Zero Friction Cycling or is it Zero Fact Cycling??🤥😉 Have we found the 👑 of YT cycling shilling😲🤑

[@anthonylarson7919]

long time auto mechanic and cyclist.....the "high end" products sold for cyclists is a waste money. The power, torque and heat generated by a bicycle is minimal. Decent lubricant and greases are all that is required. I laugh at Zero Friction and Hambini going on about this.... Hambini the "bearing guru" and the way he installs some bearings has me cringing. Hammering and awkward pressing...ugh. And the "reaming" Hambini and Mapdec do whilst the frame is hanging from a stand....no zero reference, no mounting on a flat surface....they just enlarge the faulty orifice.... only cyclists are gullible enough to believe them and buy their products...

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

Great comment 👍 its pinned👌💪

[@stfu6397]

yup gurus is the perfect description for these two

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

The bottom line is, if all these fancy chain lubes were so good, then they'd be used in other industries. Ones where money & safety are far more critical than cycling. But they aren't, are they? Because they're sh!t 😂

[@gweflj]

@JoeyMills You’re right. The power generated by a human (not the bicycle) is minimal. Bingo, you need the lowest friction lubricant available. How waxes are vastly superior to any oil lube. You would know this if you had used them. No wet lube or cold wax fills the void between the pin and rollers. It’s also a piece of piss to hot wax a chain. Get a used slow cooker off marketplace and you’re done. Oh and here’s the real kicker, you never have to degrease/clean the chain again because the wax doesn’t pick up any crap.

[@rosomak8244]

@@JoeyMills-y3v The chemical industry is a heavy industry. You have to process stuff in quantities for it to make any kind of sense. No way those "dedicated" bike products are anything special. They may by adding some dye and perfume to absolutely generic stuff. Most of the budget of those companies goes to advertising. Clicks and bot comments on the internet cost a vast amount of money.

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

The price difference of top tier products over the midrange ones in many sports are mostly a tax on your personal insecurity. Most people buy things they don't need, at a price they can't afford to impress people they don't know and couldn't care less.

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

Excellent comment agree 💯

[@somethingsomethinggr]

He doesn't need to overprice the Silca wax because Silca already gave it a bullshit price.

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

💯 agree and Shilca over price their wax by 💯0%😉

[@gweflj]

@@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST Yep they probably do but it's the best chain lubricating method I've used in 30 years. Especially on the MTB. If was riding road in California I probably wouldn't bother but throw dirt and road grime into the mix and wet lubes are pure shit. You may aswell put sand mixed with olive oil on your chain.

[@tombola4046]

Zero Fiction

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

Andy seems to give Zero forks grifting his followers 🤮

[@michaelclark3860]

Really solid comment you make about perceived honesty and trustworthiness regarding “trusted” employment. I’ve actually never heard of ZFC before you mentioned him regarding the Hambini beef, so I’m not saying he does it BUT… instant red flag if a sales pitch includes mentioning positions which suggest trustworthiness. There’s so much psychology involved when doing that and we only need to look historically at ponzi schemes, banking loan disasters etc to evidence the point. Well done Benji

[@carldelazouch]

"made of much stronger wire versus a coat hanger and with a lovely logo as your handle" 🤣🤣🤣 Any tests are utter bollocks if he's not replacing the casette and chainrings each and every time. He'd have to sell a fair few "stronger than a coat hanger"'s to cover that.

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

Andy & shilca are a match made in heaven. Snake oil is really what they are selling to gullible, pretentious suckers. The Scambini Beef with ZFC is hilarious and looks like 2 guys trying to snuff the other out as their client is being stolen 😲😉🤣

[@rosomak8244]

@@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST Those shilca scammers are putting everywhere on youtube where bikes are discussed obvious bot comments prising their snake oil. It is so obvious from their mode of operations that they don't have anything to offer.

