Can I really Fix the UPS ARRIVAL Electric Van?

[@TylersEngineering]

Item you pointed at in the documents is top right head unit i think. “PDU” otherwise known as IO modules like the 3 stacked up front all have features/ SW so worth swapping over making sure keep the order correct between vehicles. Good luck and enjoying your videos, just a shame you didn’t have a Gamma vehicle.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Thanks for the info

[@robertlancaster5496]

Hopefully one of the old employees will see your videos and offer to help. It looks like a good idea bodywise, but simplicity in the electronics seems to have been forgotten about.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

It’s so over complicated, but hopefully someone will be able to help.

[@gryzman]

NDAs

[@Dr_Mario2007]

​​@@gryzmanTo be fair, once a company dies out, NDAs are now useless at that point since not every lawyers would bother to prop up the company that basically no longer exist, they pretty much can't afford it in this economy FUBAR. And of course we can't forget about Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

[@rjmunro]

Someone owns the rights to the technology. They could sue ex employees in theory. It's still worth trying to find people, though. I'd look on LinkedIn - there is a company page on there, with several people listed.

[@chudchadanstud]

​@@gryzman What is the company gonna do? Hire lawyers with their non-existent money?

[@andybettridge1301]

May be the hazards are flashing because you have a door open, and it's not allowing you to put it into drive

[@willj1927]

Sometimes it’s the simple things we can overlook when troubleshooting. That’s a good idea.

[@markgore3553]

Its giving him the message on the screen and his still not tried to shut the back door in all his videos. It's just an safe measure

[@Hazell_Nutz]

I have tried shutting all doors and the roller door but no luck.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Van 002 that I sold was driving with all doors open so don’t understand what’s going on

[@petermuller7687]

@@Hazell_Nutz Have you tested the door sensors? Does the message disappear when closing the doors?

[@chargeheadsuk]

Please explain the acronyms, as myself and no doubt others will be like 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️. Loving the one handed pull aparts while filming! 😂⚡️💯

[@paulappleyard5832]

Good luck. I forgot how early these vehicles were alot of the engineering was different for the Delta Vehicles that were used for trials.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Some of these must have been used for trials as well.

[@rjung_ch]

Arrival, kind of sad how so many people were on it and it just didn't deliver. Nothing worse than being so close to the finish line then go bankrupt. Now company gone, all the people working there gone, let's hope you can get those vans working, you are invested in them for some money as well. I'll be back to cheer you on!

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Am sure will get the wheels to spin one way or another. Also one of the owners of Fellten so anything I learn feeds into the bigger business.

[@troubled81]

Did you try moving the screen and computer from the race truck to the ups truck?

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Yep have tried, I think the issue is the UPS is 003 where as the race truck is 016 so quite a few things might of changed.

[@troubled81]

@Hazell_Nutz It's never the easy way. Trying to modify my model S had resulted in me having to design and make so many things lol.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

@@troubled81 about to start a new build fitting a complete model s performance into a T6 vw transporter. Going to be fun…..

[@troubled81]

@@Hazell_Nutz well I have an ever growing catalog of products for the LDU that no one but me and the wife have seen lol. Let me know if you need anything.

[@badlighting]

I know this sounds dumb, but have you tried resetting the emergency stop button? The hazard lights, combined with no drive gear makes me think the emergency stop's been pushed

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Yep we have tryed everything as spoke to a few arrival engineers. We think someone has done something at a software level to a module

[@Dr_Mario2007]

I usually can do that with just a van since I have enough hobbyist electronics design experience to actually do it properly (I had to look at both military and automotive electronics specifications, they're extremely strict given the environment electronics will be in - example - if I want software-defined traction inverters that can appropriately react to the gas pedal, it has to have a few microcontrollers that it can safely fail over to without causing any issues - safety is a huge factor in EVs), yet it's a very expensive endeavor in my honest opinion.

[@jeromeandre4915]

When in trouble... double down!! Love it!

[@Miguemely101]

Curious, they didn't try to sell you the software at auction?

[@Hazell_Nutz]

No, they are still trying to sell off all of that ip

[@dans-designs]

Have you tried the screen & HMI box from the parts van in the UPS van?

