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[@raminpro9765]

are you stupid ? do you see tomshardware review new 9700x cpu eat 14600k ? many reviewer dont anable PBO (cpu run in base 4.40ghz not 5.50ghz and 1 memory channel).see tomshardware review 9000 cpu need enable PBO can run turbo 5.50ghz and 2 memory channel

[@selohcin]

This is astonishing. After a year and ten months, I expected no less than a 15% improvement from the previous generation.

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

@@selohcin it probably IS 15% *IPC* improvement…but when counterbalanced by the much reduced power usage the improvement is taken down to single digits

[@selohcin]

@@kenshirogenjuro873 I didn't say "15% IPC improvement"; I said 15% performance improvement. Higher IPC is useless if the performance doesn't improve.

[@datriaxsondor590]

Key problem here, is calling it the 9700X. It's essentially a 9700, given AMD's recent naming conventions for a 65W TDP. Or at least, the 7700X, is actually a 7800X, being a 105W TDP./ Naming and labels, always to these types of messes. AMD should be releasing a 9800X with 105W TDP as well, to have a more level comparison. In the end, no matter how this is sliced, it's a mess of AMD's doing.

[@kaseyboles30]

With laptops and sff cases being so popular going for higher efficiency is a smart move. Watch what happens when this architecture is part of the next high end portable apus. We're looking at 40 cu rdna 3.5 + and cpu cores that use 60% the power of previous gen for slightly better performance. It's not all about raw performance any more.

[@xblur17]

4:07 use your eyes brother, the 9700x (especially with maxed PBO) is getting 160 higher fps than the 7700x in the 1% lows, and competes with the 7800x3d. This is a tremendously good result for a measly 9700x non x3d chip.

[@MadClowdz]

Yeah, no one is talking about the better 1 and .1% lows, which is promising....no more AMDip??

[@jamegumb7298]

Alos much worse AES and SHA-1 than the 7K series. That may or may not matter much to you. Better efficiency as well. I want a 9900X3D now. KiCad and Handbrake should run superb though.

[@christophermullins7163]

What gamer enjoys having a 700watt heater blowing on your boys all summer?.. I am impressed with a lot about this generation. Ppl can hate but I know that the 9800x3d will be 20% or more faster than 7800x3d. Just giving it the same tdp amounts for a decent uplift. Zen5 specifically has a reworked cache system. The entire point of zen5 is to segment the market with very efficient production CPUs on one side and 120-150 watt 8core 5.2ghz gaming beast on the other. This is not for gaming. It does what AMD wanted it to do. People will continue to swap to AMD while the serve all buyers perfectly.

[@Haydatsanime]

@@christophermullins7163 mhmm, If the 9900x3d and 9950x3d are as good as I think they're going to be, I'll for sure aim for one. I have a 5800x3d, primarily play on Linux and most of the games I play run better in Linux, I remembered reading reports that the 5800x3d was worse than the 5800x because lower clock and that Linux didn't work well with the cache for gaming, but I've tested 5600x, 5700x, 5800x as well as 5700x3d and 5800x3d in the same system and can confirm at least in the games I frequent, they perform much better. Seeing these new CPUs has definitely inspired me to upgrade when the new x3d become available.

[@selohcin]

Gamers don't care about that.

[@kenkham6145]

I love how KZbinr are shitting on ryzen 9000 series. AMD was playing it safe, look at 13th and 14th Gen Intel, trash. Basically upgrade to 9000 series if you still on 5000 series. This video is trash, dislike

[@CDAProst]

Intel offers 5 year warranty for its 13th and 14th gen cpu. With AMD 9000 series you get crashes at day 1 lol

[@Sheards]

@@CDAProst Yeah 5 years warranty just to be denied by the customer service once you RMA your CPU.

[@GRIGGINS1]

Yeah some content creators have lost the plot. People use their PCs for more than just gaming.

[@adi6293]

@@CDAProst You always get crashes day one, same thing happened with 12th Gen, that's why never buy day one, wait at least few weeks for shit to get ironed out

[@skullcsr]

@Dr_b_ Ooff bro, sad to be you, rude and ignorant... Please do some research before talking nonsense. Buy an i7 or i9 from 13th or 14th gen, then try to RMA it when it goes to shit, seems you are lost in life and don't watch any news.

[@Haydatsanime]

I do think AMD should've explained to the reviewers that these chips are heavily undervolted at stock, run on low power with less heat and have high overclock headroom. Sure though, the 9xxxX3d chips will be better for gaming, but a moderate pbo tuning on this chip lets it keep up and sometimes surpass the 7800x3d, especially in higher resolutions. If you're a 1080p gamer, you dont need this, you need a better monitor or monitors. Most of these reviews, including hub and GN are showing off this chip basically in eco mode. If youre an enthusiast, you wont be playing your games with energy saving tweaks and a tiny stock amd cpu fan. A few people have showed that when these chips get turned up a bit, moving from 65w closer to 90, they can easily throw hands with 7800x3d in most games, especially above 1080p. We've also seen them finally catching up to intel cpus in non-gaming performance but around 100-120w instead of 300. Too hasty, you have been. Just like when the 5800x3d launched it got shit on until people saw it in games. These cpus are sleepers, and i bet people will have more favorable opinions over the next few weeks. Especially once new chipsets and bios updates come around.

