How I Would Fix Chikorita in Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver

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Жыл бұрын

I Challenged myself to make Chikorita the BEST starter Pokémon in HeartGold & SoulSilver and take our little green friend through the Johto Region. Can I do it? See for yourself!
Thanks for watching!

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@taylorchesser8990
@taylorchesser8990 Жыл бұрын
"Base stats are reflective of a Pokemon's design" Yeah, tell that to Ledian. Boxing gloves for hands, a physically-weighted movepool and the Iron Fist ability, but it's worst stat is an attack of 35. Definitely a cool idea though, and I like that you actually put it into practice
@cuitkul
@cuitkul Жыл бұрын
Or Onix having 35 hp and 45 attack
@1stCallipostle
@1stCallipostle Жыл бұрын
​@@cuitkul at least that's an NFE pokemon. It wasn't always, sure. But gen 1 producing garbage (usability wise) is expected
@bongosmcdongos4190
@bongosmcdongos4190 Жыл бұрын
Aren't early game bugs supposed to suck? They evolve early, and are great early game bc of it. Then mid game you swap them out.
@jacoosacoon118
@jacoosacoon118 Жыл бұрын
​@@bongosmcdongos4190Ledian is awful early, mid, and late game though 😂
@IanColquitt
@IanColquitt Жыл бұрын
​@@bongosmcdongos4190Ledian is not the same as dustox, butterfree, beautifly, etc. Those pokemon actually have usable stats and good movepools
@therealegr
@therealegr Жыл бұрын
I like how the changes seem realistic, and not just slapping a typing and a broken hidden ability
@pikminman13
@pikminman13 Жыл бұрын
i mean, when changes add a typing and better ability, its usually to raise the bar across the board. this isnt meant to revamp everyone, just the exceptionally bad.
@anothergamer112
@anothergamer112 Жыл бұрын
*cough everyone makes Luxray electric/dark because of its colors and nothing else *cough Sorry, allergy season where I am.
@pikminman13
@pikminman13 Жыл бұрын
@@anothergamer112 x-rays are invisible, which effectively means luxray can see things in the dark. also, crunch is a prominent move it ends up using in singleplayer, it gives it a way to set itself apart from the other mediocre physical electric types, and it lets it resist things you do not typically see electric types resisting. so no, it isnt just for its color palette.
@therealegr
@therealegr Жыл бұрын
@@anothergamer112 *cough* it also dosen't make sense because the dark type in japanese is the evil type, and luxray isn't evil
@av2279
@av2279 Жыл бұрын
@@therealegr Thank you! "Dark" typing refers to the personality, and has never referred to a lack of literal light. Otherwise, every pokemon like Zubat and Noctowl would be dark-type before Luxray lol.
@grundgutigertv6170
@grundgutigertv6170 Жыл бұрын
I got a leech seed Chikorita in an egglocke in Gen 7. Boy, this girl was a TANK. Survived everything you throw at it. She survived until the very end and I was PROUD of her. Well done, my dear.
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’ll be a challenge to NOT just slap leech seed on every grass type I ever try to fix. It’s like my favourite move lol
@Jeff_Biden
@Jeff_Biden Жыл бұрын
This comment goes crazy ngl
@theamazingspooderman2697
@theamazingspooderman2697 Жыл бұрын
@@ZenModeYT the anime made me a huge fan of Leech Seed
@gregolas5873
@gregolas5873 Жыл бұрын
@@ZenModeYT it’s easily my favorite move as well. Everyone likes to crap on grass types because of their 10 billion weaknesses and mediocre stats, but they get moves like sleep powder and leech seed left and right, which make in-game runs a total breeze. I’ve always loved the sneaky status moves of grass types; it gives them more longevity than any other type if used right!
@Elfking94
@Elfking94 Жыл бұрын
Fought one in emerald battle tower once, it was no joke
@yorecf9641
@yorecf9641 Жыл бұрын
If we aren’t limiting this to starters, Pidgeot or Fearow seem like good candidates for this concept. Pidgeot in particular has always been outclassed by Fearow in a playthrough. In turn, Fearow is often outclassed by other flying types like Dodrio.
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Definitely not limiting this to starters. I have a few other vids on the way that aren’t. I think pidgeot is an interesting one - I feel like it used to be everyone’s no-brainer choice for a flyer but now everyone loves to bash it and some of that is undeserved I think! Will probably add to the list!
@yorecf9641
@yorecf9641 Жыл бұрын
@@ZenModeYT good to hear! I’m pretty sure everyone - including myself - picked it because of the anime when we were younger. When we got older, we realized that’s it’s usually outclassed by other flying types. It’s not as bad as something like Farfetch’d or early Gen Crobat, but it could certainly use some love with a new ability and/or improved move pool.
@spencergreen9415
@spencergreen9415 Жыл бұрын
If Kanto were to be remade again or if I were just to alter Let’s Go I think just giving Pidgeot access to it’s Mega Evolution much earlier would be a huge help.
@bananaforscale1283
@bananaforscale1283 Жыл бұрын
It wouldn't be outclassed if it was special so maybe give it Nasty Plot and early MudSlap?
