ROTARY ATF Trick To HELP Fix Mazda 13B Rx8 Compression

ROTARY ATF Trick To HELP Fix Mazda 13B Rx8 Compression
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[@TIPh0enix]

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[@danielmagnusify]

You guys rock! Really sorry to hear about your Mum, have been through the same with both my mum and Dad. Feel for you both, keep up the amazing content!

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

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[@YakuzaWAFD]

@@ZeroTo60Tube probably have better luck hiring out the hoist.

[@chrisrobles2012]

I just saw this 😆. I was wondering where you saw it at in the video. Then finally it came up.

[@uisperfectemail9720]

@@ZeroTo60Tube 😂 Carbon monoxide therapy

[@Meatcleaver101]

You should ask her to model some merch for the Ladies who watch your vlogs.. The ladies are the one's who love to buy clothes more than men do..

[@marcopreto]

Thanks for all the videos! As an engine alternative, I do not know if CLR Motorsports ever completed their conversion kit for installing a 13B (from an FD for example) on the RX-8. That way you would keep it a rotary! Cheers

[@BroomysGarage]

The housings will be worn, no amount of ATF or 2 stroke oil down its throat will fix it. Second hand engines will also have worn housings and high stakes poker gamble on if they are useable. Your other issue here is that it looks like it has a broken or completely stuck corner seal or side seal which is why you are getting comp reading high one one face, then lower on two faces. Engine needs to be torn down and rebuilt.

[@lpvgs-817]

the rx8 is a sweet chassis very rigid and balanced!

[@chrisrobles2012]

That’s a pretty good smoke machine and that was a nice exit from the stage.

[@Thewhitepearlfocus]

Some people in the UK scrap the engine and put a ford focus st170 engine in with a conversion plate and a stand alone ECU. You can easily turbo these engines. The only reason we do this in the UK is mostly all small fast kit cars run a rx-8 gearbox. I'm sure the st170 engine is used in Australia. Zetec engine.

[@darkfieldcarnivore3928]

Wankel himself just rolled over in his grave at the mere suggestion.

[@BrianandMoe]

Enjoyed the video!

[@HoriKustomz]

Holding the throttle to the floor on start up disables the fuel supply, that's why he suggested it, and I'd imagine the plugs are terribly fouled from the ATF fluid as you haven't mentioned changing them.

[@ericharrell9898]

I've never had a Mazda RX8 but on my RX7 I had to put it in 2nd gear, clutch to the floor, out of habit I would pull the gear shift in tight towards me while in 2nd and it fired up almost every time.

[@Micjoh]

Amazed that it started at all with those numbers. Uneven numbers on 3 faces means side or corner seals.

[@frankalarcon635]

Ha Ha this reminds me of the old 10A in the R100. To start it I use to pour a bit oil down the carby and it would fire up straight away! Followed by the smoke show lol

[@the.half.awakened]

I will say i like your more scientific approach and presentation of what you did to the car and the results of it.

[@sheldonarthur4754]

A trick that works use piston plugs to start after deflooding sequence, get engine hot then switch fresh new rotary plugs and you good.

[@davidcardozo7475]

Hello friend where exactly di you pour the oil. English is not my first lengague I didn't understand were do you pour the oil.

[@BUTTERSOCRAZY]

ENGINE IS spinning way to slow it sounds so Other option is try the upgraded high speed starter , its amazing how fast it spins the engine. love yr vids fellas keep pushing

[@benheynen2705]

You really got to get out and drive it. The seals jam and they need heat and flow and vibration / force to get them moving. Getting it hot free revving does not work. Call a dyno shop who plays with rotaries who will tell you the same. It won't be an apex as you don't have low pairs of compressions, it's gonna be a side seal. Get it out on the road and try!

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I love the optimism. haha

[@benheynen2705]

@@ZeroTo60Tube If it wasn't for the exact experience of having the same thing happen and then tearing it down to find nothing I wouldn't be saying! The loads of free revving in the driveway are nothing compared to driving it. What's the harm in taking it for a thrash up and down the street from cold? Get a couple of skids in on cam too! Of course we all understand that the "street is in" "Mexico" ""!

[@qstas1312]

@@ZeroTo60Tube It is true..Also in my car(which was in no movement for almost 8 months)as i drive it every day it became better and better...The guy who sell it to me(1000€ only)he said that the car not start hot(and for that reason the low price)and the car has nothing!!!It starts instantly hot and cold...What i did???I filled the tank with 100 octane fuel for some times and i add inside 3 times fuel-engine-injection cleaner...After that i rev it until red line all the time...The car has compression of 6,8-7...Worth try it...Greetings from Greece...