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

​@@rosomak8244it's definitely bots, clicks and subs all false to seller and even more false shilka products😂

[@rosomak8244]

And then he would nice results valid only for people putting a fresh new cassette on before ever y single ride...

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

Zero Friction™ is for those with an Addiction to Drinking the *_Aero Miction._* ¹ ¹ We use to say Kool Aid but miction seems more appropriate.

[@jameswade4097]

Doctors and Police are trusted people🤣😂. I would still be on 8 speed but the c@@t's at Shimano would only do acera or sora 8 speed. so to upgrade to XT or105 i had to buy 9 and 10 speed chains and shifters C@@T'S, and that was years ago. Wish my old knees and hips were zero friction😜

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

😉🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

Look out for local bike co-ops, they have bins full of quality old parts. I got a mint 1990s Deore LX 8 speed rear mech for £15 including fitting. They also get donations from businesses that go into liquidation, like mine has a bunch of KMC X chains & Schwalbe tyres all at half price. Honestly they can be gold mines.

[@dickieblench5001]

He has many clients in sw London lol😂

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

😉🤑💰🤣🤣

[@rosomak8244]

And now tell me: who will be able to see the difference between shilca snake oil and cheap soft synthetic wax when it is already on the chain? As a bonus please dive in to the world of counterfeit brand chains from ali.

[@gweflj]

I believe Shimano use grease, not wax.

[@somethingsomethinggr]

I commute to and from work via bicycle all year around in the best and worst weather conditions using Shimano chains. I use a trail bike that I also take out on the trails for my commute and have never had a chain rust on me ever. I do degrease, clean and re-grease every 1-2 weeks though depending on how bad the weather is.

[@HeyWattsUpCycling]

if you wanna really kick the beehive, do something on why bicyclerollingresistence drums and watt measurements on their stamped steel rollers do not equate to tarmac.

[@dmitryhetman1509]

So what is your suggestion?

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

May be not finished with Zero Fact Cycling as people reckon Andy the ex cop is asking fair prices???? I mean WTF but whatever, probably just all Hambini haters that are fans of zero facts shills 😉💰😲🤮

[@DiesUndDasOderDasDa]

One half shouting: "This is totally arbitrary, why don't you use industry-standard test protocols"? The other: "This industry-standard test is totally different from the road in front of my house! Useless!" You can't have it both ways, I guess. The rollers do not have to be absolutely equal to tarmac (which tarmac btw). As long as differences in the test translate to differences in the real world the relative ranking is still useful, at least in my opinion.

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

​​@@DiesUndDasOderDasDa​@DiesUndDasOderDasDa Is this your German logic or are you just as delusional as ZFC??? Tarmac and weather condition testing doesn't count😮. Really.... Are you really arguing this?? OK tell VW, hey don't bother testing the new golf in hot climate. Just test it in Germany, record the data of that and sell it to the customer... May be VW did do that and Toyota kicked their A$$ for building better cars😂😂😂😂 This is the most idiotic comment in this thread. Well done 😂 No offence but come on. Of course these companies test more than ZFC their kit. It's only Shilca that uses ZFC data as they have a scam relationship. There is no middle ground here..

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

It doesn't matter what testing methods he uses, as he has no method for measuring the results of his tests to the accuracy he claims. His video on the subject is hilarious: he shows a cheap digital caliper, then says it's not accurate enough, so uses a shimano chain stretch device instead. He then measures the accuracy of the shimano device by using the same cheap digital caliper he said wasn't accurate enough in the first place. He's a lunatic 😂

[@DavidStacey-tx7on]

Decided to give the melted wax thing a go and was quite surprised how good it is omce set up. Looked at ZFC site and just laughed at the marked up prices so asked a mate what he does. Got a cheap cooker from Kmart, some wax and also have metho and petrol in the garage, biggest pain is getting everything spotless clean before waxing but gotta day really is worth the effort. Fitting a waxed chain is a bitch and takes a few k's to loosen up but found it runs quite, better shifting and damn it is always clean. No more cleaning and wiping frame, rim and chain to keep it decent looking, and yes getting alot better wear from driveline.

