Zero SRF - 3 things that surprised me

[@kelpengineer5303]

Saw the acceleration at 5:10 and hit like out of pure reflex... I need one of these in my life.

[@HomoKieran]

I wish people would stop saying they don't have enough range, that they aren't good enough yet. They don't have enough range for some people, perhaps you, but they do have enough range for many people. Same goes for the charging speed, yeah if you do exceed the range and need to charge mid-trip then it can be too long of a wait, but if you get something with enough range for your daily trip then at worst you'll just be popping it on charge when you get home and it'll be ready for the next day.

[@Miata822]

100% agree. I live in a large sprawling city. I easily do all my around town running on this bike. It is amazing good fun to hoon around on as well. Like most people who will spend what this costs it isn't my only bike. Just look at TMF's collection. Different bikes for different rides, but I have pushed the limits on this bike and with the 6kW charger it is easy to add a few miles while out and about. Nobody sits and waits for it to charge to 100%. Just grab enough to get you back home and scoot.

[@rocketrollsvlogs7625]

I agree wholeheartedly. I can ride a week on a charge if I had to. They aren't tourers. Yet. They are great commuters. Definitely fun to ride. It's not all about range.

[@kignacio]

Agreed. 95% of people live within 40 miles of their workplace, and have an outlet at each end and work 8+ hours which meets the needs of their smallest model FXS/FXE so I don’t see what all the “waffling” is about 😂

[@evotrike]

Range is only determined to the amount of fuel you put in ie £2 =1 ltr of petrol which gets you say 10 mile if you lucky ,the same £2 in a srf gets you 100-160 mile ,people do the maths , and most bikes sit in sheds & garages most the time ,best time to charge them, or if people did there home work rather than give negative comments (put 4 solar panels on your garage roof and charge for free ) ive done this before on a TC max (free motoring) , yes the cost is high 20k but compared to say indian chief 25k or duccati 23k or similar then the zero is not so expensive ...thank you and ride safe

[@TheSweetasanut]

At least you didn’t chuck it down the road mate 😄😄

[@yonniboy1]

You're absolutely right about the acceleration, I was at a track day during the summer and a fella on a Zero SR was leaving everything for dead on the straights, it wasn't so hot on the infield but up to 100 to 120mph he just dissapeared into the distance.

[@HippoDrones]

I really really really want to love electric bikes, I can't wait to get to the point in time when I get excited about them... I think we are on the cusp... but so near, yet so far!

[@thorstambaugh1520]

All it takes is one test ride

[@marcos1669]

@@thorstambaugh1520 Agree, I tested a Zero S (which is a A1 license bike) and I was amazed, in eco mode was very drivable for someone with little to no experience, but on sport mode, it was actually faster than a 650 A2 bike like the Ninja 650 or CBR650R. Don´t even want to imagine how the big ones run...

[@peterhird3542]

Hi TMF, Your quote, “You run outta Balls”...Hilarious 😂😂😂. The Zero bike looks fantastic and with the current evolution of electric vehicle technology, hopefully the market and the changing infrastructure will improve and therefore increase the acceptance and usability 👍🔌🏍. Looking forward to whatever videos and info that you can share on electric motorcycles. Cheers.

[@colindeans5972]

I love the hum / howl these things make. Nicely done TMF, thanks again.

[@spetersonmusic]

Your reaction when you did the roll-on pull was money. That's why bikes are the best!! More smiles per mile!!

[@kevinfarrell5778]

Scenery disappeared behind you when you gunned it...amazing acceleration......and a matching lid..haha..informative as ever...top job..👍👍

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you Kevin...

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

"you don't get the impression from a youtube video how extremely fast this bike is": I think we did...lol

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

:0)

[@kurtisklein2682]

Have ridden one and these, and a Tuono Factory (for perspective). These SRF's are quick!

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

@@kurtisklein2682 What did you make of the electric bike? Would you consider one?

[@kurtisklein2682]

@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne I am a bit biased. I am a big EV fan and drive an older Tesla at the moment. But I think E-bikes such as this are perfect for someone who likes to have spirited commutes, or short canyon carving/ twistie runs. As TMF said, about 90 miles of hard riding range. So good for commutes or short weekend blasts. edit: The bike is awesome, highly recommend trying to get a test ride if you are interested in how they ride, carries its weight very well and is blisteringly fast in a straight line.

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

@@kurtisklein2682 Yes, the technology appeals to me. I'm not keen on the prices currently but am quite certain they will come down....appreciate the feedback.

[@theevrider]

I have an SRF and it works perfectly for me for 40 mile commuting per day and weekend fun rides. I completely agree that the handling and performance are brilliant.

