I’m going on about lmao

[@BlahCraft1]

Etho must either have amazing ears, or amazing headphones. He is always able to pinpoint noises in 3D space, whether they're Ravagers, Wardens, or loot dings.

[@lettersANnumbersonly]

Tango telling Joe it's a brilliant idea was a pretty wholesome moment for the dungeon master.

[@idkidkidk7112]

can you timestamp? 🎉

[@lettersANnumbersonly]

54:00 ish @@idkidkidk7112

[@lettersANnumbersonly]

A little earlier if you want the whole idea @@idkidkidk7112

[@PrimordialGoated]

​@@idkidkidk7112 Its started at 53:37

[@ariasparrowmusic]

Jimmy’s “who’s Willie?” has been living in my brain rent free since Secret Life. I can’t WAIT for Saturday

[@nighthunter3039]

In wich episode was that? I somehow missed that.

[@ariasparrowmusic]

@@nighthunter3039 Tango's Secret Life episode #3. Starts at 10:26

[@furryfoox]

@@nighthunter303911:15 in Jimmy's third episode

[@nighthunter3039]

@@furryfoox Thank you very much ^^

[@furryfoox]

@@nighthunter3039 np!

[@Galvinar]

@Tango - your conversation with Etho about deck size vs thinning. The most limited resource a player has is their frost shards. Which means making each run worth the most involves staying in the dungeon picking up as much loot as possible. If you're *really* min-maxing runs (cough greedy Etho cough) and not just grabbing your artifact and leaving, you're probably staying in the dungeon 'til you're at or near Max clank every time. Taking fewer cards means you get less loot and time per run. Deck thinning I think is another holdover strategy from Magic/other card games, where you need to get your most optimal cards in order to outplay the opponent. For Decked out the biggest opponent a player has (besides Beast #025) is time. To your point, if your strategy is "how can I get in, get the artifact, and get out as quickly as possible" then absolutely only play your best cards. There's no sense in running frost focus when running high clank block and treasure cards for keys makes runs faster and safer.

[@matthewparker9276]

I imagine once the competition is over an Etho can run without the limitation of shards he might experiment with small highly concentrated decks. Almost certainly running brilliance and 3 quicksteps.

[@iamfuturetrunks]

3:20:00 Clearly Tango doesn't remember the times where Etho is stuck in a bad spot waiting on ravengers to wander away while he is slowly running out of cards, or waiting for a card that gives him more speed or jump boost etc. :P

[@Lightning_Lance]

I don't fully agree with Tango because of Stumbles but your example is where a leaner deck would help a lot because you wouldn't be getting in those situations and if you did, the jump boost will play sooner.

[@stopmotionbrickstudios4855]

First Cubby Run! 34:10 First Joe Run 53:30 Second Joe Run 1:05:42 Third Joe Run 1:24:16 First Gem Run 1:38:08 Second Gem Run 1:49:16 Fourth Joe Run 2:12:40 Second Cubby Run 2:36:04 First Etho Run 3:24:04 Third Cubby Run 3:49:40 Second Etho Run 4:23:47 Etho Jedi Powers 3.0 4:30:35 Third Etho Run 4:51:57

[@mrmystic100]

Bro how already

[@rhysmennie7931]

Thank you!

[@kedargawande6404]

So fast!

[@christopheryau5206]

What is this amazingness? You sir are quick!!

[@SillySyrup]

​@@mrmystic100You haven't noticed? He is the God of Timestamps. He uses powers of foresight to pinpoint the exact timestamps of all the runs.

[@4203105]

Pearl did consider buying beast sense in her stream, but as soon as chat told her that it adds one clank, that consideration was over (Hermits do think clank matters). So maybe if you remove the negative and extend the duration a bit, by ringing the bells twice, some Hermits will pick it up afterall.

[@shanesunil]

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but Gem is thinking of removing Beast Sense from her Deck, once she reaches 40 cards.

[@acleamofhope]

I mean, it makes sense that ringing a bell increases the noise (aka the clank) in the dungeon. I think it would be great if you could somehow get information on where the wardens are in lvl 3&4 - i think someone in the Twitch Chat suggested that the world should be attracted to some designated area when beast sense is played

[@4203105]

@@acleamofhope the Hermits never hear the bell and the card looks like the player is sensing the ravagers psychically. So it only makes sense if you know and think about the underlying mechanic, which players shouldn't have to do.