@yorecf9641
@yorecf9641 Жыл бұрын
@@bananaforscale1283 would also need to adjust when it learns Air Slash and give it a good normal STAB move like Hyper Voice at a reasonable level. Honestly, if we go special attacker, I'd swap the attacking stats and then buff its now 80 special attack to 100. Even after it's speed buff in Gen 6, it's BST would still come in at just under 500, so I think it's reasonable even without Nasty Plot.
@dragonturtleab.3036
@dragonturtleab.3036 Жыл бұрын
actually this made chikorita a decent option after all those moves you gave it.
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Thanks! In the future, I want to do more than just add new moves, but chikorita was a bit restricting as I wanted to keep Overgrow and the mono grass typing to remain faithful to it being a Johto starter. In the future I may play with types and abilities as well.
@artimist0315
@artimist0315 Жыл бұрын
Sadly it's still nowhere near its competition of water attack spamming tododile. Sure this moveset helps greatly in actually finishing the game with it if you want to, but it would most likely still deter most players that don't have the patience to play this way, and even this playstyle doesn't work for every fight. That's why I think we can't help meganium without a stat change. Bayleaf maybe looks like it could make use of those lead blades but meganium has no features to justify an 82 base attack. For me a 98-60-90-88-112-82 would help it a lot, both as a slow set up and as a more regular attacker. If we only do move changes, I think adding extrasensory and barrier would both make sense and provide it with great coverage/set up options. Extrasensory is not too crazy as you can already get it early as it's one of Togepi's egg move, plus it makes sens with Meganium's theme of scents and delicate sensitive flower. Also aromatherapy should probably be available at an early level, that's the whole theme of this Pokémon. I could also get sunny day so it could utilise a sun set with growth, solar beam and synthesis. Also please, give this thing energy ball, it's not like it has too many moves already, energy ball feels like it belongs to it. Make bayleaf 80-72-63-50-80-60 and give it leaf blade so it's more physical.
@MLPIceberg
@MLPIceberg Жыл бұрын
@@artimist0315 I had my Belladonna (Chikorita) in Gen 7 with Energy Ball. Boy, she massacred nearly everything in her path. Almost like it was meant to be~ my girl did good in Gen 7.
@PassengerOnTheMenu
@PassengerOnTheMenu Жыл бұрын
Bayleef is such a perfect design aesthetically. Totally agree with your movepool changes especially Leech Seed, Ancient Power and Calm Mind. Excellent choices both balance and design-wise. Jhoto remake needed a Crystal re-remake to fix so many things. Level curve, lack of available Gen 2 'mons for all around, a VS seeker to supplement the awful phone system for battles, fixing the meh story with something other than just padding it with Eusine. Love HGSS to the point I'm still playing it on OG hardware completing a Gen 4 living dex I started with Covid.
@MLPIceberg
@MLPIceberg Жыл бұрын
It's not that HG/SS needed a Crystal remake, it's more of the Devs just remade the games as (more or less) a 1;1 remake and didn't see the issue of the Level Curve that many, myself included, despise.
@IanColquitt
@IanColquitt Жыл бұрын
​@@MLPIceberggood job disagreeing with him while repeating what he literally said? Weird
@grunkleg.3110
@grunkleg.3110 Жыл бұрын
I feel like you could totally justify the Chikorita line learning a few more Psychic-type moves as well, namely Psychic through TM or Extrasensory via Meganium Move Reminder. If Pokemon like Lapras, Politoed, and Corsola can get Psychic, why not Meganium? Aromatherapy and nice scents are known to have strong effects on the mind, peace and tranquility tend to give non-Psychic-types a bit of psychic power, Meganium and family are the mindful sort. You could even slot in Psybeam early game to help out with all the Poison-types in HGSS
@brian_Austin27
@brian_Austin27 Жыл бұрын
It should be a Grass/fairy type and learn moonblast and psychic and some more of a special moveset
@RogerDuckman
@RogerDuckman Жыл бұрын
This. Psybeam at level 18 or so and Psychic at lv 38. Give or take not exact.
@MLPIceberg
@MLPIceberg Жыл бұрын
@@RogerDuckman Maybe not Psybeam. Maybe Psywave or Confusion. Don't get me wrong, Chikorita (and her evos) are my favorite Pokémon, but just giving her some of the best attacks form a completely different typing is unfair. But I do like the Idea of Bayleaf or (more than likely) Meganium learning Psychic via TM or Move Tutor.
@tijnvannelmen5832
@tijnvannelmen5832 Жыл бұрын
Dont forget about Zen Headbutt!
@RogerDuckman
@RogerDuckman Жыл бұрын
@@MLPIceberg my bad i flipped the 2 I meant wave
@usexguyb
@usexguyb Жыл бұрын
Doing a run to test the changes was a brilliant idea❤
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Haha thank you! Honestly it was a last minute change but glad I did it. Will be doing it from here on!
@andrewschaosson
@andrewschaosson Жыл бұрын
As someone who picked Chikorita in Soul Silver, i thank you for your efforts.
@nathanbradley5819
@nathanbradley5819 Жыл бұрын
Chikorita is my favorite Pokémon! The fact that it doesn’t learn Leech Seed on level up is probably the single greatest slight out of many, so thanks for that!
@MLPIceberg
@MLPIceberg Жыл бұрын
She's my favorite too! Nice to see someone out there not only likes her too, but the CC here gives her the movepool love that she needed.