[@igotaction]

@@benheynen2705 you guys say that Mexico shit too? You would think foreign leaders would be calling President AMLO to tell him about his drag racing problem in his country😂😂😂😂

[@pugs1377]

@@ZeroTo60Tube got to get a load on that turkey. A half hour or beating the snot out of it will get you going. If the rotor housings were bad all numbers would be low. You have one stuck apex seals on the front rotor. Burnouts and down shifting are what. Needs to happen to get that carbon out

[@rotomon]

Id try a newer starter since they turn faster rpm which can solve hot start issues.

[@gregcowart8229]

Put some BG valve cleaner in it I used it to clean my valves on my e93 to clean the valves, good shit melts the carbon . Got it off ebay

[@mattstyles2498]

Sounds helpful but also sound this was an experiment that happened to get results.

[@1993kawasaki]

when you get a replacement rotary engine you might want to premix the fuel like 2 stroke, EFI start-ups are really dry on the rotor and there is no apex seal lube in unleaded fuel, thats where the premix comes into it. ;)

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Yes, our mate who eat sleeps and breathes them, said the same thing. Plus it smells awesome....

[@davidstevenson1211]

That's interesting the guy at mazfix who builds and races rotary's recommends against pre mixing he says it cause carbon build up and he said the whole pre mixing thing was an internet thing ???

[@paulsimpson8990]

@@ZeroTo60Tube I use my old castor based synthetic karting oil in my mower and whipper snipped because I’m still addicted to the smell

[@Jaredscott89]

@@ZeroTo60Tube Standard cars have an oil metering pump (OMP) which adds oil to fuel. As below, MAZFIX and other big builders dont really bother to pre-mix on these cars.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I wonder if the shops don't recommend it as its too easy for someone to mess up, or forget. The oil metering pump is by far the safest way to let a muppet be in charge of the oil in his engine. At the end of the day its dirty sump oil. Can it be anywhere near as good 2 stroke oil in the combustion chamber?

[@ilesoft82]

How about as a last effort try the carbon solving liquid ppl use to clean out intakes of direct injected engines? And let it soak one seal for at least a couple of hours before turning the engine over third of a turn.

[@azgard8914]

Please help me…..iv got a 2008 with only 40k miles on….I changed the battery after leaving it parked up for 7years it started straight away and now steering is a bit stiffer turning right but fine tuning left……do I need a reset from a main computer…..or can I try something myself….iv done the turn left turn right with ignition to on……HELP

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Lower than 45psi?

[@DarkSparta89]

I don't know if you've fixed the problem or got rid of the car or anything yet I kind of quickly glanced that like the first 25 messages and didn't see anybody say this after you do that automatic transmission fluid clean out you are supposed to replace the spark plugs and coil packs because it burns them out it instantly burns them out after that initial startup

[@robbiwright3517]

Hey guys , wish you had a better result with this one. Really enjoyed this video , good range of content :) ive had 5 rotaries? And yes labours of love lol . Dare i say, throw a 13b turbo in it lol

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

We would really love a proper 13b turbo........ one day. One day.

[@ephraimspencer6292]

How many miles does a 13b rotary usually go with a turbo?

[@mirokulsj]

Get the bg epr great product

[@g.wes.3906]

Marvel mystery oil? I put that thing in all my motors it's really a mystery how it's so good.

[@josezuma2116]

Just turbo it! You will get fun with it, cheaper than a swap and since you have the chance to rebuild it, just use the proper parts and you should be good for up to 400whp safely.

[@redlinenissan372]

Very strange I did my Rx8 compression test myself and I got lower values then you and it can start up hot all day long and I have had no issues not even with the idle.

[@Roberto-vm2rl]

Put some AT-205 Re-Seal in the oil... and some Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant in the fuel... and then drive it.

[@gavinbranks9570]

Go the 3 rotor option or maybe 4 its not that complex.

[@Bluepower20vt]

hot start with a disconnected crank sensor?? when you cold started it, was the crank sensor already disconnected then too?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

No it wouldn’t start at all of the crank sensor is disconnected. These rely on them for spark timing

[@poogzie]

Hi where a bouts in Australia r u have rx8 took top plug out had small frags of metal cant seem to get it going, any suggestions would be appreciated.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Queensland. If it won’t start it’s like low on comp. Meaning it’s cooked.