[@finian2]

I actually think telling people what card they lose would be a buff, rather than a nerf. Because it allows them to adjust their strat around the card that was lost, whereas atm they don't know what's gone missing so they could be waiting for a lucky break that's never gonna come.

[@idkidkidk7112]

Only Bounding Strides will have some.significance right? But the psychological damage is there 😂

[@Fluffy-pt7hw]

I believe knowing what card they lose is more distracting than anything and there could simply be a sound signifying the loss of a card so as not to break the focus/rhythm of the card draws.

[@Hex...]

I’ve been thinking the same, I think the uncertainty that one of your top cards could be ditched without you knowing is a much better mechanic than a momentary sting of pain to hear the card

[@faithnfire4769]

@@idkidkidk7112 Loosing an Eerie Silence would be a massive difference in when you need to go. Esp for anyone with only two; might be the most important card to know if you loose it, ironically.

[@rynerss]

Emotional damage

[@DarkRose77100]

The conversation around thinning the deck v. Keeping the full 40 was very interesting to me. It really reflects the difference in play styles. Cub tends to run like a speed runner in and out and get what you can but dont really go out of your way style and Etho very much toes the line of staying to long to get the absolute most out of every run. So I can see why they think the way they do.

[@knulllord654]

Tango : Etho isn't scared of stumble and that is sickening. Etho 2 mins later : But now there are a lot of stumbles in our deck and it is gonna eat our Clank Block.

[@foryouphilanything]

i also feel you can see how scared etho is of stumble by how much he prioritizes clank block in his deck

[@follar00]

This almost exactly hints at the issue. I think it was a vicious circle. Tango currently thinks they get too much clank block, but its because clank was made very important so all the hermits just loaded up on every clank block card they could. So now tango thinks they get too much block

[@baseballjustin5]

I always love to see Etho's camera go shakey as you see his hand start to trimmer in his video lol

[@emilelesaffre]

@@foryouphilanythingIsn't stumble hazard?

[@interesting9688]

@@emilelesaffre No it's clank

[@SamBorgman]

Regarding your LEANER DECK talk with Etho and Cub, getting max return from each shard is also a major reason for utilizing every card to stay as long as possible. With lower win rate now, even 8+ crowns per winning run won't let them run indefinitely.

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

Just as a reminder, those pressure plates on floor 3 do not make wardens listen to them when a warden steps on them because it is considered a "warden caused noise", however wardens DO hear the pressure plate when it clicks back up by resetting, because mojang never fixed it to make that retain the entity that pushed it. That's why your level 3 wardens are so bad at chasing people right now, because every pressure plate stops them in their tracks.

[@roscocsa]

I love the hermits talking to each other during the runs. "You would only take a couple of hearts of damage" Unless you added a pickle

[@sagebauer1077]

Tango said that leaving with potentially 10 cards unplayed is "wrong". However, with the way stumbles get added, the longer the game goes, a higher % of your deck is going to be stumbles. At some point, if you have a 50% chance of drawing a stumble, it might be better to leave than have all of your cards play.

[@matthewparker9276]

Less so now that the card shuffler is fixed, but yeah, I'd be trying to leave with 5-10 cards still in the deck.

[@ZNotFound]

​@@matthewparker9276Still, the longer you stay the higher the chance of stumble getting drawn. If you have 9 cards left the chance for the stumble is 1/10. If you have 4 cards left it's 1/5

[@matthewparker9276]

@@ZNotFound it's even higher chances than that. Assuming a 40 card deck, by the time you're down to 10 cards left there is probably at least 3 stumbles in there, and 3 more will be added as you play those cards, so about half of your last 10 card draws will probably be stumbles.

[@MarioPlinplin]

This is a nightmare phase from a dev perspective. The shuffler, top players struggling and not pushing for level 4, fewer and fewer Hermits playing. Tango you're handling things really well. I send you a virtual hug, next phase is gonna go better!