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

Great information for solid, real life solutions. Thanks for sharing 👌💪👍

[@akiofearth]

Before you drip the chain into the wax you have to degrease it. This is some effort.

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

In the case of lifeless Andy who looks like he is welded to his computer chair it must be so stressful and hard work for him ducking the chain into that wax, 5 mins work he charges $100+

[@rosomak8244]

No you don't. The grease and wax are similar materials chemically, so they will mix nicely when the temperature is high enough. The "contamination" will be negligible.

[@gweflj]

I get the factory grease out of the rollers on new chains before I hot wax. The people who degrease chains and then just put wet lube on them are morons. All the friction occurs between roller and pin.

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

​@gweflj again, you really struggle to understand the difference between a solid and a fluid, don't you? Your programmers need to sort that out 😂

[@gweflj]

@@JoeyMills-y3v Are you replying to my comment darling?

[@41st]

i think that chain weight has nothing to do with lifetime. its the materials and the tolerances besides all the other factors (the user is responsible for).

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

In the case of steel less is not always more and the difference in the types and strength are key. This BS about no compromise is seen in Ultegra to durarace. Ultegra usual out last it due to materials used but is heavier.

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

The main selling point of wax to noob cyclists is that it doesn't get their hands or clothes dirty. That's all. They're too dumb to realise that it doesn't work as a lubricant because they have no mechanical knowledge or experience. They see someone like Adam, with all his silly gadgets & gobbledygook data, & fall for it. They're also suckers for the sunk cost/time fallacy: they've spent all this money & time on waxing, therefore they become convinced it must be worthwhile, right? No way just running your chain through a rag & applying some cheap mineral oil could be better, right? That's for the Poors! It really is a sad business...

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

Great points well presented Joey. Topman 👌👍💪

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

If waxing your chain gave any performance benefit, then every single professional would have been doing it since the invention of racing for money. But they haven't, & they still don't, cos it's sh!t. Do not believe anybody saying otherwise, they are either stupid or lying.

[@dmitryhetman1509]

​@@JoeyMills-y3vwhich is faster dirty chain or clean chain?

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

@dmitryhetman1509 oil is a better lubricant than wax. Now take your riddles elsewhere 🙄

[@rosomak8244]

@@dmitryhetman1509 Oily dirty chain. Any kind of damn lubrication is better than none. The stuff sticking on the outside where things don't rub each other is IRRELEVANT.

[@reginaldscot165]

5:20 No way. As someone who works in a bike shop and buys direct there is no way he’s getting this stuff for 50% off. Like my discount on buying shimano stuff for example is %10. Yeah, that’s it. Even if you are the distributor you will be getting maximum 40% and that’s before adding your delivery costs and import duties. You are lucky to get 30%. Most likely less. So it’s $95 for the chain, $60 for the fancy wax. No idea his mark up on that but he is not over charging according to your video. And after all that he’s only charging $30 for the time he takes to clean the chain, wax it, and re pack everything. (Also any cleaning chemicals he uses and his electricity costs, I hear they have gone up a lot in OZ recently owning to some insane green policies) So I’m not seeing an issue here? I think it’s a fair price for what it is. It’s a pointless waste of money in my opinion, but if you want that extra 5W and you don’t have the time to do it yourself, an you happen to be a top level Triathlete or something then it makes sense. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