[@fredyounes1279]

You could have had a large blower fan/air mover to clear the smoke and cool things down. why didnt you roll up the windows instead of introducing all of that vaporized transmission oil into the cabin???

[@rx4mandude]

That trailing rotor is just barely keeping the engine running with those low compression numbers especially on the front rotor . Not surprised it doesn’t hot start & would be down on power regardless

[@SW20Turbo]

I don’t think you just have a problem with apex seals, I think you have a problem with the coolant seals. That smoke is inductive of a coolant seal failure. They’re like a head gasket, but for a rotary. The issue could be also be compression, but internal water leakage will prevent proper combustion.

[@uselessoutdoorsman2826]

Probabaly from the ATF eating the seals.

[@stephenr1999]

@@uselessoutdoorsman2826 what kind of seals would atf eat?

[@uselessoutdoorsman2826]

@@stephenr1999 water seals in this case, do a bit of research into it... I no longer use it to clean my rota 👌

[@theaussienurseflipper.8113]

Castor oil help with compression cheers Graham

[@the.half.awakened]

Trying to deflood mine for months. I have found it always fires with just a tiny spray of starting fluid. As soon as its burned it stops. But of course the stall causes a flood again. Been cranking without fuel and without plugs for days to get rid of misty spray. Day 4 of cranking, still has some mist though not as bad.

[@AJZulu]

Okay. I think you might have a fuel pump issue. You claim in the comment that it starts up with starter fluid, that means it just needs fuel. Why else would it not start? Pump is my first point to look at. Does fuel run in the line when the starter is engaged? By that it could mean the pump solenoid is busted in the fuse box.

[@williamreilly8520]

I shot a few oz. Of pb blaster and carb cleaner into my brake booster hose.It wouldnt start before.Now it fires easy and runs decent but one rotor is still not perfect and it will start to miss at extended idle.Im tempted to shoot it some more but i can drive it and i dont want to lose that

[@br4d101]

I honestly think you’ve got to do a fat burn out in it all the way up the road to give it a good send off n generally rag the hell out of it, then k swap with a turbo! I like rx8s but not the engines! When my mate had one every time he stopped it he would hold it flat out n turn the key off otherwise it wouldn’t start again!

[@fredyounes1279]

Also why didnt you roll it outside before starting it since you knew it would smoke like a chimney???

[@jay-cee4499]

Put your old N54 motor in there😂😂😂

[@2bad83]

Hey Dude, The Apex seals have worn out. Would be a good video seeing you take that rotary engine apart. Apparently it’s not so bad I have a mechanic here who says Apex seals are 101% worn...

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Yeah pretty safe bet based on the comp test being that low.

[@chrisrobles2012]

How about a k series swap? Throw on a small turbo and it will be fun.

[@danielcudicio4100]

I was thinking the same thing. I bought a complete k24 for $850 and ran just headers. Made 198whp.

[@JOJO3jrizzyboy]

HEY 👋 can you help me out, I REALLY want an RX-8 but the ones that I find don’t start due to compression but I don’t want to buy one and dump 2-5k into in if you don’t think it’ll be worth it !

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

You really need to spend top dollar to get a good one. There is no such thing as a cheap RX8. If its cheap its broken.

[@samjohnson7325]

I wonder how good that Australian Knockoff Marvel Mystery Oil is. 😂

[@Jaredscott89]

Swap a BMW diesel into it or a Mazda 3 MPS motor. Either would be pretty cool.

[@cloroxbleach69493]

Change the leading + trailing spark plugs Upgrade to the Hitachi Ignition coils Upgrade to a 2KW starter

[@Al-of3zp]

Just get it out on the road with a trade plate, honestly it should come good

[@AzrilNazliAlias]

Try use lowest RON rating available, cause they will be easier to combust

[@TheAzimvs]

Compression above 6 is good engine

[@fredyounes1279]

Why didnt you just disco-nnect the exhaust rather than introduce ounces of oil into the system and catalyst??

[@JulianValentini]

There are swap kits to install the lfx dohc v6 from chevy in that things... forget the rotary.

[@Jaredscott89]

Why would you bother though? The cost would be comparable to any LSx install and be worse in every way.

[@JulianValentini]

@@Jaredscott89 because afaik you can reuse the trans, and in an LS swap you need trans driveshaft diff and axles.