[@remmykun8315]

Those CPUs are exactly what I was looking for. I’m on Ryzen 5000 and I skipped Ryzen 7000 because it was less efficient and hotter. Now we get like a refinement of that architecture with better efficiency and temps. Perfect 👌

[@charlesg5085]

I don't know why everyone craps on the 9700x so much. What I loved about am4 as well as the 7800x3d is super efficiency. My room stays cooler. Smaller, quieter pcs...

[@nossy232323]

@@charlesg5085 Well, AMD promised a lot more performance and didn't deliver. They literally lied. Of course people are disappointed.

[@charlesg5085]

@@nossy232323 I wasn't aware of what they promised. I just looked it up. It looks like they promised 16% ipc. I am going to look into this a bit. I can understand why people would be pissed.

[@TheBlackIdentety]

The sheer amount of tech illiteracy in this comment is hilarious. 😂😂

[@adi6293]

@@nossy232323 They did deliver , performance per watt is much better , they just didn't chase the clocks so it looks worse

[@mikeramos91]

Reminds me of the days intel was on top. They became too comfortable with minor upgrades every generation

[@anubisTC]

Cheaper, cooler, less energy consumption...Stability concerns aside, I dont see it being THAT bad. I'm excited for X3D and I really dont think is a flop.

[@Confector69]

What do you expect. To have like +50% perf gain per cpu gen? Lol. Do you wanna spend 2000€ on the cpu alone?

[@matthewelisha8797]

It would actually suck if they made big improvements every generation because then I would be tempted to buy a new CPU every two years. I prefer to upgrade my CPU a lot less frequently than my GPU.

[@daysyn4573]

​@@mikeramos91 What I see is mostly for wattage efficiency, if you want fps you can wait fot x3d chips

[@xlr555usa]

With Intel bagsagging, I heard through the grapevine Amd is going to stop production of everything except Threadripper, with prices starting at $5000, what a rip off.

[@CaptainCave-t3n]

It blows me away Intel did this with 13th to 14th gen hardly any difference. Now Ryzen same bs. Im waiting for 9900x before i just get 7800x3d.

[@richardyao9012]

AMD cut power consumption by 40%. Intel increased power consumption when going to the 14th generation. This is very different.

[@alldecentnamestaken]

Huge disappointment considering how hyped Zen 5 was. Given the stability issues no idea why anyone would go Zen 5 when Zen 4 is only a couple % slower and a known, stable quantity.

[@kaisersolo76]

A classic Gamers take. Man you know better X3D is what you should be waiting for. to be fair 40 watts less and still 5%-13% performance improvement in mixed workloads is a engineering win, especially for AMDs main income that is servers , laptops especially the next few years.

[@bodasactra]

Does this look like an enterprise tech channel to you?

[@FrankAndreasLia]

@@bodasactra Agreed. Know your audience, normal desktop consumer don't care about 40w less for the same perf. I know electricity is more expensive then before but that won't make much of a difference on your power bill. Normal ryzen 9000 is a dud, maybe X3D-varient will the winner here, but this ain't it chief!

[@faruknane]

There is no efficiency gain when you compare it to 7700 or 7800x3D. The price of 7800x3D is same with 9700x now. Only 5-7% increment in performance. 7800x3d and 9700x consume the same power

[@Silversurfer9821]

AMD definitely messed up, but I blame Zen 5 flop on AMD being scared by Intel's mishaps. When you unlock power and do memory tuning, I saw a Ryzen 5 9600X OC'd with 8000Mhz RAM go to the top of the charts in FF XIV game benchmarks. I saw this trend in mobile Zen 5 memory controller as well, where it seems to handle higher bandwidth much better than last gen. Can everyone overclock? No, so it's still a flop on AMD side for putting their engineering success to waste.

[@hendrx]

I wish nobody buys them, so I can get them cheaper lol those temps are amazing

[@lyonkennedy5588]

Thank you for this video. I usually watch your videos to get the gist or TL;DR of what the major issues were for a particular topic. I didn’t have time to watch GamersNexus or LTT, so I immediately went to your channel to get the high-low about what was wrong with Zen 5. I still think the power efficiency is great, so if AMD can significantly drop the price on these new Zen 5 non-X3D chips then maybe it won’t be that bad of a launch. We’ll have to wait and see.

[@B3tterEv3ryDay]

prices are high, the should've been like this: 9600x - 250$ 9700x - 330$ 9900x- 450$ it's fine 9950x - 550$ I like that AMD went with power efficiency as their primary focus, but the performance increase it's still dissapointing. I hope their next gen at least increases the core count per CCD while offerinvlg at least 10% improvement

[@NGreedia]

It's underwhelming considering there were claims it would be 20-50% faster a few months ago

[@atnfn]

It's like RDNA 4, 6800XT vs 7800XT. Seems AMD can't make any faster GPUs or CPUs anymore. Well at least they don't crash.

[@owentharp6906]

@@atnfn what are you talking about? this man has one of the worst takes i've seen. They use less power, they perform nearly close to the 7800x3d or better, they are cheaper, they use less heat, literally no downsides.

[@owentharp6906]

they literally beat out the 7700x as well by quite a lot in every game as well. I don't know what hes saying. It literally does so much better.

[@lonewolf_2022]

They only thing I don't like is price point. TDP improvements are always welcome. Zen5 is designed to capture Data centers.

[@typen3k0]

AMD fanboys buying up all the copium today.

