Zepla Continues her DAWNTRAIL 7.0 MSQ Adventure⛱️ - Day 2 [FFXIV]

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[@DukeofSpook.]

We definitely should all complain more about lack of voice acting. Every story would be greatly enhanced with more of it. I hope they listen and try to fit more in next time.

[@ventusvero4484]

There are constantly large threads posting for SE to "voice all of the MSQ", which everyone agrees ought to be the case.

[@fotofanscam]

Especially for new msq, I have a chat tab that ONLY shows dialogue. So when I miss something or adhd and don’t process what I read, I can see the last few things said or even the full screen during cutscenes and everything

[@Mr.Genesis]

i do the same thing i love doing that.

[@frbny88]

I do this too! It's so helpful and it also allows me to avoid spoilers from people in chat.

[@KylerStern366]

The comparison to hurricane Katrina was a good one. "I know your house is gone, but last time i was here yall did Mardi Gras, and that was fun, so we should do that to make people happy!" Lmao I personally thought of bosses giving us a pizza day when i did it haha

[@Mr_Vorland]

And here, fellow scientists, is the creature known as "Downiss Baddiss," known for obsessing over bunny boys, and barely contained ADHD.

[@vurkins]

Pray return to speak to Wuk Lamat

[@jacklyonheart]

Pray return to the Wuking Sands

[@crashzone6600]

​@jacklyonheart you just triggered some ptsd I didn't know I had.... why can't you just teleport me to that cursed place?!

[@Zidana123]

@@crashzone6600 Minfilia addressed this, though I'm not sure if that part has been cut out of current MSQ. She says that the Ul'dah Syndicate wants operational oversight over the Scions and is using installation of a local aetheryte as a bargaining chip. Minfilia refuses to grant them oversight on the grounds that it would reduce the Scions' autonomy. Therefore no aetheryte allowed and you have to run up that tunnel every time.

[@crashzone6600]

@Zidana123 no I don't mean with an aetheryte, I mean, why can't they just do the travel for us as part of the quest. They've done it with a few quests, I don't know why they just Don't do it with most of them.

[@Zidana123]

@@crashzone6600 Ah, you mean like, *when you accept the quest it fades to black and then you are there?*

[@denneildunbar6844]

Not to sound like a negative Nancy, but does anyone also feel like it's either night time or raining 80% of the time, or is it just me?

[@EbonEden]

Omg I thought it was just me. Especially with the night time thing.

[@Naoto-kun1085]

Must be bad luck with weater cycles because I almost always did msq during the day with clear skies!

[@EbonEden]

@@Naoto-kun1085 Lol I’m jealous! 😂

[@Quester91]

Thank God I'm not the only one ann9yed by this. The game looks incredibly beautiful during daytime and dull af during night time.. and it's always night. It irks me so much I literally plan to progress the story during daytime and queue for roulette when it's dark.

[@SILVERONIN]

I noticed that too lol thought I was tripping

[@carrotlyn]

THANK YOU, Zepla, for speaking your honest thoughts on the quality of the msq so far. Your critique was word-for-word to my description of how this story fell short. Hamfisted, over-reliant on tropes, bad pacing, and dull. We really deserved a lot better with this msq, and I’m sorry to say that some of it does get more interesting, but I think you are also going to take issue with a lot of the later msq as well.

[@Raika63]

It's like everyone is trying to keep Zepla away from Erenville to keep her focused.

[@TheBenzooh]

the writer who wrote shadowbringers didnt work on dawntrail at all and it really shows

[@Kentaloupe]

She oversaw the writing

[@TeemoTemosson]

@@Kentaloupe Sweet Baby INC oversaw the writing.

[@SILVERONIN]

@@TeemoTemosson based

[@JustinStrife]

@@Kentaloupe Do you have proof that she actually oversaw it?

[@xandfur7817]

While it does get better, I don't think the writing is ever 'good' in this expansion. There are good moments where something was done right, but it's so few and far between. There's a lot of plot holes, exposition dumbs, constant 'tell, don't show', there's inconsistencies, the exact same message is preached every 4 lines and characters forget things that happened not 5 minutes ago. There were a few moments where you have flashbacks to previous expansions, and I got whiplash from those realizing this is the same game. I will at least say the art, music, dungeons and trials are all amazing. Despite my disinterest in this msq, these things made the expansion still worth doing.

[@crashzone6600]

Wuk Lamat's plot armor is thicker than ours, and we can raise from party wipes. The story was so forced, and it kinda would make me think that a person that believes in manifesting destiny wrote it. Wuk Lamat's horoscope told her she needed to party today and she just got lucky that it coincided with the objective. I think in her case the saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" fits her the best. I have problems with Koana too, as he seems to just want to abandon traditions for the sake of progress, and that is bad, because you dont know why those traditions are there and how they could be important, for instance this part of the story. His solution could've easily led to relying on his solution, because he failed to discover the root cause that led to the problem in the first place. It is kinda like treating lead poisoning but failing to get the patient to stop using their pewter glass. But he is still the best candidate in this story.

[@aaronstewart3352]

I’m a writer, and a massive fan of the lore of this game, and the entire msq this time around is more contrived than a high school creative writing project. The plot, the character development, the conflicts, all of it. The music, setting, fight design, all the rest of it is top notch-I’m thoroughly enjoying endgame, and viper is extremely fun, but my god, that story was cringe.

[@Antedithulian]

The first book in the LotR trilogy is my favorite even though it seems boring at first, so I can do slow and low stakes just fine. This on the other hand is exactly as you said. I used to tell people ARR was the slow part, I won't be saying that anymore.

[@sadi5713]

I actually liked the first part more because of the world building and side characters. The main plot is a bit lackluster though.

[@TeemoTemosson]

@@Antedithulian The reason people say ARR is bad is because Heavensward and Shadowbringers and to a lesser extent Endwalker exist. ARR was good enough to get the playerbase to keep playing FFXIV at the time.

[@Antedithulian]

@@TeemoTemosson I agree 100%.

[@CraftyPanda92]

Watching this video was cathartic, thanks Zep.

[@wadeyyy]

The Mardi Gras analogy murdered me

[@yuina88]

Lol will be fun watching how Zepla plow through this mess of a MSQ and the agonizing Wuk

[@Kaiwa1234]

Having more fun watching her rage than playing. I feel so vindicated LOL.

[@reyk1665]

Don't let the white knights intimidate you, who feel the need to defend everything Enix releases at all costs and want to silence any critic. Just say it like you feel and don't bend over backwards just to appease a few simps. That's the problem with the FF community. They can't handle criticism of their beloved game and constantly see everything through rose-colored glasses, but undeserved praise definitely won't make the game better.