[@Jaredscott89]

@@JulianValentini LS swap doesn't need a diff or axles... Its just an LSx of your choosing with pretty much are T56/TR style trans. They are plentiful. LSx is the same weight as the LFX V6, but with the mass closer to the firewall and carried lower. Drives like a 13b just with shit loads of power. The V6 carries its weight further forward and higher, upsets the balance of the vehicle. Which is the point is buying an RX8 in the first place.

[@JulianValentini]

@@Jaredscott89 good to know. Thing is I dont know about kits for ls (even tho must be plenty) but I do know about lfx, so that’s why I recommended it.

[@conconstantinou2890]

Have you tried contacting pac performance they are rotary gurus for any tips

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

No no, i dont wanna just annoy a shop and take up their time.

[@johannyrodriguez5730]

@@ZeroTo60Tube its their forte why would they get annoyed it's worth a call and see what they say

[@uisperfectemail9720]

@@ZeroTo60Tube we are willing to follow you down the learning path ✊🏻

[@chrismiltiadous4026]

Use amatech oil

[@duncanpoundcake]

ATF is a useful trick if you flood your engine and wash the oil from thecseals away.

[@jasonskinner1652]

Need to do a proper italian tune up before you strip it. Side seal might come good, you never know!

[@paulsimpson8990]

Those compression figures suggest it’s toast. Perhaps add a compression replacement device......

[@tighematthew]

I might have a engine swap for it 👍

[@brendanrandle]

should ecotec swap it just to upset everyone

[@She1lby]

128 degrees? o_O most people believe that 104 is already starting to be bad

[@fullboost]

*You know what you gotta do.....**#LSTHEWORLD** 😀*

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I dunno, something about a reliable torquey engine just doesn't seem right....... haha We partly blame our love of rotaries on some of your vids btw :P

[@docgramps1]

Yeah man, watch the paint, it's factory mint :D

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

The hoist was just a little higher than i would have liked, which in turn put my all out of wack with balance..... i would have cried if i did that to any of the BMWs.....

[@uisperfectemail9720]

@@ZeroTo60Tube I thought “damn that panel is now done if it wasn’t before” and then you said “how many times?”

[@InstaltechCarAudio]

Saab turbo engine

[@rotorshed4115]

Your ATF would have only soaked one apex seal on each rotor. That said i dont reckon ATF will fix it. Engine rebuild will take 2 days max so wouldnt risk by another "good" engine. Can we have a close up of how the rowing machine works? haha

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I didn’t mention it but we did put about 10 lots of oil in, cranking it between each lot. It’s still luck if you get every seal. I had very slim expectations of this working, but people suggested it so we did it.

[@jtee7344]

#PacPerformance 👍

[@captaingingerbeard155]

Hit up Matt Berry on KZbin he has built a twin engine starlet and use to work at maztech

[@StratoJohn]

The rotary design is so cool but the reliability .. Such a shame

[@marcwright9139]

N54 swap it you already have one building

[@Hyngyynj]

Take it off roading, or fill it full of ky jelly and see how it likes that

[@pmd7771969]

It needs an overhaul.

[@HassanEido1]

Renesis nemesis

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

It’s a bit like that hey. Have you ever tuned them? Any love for a older turbo motors?

[@HassanEido1]

@@ZeroTo60Tube not a lot of dorito engines over here sadly, haven't done much to those

[@carlosbarrera6348]

Premix the fuel

[@rocketsmall4547]

this is how mazda gets people to buy more starters

[@joshuaeacott4226]

BARRA THE RX8 :P

[@kenrossaukrsa]

Rotary engines- no hot start= Apex seals, case closed , no cheap quick fixes unfortunately p

[@TML34]

Is this project just so you can trick your mind into thinking the N54 is reliable? Because the N54 is basically a Toyota Camry compared to this pile. 😅

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Hahahah you nailed our train of thought on this one.

[@davidstevenson1211]

3rz swap!!!

[@Saif0412]

Love the enthusiasm and I'd like to see it running guys, but why do feel like its just gonna drain your wallets 😣

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

It’s a car, it going to drain the wallets either way haha

[@Saif0412]

@@ZeroTo60Tube that's true 😂

[@kouki_integra]

K24 swap

[@arthurbirt2094]

Ls swap and get some real power.

[@PtcjNoble]

First again

[@raceace]

:( That dog wont hunt!!

[@miguelcampa7036]

😂

[@DakotaWebber]

How to fix broken rx8: buy bag of Doritos, throw bag in engine bay, ????, profit

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

haha next on the list to try. Do they have to be name brand doritos or will the aldi ones work as well?