[@bikerbuddy3166]

I’d say they are best at it at the moment, they have definitely had one in production the longest , I hope all the new and up coming riders love em Leave more petrol ⛽️ for us 😎☝️😂🏍🇬🇧

[@4N2IN0JA]

Great review, I wish you would have got to do more testing with it. I almost test rode one but decided not to because I knew it would make my 2018 GSXS750 feel slow 😂

[@peterwrench4416]

I’m sure there was a sticker on the back of that van which read, “ TMF aware driver”

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

:0)

[@fantastic1965]

Good coverage TMF. Acceleration on the lecky bikes is astonishing and terribly tempting. For me that's where It ends. Nothing else about electric convinces me they'll be the future without decimating more of the environment. 40 years ago all predictions pointed towards hydrogen as the only sustainable long term low impact fuel. And of course you can use the internal combustion engine with hydrogen. But there's no money in the most abundant element in the universe.

[@karlosh9286]

and you can use hydrogen in hydrogen-fuel-cells to generate electricity. Still need a small lithium battery to cope with the "peaky" demands of the electric motor. The fuel cell keeps the battery charged. I'm sure I read somewhere burning hydrogen in an internal combustion engine is only about 25% efficient, in electric fuel cells it's something like 60% efficient. The issues with hydrogen are (1) no current refilling infrastructure (2) compressing and decompressing it . ( heating up under compression, freezing under decompression. The way fridges work ) (3) as the smallest element it really likes to leak out of virtually all known containers . (4) if you do manage to get a build up of hydrogen gas in a garage or say inside a car it can go "pop" quite explosively (see the Hindenburg ). You can't smell it, so you need hydrogen gas detectors. (5) You have to generate your hydrogen from somewhere, electrolysis of water or some chemical reactions that still do produce CO2 . The hardest one of the above to solve is (1) lack of refilling infrastructure. But it is quicker to fill up hydrogen tanks than charging batteries, and doesn't pollute when it is being used ! All the hydrogen fuel cell cars made so far are very expensive, but they've been more prototypes than mass produced, so that could improve. I think James May is now trying to run a Toyota one, with around only 8 filling stations in the UK, so he'll need to make sure he has his AA Relay Rescue cover if he runs out.

[@brno221973]

I think I’ll end up owning one within the next 10 years, just before I hang my leathers up for good.👍

[@Jonathan-L]

After you've finished with it, let me know and I'll buy it from you.

[@gdscheiwe01]

My work commute is 17 miles one way. Even mix of suburban sprawl, freeway and country roads. With an option to take a nice twisty road as a detour if I have a few extra minutes. The SR/F could be perfect. The price is the one stumbling block for me. Drop the price by 20% and I would be in. One request sir. Could you put some playing cards in the wheels the next time you test an electric bike? For that old fashioned engine noise. Peace

[@dannyracer25]

Haha brilliant video Tmf great bike just need more miles for me to buy one. 250 miles will be about right for Sunday ride in summer.

[@markbur1503]

Love the description of you pulling away in sport mode. I bet your face was contorted in your skid lid! 😁😁

[@rocketrollsvlogs7625]

These bikes are a blast to ride. They aren't too expensive when you factor in maintenance and insurance. It's not all about range. I could ride for days on a charge for one of these bikes.

[@Porsche996driver]

4:50 into warp speed! Ya it’s like the video was accelerated ha.

[@thorstambaugh1520]

Covering the speedometer is a great idea!

[@splodge57]

Yeah the price needs to drop, range and charging time improve then I'd be interested. Great they've fitted traction control but I wish the rear brake was a lever on the left handlebar.

[@caspianprince]

Yup, I found that it would have been much better to move the brake up to the handlebar too, so then it'd be like my scooter. Hand is much more sensitive than foot.

[@garrydoubleday876]

Well then get your self a Scooter

[@garrydoubleday876]

@ALCLCF that's understandable but it was a joke that motorcycles have a foot brake and scooters and mopeds have handbrakes is like calling yourself a mod or rocker which one would you choose

[@biffaozzie2373]

Problem with the brake on the left bar is people who ride ICE bikes with a clutch as well as the leccy bike. I suspect that most people will have a leccy bike and an ICE bike for longer distances (certainly I would). Grabbing the brake when you instinctively go for the clutch would not be good. I don't have a scooter for that same reason.

[@biffaozzie2373]

Actually, best way would be to have linked brakes (abs front and rear) on the right lever. My R1200RT has this and I almost never use the rear brake, which is really only there for legal / design rule reasons.