[@patrickc.52]

Call it like you see it. CS3 is looking for reactions. If you didn't like it and didn't say anything, they'll make more of what you didn't enjoy.

[@TheCloudofWar]

If Asmon ever returns to the game, DT will be his next drop off.

[@OuchXXI]

Wol is the side character, this is Wuk Lamat's story. Enjoy propping up the writer's fanfic tier oc.

[@JustinStrife]

And you better be a fan of Shonen anime. Because if you're not(like me), you're going to have a real bad time.

[@jacob3761]

I think the main reason people don’t like this expansion is that it’s basically just the MMO version of an escort quest for the (so far) whole expansion

[@Enderlinkpawnu]

Zepla's separation anxiety from Erenville.

[@DukeofSpook.]

Dont want to spoil future stuff, but i thought it was pretty clear that the point of these quests was to show that wuk lamat is not fit to rule in her current state. I never got the impression that this was supposed to be showing us why shes a good ruler at this point in the story.

[@moomgmh]

You're right, that is exactly the point of pretty much the whole plotline -- working with the naive, sheltered Wuk Lamat to mold her into a wizened leader. I think it's the fact that the player is forced to support Wuk Lamat when she's at her worst gives people a bad first impression, and they end up more annoyed that they aren't supporting someone they think is more competent instead of being interested in guiding Wuk Lamat because she's well-intentioned.

[@DukeofSpook.]

​@@moomgmh Yeah, that's 100% valid!! I personally didn't feel that way, but I definitely understand how some could with what we were given.

[@moomgmh]

@@DukeofSpook. I'm of the same mind. I thought it was kind of obvious that the entire point is to support Wuk Lamat in her journey to become a good leader. People ask "Well, what is my character's motivation for helping her, why am I here?" Because Wuk Lamat is clearly a good person with good intentions, and because it's a perfect excuse for us to go on a new adventure. To me, that's all the motivation we need for a low stakes story like this.

[@DukeofSpook.]

​@@moomgmh Agreed! :) I think most of it just comes down to if you enjoy Wuk Lamat as a character or not. I think she definitely gets a lot of unfair hate by people who just hate women (i.e. omg shes so quirky i hate her), but there are definitely people who dislike her as a character for valid reasons, and that's fine! I'm just happy I had a fun time :) which is exactly what i wanted after depression the expansion lol

[@duskzkirax]

While I agree, I also think the story is to show that none of the claimants are ready for the job. Koana is shown to care for the people's lives but not for their culture or ways of life. I thought it was pretty clear early on that the best choice of the four was Wuk Lamat with Koana as an advisor. None of them are ready for the throne, but if it was going to be one of the four Wuk Lamat seems to be the best choice.

[@FelipeCarvalho-my3uv]

This is all gonna be another 2 years of lyse discussion, isn't it?

[@moomgmh]

I'm happy I wasn't around for Stormblood discourse, because so far Dawntrail discourse makes me want to light my eyes on fire.

[@MrMittenshasatophat]

Lyse has roughly 60% less words/lines than Wuk Lamat. And get this if you played FFXIV before you would know at least she has history with the WOL so some of that 1/4 of the dialog she has as Wuk is somewhat justified. Stormblood doesn't even remotely compare to this.

[@Disconnected66]

@@MrMittenshasatophat The entire premise of the expansion from the start is supporting her bid for leadership, which is not what stormblood was about so yes, you're right it doesn't even remotely compare. The amount of ridiculous comparisons people are making instead of just saying you didn't like the writing is wild. You just didn't like the writing. There's no merit to the "omg one of the npcs talked too much" LMFAO like what?

[@RanDum8]

@@Disconnected66 There's alot of merit in discussing too much dialogue for 1 NPC. For example, the NPC in question has the most dialogue in the game, over double the lines of the next nearest NPC. As many people have pointed out already the character is written poorly. That's not because she's loud and a bit of a meme character, alot of people will like or dislike that based on personal preference. She's poorly written because she goes through no journey and is still handed powerup and "rewards" (don't want to spoil things) which come accross as unearned to the player as she never struggles she never really does anything of impact alot of talking about love and friendship and then boom I win; The writers poor pacing is what causes this. They are happy to have lengthy cutscenes where just characters stand there and info dumb lore onto the player, telling the player about things instead of showing them with gameplay. Then when it comes to any of the emotional and developmental story beats, they will glase over it comepletely. I'm not sure if it was due to the graphics update eating up budget, so they didn't have the animators to spare for cutscenes, but close to 95% of all cutscenes in the game are literally static dialogue scenes. Cutscenes in a game from a narrative perspective should be surgical strikes short and precise. They should contain either action in almost all of them or there emphasis a particular emtional/developmental. Cutscenes shouldn't be used to monologue lore at a player, especially when they are constantly repeating the same plot point or even doing flashbacks to previous cuscenes that the player went through a couple hours ago. To give an example, in FF8 you beat the boss at the top of the statalite dish, the player is then chased through the town by a giant spider bot, you as the player are running from this thing, getting in fights trying to escape, you feel connected, there are 2 cutscenes, one when the player moves from one screen to the next the bot has a 4s cuscene smashing a car as it run, then another roughly 10s cutscene at the end when you jump onto your ship to get away. this is excellent use of cutscenes to highten the story but leaving the bulk of the actions to the players. If this was done by theses writers, there would be no gameplay section, you would leave the satalite tower, and the a cutscene of you running through the town would play and then end with you getting on the boat, then while on the boat you would have 6 different 1m cutscenes where the character would speak about the escape 6 times to each character talking about the exact same plot points that have just been covered; Without the gameplay there's not really a game, you're watching a movie with extra steps, and it's a rather boring story where everyone stands still and monologues. Purely from a writing perspective, the MSQ is bad, bordering on terrible it's juvenile in it's attempt to tell a story. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant in this regard.

[@Naoto-kun1085]

@@MrMittenshasatophat Did you actually go through the entire script and calculate those numbers or did you just make them up?

[@DukeofSpook.]

100% agree about the hanu float fixing the problem feeling contrived. However, my counter argument is that this is how ffxiv has always been. The first example that comes to mind is that Chai Nuzz just so happens to be the ex president of the golem making company and has the perfect knowledge we need to get to Mt. Gulg. Another would be that emet and hythlo just so happen to be at the exact spot and time that elidibus shoots us back to from the CT. Dont get me wrong, i love both of those things. But i personally think its unfair to call this a dawntrail problem

[@moomgmh]

I agree. Contrived plot points like that are literally all over the place in FF14, even in the "good" expansions. I think Zep is more aware of these things this time around since she went into it knowing it had a mixed reception, the story is super slow at this point, and she already wasn't liking Wuk Lamat. Just for example, what was Elidibus somehow still being conscious within the tower with the ability to send us back to the specific time and place where we get to experience the unfolding of the events that kick off the entire story, only to be seen and made tangible by the one guy that we happen to already know & who has the means to do so, if not a series of ultra-convenient-to-the-narrative events? The only difference is nobody batted an eye then because we were in the middle of the climax of the story, and not building a parade float for rainbow bird people.