@jebronlames987
@jebronlames987 10 ай бұрын
You meant to write “sleight” there, brother. “Slight” and “sleight” are different words.
@justsomejojo
@justsomejojo Жыл бұрын
Leech Seed fixing the Chikorita line's problems sounds about right. My favorite team member period (Grass type or otherwise) in the Johto games (mostly Gen2, but Gen4 also works) is Jumpluff, which trades Reflect for Leech Seed and way more speed. It's always an invaluable asset against any pokemon that can't twoshot it. Seeing that, it makes total sense that a bulkier pokemon without the Flying type induced 2x time weaknesses and neutralities would do incredibly well with Leech Seed. Also, side note - the Headbutt TM/tutor always ends up being really good on Jumpluff for me considering the extra flinch turns provide extra leech healing. Should work great for a leech seed Chikorita as well. This is a pretty great video. I like how there's a run to back up the changes too.
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support! Yeah like I said, I think leech seed can save any grass type and I’ll try my best not to just slap it on every grass type in this series haha. Yeah jumpluff I think is pretty underrated. HGSS gives you a lot of resources that help out mons like him and chikorita like the wide lens at the game corner to land your powder moves and the swords dance TM which jumpluff can learn and actually makes an OK sweeper since it’s so fast, and can set up while healing with leech seed.
@gigastrike2
@gigastrike2 Жыл бұрын
Jumpluff is such a fun pokemon. It has so much utility.
@haidynwendlandt2479
@haidynwendlandt2479 8 ай бұрын
As someone who uses Chikorita in every Johto playthrough, I love that you gave them Leech Seed on level up! The fact that they didn't always surprises me to find out. I love how you gave Meganium Calm Mind as well, it seems to fit so well on the moveset and theming of the Pokemon. If Feraligatr can learn Swords Dance, then Meganium should get Calm Mind!
@mewion6774
@mewion6774 Жыл бұрын
Chikorita has always been my favorite starter, despite it being the weakest. This video is a nice change of pace for it! I'm glad you kept the mono-type for the johto starters, as I think dual-typings for them should be saved for regional forms. The only extra change I'd make is its hidden ability, but that isn't really applicable in HGSS. Great video!
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I like chikorita too, and most grass starters for that matter. Nothing wrong with adding a little challenge to your playthrough for series veterans. But yeah it’s too easy imo to just slap a dragon typing on everything and min/max their stats. But most Pokémon won’t have as many constraints as chikorita did since they’re not Johto starters.
@JaharNarishma
@JaharNarishma Жыл бұрын
Chikorita being extremely weak in the early game is what made my friends not use it. Them not using it made me use it for every rerun I did. Great variety was the result. Ariados as the lead on my first try, Graveler on my second. The duo Haunter/Graveler on my third. Then I tried basically everything. All thanks to Sprout Tower having only Poison and Flying types, first Gym being Flying type, Team Rocket using Zubat and Koffing, Bugsy having Scyther, all the rival's Pokémon resisting Grass moves and Chikorita having bad match ups vs everything.
@Castersvarog
@Castersvarog Жыл бұрын
Just the addition of Ancient power and Earth power already were great ideas, the other additions like Giga drain, leech seed and Sleep powder are just icing on top. Honestly really great ideas, and props to doing a play through just to show how the additions help.
@Lytbringr0
@Lytbringr0 Жыл бұрын
Love the move set tweaks and how you gave them REASONS to be there. Overall Chikorita isn't bad, but it's competition is some of the best in their class AND Johto eats grass types. Love how you pointed that out. I wish these were official changes in a re-release. I'd use her!
@dittmar104
@dittmar104 Жыл бұрын
Johoto only eat grass because the routes grass have type advantage on are dominated by kanto pokemon with poison typing or flying coverages.
@MLPIceberg
@MLPIceberg Жыл бұрын
I always pick my Bella (Chikorita) in Gen 2. Always. She's my go-to traveling companion, no matter what. Also my favorite Pokémon~ This video is literally what GameFreak should be looking at, not just for her, but for some Pokémon that really don't perform well. A good example of this is Mightyena in Gen 3. When hitting the late game, it just becomes so stale. That and Dark Type is still special based, which screws over all Dark Types since they're physical attackers. Mostly. I'd love to see what kind of changes can be made to it (by extension Poochyena).
@ryuuakiyama3958
@ryuuakiyama3958 Жыл бұрын
I really did like this. I would've gone a little further, giving Meganium access to more Psychic moves (Barrier, Amnesia, Magic Coat, and maybe even Extrasensory, Psychic, Psybeam, or Confusion); the line also gets Counter as an Egg move, so I might've included Mirror Coat, too (though this all together might be a bit on the extravagant side for number of changes). Sleep Powder was also a nice choice. I loved both Ancientpower and Earth Power, and Dragon Pulse is a nice nod to the connection between Dragons and Dinosaurs (the Japanese word for "Dragon is "Kyōryū", literally "Terrifying Dragon"; Meganium's beta name was, if I'm remembering correctly, "Hanaryū", meaning "Flower Dragon").
@gigastrike2
@gigastrike2 Жыл бұрын
Nowadays if Meganium was featured in a game, they would probably give it a bunch of fairy moves while keeping screens.