[@Jockuptown]

Its not a nightmare the game is just unbalanced and theres nothing to incentivize the top players to run the hardest level. The overall goal of decked out is to get books to win the week, the card mechanic is a system that buffs you while in the dungeon so you can do harder runs that result in more embers to spend on more items in the shop. The obvious issue i see with this is the top players are encouraged to currently run level 3 runs only because the risk vs reward is most balanced here, why run level 4 for only a handful more embers and no guarantee of a rare card in the shop? Weaker players have 0 catch up mechanic to help them either buff their deck or get more books so they are driven away from playing the game because they will never be able to win a week/ are too far behind overall to compete. the store is a central point for all players of the game, it needs to be changed to reflect a players overall card count, more cards should mean a more randomized store, lower cards should mean a more guaranteed store. How i would address the issue Have level 4 runs guarantee rare card pops in the shop so at least those at the top know if they run it they will be certain to be able to get a rare card that comes up, this should heat up competition between them. books in the store should also be placed on a random pop for those with a high card count not running level 4, this would further push the top players to run level 4 knowing they are certain to be able to get the books for it. split the player base in half based on overall card count, those with less card count should be competing with each other and should be getting some type of random card draw loot for winning a week or something. This would elevate those with weaker decks to be on par with the top guys and naturally lead to them migrating into harder runs You can see these same mechanics in alot of online games and its because it works, you cant have everyone competing with everyone, you need to separate based on skill and then within that separation the risk vs reward needs to be balanced to where higher risk guarantees higher rewards.

[@dirahanra2610]

@@Jockuptown hopefully tango considers this. I'm with you regarding the guaranteed rare cards on lvl.4

[@idkidkidk7112]

Zed and Tango doing minecraft physics discussion is very beautiful to watch. That thumbnail is hilarious as well 😂

[@LavaAndDiamond]

Tango keeps worrying about things like the spiders passage not killing people as often or people being less worried about clank block than before, but I feel like it's good for things in earlier levels to get easier as you progress in the game?? Both because you gain in-game resources and because you gain skill and knowledge

[@knulllord654]

Cub : Focused on finding a key Gem : Tangooo!!.. Etho burned my crowns. Tango : Burn his back Etho : Fools! I am lightyears ahead. Cub (in his mind) : Is my run a joke to you guys? Start of clip : 4:03:20 Moment : 4:8:27 Excited to see jimmy and lizzies reaction to THE DEEP FROST CITADEL!

[@catntmeows]

Timstamp?.

[@knulllord654]

​@@catntmeowscheck edit bro

[@skrubknight884]

whats the timestamp on that?

[@knulllord654]

@@skrubknight884 start of clip is when gem dies and the moment is when the said convo takes place.

[@kierianiis]

It was such a “dad and bickering kids” moment

[@Bucknfl55]

I believe Etho is right regarding having 40 cards in your deck. If you are making it out every single time without fail with 30 cards - then sure, Tango is correct. However there have been a lot of cases where players get stuck trapped in the dungeon and their deck is basically empty when they leave. If they had only 30 cards and not 40 then they would be much less likely to succeed in those situations. Those extra 10 cards are basically insurance. Not to mention in any given run those common “trash” cards could also be the ones leftover at the end of a run. It’s not like they are guaranteed to play. So even if you take out 10 of the commons/in uncommons in your deck, your decks will stay play relatively the same

[@akr4s1a]

Etho really said "I have so many cards none of my 40 is trash"

[@raemckay]

The new catch-up suggested by Joe is really exciting and I hope it has the desired effect of bringing some players back to try. For Saturday's event, would it be a lot of trouble to set up an ender porter from your storage room back up to the lobby, so you can jump immediately back up there when they respawn in the locker room? Just for the sake of quick return to hear the guest reactions.

[@ritasonka330]

What was Joe's idea? I'm probably only going to watch some of the runs.

[@grimtapestry5585]

I think etho sees less value in limiting your amount of cards because his deck is weak on hazard, so his path out is usually impeded one way or the other.

[@jakepilot9327]

Very true

[@clausschuchmann118]

On the "Focused Sleeping" card idea: you could have tangocam in a box under the map, holding right click, and retract a block inbetween him and a bed, once the card is played. This way tangocam would sleep for the player in the dungeon

[@knulllord654]

It would require a regen beacon but nice ODEA PLEASE TELL ME YOU GOT THE REF.

[@tetratoric]

What would be the point?

[@clausschuchmann118]

Because one eyes willys behavior changes at nighttime, the idea of a card guaranteeing daytime came up. And my idea to make that happen is the concept of a bedbot (a player or bot designated to sleep as soon as possible every night). And to toggle the mechanic with a card, youd push a block inbetween the player and the bed, so he'd click either the bed or the block

[@idontcare_wtf]

Tangocam already has a purpose loading the map for the card stats

[@clausschuchmann118]

@@idontcare_wtf yes, tangocam is currently in spectator holding the map, but he could aswell be in creative or even survival so he could also sleep. Youd just need to put him in a safe box below the map so no mobs can reach him

[@AmeliaPond.]