[@Kittzu]

Big problem is that it all happens to one person all at once. Meets a sponsor immediately when entering Pelu area where she needs money, with Hanu suggests something nonsensical that turns out to be the solution, meets a goldsmith right before entering an area where she needs a goldsmith, there's much more of these to come but I won't say since this video doesn't go any further. These challenges are supposed to help her grow, but when everything happens by luck then there's not really much room to grow.

[@DukeofSpook.]

@@Kittzu My thoughts are that Wuk Lamat's whole thing at the beginning is that she has a good heart but is naïve. I think for her story, it makes sense to have her meet a character that would like someone like her and for both of them to help each other grow to face their fears. Regarding the goldsmith, I didn't feel like it was forced because his story started on the boat. And then when we see him again, it follows what we learned about him earlier in the story. And it didn't really have to be a goldsmith, just any DoH or DoL character. I enjoyed them connecting these bits of the story, but if you didn't that is totally fair! I said in a different comment: Regarding the early challenges, i thought it was pretty clear that the point of these quests was to show that wuk lamat is not fit to rule in her current state. I never got the impression that this was supposed to be showing us why shes a good ruler at this point in the story. I won't go into detail about future stuff, but the challenges after these are much more about her growing and learning. Same with Koana

[@RanDum8]

You're right the games always relied on serendipity way too much. I think the difference this time is that the overall writing is to a lower standard and the gameplay is almost none existent for several hours, so it becomes far far more apparent. To continue your paralell to shadowbringers, we get our first dungeon about 1 hour into the MSQ in Shadowbringers, in DT it's between 4-9 hours of heavy dialogue before you get your first dungeon, depending on what you picked at the beginning. When you slow the game down that much and you don't put in any other gameplay, you're holding a mangnifying glass to your story and if it can't hold up to scrutiny then the whole thing crumbles.

[@bastiflicker2521]

"I'm not hyperanalysing." Suuuure. :D

[@MissKashira]

So a cat watched a bunch of birds starving to death, knew the solution to their problem and said nothing? Are we pretending like he wasn't planning on eating those birds?

[@ralphbeez1411]

Reading the comments and it sure is interesting how all the biggest dawntrail defenders are replying to so many comments and being disappointed that Zepla found this story with it's repeatedly badly executed story beats bad. The funniest part is how they keep repeating the lines of "you excused contrivances before" when we had far more investment in say, Shadowbringers or when said contrivances were called out just as bad before like with Urianger and Estinian randomly showing up to save the day in Stormblood. (which was another expac with a lot of issues people had, wonder if more people would defend stormblood if it came out now) (That's not including examples that ARE explained by the narrative)

[@DukeofSpook.]

I'm not sure if Zepla was just tilted by the Hanu quests (very understandable lmao), but I was really surprised by Zepla saying the Fonjeantaine quest felt contrived/forced. There have been way bigger on the nose forced/contrived moments in other expansions such as: 1. Chai Nuzz just so happens to be the ex president of the golem making company and has the perfect knowledge we need to get to Mt. Gulg. 2. Emet and Hythlo just so happen to be at the exact spot and time that elidibus shoots us back to from the CT 3. Time perfectly flows at the same time as the source right as we get to the first. 4. No one trying to heal Haurchefant, even if the WoL is a healer (before the retcon). 5. G'raha summoning the souls of our companions to the first, so they can be there for the story. 6. All of the races in Ultima Thule having problems that exactly mirror the struggles our scions faced in their stories. I could go on and on, and don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater of any of these things; I love the stories of these expansions. But the Fonjeantaine quest was less than or equally as contrived as these and was relatable for a lot of people. Lots of people feel inadequate and get caught up in comparing themselves to others. Yes it connected to Wuk Lamat having similar feelings, but I feel like it's a bit disingenuous to complain about this in a vacuum while ignoring that ffxiv has done this all the time since ARR.

[@Dranni21312]

I think the main issue was that the whole Fonjeantaine "arc" was that we met him, helped him out, and then 30 minutes later we were dragged to the ocean shore to reminisce profoundly about our time together and learn that he's ready to do what's best for Tuliyollal as if he's been here for years. And then Bruk Evu randomly shows up to guide us to role quests. In my opinion, this whole part was just awfully paced and not well thought out.

[@DukeofSpook.]

@@Dranni21312 I didn't find it strange personally, but that's fair. He didn't say what he said out of feeling like he's been there for years imo, more so as a "I finally have committed myself to a new start, and I will do everything I can to support it. I'm gonna do what I can to not let it go to shit like my time in Ul'dah did." Which, helping Wuk Lamat win was in direct alignment of what he wanted for his future. Not to mention he wanted to repay the favor of Wuk Lamat/us helping find the courage to have that new start in the first place. I didn't see it as reminiscing but more as "you did this for me when you didn't have to, and i appreciated it. please let me repay you for what you did for me." I also didn't do the role quest.. quest until after i finished msq. That's usually how I like to do it, so I didn't experience that being weird. I personally thought the set up for them was very silly and fun, so I'm excited to do them. But I do understand if that's not everyone's cup of tea and if it felt weird for people at that part of the story.

[@Matthew-mp2qf]

The thing is those contrivances are interesting

[@forbiddenprelude]

I haven't finished the whole MSQ, but I did reach the halfway point. The entire MSQ so far has felt like an attempt to discuss themes, rather than a coherent story. I think the writers wanted to examine culture and tradition vs. technology and innovation... However, the story does feel a bit shoehorned to to reach those themes. That being said, I've enjoyed the story so far, but I definitely turn my brain off when I play.

[@Raika63]

The thing that bothers me about the dungeon here is that there was no point in doing it - the boat catches up right as we finish it, so if we had just stayed with the boat... it might have even been repaired faster.

[@Mindontcompute]

I think this is the first time the FF14 community would not be triggered to use the skip button in story quests. I think people would be grateful for it this time around.

[@BaghNakh1]

I don't mind if people skip cutscenes, it's their money/time after all, but I find it funny when back in the day they shitted on Quin69 for skipping the entire MSQ and then saying the story was boring and bad, and now they're literally doing the exact same shit lol. Most of the negative views on Steam are pure comedy.