[@Booth73]

Why is it that when intel came out with 14th gen everyone completely shit on them for doing it but yet amd does the exact same thing and yet they get a much bigger break from people. Its like its not as big of a deal that amd done this but when intel did god forbid it was the worst thing they've ever done. And no im not intel bias i really dont care who wins in the cpu war but it just seems like youtubers are being very light on amd but they condemned intel for 14th gen. Makes no sense to me

[@AngelA-tj9ok]

What? Exact same thing?

[@Booth73]

@AngelA-tj9ok yes. From 7000 to 9000 is like a 3% upgrade in gaming loads and maybe 10% in very certain apps and even loses in some to 7000 but yet no one is shitting on them like they did intel for 14th gen. The power draw isn't that big of a issue between 7 and 9000 also when u compare 9700x 65w tdp to 7700 non x 65w tdp it's maybe a 5% uplift over 7000

[@jonduke4748]

The server market will love it though.

[@jonduke4748]

You folks realize that's where the real money and competition is, don't you?

[@jonduke4748]

Apparently not.

[@ehenningsen]

Server market like Threadripper and Epyc, not Ryzen

[@Games_and_Tech]

Where is the people calling me crazy for saying zen5 was disappointing at the press conference 🤡🤡🤡 zen5 is really disappointing

[@skullcsr]

It's not disappointing at all, barely no one cares about heat or power efficiency these days. People who only care about raw power are clowns.

[@Games_and_Tech]

@@skullcsr where is the power efficiency when you game? Nowhere

[@2284090]

AMD Ryzen 5 is doing great with efficiency and heat i really think its best gen from Ryzen series

[@Confector69]

​​@@Games_and_Techi guess you should go to intel then. Have fun with your 450W 14900k cpu 🤡. I hope you have enough LN2 to cool down your precious raw power bro.

[@Games_and_Tech]

@@Confector69I have had all amd CPUs since zen2, this is the first generation I am not upgrading...

[@perceptixn]

I'm really surprised with this ryzen 9000 gen.. I thought the 9600x/9700x will be on par with an 7800x3d, because I remember the R5 7600(x) is somewhere around on par with 5800x3d. So now I don't have to feel "bad" because I already bought 7800x3d one week ago, lol.

[@Haydatsanime]

Most reviews are at stock settings with pbo turned off, this can beat 7800x3d especially above 1080p. The 9800x3d or any variant will be potent

[@sudd3660]

cpu's are power limited, so a 65watt performance 9700x did pretty well. most people are not buying a 65 watt part for gaming, usually a x part is over 100 watt. for me with a 12700k i would get a large improvement goin with a 9700x, i just need a lower watt cpu for it to be cool and silent.

[@saricubra2867]

You would get a perfomance downgrade, the 12700K has 12 cores and the IPC of Alder Lake is still higher than Zen 4. Target a Ryzen 9 instead.

[@saricubra2867]

I have my 12700K air cooled reaching 67 degrees max on Cinebench R23 with a Corsair 5000D Airflow case and Deepcool Assassin 3, the fan noise is lower than my fridge. Don't abandon your 12700K yet, it's the best i7 Intel made in a decade, the perfomance per watt is excelent, i made a music production PC with that beast.

[@Confector69]

@@saricubra2867 a 12700k is actually an 8 core cpu. Typical intel customer mistake: thinks a intel e-core is the same as a normal core. Dont count them.. in fact they decrease your performance even in production. I had a 12700k and turned off these useless ecores.. i got a performance increase in gaming and dev. Another edit: 12700k needs to be compared with the 8 core counter part of amd. My 7900X with 5.6ghz all core does compile my code 35% faster than the old 12700k.

[@Confector69]

@@saricubra2867 furthermore, i think you dont know what ipc means. It means instructions per cycle. Amd clearly has higher ipc in multithreading, which is crucial for production.

[@saricubra2867]

@@Confector69 Do you know that my old 12700K with 4 weak e-cores is faster your newer 7900X on PS3 emulation while clocking lower? "Typical intel customer mistake: thinks a intel e-core is the same as a normal core." It's in the name e-*core* .Cores are still cores and my 12700K beats the big core only 5900X. "in fact they decrease your performance even in production. I had a 12700k and turned off these useless ecores.. i got a performance increase in gaming and dev." WTF are you talking about? i felt a massive lag in the PC after turning off those cores and i ended up losing FPS on games and significantly worse perfomance on FLSTUDIO. So that is how a 7700X would feel? By the way, my 12700K only has 20 threads, your 7900X has 24 threads, of course using newer Zen 4 it would be faster in multithread.

[@pedrofigueiredo3660]

Bro, aren’t you the Display Guy??

[@lamjk10]

@pedrofigueiredo3660 yes he is.

[@budthecyborg4575]

Only when he takes off the disguise he's wearing right now.

[@specterhteps2958]

@@pedrofigueiredo3660 he has many hats

[@Daniel_WR_Hart]

His jokes are a lot raunchier on the faceless channel lol

[@whoshotya117]

Was looking for a possible upgrade from 13th gen, looks like Ill be waiting another generation.

[@iulianhodorog9979]

Slightly better performance at under 70% energy is amazing, wtf!

[@hendrx]

facts, these reviewers are insane

[@4epa1012]

People care about performance, not so much about power saving. This is not a heater lmao 😂

[@gloriousblobber9647]

@@4epa1012 To hell with performance. Look where that got Intel.