Cub & Skizz or Etho & Skizz is my hopeful pairing. Out of all of them Skizz has me the most excited. Can’t wait to hear scream through the dungeon. You will probably be able to hear him scream from the lobby😂

[@jwhitely7]

Gem and skizz already have a good relationship

[@knulllord654]

Am I the only one that wants to see skizz and scar?

[@nmgg6928]

ALL THE SKIZZ!!!

[@AmeliaPond.]

@@knulllord654 no, but Cub and Etho have the better deck and cam coach Skizz to victory.

[@AmeliaPond.]

@@jwhitely7 maybe, but he has played with Etho for a long time now, they spent like 2 years playing Among Us. And the Life Series too. Anyways, I want Skizz with either Etho or Cub because they have the best deck and can coach Skizz to victory. I want Skizz to have the best chance of winning only because he is my favorite ☺️

[@faithnfire4769]

4:39:04 Tango - "I feel like spiders is way to easy now" Spiders immediately kills Etho. Spiders is awful, it's not the cave spiders it's the Ravager zoned right after it, no easy retreat no room to loop. If you miss it, you just die. It's a skill issue, but it happens a lot more than you would expect.

[@Mysterybox007]

Pretty sure Joes idea will make Hypno unbelievably happy. He can actually get evasions now 😂

[@Official_Super]

Tango you should really consider doing a drafting version for once decked out is over. Make packs with and assortment of cards. One rare, a few uncommons, Commons, and maybe even some keys. And let hermits draft decks with a limited amount of shards and see who gets the most points.

[@paperthin1780]

We all know that'd be etho😅

[@heyfefo8402]

@@paperthin1780 Yeah, i don't know who is expecting to be the lead on that case, but Etho is addicted.

[@eclipse9727]

Funnily enough, Etho had a TCG Draft idea a while back with pretty much the same premise. ...but when it would've been developed more, Decked Out happened.

[@Official_Super]

@@eclipse9727 that's super cool. I feel like it would work really well in decked out as well. The first rare card you get could dictate what kind of deck you try to build. Plus the idea of risking one of your games to get more cards instead of shards would be interesting

[@mercy9375]

I think it would be etho but cub might be close.

[@john_titor8074]

Every time "Stability" plays, I hear "Stumbility" which would be a funny card that generates 2 clank and 2 hazard but then gives you 6 Hazard block 😂😂😂

[@luc2442]

Same always hear stumbility😅

[@bobosaurus331]

So it gives you 2 clank and 4 hazard block?

[@john_titor8074]

@@bobosaurus331 If you already have at least two hazard block, yeah

[@Fallowspots]

I have not paid attention enough to that card to realize it wasn't meant to be stumbility, lol

[@riuphane]

Cannot wait for Saturday!! Sadly I won't be able to catch it live, but I will 150% watch the recording here!!

[@Skirakzalus]

32:48 "Your brilliance will be recycled" is an amazing out of context quote. :D

[@tukki649]

Thanks for the Vod Tango! A fun idea may be if the guest players shared a deck and grew it together allowing them to have that full growth experience in a short period. Such a simple idea I'm sure you've entertained it, but here is a +1.

[@LootbugLooter]

The amount of joy I feel seeing a new tango vod is indescribable. Watching hermits play decked out honestly brightens my day :)

[@knulllord654]

I have watched nearly 1000 DO2 runs and I still wanna watch more. Tongo you have created the Real content generator.

[@copperbonsai]

Far better than watching sports for me. I physically cheer and cringe for them more than any sports event.

[@Galvantula1]

Super interesting to hear the Lean vs Fat deck chat between Etho, Cub and Tango. I get where Tango is coming from but I think I'd be more inclined to do what Etho is doing and just get absolutely EVERYTHING I can out of the cards I have.

[@JohnTK]

The fact that multiple people can have multiple civil arguments about what kind of deck is the best deck strategy and both sides can find pros and cons to all strats discussed is a testament to tango’s game balancing skills.

[@dbseamz]

"Carp a DM" made me groan aloud, thank you for sharing that pun.

[@Spirit0502]

Easy-Hard you should thin the deck to maximize your treasure and try to time your clank and hazard block to the length of your run. Deadly-Deep Frost is when the safety net of extra cards is definitely worth it because the permasneaking takes too much time and will likely eat up cards down there anyway.