[@Disconnected66]

@@BaghNakh1 tbf quin quit the story and said it was bad, and then also skipped all content and then tried Shin extreme and said the gameplay sucked because it didn't make sense because he had never even seen akh morn before and had no idea what to do. So it's not really comparable to people rushing through the story and not liking it, while still obnoxious. Quin was actually like systematically just trolling everyone whether intentional or not, but he did all of the exact opposite things you would do if you were intellectually honest lol

[@Mindontcompute]

@@Disconnected66 I disagree with that. Im not a Quinn69 lover. Actually Im banned in that guy’s channel for literally nothing. Enjoyment of a game is absolutely subjective. I like ff14 content to an extent for example. I know I have to log on to further the story but beyond Shadowbringers, there has been nothing that keeps my attention. I believe most people feel that way. Quinn69 is an add riddled individual. Its very difficult to get someone like him attention for long periods of time unless he is taking some sort of action. FF14 is a story first game. They have failed to make a compelling story since the end of stormblood to beyond shadowbringers. Its very difficult to stomach a story first game with bad writing. Id do WoW first for that then. 🤣 Been playing WoW for 20 years anyway so FF14 should be a better game by now but its not. Thats the issue Quinn has and I do as well. Mind you I have played FF14 for 6 years.

[@chrisynl]

I will say this: dont read opinions before you actually play yourself. Personally I also thought the start was boring (for me clearly the weakest part), but it got much better after that slow fetching start. I managed to avoid all reviews, I had absolutelly no idea the story was getting so much hate and I was quite surprised because I personally had a lot of fun despite some obvious flaws. I had the feeling to go on a great adventure full of new lore and things I had to learn. I enjoyed been a guardian, very much like in FF10 (with a few recognisable references here and there) and not been the center of the attention for once. Wuk is naive (which is the all point I think) and I can see why some people dislike her but that didnt bother me that much. The zones are beautiful. Dungeons, trials, solo duties are fantastic and so is the music (maybe despite the first city, jazz is not really fitting the theme), writing could have been better (clearly the quality of Natsuko Ishikawa's writing is missing) but overall it was much better the second half. To me it is of Stromblood level of quality. Some people truly exagerate, and it feels as if people's hate feed on each others. Is it the best MSQ we've had, no, by far, but is it as bad as some make it? absolutely not.

[@BaghNakh1]

I feel the same. I'm still going through the MSQ (already on the second half) and I enjoyed the first half tbh. Sure it wasn't like wow the most amazing thing ever, but I feel like the first half is pretty much the "summer vacation" part of the MSQ, where we finally get to rest from being the main character for once and take a well deserved rest, well the "rest" being us just chilling as a support character for Wuk Lamat but I'm ok with that. It's something I find very weird because the plot is about us helping Wuk Lamat, so it makes sense that she's in the spotlight and it feels like people think it would've been a better idea to have the WoL "carry" Wuk Lamat through the entire competition while she's just cheering us from a corner which to me makes no sense at all from a narrative perspective. Now sure CBU3 could've made the things a bit more fun while keeping the exact same narrative of us being just a support character in Wuk Lamat's history and I agree, but in terms of narrative exclusively, I think the first half is fine. I've seen so many people saying that they didn't liked DT cuz they expected that DT would top off EW and that is such a weird take for me because the whole "Final Days" plot is pretty much over, from the very start that it was told to us that this is a new beggining, probably ARR should be a closer comparison to DT in terms of their place, both being the start of a new story.

[@joshnoe8673]

Same here. I felt like the chat with dad about how all 4 claimants kinda suck was the turning point, and by the first trial I was enjoying it. I've just started zone 5 and I'm really liking it. There's a point to be made about how it should have been fun from the start, but in retrospect the game was trying to hammer home how much you should want to punch Wuk Lamat lol

[@slashthedancingwalrus1510]

OR ... people just have different opinions. I've seen a lot of very well reasoned discussion for the objective faults of the story of this expansion. It's also a good thing that people voice those opinions, because if you honestly think that this is the level of quality that we should expect from FFXIV going forward than that would be crazy to me.

[@ToaChronix]

@@slashthedancingwalrus1510 how do the words you just said relate to the comment you're replying to?

[@The-die-youve-created]

"Solve world hunger. Tell no one!" : The Grinch (Jim Carey)

[@veselinrankov7322]

My issue with the msq is that i was promised a vacation, instead i was working as a butler to an insufferable incompetent character who just takes credit for every that happens around her. I didnt mind the slow pace, i just wouldve loved to tour tural with the scions, exploring old ruins with yshtola, chasing krile's mystery and stuff like that. The slow pace became and issue for me because wuk lamats awful character was shoved down my throat every second of the msq, still cant get the hairballs out...

[@IsaiahNewman-z9u]

Is it a bougie and uppity to ask why they are ANY non voiced cut scenes?

[@russpc9739]

It's wild that you dont get a single fight until 10 hours into the msq (if you read fast)

[@brobin2518]

@@russpc9739 how is it wild? Do you usually go off and start getting into fights on vacation?

[@russpc9739]

@@brobin2518 in a videogame, yeah

[@brobin2518]

@@russpc9739 😂

[@RanDum8]

@@brobin2518 It's not really a vacation, lore wish we are shaping the future of a continent. Unless you think being slapped into a poorly written political drama, vacation, then I suppose different strokes for different folks. 😆

[@Naoto-kun1085]

It was the same in Shadowbringers and Endwalker though? And in Heavensward you don't get the first combat (barring the really boring solo duties) until well into the 3rd zone

[@Lord_Sunday]

The writers for this expansion need to never touch the game again. I cannot believe there was no oversight or feedback from the old writers who move to different games.

[@akurei123]

i don't really watch others play the MSQ but this is incredibly entertaining

[@Gravewhisper]

One thing I disagree with Zepla on here is that I think it is extremely in character for the WoL to just let the enemy walk away. Remember we just LET Gaius power up the Ultima Weapon after beating him back in ARR! There are countless more examples throughout the story where the WoL just stands there and let's the enemy walk away. It's what we do, we only give chase if the enemy is leaving to immediately attack someone else. In other words, we usually only fight the bad guys if and when the bad guys are ready to fight us.

[@ffffdsd]

Wow. So instead of calling out a consistent problem with the writing, we call it a character flaw?

[@Gravewhisper]

@@ffffdsd So you agree it is consistent? Then what are you arguing with me for? That was my point. Zepla argued that it was out of character for the WoL to behave like this, that it was a unique DT problem. It is not. DT has a lot of unique problems with the writing, but that is not one of them.

[@CombativeMedic]

"We have been lax at maintaining the float." ...didn't they say Wuk Eva kept up its maintenance? I don't see him being a "lax" sort either. (There is so much to point out though, everything feels contradictory...)

