Moist Under Fire After Allegedly Stream Sniping in Scrims

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[@scottsland99]

Coaches have been talking to players during scrims for ages. This isn't against any rules (outside of algs games proper obvs). Stream sniping on the other hand...

[@MakeMeWhite19]

nah coaches are not aloud to speak during scrims, I don't ever see this. It needs to be a one week ban or punishable.

[@natwe]

This.

[@JohnJohn-bz1lq]

He’s confusing it with ALGS because in ALGS and pro league, it’s illegal

[@tristanlwkns]

​@@JohnJohn-bz1lqYeah they probably just mean competitive matches where there's something at stake in general. Stream sniping in scrims is kinda sad though, and I support Moist..

[@jeremymunoz2384]

Both teams streamsniped tho

[@drfreshest509]

I guess Timmy's game freezing was karma lmao

[@johnnysilver5866]

100%

[@whynot5783]

Wait but how, originally I heard them flying from the jump tower there is an easy rotation for other team which they took, it can be expected from the other team that they would land there is my judgment wrong or am I bad at the game cause even if there coach was stream sniping that I would have said to do what they did (and there in scrims not agls) coaches can tell the the playes the play styles and rotations of other players

[@whynot5783]

​@johnnysilver5866 look I could be wrong but from my point of view there was no problem (it's prediction) and when Timmy started to freeze it was over

[@jeffreycasas9498]

@@whynot5783 even if you are right the coach still talked in game giving them information, thats not allowed.

[@ahmedjaouadi6095]

@@jeffreycasas9498 In scrims its allowed

[@mohamedrafik9271]

Coaches can talk to their players in scrims, but stream sniping is illegal.

[@lookatthem3216]

bros comparing potatoes to tomatoes

[@beerdo]

​@@lookatthem3216potatoes to tornadoes

[@ryan555.3]

Illegal? It’s against the rules but it sure as fuck isn’t illegal

[@PtKroozin]

@@ryan555.3don’t think he means within the confines of the U.S. court system, something can be deemed illegal in any sport/esport meaning it’s an automatic DQ.

[@sepianights6707]

@@ryan555.3 1. {Illegal} contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law. 2.{LAW} the system of rules which a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and which it may enforce by the imposition of penalties. for soft brains like you it means people in a community decides what is right or wrong.

[@iitschilly6969]

For some it's just a bunch of streamers having fun. In reality, it's their job and this is serious, regardless of who's in the team.

[@1944xinren]

There used to be a Chinese team that streamed snip in scrims. Their team issued a public apology, but still lost almost all their sponsors.

[@bmm5006]

Time heals and people eventually stop caring as much

[@SnowStreets]

@@bmm5006 People but not companies, sponsors don't forgive that easy

[@Valkyrae123]

@@bmm5006 you are completely wrong lol

[@ReasonMakes]

@@bmm5006 I sure hope we don't stop caring about competitive integrity.

[@bertuj]

timmys face after his game froze and unfroze and he died in huge lag was so funny xD

[@tomwebster5348]

It’s not even just telling them - waltzy then says ‘going sky easy? where did they land?’ 😂

[@saucegardner6467]

Stream sniping is indefensible. But for whatever reason I feel like blaming Raven 😂

[@calcilite5334]

Yeah I get that, Raven is fucking so cringe.

[@sparkyenergia]

Raven somehow always finds a way of being annoying.

[@roguethemachine3928]

@@sparkyenergia that what happens when a 5 years old never grow up in maturity it becomes raven

[@smitty_werben_jagermanjensen]

thank you for the contest.

[@mattlao3460]

bro had the multistream OPEN 😂

[@Rice--0]

i love how everyone think its okay because it was timmy team now imagine if this was hal or sweet teams💀 there will be hundred of videos, hundred of twitter post from unrelated apex creator, noko spending an hour discussing it(the worst of all)

[@sojmike4761]

If it was hal ..there would be hundreds of comments..but it's ok because it's Timmy..lol

[@OfArgento]

Not really. Zero teamed with sweet like a week or two ago and nobody cared. It's scrims

[@allgood9912]

Are we seeing the same comments ? Ive only seen a few take timmys side, you making it sound like theyre applauding him😭😭

[@WowNiko]

Was thinking the same

[@PtKroozin]

think you missed the whole point. anybody supporting moist through this, is most likely thinking bleed is wasting time and trying to prove a point doing this goofy shit in scrims when they wouldn’t dare do it on actual game day

[@jr5296]

That same coach was trolling on a reddit thread about this incident.

[@whyno7035]

It seems to me it’s a reasonable assumption they’re going sky east if they don’t show up at tunnel.

[@curtisdc312]

Right, I'm surprised no one else seems to realize that. They planned their strat to challenge bleed, they didn't show up to tunnel coach made an accurate assumption that they went sky east instead. So moist headed back out the tunnel and seen bleed landing at sky east.