[@Spirit0502]

To delve further: If you are trying to build your deck you want to maximize your artifact value to increase your chance of getting a better card/more cards. If you are farming tomes then I’d run hard difficulty and farm embers with just enough treasure and clank block to buy your next key (in true DO1 Etho fashion)

[@flasco5445]

01:59:00 scar, card announcement is so brilliant it honestly was eerie i love it tango should add that oneee it was so damn good and fitting I know nobody gonna see this but ok

[@alexgrissom3513]

I see you

[@flasco5445]

​@@alexgrissom3513thanks homie♥️

[@ionmeth2031]

Etho can sit at the stairs because he's good. He use his cards efficiently. He shouldt be punished by playing good. That would just punish everyone together with him too

[@teshtishtoshtesh3218]

On one level, yes, I'm watching someone watch someone else play a video game... but what I'm really here for is the crunchy *game design* conversation that pops up here and there, and the redstone tidbits, and the level design/building. I love Minecraft as a tool to build games in, and it's great to see how your plans come together (OK, and how they go awry). Thank you for putting all of these things online for perusing!

[@Evie0h]

Watching someone watch someone play a game inside of a game! Lol

[@StuffandThings_]

I swear Etho gets both the worst luck and the best luck out of anyone in the game

[@ZombiezKey]

Extra cards is a good strategy!! Think of it as like a buffer. when a stumble is added to your deck, it becomes less and less likely for you to draw one the bigger your buffer is. even if it’s an ember seeker or something useless at max clank, it’s still better than a stumble. I know stumbles add up over time, but it’s still lower odds of drawing one with the buffer, and that could make or break your run

[@Lightning_Lance]

yeah Stumbles make deck thinning a lot worse

[@crownlexicon5225]

You're not the first person I've watched watching someone play a game, but you're definitely one of my favorites. I've watched the developers of Portal watch the Glitched Speedrun of their game in disbelief and it was wonderful!

[@mcu6023]

I love watching someone watching someone playing a game inside a game

[@4203105]

Etho and Cub seem to think Clank matters. They put a ton of clank block in their decks. Other Hermits regularly die from clank. Also Etho was worried about sitting at the top of those stairs for too long. He said so a few times afterwards. At that moment he was just more worried of getting blasted to bits. I know as the Dungeonmaster you have to worry about these things, but I'd say at the moment it's fine. Even if clank doesn't really matter, isn't the players thinking that it does all that matters?

[@konnergarrett5543]

I’m sure it was upsetting to hear the grumbles from them but I think it shows how much fun they’re actually having playing the game which should be an encouragement to tango

[@craigggo22]

Hey tango! Maybe consider giving hermits 5 or so shards at the beginning of next phase that are specifically for deep frost runs that way they have x amount of runs where they have to go to level 4 to spend those shards.

[@craigggo22]

Or since that’s a little unfair for the smaller deck hermits that have little chance of surviving level 4, here’s another idea in the same vein. They can turn in a shard for two deep frost runs. It wouldn’t have to be a permanent feature. Just one to get hermits trying deep frost runs more

[@bearpawdgamr2785]

Today I watched someone, watch someone, play a video game, inside a video game. And i Loved every second of it!

[@marckiezeender]

I think with the old shuffler, having more cards is an advantage, because if you were leaving with 10 cards, about 4 or 5 of them would be stumbles. But if stumbles are truly shuffled into the deck without bias towards later, I think it is better to only bring your best cards.

[@reubenstewart7995]

I am still so obsessed with watching decked out runs, what an amazing project by tango! But one question, does anyone know if skipping a card draw can skip a stumble and therefore be a fully positive event?

[@ethantemple8068]

I believe so yes

[@hoegoebaboe]

in that case it could also block the addition of the next stumble which has (almost) the same effect

[@acleamofhope]

Always love when i can switch from watching the VOD on Twitch to watching it here 😊

[@paxtonb.8437]

I love how Tango says hi to his family, it’s so sweet

[@Anyeaaam]

I love it when tango and zed get together 😂

[@ChiriVulpes]

Another catch-up mechanic would be a way to trade frost shards for a random set of keys in the crown shop. Players ahead or players very consistent wouldn’t ever trade frost shards for that bcuz they’re so valuable, but players that can’t even use all their frost shards would totally trade them for a higher chance of success I think. (The only other way for them to get rid of their frost shards is trading them to other players and that would be giving the further-ahead players an even greater chance of winning, which is why I think people have been accumulating shards so much)