@ryuuakiyama3958
@ryuuakiyama3958 Жыл бұрын
@@gigastrike2 Probably.
@affsteak3530
@affsteak3530 Жыл бұрын
Mirror Coat is thematically appropriate since the Chikorita line naturally learns both screens.
@ryuuakiyama3958
@ryuuakiyama3958 Жыл бұрын
@@affsteak3530 I suppose it is. I suppose that would mean it ought to get Magic Coat, or even Magic Bounce or Magic Guard as a hidden ability.
@PumpkinFox
@PumpkinFox Жыл бұрын
I always like how Colosseum made the Chikorita line a lot more useful. Not only does Ores screw over grass types a lot less, but a bulky grass type that's more of a team player is actually super handy in double battles.
@1stCallipostle
@1stCallipostle Жыл бұрын
Colosseum makes a lot of things shine. For the most part, the game is balanced around most of the available Pokemon being pretty "eh" until late game.
@Yfighter2
@Yfighter2 Жыл бұрын
Nature Power is such a cool move, and fitting for Chikorita line
@MrTheMasterX
@MrTheMasterX Жыл бұрын
That Nature Power clutch at the very end was amazing. Hope you do more videos like this, it was really fun to watch it all play out.
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
I know!! I don’t think I’ve ever used nature power before, just thought it’d be fun. Appreciate the support!!
@glitchwarrior7270
@glitchwarrior7270 Жыл бұрын
I had a feeling Sleep/Leech would make it viable - that combo benefits basically every Grass type. Nice debut video, hope to see more of this as time goes on.
@michaelskogeng2216
@michaelskogeng2216 Жыл бұрын
Nice video. And love the idea of making the Chikorita line more powerful without changing too much of the core game (i.e. giving meganium a second type). It was also really cool to see you play a playthrough with the changes and would definitely want to see that for any future videos you decide to do.
@typhlosion7872
@typhlosion7872 Жыл бұрын
Maybe this could become a series? For a suggestion for episode 2 if you do decide to make it a series, a pokemon in its home region that performs rather poorly in comparison to the others is Rowlet in gen 7.
@jorgegonzalezavila9376
@jorgegonzalezavila9376 Жыл бұрын
I can attest to that. Incineroar is a beast, even without Intimidate, and Primarina hits like a truck, with both of them having the defenses to make up for their lack of speed. Decidueye, on the other hand, wastes its stat points on Special Attack, which it has no real use for, and is thus left wide open to anything that can abuse its “slowness”.
@becausesakamoto5938
@becausesakamoto5938 Жыл бұрын
​@@jorgegonzalezavila9376 I think Snivy would fit better - while Decidueye still gets good coverage and some immunities from its ghost typing, Serperior doesn't get a secondary type and basically only has Grass, Dragon, and Normal moves in gen 5. It also only has base 75 in attack and special attack, making it extremely weaker than just about every other fully evolved grass type in Unova, while Decidueye can make effective use of either of its attacking stats with Swords Dance and Nasty Plot.
@jorgegonzalezavila9376
@jorgegonzalezavila9376 Жыл бұрын
@@becausesakamoto5938 holy fuck, I never realized how absurdly bad Serperior is without Contrary; I've never had too much trouble with it.
@becausesakamoto5938
@becausesakamoto5938 Жыл бұрын
@@jorgegonzalezavila9376 Just now getting to the point where he mentions that Snivy is also in the running for worst starter ever, but he fails to mention that in B/W there are 5 gyms that it matches badly against: the Striaton Gym(which all starters match badly against), the Bug Gym, the Flying Gym, the Ice Gym, and the Dragon Gym. While Ice is replaced with Water in B2/W2, I don't think beating the Poison gym there with Snivy is as easy as he says with the available resources. Roxie uses primarily defensive poison types that set up poison, which makes Servine hit like a damp towel with the moves you have available. Trying to setup with Growth + Return puts you at high risk for the poison/venoshock combo. Going by level caps, it barely misses out on Leech Seed before the gym, so it can't take advantage of that either.
@jorgegonzalezavila9376
@jorgegonzalezavila9376 Жыл бұрын
@@becausesakamoto5938 and now I'm remembering I usually rely almost exclusively on Lucario to pull me through Virbank Gym.
@The_Red_Drifter
@The_Red_Drifter Жыл бұрын
This is a pretty solid learnset for Gen 4 Chikorita to actually deal with Johto, although it would unfortunately still be a bit lacking in the Gen 2 games because some of these moves just don't exist. It would be funny if you could do something to make Parasect a true menace in pretty much any gen while having it still be a slow Bug/Grass Type. I love them but they have it rough.
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Paras is absolutely on my hit list. He won’t be next, but sometime soon. Wasn’t sure if people cared about doing 2 grass types in a row.
@igorstark9514
@igorstark9514 Жыл бұрын
At first glance, fixing Parasect looks very challenging.
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Don’t worry, I got the fix 😎
@yungmuney5903
@yungmuney5903 Жыл бұрын
Simply just evolve Parasect, like it has a bst similar to many NFE mons.
@shiruotakuno28
@shiruotakuno28 Жыл бұрын
​@@ZenModeYTParasect has always been one of the most consistently bad Pokemon in the whole series. Even in season 1 of the anime, Ash asked Pikachu to go easy on a Paras and he STILL took it out in one hit.