[@springy-2112]

Hey young Mr Flyer looks like they are getting there gradually with range and charging which is great news for the future...but a point for politicians and manufacturers. If you want us all to go electric we need to be able to afford the vehicle !! okTMF thank you for sharing this .. you're doing a great job .👍🏻☮❤

[@yorkchris10]

England is only 181 miles wide. I know a Spitfire pilot that crossed it in the blink of an eye.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

..OK, and your point is??

[@27jollytall]

Another great review from an interesting perspective, thanks. I think you are right; we are heading helplessly towards electric propulsion ... I am even looking at a plug in hybrid 4x4 for my four wheel drive transport.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I already drive a Mercedes hybrid, it is brilliant - period.

[@jeffhopkins8131]

Very Interesting, makes me question why the Motorcycle press make such a big thing about BHP when you can see how effective low down torque can be.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Indeed!

[@karlosh9286]

If you want to go at silly speeds nothing beats peak BHP. If you just want to quickly accelerate to legal road speeds then lots of low down torque and maybe less top end BHP is all most riders need. This is one of the reasons why I love my Speed Twin !

[@jeffhopkins8131]

@@karlosh9286 Totally agree.

[@Budget-Cars-And-Bikes]

Have you considered doing a quick video on your garage at all? all the things you've done to it, all your gear including helmets and clothing (as you seem to have LOT of gear) did you buy it all? or was some sent to you for review and you kept and still use it? and just a general walk-round of your "Man Cave" could be interesting (and have you ever had One of those bottles of beer I always see in the background haha)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

You’re not the first (nor I suspect last) to ask that! It really is just a normal garage - I can’t imagine a “tour” would be of any interest!!

[@Raymaciver]

How did u know how fast u were going with the speedo covered up? That surprised me!🤔

[@kevinfarrell5778]

Think we need to be some sort of alien to read the TMF Speedo...havnt managed it myself yet..

[@Miata822]

He also didn't *film* how fast he was going, a wise choice.

[@ThumperXT]

That looked very quick to me matey.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

It felt it!!

[@grahamhunter3233]

Very impressive acceleration, you're probably 5' 9 now😜

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

:0)

[@antonoat]

I think if they can incorporate a noise generator it may help with the safety aspect, I'd like one which sounds like an Aprilia RSV with a project sound exhaust please! Great review as usual.

[@thorstambaugh1520]

I love the silence. And studies show no difference in accident rates. Visibility is the key

[@kevinmobile]

If ever one needed confirmation that there was a glitch in the insurance risk algorithm for high performance and very expensive electric bikes your low quote example proves this! Could someone from the insurance or underwriting industry give an explanation?

[@caspianprince]

Reckon it's because they're unlikely to get nicked, and likely to be ridden very little and certainly not for very long, and as a second bike at that. Also they may accelerate like stink but range anxiety kicks in strong and you find yourself trying to go slowly everywhere. Not in itself a bad thing.

[@tomthompson7400]

we will all be on them before long ,,,, but hard not to want to blip the throttle lol

[@brianwhite1189]

That was fun! Thanks!

[@Treizez34]

If they can make electronic engine noises that are engaging the way existing combustion motors are, I'm in on the e-bikes.

[@Mybwain]

How about the sound effects they use in scifi movies for vehicles?

[@Porsche996driver]

Yes - can they modify the electric zzzzz to a slightly more mechanical / bass sound?

[@SuperDixxxie]

My heart was in my mouth when you turned it round at that triangle but the electric bike curse as been lifted now me thinks lol

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I hope so!

[@slartybartfarst9737]

The new 15.5+kWh does 100 to 110 miles range without the unlock on the battery. These things are addictive, good guess on the weight feel yes feels like 180Kg

[@speedtriplet5093]

The one thing that surprised me you did not fall off this one 👍

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheeky!

[@windmilljohn]

I disagree that the red car at 1:55 pulled out in front of you. No need to get into specifics, but it all looked pretty legit, bearing in mind you’re on a bike. You could argue the need for defensive riding, but I see no issue with the car. Bike speed, momentum, acceleration, type of town, type of junction, car turning left in front of you...

[@colinsmith1412]

You’re talking shite. Car clearly misjudged and pulled out on him. Do yourself a favour and leave the riding to those of us who are experts.

[@palantir135]

Yes I remember the summer, it was 40,5°C where I live or much too hot. Charging time is still too long. Not a problem if you can charge overnight but for touring it will be annoying every time charging. I don,’tbthink that will change enough in the near future. Warpspeed is possible I see. Blocking the speedometer here in NL is very forbidden.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks for watching as ever....

[@ghint]

Well that's definitely interesting as Lexham quoted me for 1200/year to insure a 10k GBP Zero S, 11Kw model.

[@weemt07biker74]

Yeah you could see that acceleration lol. Man electric bikes are getting good looking, still out my price range lol. Great vid.