[@levelup89204]

no we need both

[@B3tterEv3ryDay]

That would be great, but compare tbem to the 7000 series non X parts , and they are like 5% improvement at the same power draw, now that it's dissapointing

[@projectc1rca048]

So for gaming the 7800X3D still reigns Supreme, got it.

[@kusumayogi7956]

Zen5 is actually zen4+

[@shlupik-4505]

Bro, look other comments and reviews

[@4epa1012]

Zen 5%

[@dwu9369]

If 9700X couldn't at least match the 7800X3D, just imagine the performance of the Zen 5 X3D parts.

[@Confector69]

What? A general purpose cpu couldnt beat a gaming cpu? Oh no! Anyway.

[@dwu9369]

@@Confector69 Didn't 7700X match 5800X3D?

[@Confector69]

@@dwu9369 dats a difficult question for me because from 5000 to 7000 there was a ram gen upgrade from ddr4 to ddr5 and this ram upgrade alone can boost gaming perf by approx 5-15% depending on the game and the ram speeds and timings 👀. They also doubled the L2 cache of ryzen 7000X. (Ryzen 9000x cache size will be exactly the same as 7000x if im not mistaken) Now if the cpu needs to fetch data for the game, and this data is in the cache, it will respond super fast, but if its not in the cache it will result in a microlag cuz now it needs to fetch it from the slow ram. Ddr4 is like much slower than decent ddr5, but the probability of cache misses for 5800x3d must be much lower.. but if it missed then it sucked real hard not having ddr5.

[@Dexion845]

@@dwu9369 Should we expect more than 3-5%? The only difference is IPC This architecture is limited by its DDR5-6000 limit.

[@Natedaskate]

My 5900X is still going strong. I hope the 9900X and possible X3D SKU show promise else just sticking it out for longer.

[@volnas1665]

Well for the last 9 years I've been sticking to AMD. Looks like I might be switching to Intel for the next PC. I hope the 9900X3D will redeem itself in gaming.

[@RonWillemsen]

For me personally it doesnt matter. I have a 8 year old system, so anything is a upgrade. Although.... I played with the idea to wait for the X3D, or Core Ultra 285, if that would be better, more stable etc. I have time. I allready saved money for a highend system with a 5090, and a Asus 4K QD Oled monitor, among others and preferably a X3D. As long as my curent system runs as it does now ... Im in no hurry, to order a custom to build PC. So we wait 😊

[@mattirealm]

AMD is always most disappointing correct? Yes it is correct. They had a chance to do some mighty fine work here and they just screwed up. Just because Intel sucks doesn't mean AMD also doesn't suck right now. We need better and we need to expect better

[@carlosgouveia]

Zen5 is to Zen4 the same 14th gen is to 13th

[@bodasactra]

It feels like the traditional AMD/Intel CPU process has finally hit the wall of current tech. Intel decided to throw unlimited power at it until their shit turned to the dark side. AMD stopped short of that cray cray relying on V-cache as workaround but, that to has hit it's limit. I am good, my AM4 builds have grown into proper premium beast via upgrades. Comforting to know I can keep them for main use, stable, capable, and competitive. ~HAPPY PASS TWO, THE SEQUEL~

[@Aerobrake]

This is the kind of stuff that made intel make 13th and 14th gen this bad. if you push the power and heat too far and dont even remotely consider performance per watt, what is the point?? AMD is literally doing the opposite of Intel now and people are complaining. Yeah its Day 1 and there will be issues. I literally have the worst buyers remorse from buying a 13700K and Z790-I board. I have had BSODs since day 1 of having it almost every week. I will switch to a 9800X3D and likely not use ASUS. Kinda hurts because I used intel for pretty much my entire like but then again i am starting to embrance the open source non proprietary nature AMD is going for.

[@richardyao9012]

I have wanted to see the industry reduce power consumption generation over generation. AMD finally did it. This is amazing.

[@ivanjeremic3987]

It is not shameful, very power efficient, temps. are cool again, my 5800x vs. 9700x looks like oven... There is a room for OC...And still has decent temps.

[@LookItsDev]

@@ivanjeremic3987 I agree. I’m hoping the X3D chips follow suit and see cool temperatures. We can’t say the whole generation is a flop based off two CPUs. I’ll remain hopeful for the X3D chips.

[@anubisTC]

AND IS CHEAPER. A little, but is cheaper. IDK why people are being so negative.

[@Confector69]

​@@anubisTChe is actually the only youtuber hating amd. Maybe he gets paid by userbenchmark lol

[@anubisTC]

@@Confector69 He just showed another one complaining. There was Brazilian one too. Anyways... that might not hurt their credibility, but will make people think trice about their opinions. Is not that bad tbf.

[@rikogarza1729]

I have to agree, this is the same argument that KZbinrs use for NVIDIA, it’s more power efficient, but amd is faster, uhm but nvidia is more energy efficient, but uhm amd is still faster in raster. So way to be a hypocrites I think it’s great!