@kougatbean
@kougatbean Жыл бұрын
Love the moveset ideas, they synergized so well together. You should send this to drayano, he’s remastering his HGSS romhack and I betcha he’d love the input
@TigeriPlaysGames
@TigeriPlaysGames Жыл бұрын
I really love this approach to improving pokemon! many romhacks will dramatically change stats and typing to fix pokemon, and that approach can be fun, but I much prefer something that keeps the original spirit of the pokemon and is just executed better. I've actually been working on my own heartgold hack and I might steal some of these ideas for chikorita!
@jacktitus4454
@jacktitus4454 Жыл бұрын
“My name is Jack, and like a lot of you, pokemon has ruined my life” instant subscribe
@abrarkadabrar7829
@abrarkadabrar7829 Жыл бұрын
This was such a refreshing concept and the actual run of the game was very entertaining seeing your theory put into practice. Meganium already was decently good but your version of it definitely pulls its own weight and then some. The Blizzard Nature Power at the end was some clutch! Kudos. Earned a sub. 😁
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the kind words! Yeah well get to some mons that are a LOT worse than Chikorita lol. Just thought he’d be a good start cuz he’s a STARTer, and a no-brainer for a Pokémon in dire need of some buffs! Thanks for the sub!
@Smashfan258
@Smashfan258 Жыл бұрын
“Like a lot of you, Pokémon has ruined my life.” I almost choked on something I was eating, this is already a great start to the video lol
@pookiegaming75
@pookiegaming75 Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of my childhood playthrough of HG, where my meganium beat reds charizard. Always nice to see it get some love maybe in future vids you can give pokemon new egg moves just to give them more options without cramming too much in the level up set, like if you gave chikorita dragon dance or wood hammer or something from breeding.
@WannabeGingery
@WannabeGingery Жыл бұрын
For me chikorita really shines in pmd explorers, it was my first partner in that game and I think the partner's personality is very fitting for chikorita. If we ever got another gen 2 remake, it would be really cool if they revamped chikorita like this, I'd love to be able to actually use it in important fights lol
@atxbee
@atxbee Жыл бұрын
same!
@nidohime6233
@nidohime6233 Жыл бұрын
Funny how grass type tend to suck in main games but there are god tier in the Mystery Dungeon series. Treecko+Seed Bullet is a must have.
@skywing217
@skywing217 Жыл бұрын
@@nidohime6233 That's what i really loved about pmd, many typically overlooked pokemon become phenomenal like Skitty. One of my favorite pokemon Shiftry was actually an absolute monster to use in explorers of sky and i loved it.
@affsteak3530
@affsteak3530 Жыл бұрын
Chikorita is so good in Explorers of Sky. One of the few non-water types that can swim once it's IQ is high enough. ❤
@MLPIceberg
@MLPIceberg Жыл бұрын
If the rumored 'Let's Go Johto' games are a thing, then maybe. But knowing GameFreak and their "tradition", I seriously doubt they'll make that kind of positive change, especially to starters. Though... I do find it odd that nothing was done with Typhlosion in 'Pokémon Legends: Arceus'. Just gave it a half-baked form/color pallet swap and called it a day. Unless I'm missing something there. I... never got into that game. Not for the lack of trying, mind you.
@sophiamalcolm2119
@sophiamalcolm2119 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff! I've always loved the grass type in principle, with its focus on setting up and debilitating the opponent with moves like leech seed, powders, and growth, rather than focusing on all-out power or bulk like the fire and water types, and this stuck to this while still making the Chikorita line a viable pick!
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Thanks! And same, grass is my favourite type, so you’ll probably see quite a few more grass types in this series (along with other weak types like bug and ice).
@shiruotakuno28
@shiruotakuno28 Жыл бұрын
Those type stereotypes have greatly loosened over time, but that was especially the case for the generation 1 starters.
@mr.sandman7339
@mr.sandman7339 Жыл бұрын
This video did help me realize how violent a lot of physical grass moves sounded in gens 1-4: RAZOR leaf, Vine WHIP, Power WHIP, BULLET Seed, Seed BOMB, NEEDLE arm, Leaf BLADE, Wood HAMMER Still plenty of support options usually, but they won't let you forget that they can do damage, too
@zimswaffles7892
@zimswaffles7892 Жыл бұрын
Really love videos like these! The playthrough at the end really makes this video unique and supports your hypothesis. Can't wait for the next one.
@hdb5369
@hdb5369 Жыл бұрын
This concept is dope and you executed it so well! The Chikorita line has always been a favorite of mine, it’s nice to see her get some love finally. Would love to see how you could improve a couple mons like Ledian, Ariados, or Parasect!
@andyhuynh2625
@andyhuynh2625 Жыл бұрын
It was really cool seeing you do an actual playthrough with the suggested changes! Realistic changes, balanced, and on-theme with the design. Super cool series idea and love the execution of it
@kakqem
@kakqem Жыл бұрын
Loved the idea of making Chikorita more viable! It has been one of my favourite Pokémon ever since I got my first main series game: seeing its line get some much deserved appreciation puts a smile on my face. I also appreciate how you backed up the changes you proposed with a nicely commentated run, it made me enjoy the video much more than if you hadn't done so. I look forward to future uploads and I hope to see Chimecho and Maractus (two of my most beloved Pokémon) in future videos ❤
@sierranicholes6712
@sierranicholes6712 Жыл бұрын
i really enjoyed this and i love the way you approached the improvements to keep the spirit of the pokemon, basically just making it more viable without being overpowered. watching the playthrough was really fun to see how it all played out!