There is no extra 5 watts, he's lying 😂

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

I will make a video of my trade account to prove that 50% is achievable. Also 50% discounts can be found online without even the likes of Wiggle crc not being around and I will prove this also. I did say that wax price for Silca are the same as the Silca website so fair play to him he isn't fleecing here, but everything else is a con. Labour for $90 AUs to dip a chain is a disgrace. He is ripping people off. Its complete BS.... The YBN Chain basic 10 speed chain that retails for €30 I can get openly online as a customer not trade for £13 or €15. I will happily make a video showing the mark up achievable for chains and also lubes to prove what's being said. I think the main takeaway is that even if we dislike someone it should not shroud the actual issue they raise, and no matter what we think of Hambini & Durian Rider they are right that Adam is 🤥 through his teeth about the results and this testing. Also the claim over and over that he is the most referenced independent source for chain testing data is absolutely BS. I will happily prove that YBN, SRAM etc have conducted way more test data available for everyone. We can't check it's true as we can't with Adam so god knows why you or others believe this guy as an honest victim?? But may be your beef with Scambini has clouded your judgement????

[@Jdonnellan1932]

It’s not $90 AU to dip the chain, it’s 30. The other 60 that you added in your video is to buy Silca wax, which the majority of people wouldn't do.

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

A bag of silca wax can be used 40-50 times, so why would he buy a new bag just for one chain? Does he show any evidence he does? Or that he even uses silca rather than cheap stuff? Any evidence at all? Because without it, I don't believe he is. There are so many ways this guy could be scamming, & as his chain wear data has been proven fraudulent (which is a criminal act btw) it is safe to assume he is employing them all. Scratch the surface with this guy & it all falls apart, he is basically running a criminal enterprise.

[@Jdonnellan1932]

@@JoeyMills-y3v "so why would he buy a new bag just for one chain?" I've no idea what you're on about here. You don't need to buy the wax when you buy a new chain, you can just pay for the dip, which will be 95 for chain and 30 for the dip. I'm not endorsing this guy in any way, I'm just pointing out the fact that it's $30 AU to dip the chain not 90.

[@rogermacbain]

damn how many mugs out there are buying into this sheeeeit. for 'em prices i'd expect a full body waxing,

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

Hey they will sell you manscape as well, that they have all the honest data on for that too😉

[@cwmitch2]

Luv it mate, Keep it up🤣

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

Always. Thanks for the support 👍

[@waynehiggins899]

I must admit i wax my chain myself. You have to clean only once you dont need a sonic cleaner two glass jars with lids on. A bent spoke for dipping and a £10 slow cooker from argos for the wax. Job done

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

Wayne these are tips we all need 💪💪👍 Many thanks for sharing

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

So I read the hambini post on zero friction & it is utterly devastating. The man is finished. In the last part he critiques Adam's ability to measure chain stretch to the accuracy he claims & correctly points out it is physically impossible using the instruments shown. Therefore ALL zero friction data on lubricant is proven to be fraudulent. Adam has since posted over 3 hours of rebuttal videos on the post, but has not yet addressed the matter of measurement. Personally I don't believe he can & retain any credibility, but we will see.

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

Which leads to this: "Australian Consumer Law prohibits businesses from making false or misleading representations about: the quality, value or grade of goods/services. the performance characteristics, accessories, benefits and uses of goods/services. the place of origin of a product (where it was made or assembled)". Adam is commiting criminal acts by that definition. Naughty Adam! 😂

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

I agree 💯 with you and also agree with Hambini. But Hambini is punting out over priced products that has data that only is available for Hambini. Like I say looks like they are fighting for the same customer and want to snuff each other out. Got to love it😉