[@Twisted0614]

Im planning to upgrade from a 3900xt to the zen 5 x3d whenever that comes out, shouldnt be a shameful uplift :)

[@AskGrey]

This youtubers must be paid, this AMD CPU gen is awsome. 65W battling with 14900k for performance. Not to mention the price saving in the power bill and and a 200W reduction in PSU

[@hendrx]

facts

[@Haydatsanime]

@@AskGrey now imagine unlocking that and pushing between 100-120w. Skatter has made some serious day one headway with oc, and I bet it gets much better over the next few months

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

Nah he definitely isn’t paid…but a lot of reviewers are mistakenly negative about this generation (at least on release) so far. Some of it is just not being realistic in expecting solid performance uplift *simultaneously* with significantly reduced power usage, especially given leaks all this time suggesting larger performance gains, and some of it is AMD not presenting their product very well. The fact that a day later such a large percentage of users are commenting about any performance uplift happening with such lower temps and power consumption as a definite positive shows a good percentage of the market were *never* really comfortable with the high temps and wattages of last gen’s chips whether from Intel or AMD. In which case AMD probably made a *mostly* good choice…albeit maybe a little overboard, and maybe a little sloppily. I think the smarter choice would have been to release these as 9600 and 9700 respectively, have the stock setting be this mild, and have PBO unlock a little more juice. Then there’s still room to have more aggressive 9600X and 9700X chips release later as better-binned chips accumulate and to compete against ArrowLake. But big picture I don’t think this is a significant misstep. 7800X3D sales and reviews alike show gamers and reviewers as well are overwhelmingly unconcerned about non-X3D gaming performance. It’s the 9800X3D that AMD needs to ensure can extract maximum gaming performance out of the box. That will be the litmus test for this generation.

[@faruknane]

Compare 9700x to 7700 or 7800x3D and you will see that there is no huge efficiency. With the same power, the perf is only improved by 5-7%

[@hendrx]

@@faruknane huge cap, we're talking about half of the power draw

[@2000kenm]

Hey Guys if you look at the latest info these chips are designed for AI workloads and future technologies - is faster than a 14900k at 1/3 wattage. Not built just for fps.

[@kaseyboles30]

Sorry, but this architecture is likely a huge win. Yes they only get a small improvement on the desktop, but the trend is more towards ITX and laptop and so on.

[@jamegumb7298]

@@kaseyboles30 But itx is the desktop.

[@AndyViant]

Then they should have made a different architecture for both, rather than creating SKU's for desktop that are horribly compromised.

[@kaseyboles30]

They only reason these cpu's only outperform the previous gen a few percent is their choice of a 40% lower "tdp". Derbauer got a 25% uplift with a simple overclock. And with what's going on with Intel and the snafu they had at the beginning of zen4 they likely want to avoid that whole scene this time.

[@jamegumb7298]

@@kaseyboles30 A fat 19000 points to a little over 23.5K. That is more like just 20%.

[@kaseyboles30]

@@jamegumb7298 Check again. 24308/19504 is 1.2463 more than close enough to call 25%.

[@maximus2el]

This looks to be processors for people concerned about wattage and heat.

[@charlesg5085]

As long as they are reliable and last for a decade, the power reduction is exactly what I wanted to see. I am tired of my room heating up noticeably 10 minutes after turning on my pc to work.

[@christophermullins7163]

​@@charlesg5085where are the gamers that enjoy having a 700watt heater blowing at your balls in the summer?.. I'll wait.. 😂😂

[@procompilations5574]

Until you over clock them 🤡

[@Haydatsanime]

The CPU stock settings are pretty much eco mode, turn that off, turn pbo on and you will outperform a 9800x3d in most compute tasks and in any games that aren't heavily cache sensitive. These stock 1080p tests are really weak, and I bet popular techtubers will start to notice that over the next few weeks. Level 1 techs pointed some of this out, it would've been cool if AMD showed off both, the power efficiency and it's potential at higher PPT TDC and EDC, it runs like a 7700x at half the wattage, did no one think "what happens when I run it at 120w? AMD said these can boost at 95c for days, so let's look at them while they're running, not while they pace with their predecessors.

[@CrystronHalq]

Why are we being so negative about the 9700X? It looked good to me so far. As for gaming, its actually almost on par with the 7800x3D wich is currently the best gaming CPU on the market and the 9700X aint even a 3D cache... In terms of productivity, its good. Why are we all acting the 9700x should be the 9950??? How come this community can get so abnoxious sometimes. It does the job good enough.

[@miha1999grobar]

in what world is it even close to 7800x3d in gaming? It's far slower, competing with the previous gen 7700x that is on a heavy discount at the moment. One good thing about it is efficiency and that's it, everything else is a dissapointment

[@CrystronHalq]

@@miha1999grobar Uhmm. In 4k, they are practically the same. 9700x and 7800x3D. Lol. There is hardly any difference besides 9700x being slightly more efficient.

[@miha1999grobar]

@@CrystronHalq lol that's not how you compare CPUs. In 4k you are GPU limited

[@CrystronHalq]

@@miha1999grobar flight simulator shows similar results at 4k.

[@dannylive3000]

@@miha1999grobar it’s crazy how people still don’t understand that

[@Dazzxp]

Remember the days when Intel was releasing CPU's every year with 1-2% performance increase...

[@alexspeed8888]

I think they should have been called the 9600 and 9700 non X, since they have lower TDPs. It's like non K SKUs from intel. A comparison against the 7600 and 7700 non X or in ECO mode and the 14600 and 13700 non K would be more fair. The current reviews just boost the efficiency while doing a disservice to their performance. PBO should probably be tested as well, but after the raptor lake thing and AMD delaying zen 5 for unknown issues, I don't if I would recommend it

[@mikeclardy5689]

yea.... looks like they gave up gains for efficiency... but realistically these arent much different from 7000 chips other then they run 10-20 watts less in actual scenarios, and it does run cooler. but there are very little performance improvements other than a slight single core boost. like you and HU said, its in the same relative performance of their predecessors with efficiency claims. Only consideration you should have is gonna be top end, particularly with x3d chips. Or if you're on a really old system and you wanna upgrade to ddr5, while both wanting to buy new and AMD. otherwise, go for whats cheapest and gives the ballpark performance you need.

