Zerg Abuses the Supply Cap (that everyone’s forgotten about) | Diamond in the Ruff #75 - StarCraft 2

[@PiGstarcraft]

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[@Hephera]

15:00 for anyone looking for the moment where agile cheats the supply cap and does up to 219/200. then he does it again at 17:13 and 19:44

[@lickenchicken143]

how? build cancel on some spore crawlers or something with drones?

[@wojciechrogala6435]

@@lickenchicken143 You can see just before the supply abuse he builds mass spores at one base. Then max out and cancel spores.

[@CtrlAltRetreat]

@@wojciechrogala6435 Don't you lose all the cancellation penalty if you do that? How much does it cost?

[@wojciechrogala6435]

@@CtrlAltRetreat You regain 75% cost of cancelled building. Spore cracker cost is 75 minerals. Building and canceling 20 spore crawlers costs You 375 minerals, which can be harvested by those drones in 3,75 rounds (25-30 in game seconds).

[@freppie_]

@@wojciechrogala6435 with 90 drones 375 minerals is gathered in mere seconds

[@bofaybaykweh]

Agile having creep spread over the entire map at 8 minutes 👀

[@eskurian8565]

In a beam battle, I've found it's never a question of whose beam is stronger, but who can grunt the most.

[@billr8227]

"Shot his nutz off because it was tucked into his pants!" So funny! Just perfect banter pig, keep up the great work! Always love your work, and your Florencio games!

[@Orimthekeyacolite]

I'm also not a fan of colored beam fights in Harry Potter, but the one in HotS works I think because they made it into a mission-forming mechanic. It's more of a comprehensive visual for the progress bar that would otherwise have to be represented in abstract numbers

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

-big trouble in little China

[@lickenchicken143]

@@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 =Heat, with those EMP's.

[@BaufenBeast]

Best beam struggles I can think of are Kirby Triple Deluxe or The Wonderful 101.

[@d07RiV]

It's basically the caged illidan mission from WC3

[@d4niel457]

Mew vs Mewtwo

[@rockandrolljew89]

Super inefficient play with some cool details that make him really strong... for a minute there, it sounded like PiG was casting a Dark game

[@Broockle]

Not getting ur brain blended out of whack is very hard, especially in a game like this lol

[@parishala]

At 12:12, you would hold the gun like that if you were left eye dominant, and left hand dominant, but your left hand was unusable, so you were shooting right hand unsupported while aiming with your left eye.

[@jackmermigas9465]

That was really entertaining and great insight I wouldn't have known a quarter of what was going on but the commentary makes it awesome!

[@Markfr0mCanada]

7:45 I think this might be the first time in watching SC2 on KZbin that I've ever seen a squad of ghosts take about a bunch of slow zerglings. What a game!

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

When I was young I used to enjoy grabbing an opponent and headbutting them mercilessly until they fell and I could barely stand or when someone would put me in a headlock I would grab them by the head and slam both of our faces into the ground or into the wall expecting the pain and delirium, I always recovered more quickly and was able to pounce on my target I think I love agile now

[@mcspud]

You need to do 1 lesson of wrestling of BJJ sir

[@mikesavagetv]

I haven't considered that mechanic and looks pretty good so you don't fall down on army supply in the late game

[@sadbanana5896]

No... It's so that you keep high drone count. You either do that or you give up drones

[@irgoououm2661]

"That's RuuuuuFF...."

[@Edward-d5f]

aGiLe taking notes from Solar

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

I’ve been waiting for this particular form of mechanical abuse for some time now. Thank you for offering this sacrifice. Now let’s see what’s in em! (Spark - Flame - Smoke)

[@whitem00gle]

That was a decent game.. gg wp both players..

[@kazinak980]

this was so informative and fun to watch, sadly KZbin doesn't let you press the like button more than 1 time

[@squiggzzz]

Glad to see even GM's get rekt by an unscouted mass BC tech switch

[@tigera6]

He deserved it for not even scout the main base of the opponent even once in the entire game, all he needed was flying speed Overlord there every 30s or so.

[@eckee]

that's a sick creep spread regardless

[@arankoka]

... and terran has no-supply-mules anyway, while zergs factory need supply in form of injecting queens till u throw them away in lategame

[@CtrlAltRetreat]

Why would you throw away your queens when you have late game creep spread? Transfuse stays great all game too.

[@underfall2749]

Oh yeah, if you morph a drone it removes its supply cost so technically you could have 200 supply of Zerg forces without losing drones sure it’ll cost a bit more to morph then cancel but in the end to have a 20-50 supply advantage it’s worth it

[@chir0pter]

12:35 lol

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

Light beam battles are Tight

[@antihackerify]

Its funny How big is the Gap between these guys and the top players, even though both are GM.

[@michaelsattler7017]

super obvious. but can be fun to watch when mistakes are unpredictable

[@PlusOneGamer]

When it comes to beam battles like you were saying, I feel like the only show to use them effectively was Dragon Ball Z and even they used beam battles sparingly. The only two I can remember off the top of my head are the iconic Goku Kamehameha against Vegta's Galick Gun and then Cell and Teen Gohan with the Father Son Kamehameha. Those are the only good beam battles I can think of.