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

@@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST I have no opinion on hambini & skated through the parts of his post on ceramic bearings. They may be incorrect, I do not care. The parts on Adam's measurement methodology, however, are absolutely correct. Adam claims to be able to measure chain wear to an accuracy the instruments he uses are physically incapable of, which is outright fraud. Not debatable. Read for yourself: "Kerin claims that his testing can detect a measurable difference of 0.3% of 0.64 mm - equating to 0.0019 mm (2 microns). However, these results are 50 times more precise than the stated accuracy of his uncertified and uncalibrated measuring equipment, which has a tolerance of +/-0.05 mm. Even a Mitutoyo caliper, the benchmark in industry, has a certified accuracy of +/-0.02 mm, which is still far less precise than the accuracy Kerin is asserting. This does not take into account the level of user error associated with such devices either. When extrapolated over a full chain length of 116 links (approximately 1.47 meters), he asserts that his setup can detect a variance of just 0.22mm (the thickness of 2 sheets of paper) on a chain that is inherently flexible. To put this into context, Kerin is claiming his measuring equipment can detect the presence of a single rod of E-coli bacteria (2 microns) on the bike chain over 10 links". As I pointed out, again correctly, this is illegal according to Australian law.

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST Oh & BTW I'd already run through Adam's measurement numbers myself & noted that he claims to be able to measure the difference between 5.3% & 5.4% of Adam's 0.64 mm standard for wear. This 0.1% difference equates to 0.073 mm over the full length of a 12 speed chain, so hambini was being generous with his numbers by only using 0.3% (he probably did it for the sake of simplicity, as even 0.3% is clearly impossible for Adam to measure accurately) Hambini also did not point out that Adam also admits on video that his KMC digital caliper is not accurate enough for precise measurements, then states he uses a non calibrated shimano chain stretch measurement device instead, then checks the accuracy of the non calibrated shimano device using the same KMC digital caliper he admitted was not accurate enough 10 minutes before. This is sheer lunacy, massive & obvious fraud that a high school kid could spot a mile away using elementary math & a simple Google search. Adam might as well say he uses witchcraft for his measurements, it would be as believable 😂

[@jered2177]

#durianrider

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

Durian ring💍 rider 😲

[@mugendrewable]

Molten Speed Wax. The Molten Speed Wax swisher tool is worth the money. The handle of the the swisher tool is M.S.W. logo. So I don't know what you thought it resembles??? I use Shimano chains. I ride less than a mile from Tampa Bay. Zero rust issues.

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

OK chatbot, I believe you! 😂

[@mugendrewable]

@@JoeyMills-y3v not a bot. Do you have anything useful to add?

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

@mugendrewable you clearly are a bot tho 🙄

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

The piece of wire that is sold as stronger than a coat hanger for $20 and that ZFC makes out is his branding on the bent coat hanger wire is now actually MSW, dude you clearly a bot like Joey says. No human is this numb, are they 😉

[@therealkakkamakkara]

so what? don't like it, don't buy it. we don't know the alternative cost of his time (, or the buyers time). maybe he has another gig were he earns more. so for him to take time to wax a chain he feels he needs to charge like this. or maybe he just doesn't want to wax chains all day long, so puts a price high enough to limit demand. it also seems he has done alot of research, perhaps he expects buyers to indirectly pay for that time. It's not like he is selling the only cure around. It's just an option.

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

Put your money where your mouth is. Buy one of his chain kits if you think it's so great. Wouldn't want all that data to disappear for a geek like yourself that needs a 6 watt advantage because you didn't support Zero Fictions shilling 😲🤑

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

He shouldn't be waxing chains at all though, cos wax is not a suitable lubricant for roller chains. Go service an elevator, then tell your bosses you used wax to oil the chains, youll get sacked immediately lol. He shouldn't be removing the factory grease either, its there for a reason & the manufacturers tell you not to remove it. He's basically charging money for selling a product he deliberately ruined & violated the warranty on, good luck getting compensation if it breaks & you get hurt😂

[@teddykayy]

He is putting out info for cycling consumers like me who want to make better decisions in a market where every other product is an outright scam. When 99% of channels are shilling these products he provides a valuable service

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

@teddykayy His info is false & you're a bot account. Are we done here? 😅

[@rosomak8244]

@@teddykayy Ask any experienced rider instead. I have been multiple times around the earth on a bike. I been around people really touring on their bikes. NONE literally NONE is doing this waxing dance. Clean your chain. Dry it. Put some lube on.