[@willhorsley2105]

Want, want, want ...! Gotta wait for prices to come down, about half what they are now I reckon, then I’m in.

[@Below-Average_Joe]

If it can get a160 mile range, it would be a very practical commuter and sport bike.

[@biffaozzie2373]

My take on electric vehicles is that people don't suffer from range anxiety but from "recharge" anxiety. There are lots of ICE bikes with not much more than 100 mile range, but the difference is that you can "recharge" them in about 3 minutes. Electric bikes need fast charging more than they need range (a 15 minute recharge would be fine- time for a piss and a coffee, and stretch the legs)

[@peterhatfield5632]

What most surprised me about the Zero SR/F was how HIGH the insurance was. For a start, my current multi-bike insurer wouldn't even give a quote, and eventually my broker found a company that quoted at £485. By way of comparison, my multi-bike policy is £150; good on Principal for their reasonable quote.

[@shaunbarclay1309]

hey man i did something similar with my gopro a few weeks ago and was surprised to learn the lens can just twist off and be swapped out!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

It does indeed - but not on my new GoPro 8!

[@shaunbarclay1309]

TheMissendenFlyer are you sure it’s not just really stiff? It would be a real bad move on gopros part to make the lens non removable as people use them for filters and such. If there’s a seam it can come off. Mines was really stiff and if I hadn’t seen a video on it I wouldn’t have done it.

[@bradleyalexander5821]

That was fast. Would love to test ride but probably get into too much trouble too soon if purchased.

[@billfreeman398]

Lovely bit of kit. Lack of rev bomb fun is the breaker though.

[@SpirosGlykas]

Yeah, they're getting better and better all the time, aren't they? Another aspect is the maintenance. There's not much to service, is there? And the battery lasts a 150,000 miles.

[@alunjones2550]

-The car didn't pull right out in front of you. It was a roundabout, he was already on the roundabout as you were approaching. I'm a biker too, but some people seem to think that because they're approaching a mini roundabout at a higher speed, that gives them right of way.. No it doesn't. He was there first. Read the highway code... The highway code says "watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout. look forward before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off" Sorry TMF but this time you're wrong..

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I don't have a monopoly on being right! ;0) I checked my highway code as per your recommendation, article 185 point 21 (on roundabouts) says "when reaching a roundabout you should give priority to traffic approaching from the right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights". In this particular case I believe the driver made a late decision to pull out as I approached from the right, he may not have seen me, in any case I had to slow down and take avoiding action - something I think if he had done in a test (forced another road user to take avoiding action) would have resulted in a fail. Being at the roundabout first doesn't mean you don't have to give way to the right. Just my opinion and as I say I'm not claiming to be right about everything...

[@alunjones2550]

@@TheMissendenFlyer "when reaching a roundabout"... The car had already reached the roundabout. You hadn't and were still quite a distance from the junction.To me, "giving priority to vehicles from the right" is in reference to vehicles on the roundabout itself. Since when does a vehicle already at the junction of a roundabout have to wait for a vehicle to their right that hasn't even arrived at the roundabout yet. Sorry mate, but you were riding too fast for the environment you were in.. He was fully on the roundabout before you'd even arrived at the junction. Stop your video at 1:56 and 1:57. As bikers, we sometimes need realise just how much faster and agile we are in town than a car and our approach speeds can be so much greater than a cars. This means we reduce our own safety margins, irrespective of other road users. I enjoy your vids but I feel strongly that sometimes we give car users a bad rap when the truth is we're the one's going too fast. Just don't want to see you get hurt....

[@pistolpete6321]

Insanely fast!

[@Purplemonkey1974]

Q. Is the difference between slow and fast charge single phase and three phase electricity?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Err dunno - might be....

[@BarryThompsonUK]

You can fit a 7kw charger to a standard UK home supply, which is considered a standard EV car charger. That should do a Zero pretty quickly. Ideal range is charge from 20% to 80% on cars and that takes less than an hour typically.

[@chrisredfield3240]

I think 3 phase charges a car to 80% in 30mins in theory. The bike batteries are less than 1/4 of the size. Also i don't the batteries are liquid cooled like on the car so 7kw for 2.5-3h is the best you can have.

[@c.g.c2067]

Drove once a Tesla model S and was shocked by its acceleration despite its weight. No gearbox however is not great fun

[@andyinsuffolk]

Doesn't look like the little red car at 2:00 'pulled out in front' it was already at the mini roundabout and has priority.

[@benj5386]

Agreed. TMF hadn't yet reached the junction. Red car was in the right.