@dogcatmousecow533
@dogcatmousecow533 Жыл бұрын
This is a really fun concept! Excited to see more of these! My first run of hgss i used an ampharos almost exclusively. The learnset is absolutely insane for the mareep line in gen 4! So much random coverage!
@ghartman56
@ghartman56 Жыл бұрын
Crazy how much difference a few moves can make. Great video/series idea!
@TheCarbonMirror
@TheCarbonMirror Жыл бұрын
This video was great! I especially love that you tested your design! THat really sold me I really look forward to more of this series!
@nibbletman
@nibbletman Жыл бұрын
This is a great idea for a series, and I love the implementation, trying out all the proposed changes at the end. Great stuff
@GOATTier-un5gx
@GOATTier-un5gx Жыл бұрын
Awesome play through and explanation. Honestly didn’t think I was going to watch til the but this video was very satisfying to watch as you made that starter playable without break the themes or game awesome job
@RenoReborn
@RenoReborn Жыл бұрын
Great vid my dude, can't wait to see what else you do. Personally, I'd enjoy seeing some Gen 3 runs, lots of not so good movesets that could do with some tweaking there
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! Yeah there will definitely be a lot of Pokémon from gens 1-3 for that reason and also because power creep is so prominent in recent gens. Pretty much every new mon is viable.
@evawhite1144
@evawhite1144 Жыл бұрын
I really, really liked this video. Honestly, you did a damn good job fixing the Chikorita line, and making it viable in a play-through. The moveset you gave it is pretty good too. I also think adding some fairy type moves (after the typing was introduced to the franchise. Obviously, Ik it didn't exist in gen 4, but after it came to exist) would be good, cause idk, Meganium looks more like a gentle, forest fae creature than a dragon. Imagine this thing with dazzling gleam or moonblast. That would be better coverage against dragons than dragon pulse. Like, I don't mind meganium learning dragon moves, but the typing just doesn't fit it. In my opinion, Feraligatr is the most "dragon-looking" of the Johto trio. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that, Feraligatr, next to Charizard and Sceptile, form the trio of starters (one of each elemental type) that are like, "half dragons". They're all lizard lookin. Reptilian, which is a dragon characteristic. All 3 of them have similar body shapes, and all 3 of them can learn dragon moves. That's why I'm convinced that, had the Johto starters received megas, Fer woulda definitely been a dragon, to complete this trio with Sceptile and Charizard. Anyways, the video was really good, and I'd really like it if you did this with other underrated, weak mon, to try and fix them, and make them more usable. Think you could fix Seel and Dewgong? Or the Pidgey line? Or Hoppip? There's so many options 😅. Anyways, you got a new subscriber, looking forward for more content!
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Wow thank you!! Never really thought about that for feraligatr. But I guess it makes sense. He could have a few different dual types honestly - maybe even dark or ice, all of which would be pretty fun. And thanks for the suggestions. Dewgong is one I’ve considered but honestly I think the only thing holding it back is it’s base stats. The fact that it gets stab ice makes it pretty useful for dealing with dragon types, especially in HGSS where you can just slap the choice scarf on it if u need the speed. I’d definitely say he’s one of the most underrated mons out there!
@zachs2664
@zachs2664 Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad this channel was recommended! Great content, you clearly put a lot of thought and effort into it. I'd love to see changes like this in a fangame.
@kellycoons9808
@kellycoons9808 Жыл бұрын
Even modest changes to a Pokemon's moveset makes a big difference! Subscribed!
@timpaul721
@timpaul721 Жыл бұрын
Really glad to see someone giving love to my favorite starter pokemon. Good video
@rhonetalsma3089
@rhonetalsma3089 Жыл бұрын
I love this video concept, please do more of these!
@OkEmpress
@OkEmpress Жыл бұрын
I love to see this! Chikorita has always been a favorite since I was a kid. I'm always happy to see other people give them some appreciation
@rheamichaell
@rheamichaell Жыл бұрын
I love this type of content! Super original and so much care put into this.
@TheWarlordShogun
@TheWarlordShogun Жыл бұрын
Reflect was actually one of the best moves my Chikorita had during my playthrough of Silver Version. It doubles the defense of Chikorita and over half the gyms are physical. Team Rocket is also mostly physical. Plus, Chikorita gets it at lv12, which is about the level you would fight Falkner at if you did Sprout Tower. The combo of Tackle/Razor Leaf/Synthesis/Reflect is actually pretty good for most of the game. You also get Light Screen around the level where the rest of the game becomes special attackers, which helps a ton. Body Slam seems underrated in this video because it felt like a massive power boost in my playthrough. While Meganium is not a great Pokemon, it did better than I expected with all the hate it gets.
@OpinionPiece
@OpinionPiece Жыл бұрын
This series is such a unique idea and I really hope you continue with the concept or something similar! You could even expand it and look at how changing types or adding/removing cross generation evolutions would change a pokemon.