[@GuardianCloudy]

Ive never seen your dog before!! I love it. Thank you for showing him on stream

[@VoidOperator]

I think the issue with Eyes on the Prize is that while it's a good card, it would need to be uncommon and affordable relatively early in the game so that it really helps with your options. As it stands, at the price it is, there's almost always something that can affect your gameplay more. I think a card can be undervalued but still too expensive. And that's all perfectly okay. You certainly don't need to change it. On a side note, fantastic change to Brilliance and Quickstep. You really honed in and figured out exactly why drawing extra cards just isn't good in a game like this compared to Magic or YuGiOh and the change is perfect from a game design standpoint

[@ExcitedSloth_]

Just thought of this while watching Gems run. Is it not ironic how much wardens hate people making noises when themselves are being sooo loud all the time.

[@benjaminp9628]

Dang Joe really loves to talk! Haha what a personality

[@gentlemen7627]

Tango- You’d be taking out pathetic cards Etho- My deck has no pathetic cards, Tango.

[@OpCode90]

(Verse 1) Gather close, ye miners, to a tale so grand, Of Willie, the Drown, with trident in hand. In Decked Out's realm, where the waters gleam, A marksman of the sea, accuracy his theme. (Chorus) Oh, he sails the waves with a trident true, Willie's aim is sharp, in the ocean's blue. Through coral reefs and the kelp so green, A Drown like Willie, a sight unseen. (Verse 2) With a flick of his wrist, the trident takes flight, Through the heart of the ocean, like a bolt in the night. Guardians and squids, his targets of choice, Willie's precision, a melody in the sea's voice. (Chorus) Oh, he sails the waves with a trident true, Willie's aim is sharp, in the ocean's blue. Through coral reefs and the kelp so green, A Drown like Willie, a sight unseen. (Verse 3) In the depths of the trenches, where darkness prevails, Willie's trident gleams as his foes set their sails. With a twirl and a throw, he strikes with grace, In the deep-sea ballet, Willie takes his place. (Bridge) Through shipwrecks and ruins, where treasures lie, Willie's trident finds its mark in the sky. With accuracy honed in the ocean's embrace, He sails with purpose, leaving no trace. (Verse 4) So here's to Willie, the marksman so fair, In Decked Out's waters, he reigns without compare. With trident in hand, and eyes keen and bright, He pierces the currents, in the pale moonlight. (Chorus) Oh, he sails the waves with a trident true, Willie's aim is sharp, in the ocean's blue. Through coral reefs and the kelp so green, A Drown like Willie, a sight unseen. (Outro) In the pixelated depths, where legends are spun, Willie's trident sings, a sea shanty begun. A symphony of accuracy, in waters profound, A ballad for Willie, the Drown renowned!

[@25Goner]

54:00 actual genius idea by joe, i hope it gets more people in the run!!!

[@Amoschp524]

Tango will be legendary to the Etho fan community for all the Etho Streams of 2023.

[@tomohitohomemade6980]

"You'd think I'm leaving?" LOL we all forget it is Etho we are talking to and about.

[@natthesquirrel]

Its beautiful when the players and the gamemaster are all annoyed but the players still rush to make sure Tango knows how much fun they are having and how great the game is!

[@MFD8724]

I have been waiting for the guest runs of Decked Out for weeks now. I am so hyped. I cannot wait. Gonna be amazing.

[@marckiezeender]

Fix for level 4's entrance: If you push the basalt with pistons right as the tnt blows up, it will guarantee that it is all destroyed.

[@trucvanessa2346]

In Etho's last run when he got out Tango pushed his eyebrows up and he looks just like a disappointed villain 😂

[@craftyrose7392]

Question on the new Brilliance and Quick Step cards mechanics, what happens when a Brilliance plays(which cycles the next 2 cards back in) and Quick Step plays right after(which cycles the next 1 card back in)? Obviously Quick Step goes back into the deck but what about the next card? It can't be cycled back in twice so would the next card after that be cycled in as well or would just the one be cycled in and you lose that extra one going back into the deck? I absolutely love watching these vods, seeing everyone's runs from a different perspective and being able to get a glimpse into how this massive game operates and how Tango works so hard to make such an awesome game!!

[@somethingelse4204]

People sleep on how cool Cub is.