[@barriewilliams4526]

Great video as ever. I agree entirely with your sentiments regarding this not being an all-rounder just yet but hopefully in the not too distant future..... The high price is a big drawback for many bikers & I can see a few that can afford this bike getting into trouble with it if not respected :)

[@willwye410]

Did you get that insurance quote from Principal before Bennetts started sponsoring you? And I hope you negotiated their sponsorship to include cover for the bikes you test ride!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

On the first point yes I did.

[@John_Ridley]

Really want one. But it couldn't be my only bike, on a route I go on vacation it's almost 250 miles between chargers.

[@OrlandoRick]

Where is that?

[@John_Ridley]

@@OrlandoRick Michigan's UP. There's nothing up there but class 2 220 and standard 110V outlets on light poles, except for some Tesla destination chargers (only usable if you are a hotel guest, etc). On my run from the Detroit area, it's about 180 miles through the northern lower peninsula to some chargers north of the bridge, then nothing but 110V sockets until I get to Marquette about 180 miles later. I just found out about the ones at the bridge a day or two ago. Even with these though to get to my vacation spots, which is a 10 hour trip in a normal car, I would have to do about 18 hours of charging because no fast chargers are available. That turns this into a 28 hour trip even assuming I can get immediate access to charge points, which is not at all certain; for one thing about half the chargers are not accessible at all in the winter time, and when they are, there is only one or two sockets at most of them.

[@OrlandoRick]

John Ridley Look at PlugShare, Michigan is flooded with L2 chargers. Check for both J1772 and regular Tesla stations (you can use a TeslaTap).

[@John_Ridley]

@@OrlandoRick In the UP? OK I've been through the map just last week but going through it again I'm finding the same thing. There LOOK to be chargers about every 50 miles on average (sometimes 100 to 120 miles) but many of them are inaccessible in the winter, or are at campsites and only accessible if you buy a site, and if you've ever just rolled up to a state campground in the UP in the summer and tried to get a site on the spot, it ain't happenin', they're booked up months in advance. Here's what I'm finding in the eastern UP where I frequent. Note that many of these places are 100 miles apart. Naubinway: hotel guests only. Grand Marais: 220 NEMA sockets, unplowed in the winter but free, but also not on the way to anything, you'd have to go 50 miles out of your way to charge here. Munising - casino has 12 NEMA RV hookups Manistique - campground residents only, must buy a site to plug in. Marquette - Two charge ports downtown L'Anse - 2 ports in the park Houghton - 3 ports 1 is NEMA Ahmeek - great private free charger! Copper Harbor - state campground, must buy a site.

[@OrlandoRick]

@@John_Ridley Ahh, you mean up in the Haiwatha National Forest? I understand it there.. possible but really a stretch... not a very populated area. Didn't realize you lived there.

[@mikedignum1868]

Warp speed Mr.Flyer.

[@simonscott5104]

What car pulled out in front of you ?

[@daverose4789]

I think I'm getting a bit tipsy on these daily TMF's. A bit like that bottle of good whisky you just keep having to have a nightly slurp this time of year :-)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Nice one Dave - I hope so!

[@dplummer35]

How did you know how fast you were going with that great big sucker covering the screen?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

GPS speed on my watch....

[@Howling-Mad-Murdock]

£20k, wow. If the price drops along with the charge time, and fast chargers get a lot more common, I could see these being popular. There’ll be a niche market though as is, for those who can afford them. I’d be nervous round town though with the lack of noise, I’m guilty myself of sometimes crossing a side street without looking if I can’t hear an engine - wonder if they’ll have to start adding a sound ala Porsche Taycan.

[@docgreen4934]

Hi TMF - stonking bike eh? Bet you had some fun on that, overtaking white vans!! I’ve been looking at Tesla’s for a while and will no doubt take the plunge next year. The only problem’s going to be the demand for charging points on all roads. At the moment they don’t seem to be over-used but it won’t take such a dramatic upturn in electric car sales for it to become a real problem. Now with this fun bike having a 90 mile range, it falls straight into the charging point demand trap. This bike (and others) are going to have to get to a range of 250 miles before they’re a real option. Just a view! Wouldn’t mind a test ride though before the actuaries realise their error! Yours aye, Alan.

[@Bass.Player]

Combustion engines are going the way of the two stroke. Probably be illegal to have one in the future unless it's a relic...

[@whatsstefon]

With dinosaurs still in power and invested heavily in fossil fuels and mining, I sadly believe that it’ll be 50 years before that comes to fruition.

[@Bass.Player]

@@whatsstefon I remember people saying similar things about the 8 track tape and CD. New car battery technology that allows 621 miles on one charge is here in refinement, so in just a few years electrical cars will be much more efficient than anything we have now by a long shot. I say a few years because the cost has to come down but there will be subsidies . I'm thinking on the very outside ten years at most. We have batteries now the size of a cell phone that will start your car. (i have two of them) Just think: In the not to distant future it will be illegal for a person to drive.