@Ospyro3em
@Ospyro3em 10 ай бұрын
I love Chikorita so much and always have. Funny enough, I've never struggled using it. However, I have just recently found your channel and I am absolutely loving this series!
@Paul13245
@Paul13245 Жыл бұрын
great video. i love how you took everything i could think of into consideration. also the playthrough was fun to watch. hope you are doing more of this
@marcpena266
@marcpena266 Жыл бұрын
This concept was great! Love to see mor!
@yaziyo
@yaziyo Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this and it's a great concept. I like that the result was clearly a starter that still isn't the "best" but can now hold its own. In my view it's okay to have some starters be naturally easier than others, the games were always designed in that way.
@EpicPrawn
@EpicPrawn Жыл бұрын
This is such a cool idea. I especially love the limitation of keeping base stats, imo that's a solid constraint which allows for creative focus on things like the moveset.
@thecaininstinct
@thecaininstinct Жыл бұрын
I love this!! I’m trying to learn how to do small rebalance romhacks to bring my own similar fantasies like this to life, and I really loved watching your approach to this.
@RavensaursRex
@RavensaursRex Жыл бұрын
I think you were a little rough on the little guy, but I really like your guidelines for tweaking mons and the limits you put in place.
@silvapop9666
@silvapop9666 Жыл бұрын
I think the late game additions to Meganium are sorely needed, and are great. I do think this reworking of Chikorita doesn't address the main problem with it in gen 2: it has nothing for the first 2 gyms. In your playthrough, you just outdamage Pidgeotto and Scyther with moves like Tackle and Razor Leaf because there are no better options. In a challenge run setting, you'd never use Chikorita in either of these fights because it does nothing, and casually, it's frustrating to have your main guy have no tools before he gets one shot. To remedy this, I think you should give Chikorita/Bayleef Ancient Power way sooner, preferably when it's still a Chikorita, to hint at its more dino like design while giving it a way to handle Falkner, but at least before Bugsy. This encourages players to think about the risk/reward of using Chikorita. Should I stay in and hit with a super effective move, knowing I may be hit with one back? Plus, at base 60 with 5 pp, I'd say Ancient Power is a really balanced move to have early on: gatekeeping it to a later level limits it's usefulness as you experienced, and you never use it. Regardless, I really liked your video. Felt like it wrapped both sides of Poketubing that I really love, competitive and challenge runs. Great first video, can't wait for more
@mastermuffles7097
@mastermuffles7097 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this video You are the ONE singe person I've met or watched who understands that the movesets and the stats of the pokemon are integral parts of its design and inspiration
@Kurooganeko
@Kurooganeko Жыл бұрын
This makes mt SO HAPPY! You have no idea!!! I sweet kind adorable gentle baby having justice served is just... THANK YOU ♥♥♥
@jgabe73
@jgabe73 Жыл бұрын
I love this concept! Subbed and can’t wait to see more.
@UltimateBlobrex
@UltimateBlobrex Жыл бұрын
This was very nice, I like how you changed up Chikorita and the rest of the line, I love Chikorita, so I enjoyed this a lot
@stormRed
@stormRed Жыл бұрын
This goes so in depth, I love it!
@aaronlarussa6180
@aaronlarussa6180 Жыл бұрын
This was an awesome concept for a video!! I would love to see some early generation bug types get some love, loved some of the lines but were outclassed
@lachlanlysne6232
@lachlanlysne6232 Жыл бұрын
I thought this video would be silly but this is some amazing content. Excited to see more from your channel!
@ReventonSpeed
@ReventonSpeed Жыл бұрын
Yo this idea is actually OP, Ima subscribe with the hopes you’ll make more of these
@_Fizzy_1
@_Fizzy_1 Жыл бұрын
This is such a fun idea! Both the planning phase, then the actual playthrough. Very cool, very creative.
@scary-sounds
@scary-sounds Жыл бұрын
This made me feel so much better. I love how you made this feel real and believable and possible for a future gen where chikorita came back as a star player.
@robinobregon6546
@robinobregon6546 Жыл бұрын
great video, couldn’t believe it was your first when i checked your channel. keep it up! i really hope you keep posting
@CammyMeeleTea
@CammyMeeleTea Жыл бұрын
Great changes. Excellent restraint and creative solutions.
@olivineember
@olivineember Жыл бұрын
This would be awesome. Can’t wait for this channel to blow up in popularity. You have such good ideas
@Kuroo39
@Kuroo39 Жыл бұрын
Nice video! Looking forward to seeing more stuff from your channel!!
@_k.hj_6873
@_k.hj_6873 Жыл бұрын
No way this is your first video Splendid job, hope to see more videos of you 😊
@quentinr.914
@quentinr.914 Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, in Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon and PMD Rescue Team DX, they gave Chikorita Ancient Power as an Egg Move when you choose them as a Starter or Partner!
@ilovepersona3
@ilovepersona3 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the coolest video concepts ever. I'm a huge fan, earned a sub.
@Tydrelin
@Tydrelin Жыл бұрын
Loved this video both in concept and execution. I'm subbed!
@nilmx3763
@nilmx3763 Жыл бұрын
Really solid and well throughout video. Good job gamer!