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Yep I have tryed the screen as well. The HMI boxes are noticeably different

[@AndyMcMac]

Can’t wait to see what this turns into. Keep going

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Thank you

[@jackoff8410]

Nice and easy to pull the dash apart

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Yep not to bad

[@touchere]

Had a watch of all of them now. Can't help but think your biggest hurdle with this project will be software related. When you're swapping some of these components, the new vehicle ecu may have a problem recognising them without a software reboot

[@Hazell_Nutz]

The great news is I have found someone who has hacked the software so hopefully will start moving forward very soon.

[@IlIlIlllIIlIllI]

Wow. Empty here. Can't wait to see how this turns out.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Thanks for watching

[@CristianoUK]

Is there any chance that some of these components are locked to the specific vehicle and preventing you from using them as donor parts? Like say you got a new (genuine) screen for an iPhone, sometimes your phone doesn’t accept it because it isn’t coded to your specific device

[@Hazell_Nutz]

From what I have been told this is not the case.

[@urbanstrencan]

Can't wait to see it running, you should get somehow in touch with old Arrival employee to get you some help 😊😂❤

[@Hazell_Nutz]

I am hoping the more videos I put out someone will reach out to me

[@t0pher45]

Have you tried shuttig the doors / rear door, and seeing if the hazard lights go off and it lets you put it in drive?

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Yep have tried with no luck. The odd thing is hazards come on with just the 12/24v system powered up without actually turning on the ign as such

[@davidseward1230]

Hopefully it's not too obvious but there was a message telling you the roller shutters was unlocked, could it be as simple as that? Ie won't going into drive without the roller shutters being locked.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

I have not found any way to lock it

[@davidseward1230]

​@Hazell_Nutz I would have thought there would be a sensor in the lock. You could try what I've see many a time with defective brake pad sensors, loop the wiring to complete the circuit and bypass the sensor?

[@Hazell_Nutz]

@ they are limbus unfortunately

[@CHALIS1337]

It's above your head in the cabin

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Thank you, had a few other message as well.

[@Kaan2106]

@6:16 Did you switched the display too? Since the car try to connect to the internet this flashing lights could be a anti-theft method, and prevents gear selection.. Keep up the project! Make your vids at least 10 mins long to moneytize it ♥

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Yep I have tried that as well. Apparently these older vans don’t have any anti-theft but there could have been a module deactivated so hopefully can plug in and reactivate as found someone that wants to help.

[@KD2HJP]

Have you tried this with all the doors closed?

[@Hazell_Nutz]

I have but the sliding door is not happy it keeps releasing, I swapped out the door catch but still let’s go.

[@cstoten]

Have you tried closing all the doors it might put the hazzards and brakes on automatically so it doesn't roll away when the drivers make deliveries

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Yep have tried that no change

[@bdogmccool8096]

The mid blower makes sense to heat/cool the person not the cabin for efficiency.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

It really done plus heated seats.

[@chrisisearth]

I assumed you tried with the belt clicked into it's receiver

[@Hazell_Nutz]

yep and all doors closed.

[@Swwils]

Hi, this particular van was software locked. The unlock is simple, just tap the dci screen edges in this sequence up u

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Very funny!

[@allansuayeekiat9257]

Hope to see it running soon

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Really hope so

[@allansuayeekiat9257]

@Hazell_Nutz when is the next video?

[@AntonTaylor-p7u]

is it the door at back needs to close could you not hack the software ?

[@Hazell_Nutz]

I have tried but message does not change. All the locks are lim bus controlled as well

[@planespeaking]

Waiting for the cease & desist from UPS

[@Hazell_Nutz]

They have already reached out. Are happy as long as don’t put on the road.