[@whatsstefon]

Bass Player I’m hopeful you’re correct. I’m just jaded from watching the last few years of politics. I’ve been very excited about electric vehicles, having closely watched Tesla make it become a normal household though, rather than a hobby. They too begun as expensive toys, but are now becoming within financial reach. As are these motorcycles. Right now they are still not there, but they are so close. I’d like to think my next bike will be electric. I’d like to believe that ICE powered vehicles will not be around, as much as I love the sound and feel. But I also embrace the future in a very hypocritical fashion which I have no qualms in admitting to. On one hand I want to see this happen, on the other hand I don’t see it in my lifetime. But I’ll be pleased if I do.

[@karlosh9286]

Camera "strategically" placed to "blur" out the speedo ? :) So how fast 0-60 ? Have you been on Thorpe Park's Stealth launched roller coaster ? I wonder how it compares to that. At £20K it would be interesting for a runway drag strip competition, this bike, Triumph Rocket 3 (£20k-ish), BMW S1000RR ( or any 1 litre 200 BHP sports bike for around £20K)

[@dazadorph45]

My only concern in the ability to carry a pillion and luggage filled on at least a 100 mile distance before charging. there are more charge points in the UK now than there is petrol stations. But till the electric bikes can do what I need them to do then I am holding off till then.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Fair enough.

[@davemurphy2020]

Always appreciate your reviews and other vids well done. This Zero looks gripping. My question is based on a professional interest. I design and build 'alternative' portable generators for remote applications and have often been asked to supply charging systems for ev's. So far without success. The 'real world' numbers from manufacturers are hard to come by and ev owners are often wolley about these specs. In your experience do you know the cost of a full charge or can put a kwhr figure to a recharge, from your meter perhaps, for that ev bike? Probably going to attract some flack for the question but I'm used to that from both sides of the green divide.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I don't I'm afraid Dave - sorry....

[@davemurphy2020]

@@TheMissendenFlyer No worries I'll keep digging. Cheers!

[@thorstambaugh1520]

I have an SR. The battery is 14.4 KwH. Here in the states I pay around 10-12 cents a KWH . So from absolute dead 0 it cost me about 1.45 to 1.75 to completely charge. Figure a riding range of between 100 to 160 miles and you do the math. Some places in the country pay up to 18-20 cents a KWH but these bikes run about 1 to 3 pennies a mile

[@davemurphy2020]

@@thorstambaugh1520 Greatly appreciated information. Off grid portable charging units for transport are very nearly a reality albeit limited to ev bikes or off road golf carts. My problem is those with the money to develop mini generators drive 3 ton SUV's . Again thanks for your reply.

[@neilwiddison6529]

I think as a commuter bike these things would be ace as long as you dont go far. The biggest down side is the price the average working man who rides it is way out of there price range.

[@jace2wheel762]

Ok bike aside...did you seriously mount your go pro on the info cluster????

[@lynsmith1096]

Another good video TMF. I'm still not convinced with Electric Bikes. They still have a long way to go.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Have you tried one Lyn?

[@lynsmith1096]

@@TheMissendenFlyer No I have not tried 1 yet they are little bit to heavy for me and I am a short bloke.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

..when you do, you'll be a convert like the rest of us that have ridden them....and what sort of name is Lyn for a bloke? Had my hopes built up there - have a word with your mum and dad for me will you ;0)

[@lynsmith1096]

@@TheMissendenFlyer Lyn is short for Lyndon

[@chrisredfield3240]

The price needs to come way down. Even if they get to £10k you can still get some really nice bikes for £10k. Kawasaki z1000sx for one. I know there's running cost's but the other £10k will buy a lot of petrol

[@iainamurray]

Seems a bit harsh to say it's not practical - seems incredibly practical in many ways other than one - the times you want to go for 100 mile + ride and no time.

[@marcus577]

I’ve mentioned this before. You always find a White van. My first insurance BMWR1200RT £550 with Bennets after 30 year gap.

[@scottmitchell6371]

Like you say they are nearly there. The good news is the man who bought us the lithium battery who's name escapes me wait one! John Goodenough (no joke that's his name) has invented a solid state battery! Unlike a lot of inventors he just gives the info to the general public instead of selling it so soon the batteries will be lighter, smaller and five times the power there are videos on KZbin about it, so electric planes etc. Exciting times. 😁

[@chrisredfield3240]

About time the lithium battery was invented almost 50 years ago now

[@scottmitchell6371]

Profesor John Goodenough is 97 and going strong.