[@iohannus]

You should totally have an employee of the month hall with most deadly denizen for each phase. The row of ravager and willie heads on the wall would be fantastic.

[@lx-icon]

I really love the idea of pairing hermits as mentors to the players on Saturday, as well as presumably pairing the best mentors with Jimmy, Skizz, etc. I'm guessing Mumbo will be considered as the best mentor given his 75% winrate? :p

[@kierianiis]

I really want Doc to be paired with Joel, they’re both so competitive

[@lx-icon]

@@kierianiis ooooh yes that’s a great pairing! My other hopeful pairings are Etho + Lizzie, Gem + Skizz, Pearl + Martyn, Cub + Jimmy, and Hypno mentoring Hbomb - though also sincerely hoping America’s Sweetheart Joe Hills is present!

[@hahatommy93]

Adding a clock in the Halloween witch hut would give it another purpose and help those getting snipped by Willie have a way to check if the other hermits are focused sleeping or not.

[@EpicDruid]

I have been waiting all day for this vod😊

[@deltamico]

Card limits fix - no second filter required Change the hoppers, which the droppers are unloaded into, to also be droppers. At the end of the game rapid pulse them to reset the count. Briliance is played before the reshuffeled card so when that card is played the signal is allowed through. Take signal of any card played AndGate it with Briliance active and run it into the new dropper of corresponding card module.

[@LathosZan]

3:15:40 So, I broadly agree eith what Tango is saying, if you really want to make sure you play Eerie Silence, you want to make sure there are fewer cards in the way...... but also, every card slightly reduces the chance you'll play Stumbles, and since you can just sit in the dungeon forever, you may as well have a full deck. In a traditional deck builder, you want a leaner drck because not only do you have a finite amount of cards from your deck that you can theoretically play per turn, you also have no penalty for running out of cards, like drawing Stumbles (although I think draw power is too strong in deck builders and adding some sort of "you played your whole deck, so now your excess draw power deals damage to you" might be an interesting option.

[@TheWestcoastnz]

Love the work as always tango ❤️

[@Suyeonhee]

Glad to see everything is going great! Imo, 1st and 2nd place will go to either Etho or Cubfan. It's exciting to see who comes out on top. Although I am more excited for 3rd and 4th place seating. Gem, Scar, Joe, and Hypno are good contenders and it's a large competition between players. I have a feeling that Grian, False, Pearl, and Bdubs could steal 4th place, maybe 3rd. Decked Out is very exciting. I can imagine how fun it is to run the dungeon, but as a spectator I'm having a lot of fun thinking and watching to see who gets what rank when the time comes. Excited for this Saturday too! Keep up the amazing work Tango :)

[@Blueeyesthewarrior]

I love that Tango streaming DO2 is such an event. A bunch of hermits watch the stream and sometimes hop onto the server just to comment on the stream. So much fun!

[@nathanielhill8156]

40:00, card limiter chat. Have you considered locking out/ bypassing the counters while the recycle line is active? I don't know how your redstone is set-up, but is there a block or hopper that could make the counters not increase while quick step is active? I listened further and someone brought up the same thing, but I think we are talking about turning off all counters while the return system is active. I'm suggesting not counting the first time the card passes through when it's recycled

[@YOM2_UB]

While I don't know Tango's redstone, I agree that this in theory would be the easiest solution if it were feasible to add. Override the counter when the next card will be recycled, to prevent it from decrementing before getting re-added to the deck, instead of trying to figure out how to make it re-increment a specific counter afterward. The problem then would be if somebody brought more of an ethereal card than they were meant to, and one was played while a recycle was queued, they would activate too many of that card. The perfect solution would override everything except etherials, but this situation is probably rare and definitely more manageable by honor system so not a massive priority.

[@Lightning_Lance]

I think it would be easier to just double the effect of the next card played instead of making the card play twice. That bypasses the whole issue.

[@ritasonka330]

3:38:45: Etho wants the larger deck size because he is VERY scared of stumbles (which is also why he devotes so much of his deck to clank block), and big decks dilute stumbles and slow them down, giving him MORE TIME! It's hazard that he isn't that afraid of. You're saying MTG-style "Why wouldn't you play just your thirty best cards," and Etho's thinking "Why would you waste your looting time by consistently leaving at 30/40 cards, or invite more stumbles by only playing 30?!?"