[@AndyViant]

11th gen intel had PCIe 4.0 which was and still is kind of a big deal. Ask anyone trying to use say a 4060 on a PCIe gen 3 motherboard and a couple of NVMe drives. PCIe limitiations are a big deal while vendors try and push out x8 graphics cards and PCIe lanes are getting chewed up by NVMe. Performance gains were better too. To give you an example, the jump from 10600k to 11600k to 12600k to 13600k to 14600k on a 4080, 1080 Ultra on MWII is 167, 177, 187, 194, 201. It's the biggest percentage jump out of all the modern intel platforms across the i5 range.The xx400 series were similar too. Maybe for the i7 or i9 there might be a bigger jump, but it isn't as bad as everyone thinks. It was disappointing because AMD was making such jumps (so long as you waited for them to reverse their lack of support for Ryzen 5000. I wish I had. But frankly 11th gen was so much faster than Zen + and Zen 2 that it was actually mindblowing to me.

[@BrentCox2B]

Even though technology evolves quickly, pushing these CPUs out at this kind of release schedule is probably just not enough time to let the tech advance and then cook something up, but these companies feel they have to always release something for that sweet sweet revenue, so we get this slop. Thats why people who upgarde like every 3 years or so are smart. Even though you may get a bit of FOMO, at least you get a real upgrade when you throw down the cash

[@Immortalits]

Where the heck do you still want to improve high-end hardware? Even a 5% improvement is great at this point, we're not in the stone age of technology. We're already talking about 300-600 fps in 1080p gaming and 100-150+ fps in 4k with most high-end builds. We're entering into the territory of 8k gaming and 4k 200+ fps with ray tracing in the next 2 generations. ALL this, while AMD has reduced the energy requirements significantly, while still making performance improvements. Even if 9000 series won't be that great (and even that is probably only for gaming improvements), the next generation will be immense, where they use the efficiency improvements and increase energy intake again for performance uplifts.

[@adi6293]

Well you are getting slightly more performance of 7700X in the 9700X and 70 watts lower power draw , I mean at first I agreed then I watched few more reviews and my mind has changed to well that is pretty good actually , they are faster per watt quite a lot

[@TheTransformationBodySwap01]

I agree with your reviews. Even PC World is doing a livestream on the bench test reviews on the Ryzen 9000 series

[@Wizard-kk4lz]

7900X on a turd MSI A620M-E board with no issues with the VRM: hell yeah, I'll take it. Some of us lives in 3rd world countries, so we need to improvise. The price of these chips will also drop in a couple of months time when the 3D chips drop.

[@ekayn1606]

Can we get an update on the lower end AMD 7000 series cards that were leaked awhile back?

[@JinxLouzy]

Guess I can save the money for the next generation

[@nathanzhu5562]

your review is ridiculous, 20% better performance than predecessor with 70% of the energy consumption, and you still not satisfied? if you don’t care about your electric bill but just want raw power, then go get the 9950x or 9900x.

[@beetmode6875]

hardware unboxed only got 5% improvement and 10% less power draw, so seems to have a really high variance between chips. problem is zen 4 is pretty cheap right now with 7800x3d being more powerful and less power draw than any of the chips and really cheap 2nd hand

[@nathanzhu5562]

@@beetmode6875 what i see is 20% increase in gaming performance versus 7000 series

[@selohcin]

@@nathanzhu5562 In what chart??

[@tylertucker5868]

@@nathanzhu5562 What are you talking about? Watch hardware unboxed gamers nexus and jayztwocents they all agree that the new 9000 is a letdown. Obviously it’s not as good as a 7800x3d but there is multiple times where the 9700x is actually worse than the 7700x in testing. I don’t know where 20% more performance came from when in reality it’s either matched or less than a 7700x. The only positive is the TDP is a lot better but aside from that no real upgrade if you have those already en 9000.

[@papillon107]

i think you put a 0 by accident, they are 2% more performant 😂

[@Confector69]

9950X vs 14900k R23 benchmark.. 9950X is over 30% faster. There is no need to focus on performance if the competition is already dying. They focus on the right areas: decreasing power and heat. That are the main problems. Anyone who actually has an IQ score thats above room temp (in C°) can figure that out, if they have made experience or use google for 5 min. I as a 7900X user cannot even use the full power of my cpu. Im undervolting it by -20mv per core and still i cant cool down more than 190W. Taking away a whopping 50W of the TDP for the 12 core variant while still having some decent performance gain is impressive.

[@saricubra2867]

We all know that Intel pushed the 14900K too far and it's a dead battle. i9-13980HX at 140 watts matches a 13700K in perfomace and has the same die as a 13900K.

[@ska4dragons]

Intel always has revolutionary redesign coming "REEEAL soon. We promise!" Look at the signs. Intel has maxed out power and memory speeds. AMD is maxing out efficiency, memory, and clock speeds. We are reaching the end of big leaps unless something massive changes. Every lever they have to pull is hitting the max. Every gen now is going to be: fix the issues with last gen to get a few %, redesign for efficiency for another %, experiment to squeeze a couple more % and make something to fix next time....