[@johngreen9289]

Is there any road tax to pay

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I don't honestly know - if there is it will be super minimnal if my hybrid car tax is anything to go by (£20/year for a big Merc estate)....

[@alanrobinson2229]

Is this worth £6000 more than the DSR?

[@brucekendall52]

Just wish they were reasonably priced as I'm sure a lot of people think.Cheers.

[@johnstonstewart9683]

I wonder how long it is before we're told that sitting in the magnetic field of an electric vehicle could have a detrimental effect on us long term? Have you felt the weight of the floor mats on electric cars? Obviously lined with some sort of shielding material.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

He he - conspiracy theories are alive and well! ...although you might have a point about the bikes!

[@johnstonstewart9683]

Yes indeed. Just thought I'd throw that out there to see if it provokes a reaction.😁🤔

[@jasbo7288]

I'm ready for one, once it has a 200 mile range, fast charge capability and price that's realistic..until then petrol it is..😉

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

Ye gods man...so many uploads my wife thinks I'm secretly watching porn...!!!

[@GadgetMart]

You are... Bike porn

[@toxicwaste1581]

look up lightning strike or energica ego those are electric sportbikes

[@toxicwaste1581]

@ALCLCF lighting is certified by the irs look it up

[@toxicwaste1581]

lightning has been around since 2006 and they been selling the ls218 for a long time but the ls218 is 38K + you can't just assume there a scam there coming out with there strike this year there a bit late but hopefully it wont take long they've got a niche market going for them we'll just have to wait and see ma dude

[@JimmySlacksack]

That right side mirror was bugging me throughout!

[@approach11]

Got an SR/S and a Fireblade RR-R SP, the Zero is as much fun to ride as the Fireblade.

[@billcotton1551]

The acceleration looked comparable to a jet taking off.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

It felt faster than any jets I've taken off in! To be fair these have mostly been airliners however (except for one military jet trainer - the bike was definitely faster than that!).

[@mikek2218]

The DSR feels heavier because it's a taller ADV bike so the center of gravity is up higher. Not quite an apples to apples comparison with the SRF.

[@stephenr6427]

There is a slight buzzing just thought I'd let you know as you pay loads for all the gear you use and I'm sure you want it to be perfect

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

I reckon that's interference from the electric engine...

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yeah sorry - dodgy mic I reckon....

[@Jaffa1951]

Now here's a chance for you to upset Chopsy! Would it out accelerate his H2? Very good insurance quote. I think it's because they know you can't go very far on it. Just kidding - I'm looking forward to them getting cheaper and a longer range, and I'll be getting one. The fact that they're super fast isn't the most important thing, to me, but that would still be a nice touch.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yeah agreed all round...

[@paulcosgrove6160]

I have ridden 3 electric bikes to date, all were similarly fast but.............All were slower accelerating, after physically timing them (on a closed road of course) my Yamaha Big Bang R1 with Akropovic exhaust & PC 5, BMW S1000R with full Akropovic and PC 5, Kawasaki H2 with Akropovic can and felt nowhere near as brutal as my Yamaha V-Max 1700 with full Akropovic exhaust, KTM Superduke 1290R with Akropovic can, Generation 2 Yoshimura Suzuki Hyabusa, RC developments Gen. 1 Kawasaki ZZR 1400 with Yoshimura and a Ducati Diavel with Termis which I sold recently. All had nothing like the top speed either. The lack of possibility of customising / tuning to make them a bit special puts me off too, plus a loud bike really is a safe bike and FUN! Nice honest review though TMF.

[@karlosh9286]

I'd love a ride and I'm sure it would out drag a Speed Twin. Which begs the question how much quicker up to say 70 MPH is it than a Speed Twin ? If I pin it, I feel like my Speed Twin is almost ripping my arms out of their sockets, from the sound of it this is like a medieval torture rack :-D

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

...oh yes much quicker acceleration than my Speed Twin (or my Panigale for that matter!).....

[@karlosh9286]

@@TheMissendenFlyer quicker than the Panigale , blimin' 'ell ! Sounds like I'd need some adult nappies before I have a ride :)

[@alhung5637]

Out of curiosity: why do many non-USA motorcycle writers cite range in miles, and not km's? Not a complaint, it just seems strange especially since weight is nearly always cited in kg's.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

We use miles in the UK....

[@alhung5637]

@@TheMissendenFlyer Had no idea. And I guess I said "non-USA" because the only other motorcycle-based media I take is in from the UK.

[@loki1066]

That acceleration looks a bit too moorish for my liking 😻😻😻😻 Do you think insurance companies have been told to go easy on electric vehicles ?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Dunno, good question!