[@combrade-t]

Hearing you talk about the "suit up" for non-hermits chance to play DO event reminds me: From people's runs I don't think it's currently used. If i recall it was Resistance 2, and I think I remember hearing you say you thought you could only do that, you can just do resistance 1 in the beacon instead, just selecting the one on the left. I feel the card is still fairly strong I would say mostly on Level 2, because of the vexes and Willy and skeletons whereas Level 1 it's mostly vexes and close-corridor encounters with Ravagers - But I am not aware of any hermits playing it. Which Kind of makes sense, it's an insurance card at the cost of having to move slower to avoid clank or spend less time in the dungeon, and a greater benefit is reducing the amount of food consumed to heal if you do take damage. It's best for escaping, not so much for actually getting down, and the Hermits that have been pushing down level 3 are either: competent in escaping so the threats it avoids are less so, or they greed hard to still take that threat but the card means you can be in the dungeon for less time. Conceptually the card is very fun (Full suit armour but you make more noise), although I think it could've maybe served better as an Ethereal card, such that you can get it to be in less danger when trying to explore a level you're less confident with. Probably a more expensive alternate to moment of clarity, but for a crown Ethereal it would've been quite valuable also. Looking forward to sitting down to watch the VOD from saturday, lots more people getting to give a go to Decked out will be v. entertaining.

[@Stella-onehalf]

You definitely just need to make the rewards for going to level 4 a lot better. The incentive of a slightly better artifact just isn't worth the risk of staying on level 3 for that long. Simply massively increasing the amount of treasure on level 4 could make it worth it, maybe it could be the one level where frost embers naturally appear even without ember cards. Or there could be a more substantial reward.

[@Lightning_Lance]

I agree it would feel better but in terms of game balance it doesn't really matter percentage-wise how many extra embers you're getting, what matters is that you're getting more of them at all and thus are able to buy better cards that you would otherwise never be able to buy if you didn't do level 4 runs

[@atinyhorse1455]

Maybe all deepfrost artifacts can afford at least the most expensive card, and a rare is guaranteed upon selecting deepfrost.

[@sp0ny573]

I would like to see heat maps on the official website mapping out used paths as well as death locations. Also stats of bushes used, artifact locations % would be amazing.

[@anandgoray]

Card idea - safety net - if you are not running a full deck(30-35 cards max) 50% chance to get -5 hazard +5 sneak +5 treasure +5 embers

[@speechiespeech]

love this game so much! Thank you Tango!

[@Evie0h]

1:43:04 LMAO I have a sleep timer on KZbin, and as she screamed “NOBODYS SLEEPING!” Tango scream got cut off perfectly as I got a pop up telling me it’s time for bed 😂

[@SpectralArchivist]

1:48:42 I would actually love this so much- My "get to sleep" alarm could be "Eerie Silence..." and my waking alarm could be "The Dungeon is ready for its next victim."

[@77Brainfreeze]

I really want to see a scompas card for Skizz that drops 20 cobble and 20 torches.

[@kaitlynfarley6745]

the anxiety i felt for Cub when he walked through the lava hazard O.O I held my breath lol

[@ZactheDragon]

While I agree with Tango's argument, I believe maxing the deck size is more beneficial than streamlining to say 30 cards. You will always gain Stumbles periodically, the higher your card count the lower the chance of stumble being pulled.

[@olivermuthu4243]

5 and a half hour stream we are blessed

[@GalvenGoldwind]

Love the game. One thing that "might" be interesting is rather than locking, you could add clank if it goes over cap, than you might want to diversify your deck at under cap to build around brilliance. Thanks for all the hard amazing work you have put in this!

[@grfn9964]

I absolutely love the different types of ideas on strategy with this game. Absolutely love it 3:14:32

[@GingerRaab]

Amazing work as always, love seeing the evolving Dungeon! Skill Issue Card Idea: Permanent Card grants Sprint(or resistance) the entire run but increases Hazard generation rate(or max hazard to start), similar to what you did with clank for Suit Up, if the redstone is possible.

[@sevenfifteen]

I just thought, how fantastic it would have been, to see Technoblade do Decked Out 2.

[@atinyhorse1455]

Imagine a card that opens potato farm plots to replace the berries.

[@ValleyofLilacs]

Oh my god yeah that would have been awesome

[@madhmpf]

There is a trivial solution to fix the issue with your card limiters: just power all the droppers from above, while the system is in recycle mode. That way, any card that is about to be recycled won't count toward the limit. Same effect as a "dynamic" limiter, but waaay easier to implement.