[@JLneonhug]

They had alot of talent in the company, unfortunately a lack of direction and consolidation. 😢

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Could not agree more

[@JLneonhug]

Without disclosing too much specifics, with the talent they had, there was alot of things which "made sense" unfortunately when it got nearer the end, they started just to slap things together. They had innovative ways of assembly (arguably too innovative), until time/money ran out. As you take things apart you will see silly things which aren't complete or bodged. These are the last 20% of the project, which normally is the most tedious ones to solve. Consider it a project vehicle. I would say, fundamentally they didn't "do wrong". A failed tesla project if you like, considering tesla nearly failed and panel gaps and other things galore. You would expect this kind of theme throughout the Arrival van. Good luck, look forward to the updates. Edit: Ha! Joe's really important stuff... Joe was the technical engineering lead (the guru, nearly the technical founder). Very good detailed guy, but way too many hats. I'm sure he lost a few years from his life with Arrival 😅

[@Hazell_Nutz]

@ thank you for your response

[@namenotshown9277]

maybe some software that diagnoses the issue via the screen

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Might of found some hopping in January will get help

[@paulcoinc]

What if you swapped the unit and screen out together? I have no idea, and this is probably a dumb suggestion.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

I did try the screen from the other van as well.

[@alicemurray1941]

did you try closing the rear door shutter? maybe wont go into gear as a safety feature and explain hazzards? noticed shutter door open came up on screen.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

When closed still says rear roller not locked. What I do t understand is why the hazard lights are always on

[@mechsmantg]

​​@@Hazell_Nutzmaybe an automatic thing for the vehicle. It assumes that if you're stationary with the doors open (or what it thinks are open) and with the van on, it assumes you are pulled over and delivering, so likely parked somewhat dodgy/at the side of the road/in the traffic flow, so chucking the hazards on increases the visibility to other traffic. It therefore won't go into drive because the load doors aren't closed/locked (or it thinks they aren't). Can you borrow a sensor off the parts van?

[@Hazell_Nutz]

@ thing is van 002 and 016 both do not do this and drive with all doors open. This is van003

[@davidseward1230]

Is there no way you could trick the switch?

[@Hazell_Nutz]

I am going to try, but they have these touch sensitive door openers no handles and they might be playing up

[@hunter9521]

Has it got an OBD Chris? Otherwise can you pull a log from the CAN

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Yes I have found an obd but do not have the canbus dbc

[@skater1191]

Finally another EV van video

[@Hazell_Nutz]

I am trying to do one per month. Also plan on starting another van building next year. Plan is complete model 3 taken to parts and fitted into a VW transporter T5/T6 independent ev conversion video series

[@jvoric]

Oh well… LS it & go racing! 😂😂

[@jeromeandre4915]

tempting....

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Did think about that but there is not really enough space

[@artlandmarknyc]

I would put LS3 OR LS7 Drive in it and call it a day lol.. converted into a 1000hp mobile home and enjoy

[@Hazell_Nutz]

😂 issue is the chassis is not designed for an engine

[@namenotshown9277]

get a camera that goes onto your chest so your handsfree, there are harnesses you can get will make life alot easier

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Will do

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Also thought about those glasses with camera built in

[@namenotshown9277]

@@Hazell_Nutz yeah maybe better still if quality ok

[@martinbeaumont1135]

Love watching this series, lets hope former Arrival employees can assist :crossed_fingers:

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Really hope so

[@viacheslavserdiuk5804]

All Arrival employees signed off NDA. Sorry, but we are legally not allowed to help.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

@ has that not now changed as the company has just made all employees redundant and shut down?

[@martinbeaumont1135]

Surely any NDA is null and void given the legal entity that it applied to is no more. That entity doesn’t exist to sue an employee who signed the NDA is the reverse way of looking at it, unless all the IP was sold on?

[@Hazell_Nutz]

@ I don’t think ip was sold and the UPS van is an old model

[@ZA26]

So the EV vans of the future are not going to be manufactured in the UK

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Correct but what is actually manufactured in the uk any more 😂

[@ianb2560]

Looks like there is an immobiliser stopping the delivery van being stolen while the door is open and the driver is away from the van. It likely has automatic hazzards when the van stops to make a delivery.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

There is definitely something like that at play. Hopefully someone from arrival can help

[@bdogmccool8096]

I'd imagine it's been software locked.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

I think so

[@Stuntman707]

The complexity of this thing is so absurd. Quite a reflection of the chaotic management this company had from the stories I’ve heard. Spent a fortune, no BOM control, designed modules above hazardous voltage at cell level and never finished a single project.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Yep that’s the exact story I have heard as well. Making a few mistakes is normal but just the fact the 400v modules made it into production is shocking. Then there is the use of PDUs everywhere I think there must be 15 in the van.