[@MrSAv1Or]

7:30 good creep :)

[@ruludos1977]

that nuke hurt my soul ;~;

[@platonelenin]

Ruff is the best.

[@hiramrichmond9111]

I NEVER FORGOT ABOUT THIS I ALWAYS ASK ZERG STREAMERS TO TRY THUS AND THEY NEVER LISTEN

[@real_MacrocosM]

I wish you'd post the replay file of these RuFF episodes. I often want to study his gas timings and stuff with these early ghost builds

[@PiGstarcraft]

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[@juny9445]

This was fun.GG

[@sirlisterofsmeg333]

Hell of a game.

[@GameFuMaster]

what a throw

[@chir0pter]

6:50 this is some advance nerding, i have never cared or particularly noticed fights using beams of light..

[@lynk_1240]

I have honestly wondered why I don't see pros doing that. After maxing and building some bank, just making mass spore/spine, remaxing on whatever composition you are on, and then cancelling the spore/spine so you can still have a huge eco. I get that it is a straight up resource loss, but I think the ability to have 80 drones AND 140 army supply is easily worth the loss from 20 canceled spore/spine.

[@jeffreywarf]

I think (not sure) that pro games are too fast and pros are generally too good at keeping vision to not see that happen and take advantage of that before the overmax can happen

[@PiGstarcraft]

Snute used to do this but not sure why we don't see it more often

[@app2530]

I dont know either, but if it was worth it, im sure more pros would do it

[@ArtietheArchon]

i wonder how much benefit it would be to have just built a raven and a few marines and just start sweeping creep

[@PiGstarcraft]

definitely would have been nice to push it back! I think Agile would have tried to jump on anything that moved out though so it woulda been tricky

[@airiakizuki5592]

if this was wings of liberty id think this was two bronze noobs playing

[@rochlum]

brain hurts to see no ravens.

[@erictripps125]

I think agile messed up the 3 hatch before overlord opening.

[@Broockle]

what's wrong with 3 hatch?

[@erictripps125]

@@Broockle nothing. I think agile was doing a 3 hatch before building overlords build but accidently made 1.

[@LiviuGelea]

How about you do a challenge where you tap into the REAL zerg supply cap by converting an SCV and building a command center

[@Kerostasis]

That worked in Brood War because each race technically used a different kind of supply (T-Supply, Z-Control, P-Psi). In SC2 they're all just "Supply" so they don't stack anymore, sadly.

[@app2530]

@@Kerostasis yup, even controlling three races as zerg, supply will cap at 200 in sc2 sadly :(

[@Pikkabuu]

Nah. That spore name doesn't have the same ring as Pylo the Pylon. But what would have a similar ring? Seppo the Spore? Sam the Spore?

[@AmericanCaesarian]

A long time ago (2018) I reached master while playing like aGiLe.

[@volsere]

The lack of scouting is insane

[@AHersheyHere]

This is what happens when you don't harass the creep spread.

[@googane7755]

Literally got blindsided by the massive tech switch. Good on ruff for also sniping the spire and lair so that he couldn't respond in time

[@OpiatesAndTits]

Too busy microing drones to get 200+ army supply I guess lol

[@kingpet]

lol that was ugly half the time, but it was stuff fun to watch.

[@PiGstarcraft]

not the cleanest situations but I enjoy seeing the unique circumstances

[@hiramrichmond9111]

I think he does the 14 hatch because you can skip the longs if you want

[@jvtc]

Fuckin' Ruff is still around? I remember Destiny hating this guy.

[@stefanalenius]

1:25 Warning! Do NOT try this at home!

[@aarongazzaniga1929]

Did I just see a planetary kill a creep tumor?

[@aarongazzaniga1929]

High level bronze league heroes are very fun

[@yagoa]

are ghosts in bunkers any good?

[@PiGstarcraft]

can't snipe from inside but they can shoot from in there - it's not terrible but just a bit awkward to micro in and out of them and they take up a lot of space

[@himaji1369]

Wait, I think I know this aGile, he is in my clan I think

[@marcinluter1195]

i need 2 adepts for this guy to win...

[@Scawtsauce]

I wish he repair bc.. it's cathartic

[@JayMaverick]

Light beam battles are almost as lazy as movie skybeam.

[@moomoodeadcow]

I can't.

[@SeriousApache]

"This is such a weird build" Did you forget the opponent is Ruff?

[@Aki-Wolf]

Sad thats agile is just a exploider/cheater , no honor for him

[@dizzypukas8410]

Beam struggle is only good in dragonball

[@checkmatenate]

what are these bronze? 1500 mmr?

[@PiGstarcraft]

About 5.2k, both GM

[@checkmatenate]

@@PiGstarcraft 😂😂😂

[@arttest0156]

does anyone know what terran skin is that?

[@tipsyone1]

might be tyrador, not absolutely sure tho