[@SlvrWlf88]

I'm still rocking my 3600

[@Haydatsanime]

The CPU stock settings are pretty much eco mode, turn that off, turn pbo on and you will outperform a 9800x3d in most compute tasks and in any games that aren't heavily cache sensitive. These stock 1080p tests are really weak, and I bet popular techtubers will start to notice that over the next few weeks. Level 1 techs pointed some of this out, it would've been cool if AMD showed off both, the power efficiency and it's potential at higher PPT TDC and EDC, it runs like a 7700x at half the wattage, did no one think "what happens when I run it at 120w? AMD said these can boost at 95c for days, so let's look at them while they're running, not while they pace with their predecessors.

[@creativityfails1]

It's a marketing gimmick again from AMD. Just like when they kicked up the last Radeon GPUs a tier like the 7900xt should have been the 7800xt, and so on, the ryzen 9700x is just a 9700 that they're selling with the x and trying to focus on "efficiency" and "cheaper than last gen" even though the MSRP savings all bleed away compared to the ryzen 7700 which is suspiciously absent in reviews

[@Novacasa88]

The gaming segment of silicon is in a recession right now and AMD isn't prioritizing gaming this year.

[@iLegionaire3755]

L take, 7800X3D is the alpha and omega gaming CPU, nothing matches it, thats why AMD like NVIDIA doesn't need to prioritize gaming until competition is effective. Intel cannot compete in gaming anymore, even if they use 3D-Vache it will be garbage compared to AMD. It appears the only thing that gets more views than pro AMD content, is anti AMD userbenchmark Intel prostitution. Intel won't improve if we give them a free pass for fucking over the customer. Zen 5 is stable and power efficient, that's all it needs to be to dominate Arrow Lake, because Arrow Lake is a 700 MHZ regression in speed. Sometimes, evolutionary improvements are better than a revolution, because refined stability can augment transformative designs when the architecture has the reliability, flexibility, and scalability to meet and exceed consumer demand.

[@abhishekmaurya4665]

They are intentionally nerfing these chip after seeing Intel. If they set the stock tdp limit to 105 watt then we will see real gains of zen5

[@ZaricheYruga]

is giving 5% 10% more performance but with much less consumption I wait for X3D anyway

[@Hatsunari_Kamado]

AMD didn't have any experience to maintain non 3D V-cache CPUs. Either being choked by AMD 3D V-cache CPUs, or upcoming Arrow Lake CPUs.

[@Couchtripper]

The most important test for any processor is how much it can do with X amount of power. Anything else is irrelevant. It's about turning electricity into data. AMD is leagues ahead of intel now.

[@AndyViant]

If that's the case why aren't you using a 15w laptop cpu based miniPC?

[@Couchtripper]

@@AndyViant Because I do video upscales all day long. Any more stupidly sarcastic remarks?

[@glw607]

You mean, Zen 5 isn't INSANE?

[@SP95]

No reason to improve if intel can't keep up with the previous generation

[@vMaxHeadroom]

Hmmm so if you use PBO and your CPU starts crudding out will you be covered? The fact that some of these CPU's blue screened and even just shut down the PC does not bode well and is probably the reason they are power limited...but as per usual the blinkered will just sweep this uinder the carpet becouse, they are not Intel which is good enough..

[@chriskaradimos9394]

red gaming tec lead us all on , claiming massive games.

[@budthecyborg4575]

Conspiracy theory: 9700X performs so poorly because these are actually the WORST binned Zen5 chips, and AMD is stockpiling all of the good chips for X3D.

[@emmanuelchatzimanolis2788]

Seems like what intel did with the 14th gen amd did with the 9th

[@kamikaze00007]

Why don't you guys talk about the memory controller though? IMO the bigger problem with AMD's latest Ryzen has been the bad memory chip performance. People spend money on boards that have 4 DIMM slots and yet they can only actually use 2 slots without barely having to deal with RAM issues. Using all 4 slots? I hope you're prepared for a nightmare to get it working. I would not mind having a small performance uplift with Ryzen 9000 if it's true that it is more power efficient. But I would definitely want it to have a fixed memory controller, and be more stable and capable of running the full capacity and speed of those 4 DIMM slot boards.

[@jordan-mn6yy]

just get 4 dimms of single rank memory and you wont have problems reaching EXPO speed. But if you wanted to OC more than that even Intel cant populate 4 dimms with max speed anyway so that's not an argument to make against AMD

[@zackw4941]

Well, this is certainly disappointing news. Up until launch, the hype train for Zen 5 seemed to be full speed ahead. They better bring out dual CCD X3D on the higher end skus, or something..

[@raven80wolfx2]

Honestly everyone is waiting for x3d chips if they want the best gaming. I am waiting for ryzen 10,000. I am hoping that generation fixes amdip problem.

[@larrywhitt1649]

I thought they said the 870 and x3d cpus are coming in September.

[@thematrix248]

Looks like they found the ceiling .

[@nosajmartinez6175]

Love it! Best use of the word shameful

[@procompilations5574]

Straight up click bait. It's amazing that it's basically matching last gens performance using half the power and producing half the heat (because they're underclocked from factory). Honestly just a money grab considering you don't even have these CPUs to test....

[@laszlozsurka8991]

Of course AMD fanboys are gonna defend this shit launch with their life because "muh efficiency" Arrow Lake is gonna make Zen 5 look like a joke.