[@xevira]

Like I said when I unlocked it, Picto felt like Black Mage with a.. with a.. with a new coat of paint.

[@SSj5Bob]

A lot of the stuff that's being said, especially by the chat, seems to be this weird view that "Wuk Lamat wouldn't be a good dawnservant" as if that's a writing oversight rather than the game explicity telling you this several times and that being the whole point of her character arc. It's baffling. It's like complaining that Alphinaud is kind of snooty and annoying in ARR, that's the point.

[@Lord_Sunday]

Except she never changes. Even at the end she’s still the worst person for the job. She gets zero character development except for “we nEeD To uNdeRsTaNd eAcHoThEr”

[@moomgmh]

@@Lord_Sunday You're too blinded by your dislike of the character to see the development that the game is literally beating you over the head with. There are like 6 scenes in the span of 2 hours at the beginning of Wuk Lamat brooding because of her insecurity/lack of confidence and feeling like she has to do it all alone. Without spoiling anything directly, by the end she is incredibly assertive and at a point in the story around the Lv. 95 mark she literally could not possibly make her new perspective on relying on other people more clear. It's totally fine not to like the character or the story or whatever. But to say she didn't change or develop is just objectively not true. Wuk Lamat has more character progression in this expansion than all but like 3 of the scions have ever had since ARR (And I would certainly hope so, with how much of the spotlight she's given)

[@splecti46]

oh man the gulool ja ja fight was tough for her lmao

[@richardwicker8456]

I had a bit of a tough time with that fight too, and like Zepla I was playing pictomancer; the combination of playing an unfamiliar job while dealing with unfamiliar mechanic tells (those double orange/blue blade icons in particular) made the fight a bit difficult.

[@splecti46]

@@richardwicker8456 line AOEs? knockback arrow? the double blades i understand since they were VERY misleading (you had to stand behind the telegraphed blade, like what?) but yeah you could be right and shes just staring at her hotbar and not even looking at any of the mechanics at all. I was just kind of expecting a little bit more from someone thats cleared TEA and has extensive savage knowledge I guess.

[@Disconnected66]

@@splecti46 the knockback arrow during the fire aoes may not be unique, but I can't think of a single example where that exact design was used, there's plenty of mechanics that have arrows but they all look different than that one in particular. Also the whole point of about this game is being able to dodge mechanics while doing your rotation unbothered. If you don't know your rotation, and you're playing a new class that has really long cast times to PREP to even do damage, then yeah it's not weird at all.. you have a very weird and shitty mentality about the concept of how other people should perform based on your personal opinion of what they're capable of. It's dismissive and also just plain shitty, and based in nothing but your own head. Like who cares? Having cleared TEA and having extensive savage knowledge isn't enough, they also need to play perfectly in every instance they're ever in otherwise you start to question all the other experience? lmao like brother, do you even realize how insane that sounds to apply to literally anything in life anywhere for any reason

[@splecti46]

@@Disconnected66 can i not voice my opinion? i just said i expected more thats all, i did not shit talk her nor did i insult her in any way. i am simply writing something online dictating what im currently thinking at the moment.

[@JustinStrife]

I did it as Viper and I had an absolute blast. He even made a comment about me being a Viper LOL

[@DukeofSpook.]

Regarding the WoL not fighting Bakool Ja Ja: We're not really here to fight dickheads/other claimants, we're here to help Wuk Lamat grow. And even beyond that, the WoL has been extremely passive throughout the entire story lol. We watch Gaius do his 20 minute monologue while he walks over to the ultima weapon, climbs up the ultima weapon, gets in the ultima weapon, then fights us. xD And even just in Endwalker, we stood still and watched the Satrap get eaten without lifting a finger and stood still while the Endsinger fucked all of our friends. We don't even pull out our weapon until they're all teleported away lol. So again, I'd say this is a ffxiv thing rather than a Dawntrail thing.

[@BaghNakh1]

People have terrible memory, don't remind them about all the times the WoL patiently stood still while the villain said their entire monologue while preparing itself to carry out the final step towards their plan.

[@slashthedancingwalrus1510]

The scale of the two examples you brought up are crazy different. One is from the first expansion, a time when we all had very low expectations for our character's agency in cutscenes. It is completely ridiculous for sure and the WOL should've done something, but again, at that time it was just par for the course. The endwalker example is also super dumb, but is a quick fleeting moment that you can forget easily. Its just a guy getting stomped while our character does nothing. Definitely dumb, but doesn't impact the story a ton. And the Endsinger example is weird because everyone was fighting her and protecting us, maybe it was a little out of place but it wasn't anything like the example you gave from ARR. I agree that all cases of this are dumb, but the MSQ had been getting better at this over time and took a massive step back in DT. Major story moments happen where our character could and should do something but instead we just stand there. Not just one time, but multiple major story moments do this. And I think the playerbase reacting negatively is a good thing. I would like this to stop entirely, and the only way that happens is if people voice their concerns. Whats so wrong with that?

[@DukeofSpook.]

@@slashthedancingwalrus1510 Nothing wrong with voicing your concerns at all! I just want people to look at the bigger picture of ffxiv instead of jumping on the Dawntrail hate train. Yes, it's an issue. But it's never been a Dawntrail issue. As I said, please voice your concerns, so the devs have a better idea of what players want going forward. I hope 8.0 is less decisive for people 💙 I simply disagree that the points I brought up and the issues in Dawntrail are crazy different. The Satrap dying had way more impact than the WoL not fighting Bakool Ja Ja at the Hanu village. It was a plot device for Vrtra's growth, so the WoL had to stand still and watch it happen. Whereas, not fighting Bakool Ja Ja was ironically a plot device for his growth. If we whooped his ass right there, his character arc wouldn't have happened. Which again, I'm not really complaining because these things don't really bother me that much. But for those that are bothered by these things, I just ask that they look at every expansion with a real critical lens and not rose-tinted glasses. The truth is that most people played the old expansions a long time ago, so it's hard to fully remember the bad in our current brains without really looking at the source material.

[@DukeofSpook.]

Hanu plot makes no sense, 100% agree on that lmao.

[@sweepingtime]

I have my own criticisms of the story too but nothing that would make me hate the story in whole like some people out there. I'm also able to enjoy the story on its own rather than constantly comparing to anything before, because obviously if you compare something to your favourite you'll always be picking up on things that you don't like.

[@Naoto-kun1085]

I agree, tbh I didn't really think about or notice any of the contrivences while playing through the story, it didn't feel like "oh that was too easy" but it felt like it was a natural progression of the plot to me

[@SuperRamos619]

Overall i think the big picture story was decent. But the minute to minute script was awful. Its a good idea, but bad execution type of expansion.