@Zak_Katchem
@Zak_Katchem Жыл бұрын
Hey! New creator! Was an enjoyable take. As a person who enjoys this poke line but was also dismayed by it’s treatment and moves, definitely a fun concept. I hope we get more opportunities to see this starter line to be revamped in some other game.
@Zak_Katchem
@Zak_Katchem Жыл бұрын
New subscribe from me! :)
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton! Yeah like I said I really do hope we get a Johto Legends game where this line gets revamped. Also Johto is my favourite region to get lost in!
@Jumbucker
@Jumbucker Жыл бұрын
Nicely done! It was so satisfying to see Chikorita line redeemed.
@glowingpineapple619
@glowingpineapple619 Жыл бұрын
this vid was great! you definitely deserve more subs. i love chikorita and it was awesome seeing it do great! i wish this is what it was like in the main games bc as it is it definitely gets too much hate for being bad when the gen it was made in was so defensive that it made sense for it to be bulky
@ZenModeYT
@ZenModeYT Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! Yeah that’s exactly what I was going for, just making some less powerful Pokémon more viable. Keep an eye out for more vids on the horizon!
@MaeDungan
@MaeDungan Жыл бұрын
this is a very solid first video, really appreciating the love that chikorita is getting here deffo subscribing, can't wait to see what other pokemon you update like this in the future i will also echo what other people have said and, if meganium were to get a secondary typing, it would very likely be fairy. it just feels like the right vibe for it
@kenbelcher9414
@kenbelcher9414 Жыл бұрын
I hope you make this a series! There are so many wonderful designed Pokémon with just terrible movepools in older gens that make them so hard to use
@levistokes3960
@levistokes3960 Жыл бұрын
Literally my favorite pokemon line. I love this guy. I always teach mine earthquake and calm mind. I have one in BDSP that has leaf guard so it knows sunny day and solar beam too.
@cupcakecowboy0
@cupcakecowboy0 Жыл бұрын
This is a great video. Please keep up the good work and stay focused on what youre passionate about
@Bujumbura
@Bujumbura Жыл бұрын
Hey that was very fun and I love that the changes were mild and realistic. Cool!
@TopHatGames1
@TopHatGames1 Жыл бұрын
I love this concept and execution
@EcclesZero
@EcclesZero Жыл бұрын
really good video, both in content and presentation. i'm looking forward to seeing more in the future!
@flowerblush4171
@flowerblush4171 Жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for another video you have so much talent
@killiantruegames3670
@killiantruegames3670 Жыл бұрын
Very neat idea for a series. You got yourself a subscriber.
@davidnyman6968
@davidnyman6968 Жыл бұрын
Big fan of this concept. Nice video!
@alexthoman96
@alexthoman96 Жыл бұрын
Incredible concept and follow through
@beachyboiiiii
@beachyboiiiii Жыл бұрын
These changes seem so balanced and fitting, I would actually choose Chikorita in HG/SS with these buffs as other grass types already underperform in comparison to it.
@gregolas5873
@gregolas5873 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video!!! Meganium is my favorite Pokémon of all time, and I wish it got access to leech seed and ancient power naturally, because those two moves make all the difference for it in Johto and beyond. Whenever I play through a game with Chikorita, (which is pretty often) I always try to breed at least one of those moves onto it for a little more fun. I think the changes you made to its moveset work really well; you really “get” Chikorita and I’m glad you had fun tweaking its viability! Can’t wait for the next video in this series :D
@charminbear4948
@charminbear4948 Жыл бұрын
Really well done video, ive subbed and am looking forward to future conten
@Dan-xt7vs
@Dan-xt7vs Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this concept and I look forward to seeing more of these in the future. As a suggestion, I think you should be able to change a Pokemon's ability if it fits the theme of that Pokemon.
@ColonelMustache
@ColonelMustache Жыл бұрын
This video makes me happy. Chikorita is probably my favorite starter, but they did it so dirty! You really put a lot of thought into the changes, and it shows. The playthrough was very satisfying and cathartic to watch. For once, I'll say it only half as a joke: NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN
@chavonjames8941
@chavonjames8941 Жыл бұрын
Having Meganium alr have access to so many spore moves at a low level+access to learning both screen moves makes it such a support. If they gave it just more hp+offense it woulda been an easier time actually using it. The reason why I like Serperior so much cuz although it doesn’t get much offensive status moves, it does get many set ups+high spd/decent hp. And coil sure does help a LOT esp when you use light screen
@anyaforger844
@anyaforger844 Жыл бұрын
Man.. Your voice so calming I can just listen to your videos to sleep frfr
@courtneys.7113
@courtneys.7113 Жыл бұрын
this video has made me subscribe. what a unique and totally interesting idea!! even the worst pokémon can be redeemed with a good move pool and it’s really cool to consider things like the pokémon’s design and the level process- you know when they learn what move. i would love love love if you could do a video on Corsola. i love corsola so much but it doesn’t really get to shine. i like the idea of a water/rock type that is bulky and has access to recovery, but i would be open to changing its base stats- not even to increase it but just to switch some stuff around. take some of its offensive or stats and put them into speed. i think a bulky, speedy utility pokémon is rather good, obviously lol and i’m sure there are some weird moves that could perfectly synergize for Corsola’s particular niche in that way
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