[@Couchtripper]

Inefficiency is expensive laziness.

[@laszlozsurka8991]

@@Couchtripper So is spending 1 year and 10 months in the lab to cook up a nothing burger.

[@Couchtripper]

What processor do you use in your main computer? And why did you pick it?

[@laszlozsurka8991]

@@Couchtripper Why is this relevant? I have an i5-3570.

[@Couchtripper]

@@laszlozsurka8991 It's relevant because you're using a 12 year old processor that uses as much (or more) wattage as a modern AMD processor while giving about 45% less computing power. And you're here mocking people who want more power for less watts. lol

[@Pillokun]

Actually 11gen was better than zen5 in terms that the 11700k and 11900k actually matched the i9 10900k and even got faster the more they matured. now 11gen is ahead of 10900k in every game. Zen5 on other hand, well it has a pretty bad launch but will it age as good as 11gen ie the lower core skus being faster than the 7000 top tier, dont think so. pretty sure it has to do with the branch predictor, something amd was hyping it up to be the next thing but I doubt it works that good if the applications are not optimised for it.

[@razorgarf]

At least we should like the lower power use

[@EverSpaceTime]

Homeboy pronounces minuscule like he's never heard the word before.

[@selohcin]

He hasn't.

[@whitenoise7455]

The 80s wants their moustache back 😂

[@i_scopes_i3914]

Have you seen anyone push the memory controller? And a real good tuning vs stock and base pbo -__- not pbo tuning much? They have muuuch more under the hood just no one has pushed em yet. Of course the ryzen 9000 x3d is a duh will be better for gaming.

[@gucci904]

this launch appears to be VERY underwhelming......I think Ill wait a while !

[@defectiveclone8450]

AMD made a whole new CPU for a whopping 5% performance upgrade,

[@CyrusGameWorlds]

Zen5 itself is absolutely amazing. 20 percent more multicore performance and 16 percent higher IPC but Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 6 9600X on stock settings are absolutely garbage only because AMD wanted to decrease TDP from 105 watts to 65 watts to be an environment friendly company. expect Ryzen 9 9900X on stock settings to be garbage and only 5 percent faster than 7900X at best because its TDP is down from 170 watts to 120 watts. but expect 9950X to beat 7950X by over 10 percent in gaming and over 20 percent in productivity. basically if you are upgrading from a 7700X to a 9700X you are buying a CPU which is 20 percent faster at the same power draw but it uses less power to be as fast as 7700X and make the government happy that companies are becoming environment friendly. 43 percent of air pollution is only from cow s... and the rest is from cars and factories which use fossil fuels. if you think a CPU or a billion CPUs can produce comparable air pollution to fossil fuels and cows then you are not educated. even if you use 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 CPUs it wont produce as much of air pollution as 5 billion fossil fuel cars. AMD is giving you the hardware to be 20 percent faster but is limiting the hardware via software to be just as fast as previous gen.

[@rwells3325]

a bunch of misinformation and following other ppl channels. and has overall better RAM speed official support than Intel and these CPUs are overclocking beasts. Any person building their own computers is more of an enthusiast and would be more interested in OC results.

[@anthonyb59]

Zen5% but toooo pricy ! It is better considering Zen4 family (or maybe 9000x3D for gamer... if AMD don't f.. up again...) for performance and gaming and prices !!! or wait for Zen6... because actually Zen5 is 2000% to avoid !

[@richardyao9012]

Gaming performance is determined by GPU, not CPU.

[@josephgreenwell7807]

I think this is going to be a great Corporate CPU for them.

[@alrizo1115]

Fanboys defending a meh launch with their life. 😂

[@graysun1929]

I’m sorry this may be a little bit mean but you forgot the jump to 14th gen

[@GRIGGINS1]

Points at the Intel mess. Quit complaining. Just be glad they are decent chips that won't wreck your PC.

[@brianrobinson3961]

Zen5 worst performance upgrade since 11th gen Intel? You forgot about 14th gen Intel with its big 2% gain over 13th gen.

[@ideapadgamingtests3446]

Just wait for 9800x3d, ryzen 9 9950x

[@Vialli100.]

There is nothing wrong with them, talking about an over reaction..

[@maroosagaming]

people really have absolutely no idea and they just expect it to be better on stock, if you properly OC it, it will be about 25% faster than the 7700x, it seems that these brainless amateur youtubers have absolutely no clue how to properly do anything not only do we have mr amateur HW and HUB but now this dude

[@d4rtarius]

Sorry but the power efficiency at roughly the same performance is quite good. For those who have a 7700X perhaps it isn't worth the upgrade but for anyone else, I would go for it. Besides, Tech Level One demonstrated that with PBO you can get quite good results.

[@creativityfails1]

What reviewer and what bench of theirs is convincing you that the power efficiency has notably increased? We've had eco mode for zen 3 and 4 and it was praised for dropping TDPs down to zen 5 levels with negligible performance loss. If zen 5 is barely trading blows with stock zen 4 where does this leave us? With zen 5 eco mode down to 45w trading blows with 65w zen 4? Even deb8aur didn't bother trying to match power draw between chips or trying to make zen 4 look as good as possible, he just over clocked zen 5 because 105,120w is what the people want.

[@creativityfails1]

Also when will anyone at the efficiency table acknowledge the massive idle power draw of the chiplet design? I'm guessing it hasn't gone away.