[@Grunkaa1]

Pray return to the wuk lamat

[@jacob3761]

At 3:46:35 I don’t know if this came off the same in the English VA, but in the Japanese VA Krile is saying what Hydaelyn always says to us, (“hear, feel, think”) and it comes up many time in the expansion and i think it’s just a great callback to how we are now carrying on Hydaelyn’s ideas and mission after what happened in endwalker, makes me feel like the WoL is basically the mother crystal for others guiding them

[@sturmir15]

Rainbow chicken and trading wool for a saddle is gonna be the new standard for FFXIV storytelling. Metacritic can't keep up with deleting bad reviews.

[@Enzor2011]

I've skipped this expac and planned to just watch a stream. But man, this story is so slow, I'm not sure how far I'll make it lmao

[@HikingFeral]

then dont?

[@MarcusMaybenot]

It's so hard for me to believe that a lot of you talking about this have even played FFXIV before, either that or you're looking back at previous expansions with severe rose-tinted glasses. Also she's still early in the MSQ, I also dunno how people can have played a FFXIV expansion before and think that judging the whole story based on the early beginning is a good idea. Setup and payoff is what the writers for FFXIV have ALWAYS done and that setup takes time they don't rush through it.

[@giannisantonakakis]

@@MarcusMaybenot what payoff?? The second part is completely seperated and isolated from the first, and the ending was one of the most depressing things to experience for a player that have loved and nurtured this game. It's a slap in the face, and you as a consumer should never set your standards so low just because you are a fan.

[@lushdontu4015]

are you stupid?

[@brobin2518]

@@giannisantonakakis I felt like shit in the end lol

[@EnzoVinZ]

lol, not even Zepla's commentary can save the MSQ -- it's just so bad. Story, pacing, dialogue, characters -- all sound like it's written by a middle school teenager. I literally just canceled my sub...I just can't take anymore of this.

[@TheBolondron]

I think her commentary made it even worse tbh, like the game's writing is not good but she made it a lot worse by dwelling on it unnecessarily.

[@Matthew-mp2qf]

​@@TheBolondronya when she gave her honest opinion about what she was experiencing, it ruined the mood

[@zerratz2826]

My first few days of playing DT I just felt this... staggering sense of disbelief at how badly written the initial zones are. I didn't rush it. I took my time. Each zone I explored and did FATEs, did quests, unlocked flying. It was just after where Zep stopped in the vod that I started to feel the urge to button mash through dialogue. I'm now in zone 5 and I just want it to be over. I'm devastated.

[@ellie8078]

Depression is a real thing o.o

[@angrychef]

Taco blocked by Alphinaud?! Maybe he can take a header off of one of those distant waterfalls :D

[@BlackDahlya]

It's been sounding like WoW BfA, where we had no choice about supporting what Sylvannas did. I wanted so badly to play Dawntrail, but so far from what I've been seeing in your gameplay, I am glad I am unable to buy, subscribe and play. It's been really painful to watch as in, I really feel your pain.

[@ventusvero4484]

I love how HARD chat tried to defend and be apologists for this writing, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. Fun VOD

[@AgiBunny]

It feels really weird watching this and seeing Zepla being extra nitpicky about everything and complaining about every little thing, and i think it's because she went in knowing about all the negative reviews and the mixed reception. She would never say anything bad about how convenient it was that Chai Nuzz was the president of the golem company in ShB and knew everything we need to get to Mt. Gulg like another commentor said. It's too bad really, i feel like she would've enjoyed herself more if she hadn't known about the mixed reception. lol i rolled my eyes unintentionally during that one part where she said something about how the music doesn't fit the scene, like seriously?? it just feels like she HAD to complain about something there, it's weird.

[@TheBolondron]

You are completely correct, yes the writing is not the best but in this it's very clear she's coming in with the express intention to pick everything apart as much as possible.. maybe she thinks she's being "funny" or that she's smart or honest for pointing out every single possible issue real or imagined that she can come up with as hard as possible, but really she's just ruining it even more for herself and for anyone watching by doing that SO much. And I agree it's not the best writing but man the attitude and the self-sabotage really make it x100 as bad.

[@AgiBunny]

@@TheBolondron I don’t say this because I’m trying to be condescending or any thing but when she basically said “I’m gonna complain about everything there is to complain about” and then a few minutes later said “I felt myself become really toxic” I don’t know if she was memeing there or not but I genuinely felt really bad for her, why even play the MSQ at that point? How’s that fun? Just skip it entirely. I really feel like she thinks she HAS to do that for some reason and it’s ruining her fun.

[@mothsmen2220]

something that is confusing me about people saying the story is bad and that they feel it does not center around the wol is that to me the entire games story is centered around the people and cultures of different areas and learning about them. sure every expantion has some big plot but the moment to moment of every story has been learning about the people that inhabit the world. Examples: Endwalker you start with the people of thavneir then garlemald then elpis. Shadowbringers is entirely about the struggles the people in the first are facing and how the different groups dealt with the greif of their dying world. also every character has had flaws they have had to overcome to be better but for some reason people act like wuk lomat is unbearable. she obviously shows she loves her people and once she realizes her flaws she starts working to fix them so why does she get hate but the twins didnt when they were niave in garlemald. it feels like wuk lamat and the dawntrail story is being held to a standard that others were not so that they have something to complain about because the actual dungens etc. are hard to critique unlike previous expantions.

[@DukeofSpook.]

Yeah, the ffxiv story has never really been "about the WoL". It's always been about where we're going and the people we meet (Ishgard, Doma, Ala Mhigo, Thavnair, Garlemald, etc.). We do get some big plot moments for our character, but it's never really about us at the end of the day. Endwalker definitely had the most "about the WoL" moments, so I can understand the whiplash from that expansion to this one that people are having.

[@Jade-nn3bn]

The issue isn't that the story doesn't revolve around the WoL, it's that the WoL is relegated to being a side character and is not utilized in any way other than simple tasks until we do dungeons/trials. It's actually what makes questing with Lyse and Zero obnoxious to some people as well. The character that the DT story revolves around (Wuk Lamat) is also unbearable for the fact that she's extremely irresponsible, naive, and impractical, she makes decisions without much thought, is expected to be a leader and knows pretty much nothing about the people of Tural (even Erinville, who has been in sharlayan for a long time according to the story, knows more about Tural's people than Wuk Lamat does it seems), and we're forced to work with her; we can't even choose to help Koana, who is much more practical, intelligent, and level-headed. It doesn't help that her voice actor couldn't seem to portray any emotions other than sad, upbeat, and upbeat but a little angry. Also, Wuk Lamat does not improve on her character flaws beyond learning more about the Turali people. She stays irresponsible, naive, and impractical throughout the whole story and even steals our credit at the end.