[@sandydennylives1392]

It's about to get very practical. Samsung are developing car batteries with added graphene to give a 250,000 mile lifespan and a 10 min charging time. Time to save the Ozone layer one biker at a time.

[@sharpbends]

Make a good commuter, if your round trip is about 10 - 15 miles ;-)

[@thorstambaugh1520]

lol Ride 80 miles to work Highway, plug into an outlet, ride 80 miles home. Pay attention now!!

[@judeoko]

If they are anything like electric cars ( nissan leaf or tessla) the the deprecation on £20,000 would means 3 or 4 years later you' d be lucky to get £4000. It's the confidence and batteries. Your right 5 to 10 years they may be future but still a way off. If you could get a small two stroke engine and put it in a ruck sack on your back, then you would get the smell the sensation and the noise and THE SOUL ID GET ONE. Was it like accidentally sitting on your electric tooth brush without your trollies on?

[@BarryThompsonUK]

You need to check your research, early Nissan Leafs are actually going UP in value on the 2nd hand market, supply can't meet demand so they're holding value very well.

[@judeoko]

Fraction of price its cost of batteries, a Mitsubishi phev not even getting 30% after 3 years. I was advised two weeks ago not to buy a Nissan but to lease as I asked about residual value. So from what I've seen and been told by a dealer they do not hold money. So £32,000 for a Nissan leaf, what is it worth 4 years old £8 or £9000 if your lucky.

[@BarryThompsonUK]

@@judeoko All cars lose 50% value in the first three years, and the Leaf was the first real EV so public confidence wasn't there at first. Supply and demand has kicked in now though. Battery wise, aside from edge cases that have been treated badly most are still running 80/90% battery strength so the early worries about needing new battery packs at four years old simply isn't the case. You can fix the dodgy cells anyway, rather than replacing entire pack. Also, car dealers are under pressure to sell the petrol/derv models so it's understandable they'll be disparaging about EV.

[@Miata822]

Yes, crazy wicked next-level quick. I've owned and ridden seriously quick bike including electric but wasn't prepared for this. Whacking it open on my test ride I almost fell off the back. But it isn't just the acceleration. I hadn't realized how much I used engine sound to judge my speed. I'm getting better but nevertheless recently got a "performance award" from a local official when I wasn't even trying to. The range thing... It helps to drive an electric car first, at least it did for me. I learned through reading about "hypermiling" how to drive most efficiently. Cars have more detailed gauges and it's easier in them to fine tune your skills. Really it's all about preserving momentum and using regen effectively but only when needed. I made a game of it. When it comes to riding my SR/F (oh yes, I ordered immediately after the test ride) I've learned to ride very efficiently *until* I get to the fun bit of the road. The hardest part is having the willpower to keep the beast in its cage until I'm in a safe place. In my normal riding I get 100-110 miles range. With chargers all around town it's easy to plug in (usually free here) when popping into a store, restaurant, or even a gas station for a bladder break and a soda. The Premium version charges at 6kW. Batteries charge at full speed only when partially discharged. That last 20% takes forever so I never wait for it, only charging enough to get where I'm going. I average about 8 miles travelled for every kiloWatt charged so stopping for a 15 minute break adds about 12 miles range when I would be stopped anyway. Stopping for lunch adds quite a bit more. Nobody ever stands there waiting for it to charge to 100%. That only happens at home when your sleeping anyway. TLDR: It's different. You learn how to work with it.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Wow I didn't realise you owned one Bill - nice one...

[@michaelevans1658]

In the future someone will invent a mobile booster pack to charge your electric bike in a emergency ,when no charging points near you.

[@JLOSTAFF1]

A range of 120 miles, so presumably with heated grips, your heated jacket plugged in and driving at night with lights you might get half that - dial in a pillion to reduce it further. These bikes will always be for the few in my opinion. How are people in flats, and houses with no driveways ever going to charge them? Then there is the issue if all vehicles are electric - the national grid will never cope!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

All good points!

[@bunberrier]

When I got mine, it was obligatory to go launching up to 100 mph in short bits of road. I finally thought of a way to describe it. Its like falling, forward. You see, the rate of acceleration is nearly constant due to the on board management. When you fall, you accelerate 9.8 meters per second per second. There is no change in the rate of acceleration. So when you twist this up, some low level parts of your lizard brain think you are falling. Its up for debate how its experienced, but its not debatable that its fun. It is.

[@unkindguy88]

price category around superbikes and hypernakeds. I do not think it is worth it for NOW. Got to wait a little longer, maybe 8 more years.

[@roblawson5525]

1:58 - why would the car give way to you? You weren't at the roundabout yet!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks for watching!