[@MrAkagrim]

BMW wont let you change gear if door open on automatics. All safety. Tey bypassing all the sensors.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

As it’s an early prototype you would have thought simple was best.

[@MrAkagrim]

@Hazell_Nutz wishful thinking hahaha. Big heavy paper weight ya got there

[@Hazell_Nutz]

@@MrAkagrim yep I think so. But does look cool.

[@Wootts007]

Ls swap!!😂

[@Hazell_Nutz]

It’s been considered 😂

[@WERKSTATT77]

Get a tripod or clamp on fixed camera points please! I’m gonna barf watching this shaky wagon ride

[@Hazell_Nutz]

If you have watch previous videos you will see normally I have a camera person but this time knowing was available sorry.

[@WERKSTATT77]

@@Hazell_Nutz yeah I get it and thanks for putting out a video.

[@papak5558]

5:57 Мы не знаем, что это такое, если бы мы знали, что это такое.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

What is it?

[@papak5558]

​@@Hazell_Nutz мем

[@markmelb5732]

Engineered to be nigh on impossible to work on. No wonder they failed with ideas like that.

[@patreekotime4578]

These are literally beta vehicles. They are platforms for experiementation, not for user serviceabillity without a manual.

[@markmelb5732]

@@patreekotime4578 Exactly the point. This is a vehicle that is being constantly evolved and yet they buried the operating electronics so it was a pain in the arse to get to. Shit engineering.

[@patreekotime4578]

@@markmelb5732 Clearly, they didn't NEED to replace any of these components. It's highly likely that just about every vehicle they built had slightly different components and electronics tweaked to work with those specific components. This whole 'hot swapping' idea will likely NEVER fully work because of that, unless they can match up the specific components. Heck, he admits he doesn't even know what these random modules specifically doing, or what impact they will have. I could swap around a dozen different little controller modules in my very well documented car and never fix an underlying fault... in fact, swapping around modules from different iterations could potentially introduce NEW faults. Especially when there are 11 iterations between one and the other. There's no guarantee that those same wiring harnesses connect to the same things at all. So he's actually pretty lucky that it didn't get worse. And by the time they were actually ready for production, my guess is that there would have been a whole series of packaging changes required for serviceability. Elon Musk blows up his prototypes and everyone has high praise for it. These guys retire them to a back lot and you want to be fussy about it. Same-same. Built. Test. Iterate. Repeat. We've never seen Tesla or Rivian or Lucid test mules so we literally have nothing to compare these to. My guess is that packaging in prototype vehicles is almost ALWAYS an absolute mess and things are just put where-ever they fit and serviceability is figured out later.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

There are so many things on this van that should have never got this fare. Having designed, developed and manufactured complete ev systems this thing is not good. If you have seen my videos about the battery packs they were always going to fail, so over complicated and expensive. The components are all well engineered but clearly the over all management was the big issue. I have been checking pin outs before plugging things in and the reason I am not swapping over any of the PDU’s is because they could be programmed differently.

[@ryanngalea]

You need a software guy.

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Yes I really do

[@KD2HJP]

THIS IS EXACTLY MY KIND OF PROJECT..You hiring an inquisitive American?

[@Hazell_Nutz]

Not at the moment

[@ianbedwell4871]

Well you have put me off electric vehicles.. back to a Morris Minor.. least I can fix them.l😊

[@GustavBrogren]

I guess it is more of an issue of modern vehicles, rather than electric ones.

[@MrAdopado]

Even a Fiesta has these kind of issues! (Don't ask me how I know.)

[@Hazell_Nutz]

I work on a lot of electric vehicle and have no issues. Also repairing Tesla’s is easy the big problem here is the big reason Arrival went bust! To complicated.

[@viacheslavserdiuk5804]

We are under NDA =) Help is prohibited =)

[@Hazell_Nutz]

As the company is now gone I think it still stands.

[@sirthompson8080]

В вас пропал дух авантюризма, коллега :)