[@FeydenAR]

I hope the break did you well, because I don't know if it was for the memes, but it was not nice seeing you suffer and complain for 5 hours...

[@von_max]

I am of the opinion that the best way to play the DT MSQ is to treat it like the vacation that Yoshi-P said it is. Just chill, maybe have a cold drink in hand, enjoy the new sights and sounds and just go along for the ride. For once, the fate of the world is not in your hands.

[@marydanielle7183]

I can't bring myself to spend my nights on the MSQ. It's very slow and i'd rather be doing something else with my limited time. I turned to skipping everything and will just watch Zepla play through it during the day to catch up on the story.

[@Kittzu]

That's what I was expecting and sort of wanting but that's exactly what it wasn't. The only vacation time we get only lasts like 2 hours in the game and we spend that 2 hours doing something STILL related to Wuk Lamat.

[@sacer666]

This MSQ is so dogshit, like I can't even.

[@TheAngryCleric]

The last like 30% is good but my god…I was so sick of talking to 3/3 villagers.

[@The-die-youve-created]

I predict, by (at) the end of the story, Zep is going to want to beat Miss Mittens to death.

[@Raoul9753]

Honestly, its funny how different her reactions were to mine. She doesnt seem to appreciate the different cultures and their traditions enugh to see the value in the way Wuk Lamat is taking, but exactly that interest in the different cultures makes here a good candidate, even though she is not as strong or smart as her brothers. In the first two Feats this is very clear. Her brothers didnt bother one second to learn about the people who they wanted to rule. They did things their way, and yes, they got results, but they didnt put a single thought into learning anything. Culture is important, and loosing it is something that can destroy peoples trust and bond to their home.

[@FuyuYuki92]

Popoto! I agree with your criticisms. But thanks to Erenville, I still had a splendid time. I really hope they'll keep him in the story!!! If you eventually make a feedback video about the story, just remember to be more gentle with the wording, Zep

[@CoffeeHobby]

i think Wuk Lamats childlike thinking and optimism lets her join dots that "adults" deem nonsensical

[@andrewjarvis7777]

wuk lamat is just so bad

[@sno_au]

I would not recommend anyone DT after going through it all. I enjoyed Wuk Lamat up to a point but the quest design is getting worse and worse as it goes on

[@timothypriest8842]

969 views 3 hours ago Thank You KZbin 😂🎉❤

[@cyradus]

Dawntrail MSQ is pretty bad. I hope they listen to the feedback from the fans because wow, it was bad.

[@TsukyShiro]

For you, it was

[@Oblivionknight]

It was overall pretty mid. There are good moments, but its dragged down by bad pacing and poor writing. Also if you don't love Wuk Lamat, you are going to suffer the entire time

[@gamedjinni9543]

I've heard it's awful--I haven't bought it yet. Should I just skip it? I've been on ff14 break for like a year and was going to return now...

[@memetastic01]

I wouldn't call it bad. The first half is kinda boring imo but the second half is super interesting. Im letting the boring part slide as it is a completely new story and they need time to set it up. I am excited for the next story patch due to how DT ended! Have faith!

[@sorarockss93]

@@memetastic01 Ain't really about the story, but how it is written. Along with the pacing. If they keep the same writer this isn't going to change.

[@Galbergoth]

I am in full agreement with you about the story. It is so bellow par as to be unrecognizable and inexcusable. Wuk Lamat is just Naruto from Wish. There's almost too much humor and it's that safe, inoffensive, childish humor. The whole story is like that. And it's a rehashing of past plot points and character motivations. This is the Force Awakens for FFXIV. The new writers looked at what had worked in the past and "It would be better in my style." No. No it's not. Fire yourself.

[@SILVERONIN]

I apologise to Lyse... Yuck Lamat is the worst FF14 character now officially!

[@RisqueBisquetz]

lol nope, Lyse is still way worse. The thing about Lyse was that she had the saving grace of being able to be written off the story, as she literally have zero input on it other than just screaming and punching. Wuk Lamat on the other hand is unlucky for being central to the plot. What i'm sad about is that the VA who did an amazing work on Wuk Lamat somehow gets about half the hate, and internet even blame this VA for the terrible writing and for being 'woke'.

[@nickt3176]

The whole point of following Wuk Lamat as the protagonist of this story is to experience her as the well-intentioned and eager yet naive, uncultured, and woefully unprepared underdog (undercat?) and watch her growth as she experiences the cultures and ways of the people of Tural and learns to accept her shortcomings rather than feel sorry for herself all the time. I keep listening to people gripe so hard about how derpy and naive Wuk Lamat is, and I’m like - yeah, that is the whole point. Does she ever become the perfect leader for Tural? No. Even after significant growth, she is still young and certain events thrust her into leadership before she is fully qualified. But that is often how it goes for young leaders. Listen, I’m not saying everyone needs to think this story is perfect or even excellent, but good grief the salt is genuinely toxic. We just came off an expansion where the WoL literally flew to the edge of existence and saved the entire universe from immediate annihilation. They had to significantly dial back the stakes in this expansion after coming off of that if they wanted FF14 to not become extremely overblown. I wish people would just take a breath and enjoy this story for what it is and offer more constructive feedback when necessary. This fatalistic view that Dawntrail has just completely lost the plot and has brought FF14 down is just not the case at all.

[@nickt3176]

The thing is though, it actually does make sense that Wuk Lamat led them to the answer about the festival. Wuk Lamat didn’t just brilliantly discover the answer about the boat being an arcane focus like dudes in the comments were saying. All she did was encourage them to hold the festival. She had no idea that the holding the festival would do what it did. Her naivety and somewhat thoughtless insistence on having the festival is fairly in line with her character at this point in the story, and it led the rest of the more intelligent and insightful members of the party to the solution. Alphinaud even says as much.

[@TheLi0nc0urt]

The Hanu plot requires suspension of disbelief, which is provided by the player. Everything happens the way it does because that's the way it was written. You don't play an action scene in a video game and wonder why everything is exploding in such a way that leaves you a clear path to run in.

[@brobin2518]

@@TheLi0nc0urt i think this story line just wasnt setup appropriately. It all could have made more sense if they didnt plot in retcons inside the actual story. Its like the writer was making the story and mid writing said “oh shit i have to give a reason for that” and instead of going back and making it right they just added some random ass line so we can say “oh ok”

[@lunyiea]

I would not say that the msq is bad. But it's not that centered arround our WoL. That's a generel problem for most players I guess. Also Wuk Lamat is not a bad character. But it's too much Wuk Lamat here and Wuk Lamat there. Most cutszenes don't show our WoL doing something. The idea to let us (the WoL) be some kind of mentor this time is good. But also as a mentor we could stay more in a main character focus in 'our' story. One example: I made a new Viper glam and was ready to fight against XXXXX! And then..., I could not do the fight with my character, what I was looking forward to. No, I had to fight as Wuk Lamat. :/ For me personally it was 'that' moment when it really felt too much for me. It's somehow sad because she is not a bad character. But the way it is presented makes many people hate her. One week after I did the first zones some things came to my mind. For example..., why did not WE try to catch an Alpaka? Why just Wuk Lamat off screen? It would have been so cool to catch one in the beginning and to use it as a mount during msq. So many times we just stand arround, doing nothing. We're not even shown much in cutscenes. I assume that this is the main problem.

[@humgoesonforever]

they basically say during the msq that they haven't done that aspect of the festival for a long time

[@Calder90]

Zepla rolling her eyes at the notion of forgotten origins of traditions about 30 seconds after making a reference to Mardi Gras, a celebration that has largely been divorced from its Catholic origins as a pre-Lenten feast day, is kinda funny.

[@sadi5713]

Man Zepla is really struggling with the story, good she can be a negative Nancy together with Erenville. Is it so hard to understand you are hired by person A and you agreed. Then you See Person B being better than Person a at their job interview and you want to support person B instead of the one who hired you to become better? Come on. All 4 canditates show obvious flaws. Wuk at least aknowledges she has flaws and tried to compensate for it with outside help. We are a mentor in this story people are really struggling with the MSQ this time around. Also we can't just kill Bakool Ja Ja, they are an official candidate for running for President, remember they almost kicked us out of the country in the harbor because they wanted to stop outside influence for interfeering with the election? and yes wel et him walk away like we did with so Gaius in the Praetorium or Zenos in the ice wastes, we were nevcer a murder hobo, dont know why you need to complain that you dont run around killing everybody who looks at you funny. ffs

[@SILVERONIN]

we didnt choose person A, we were FORCED to work with person A. Stop chatting shit!

[@sadi5713]

@@SILVERONIN we were asked in 6.55 and we said yes. Obviously you cant have branching pathes in an mmo, braniac.

[@LordPebble2309]

Yooo first! Love your content and the msq is great!

[@nickt3176]

This went way beyond pointed criticism and became completely toxic. Zepla went from expressing legitimate feedback to just belly laughing at people who were sharing legitimate counterpoints she disagreed with and scrunch-facing at literally every single line of dialogue going forward, no matter how innocuous. This was very much like watching an Asmongold stream, which isn’t something I ever thought I’d say about my all time favorite FF14 content creator. And before anyone comes at me - this has nothing to do with Zepla sharing her opinions and feedback. In fact, I fully agree with criticisms of the story’s pacing and several of the plot points. It was just so toxic and disrespectfully-presented after a while.

[@Zidana123]

Why should Zepla pretend to respect something she clearly scorns? You would prefer she faked expressing emotions she doesn't actually feel?

[@nickt3176]

@@Zidana123 as I said explicitly in my first comment, this has nothing to do with Zepla or anyone else liking or not liking this story, or sharing their criticisms. Again, I actually agree with many of the criticisms. It has everything to do with outright laughing at the people who were sharing their own legitimate counterpoints to the criticism in chat. It became really toxic after a while.

[@Zidana123]

@@nickt3176 From your comment: *"Zepla went from expressing legitimate feedback to just belly laughing at people who were sharing legitimate counterpoints she disagreed with and scrunch-facing at literally every single line of dialogue going forward, no matter how innocuous"* That's the issue you had, yes? Do you recognize that when Zepla behaves in these ways, she is showing the emotion of scorn?

[@nickt3176]

@@Zidana123 I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make… are you just trying to define the word scorn? You aren’t addressing what I’m talking about. Again, I don’t care that Zepla has negative opinions or emotions about the story. I’m with Zepla as a fan whether we agree or disagree. I’m saying that this particular stream veered away from being critical and became a bit toxic toward the developers and toward the people who were presenting counterpoints to her criticism in the stream.

[@Zidana123]

@@nickt3176 My point is, there's a set of behaviors that Zepla displays in this video that you disliked and would prefer she not display, correct? I'm asking if you understand the emotional state of scorn and can recognize the behavioral markers accompanying it.

[@ange7500]

Having the warrior of Light as a mentor is probably like having a doctor as a parent Like 'are you on the verge of death? Is a apocalyptic force about to engulf the planet? No? Ok then I'll be over here doing bong rips with erenville and krille'

[@SonicNotAmy]

I guess I'll have to get used to my favorite game being trashed on for another 2 1/2 years. I guess it's been good. The people with that awful copy/pasta will just be vindicated for time to come.

[@coffeegamermomof3665]

I wanted you to play these yesterday lol you played ginshin impact 😢 am glad u back at it enjoy

[@Raptor4955]

good video zorpla

[@michealsoto6722]

idc what anyone saids i rank Dawntrail ahead of Shadow bringer but not HW, most are claiming its like stormblood or even worst then endwalker. Dawntrail will be a perfect example on how difficult it is to be a MMO programmer. square enix listen to years of feedback to make a extended main story quest to make everything grindy and once they do. everyone complains about the MSQ being boring and not make any sense. i got DT better then SHB based on the zones looking better and the gathering mount that cost oarnge scripts.

[@brobin2518]

I get she is suppose to over react for content but it was actually cringe watching her make unnecessary faces. Its kinda sad and pathetic. I didnt care for the story but her acting this way is childish

[@TheBolondron]

Agreed, like yeah the writing isn't good but she took it WAY over the top. There's a balance that can be struck between hating something but still being entertaining and funny about it, she went so far over that line that the line became a dot to her. It became unpleasant to watch.

[@DukeofSpook.]

Yeah, i haven't been bothered by the people stating their criticisms for the story, but this was pretty rough. Really bummed out that I won't be able to enjoy watching her playthrough like I was hoping. :( I've never seen her analyze any other part of the story like she did in the lvl 90-91 quests. Kinda got the impression that she was going in looking for that due to the criticisms from others. Really curious how she would've felt if she played day 1, but none of us can ever really know. I wish streamers would play day 1 for this reason, so we could get their thoughts/feelings without them listening to what others have already said. Regardless if they love it or hate it, I just want more authentic thoughts from just them

[@brobin2518]

@@DukeofSpook.yeah i am watching preach and even pyromancer. They have criticisms as well but handle it in a way more mature manner. Imagine pyromancer is more mature. Smh its sad to see this individual change so drastically just because now she knows she can be a multi game andy so now she shows her true self.

[@Zero2k0]

I find it weird how people are pretending like others are suddenly speak out rebels of the FF14 community for saying they don't like MSQ, the trend has been many hating Dawntrail MSQ.