[@amusedhermit4672]

giving coms on another teams is never ok.

[@facemanfu1610]

Its the fastest karma in my life 🤣

[@johnli7818]

looks like the new patch has issue with people keep getting tap out of the game. my mate also has the same issue. especially who uses multiple language input. the input will tap them out

[@ogballer1954]

Wait so , how did they know to take the balloon and fly sky east too?

[@nightlybluez]

They got info that shouldn't have been communicated, timmy froze and they lost. Karma. Lets move on, this isnt going to happen on LAN.

[@jd4317]

But it could happen during pro league, which is the worry.

[@Roy_Right]

@@jd4317Pro League streams are on a 10 minute delay

[@dzt4253]

10 min delay during PL games​@@jd4317

[@PepsNotAHero]

@@jd4317 It can´t, all of them have a 10 min delay in their streams

[@hoangDo-jh2eg]

Can't they just watch the mainstream for info during pro league.

[@JOE808AG]

What are the odds that the game NotMoist choose to contest tunnel, Bleed goes Sky East???? Shit is mad funny lol

[@Zanputh]

hahaha they actually thought they won that xd

[@giangiang]

Love this new beef lol.. makes me want to watch Bleed and Moist more. haha

[@TJzWayy]

Not much of a beef lol they can’t compete with Moist. Gild and Timmy better than anybody on that team.

[@sanjaysanj5603]

@@TJzWayy thats why moist is down to the bottom and is basically already out of lan and bleed is 5th right?

[@KalexVII]

Coming into this being no fan of either team, both teams are cringe but the stream sniping is braindead. As a coach you should never talk about whats happening in game or make suggestions.

[@nonyabusiness31]

You could see Timmy's face when he heard the blatant self report, he would have been thinking, why tf would you say that out loud...

[@rJealous]

Coaches talking to the team has never been illegal lmao

[@sparkyenergia]

@@rJealous But stream sniping is. As a Moist supporter this is disappointing. I hope it doesn't end their ALGS campaign.

[@rJealous]

@@sparkyenergia i was responding to the “never talk about what’s happening in game or make suggestions” the stream sniping is obv cringe

[@KalexVII]

@@rJealous So you're trying to say that stream sniping is bad, as we agree, but talking to the players about what other teams are doing and making suggestions has never been ''illegal'', as you put it. What? that's contradictory. Telling your team what other teams are doing live in the same match is literally stream sniping, no matter how far the team is. I never said Coaches just talking is bad, it isn't. Falcons coach talks in games but its always to questions out of game or what happened last match. Raven did that also but less.

[@allgood9912]

Imagine the bleed squad if they had anyother PC igl, actually a nutty squad .

[@alecride]

It's scrims, most likely they both watched each other for insight

[@mrk1mchi]

I guess they were trying to test a new strat? but if a coach has to tell u where the other team is, then it’s prob not good lol

[@user-dt4xz5ef2f]

That’s a 1 week ban minimum bro

[@EasyMac200]

My favorite part of this is dropped's team sitting there talking smack for the rest of their game, and then getting upset when they get told that they aren't a threat on game day. They probably won't be cause theyre so worried about "claiming" all these areas lmao. Take the 50/50 tho, keen to see Timmy and the boys at LAN.

[@Chicken_Gum]

if a future cc team blatantly stream snipes they better not get a consequence if moist gets away with this

[@ryN50]

Coaches shouldnt talk in game at all 🤣🤣

[@casscastellano1902]

Battle of the nerds

[@MercurialV7]

Draugr a bihhhh for that

[@brap_brap_]

is it just me or does it seem entirely plausible for the coach to assume they’re pulling a fast one and rotate to sky east off drop?

[@thriffty3730]

in my opinion although it was a shitty thing to do it just isn't that deep because its scrims. however there is also the point that competitive competition should have integrity so the coach should at least get a ban for the week after all he is the one that relayed the information.

[@jusophone]

Scrims or not this is not ok

[@Dynoqwerty]

If anything the coach should get banned not the team

[@donfavio]

Yeah really sus moment wtf

[@noksss3546]

TBF wtf are they doing, they wont be doing that in tournaments so why int in scrims

Dont miss Ravens voice at all. 😅

[@detoxive8903]

Feelsbad for Timmy lmao. I bet Moist is also wonder wtf is wrong with their coach. Like he is actually mental for that LOL

[@realghostofdreams]

Wxltzy came into Dropped's stream and said you can tell Minustempo but he won't care, but if he decides to do something [punishment, I assume], fair Almost verbatim. Dropped is ticked obviously, and it does compromise a match supposedly meant to simulate ALGS tourneys, but I have the inkling that Dropped understands that streamsniping coaches is tough to prohibit in scrims and that it is prevalent. My hope is that there is some repercussion on this. Sadly, I can recognize how this probably doesn't solve streamsnipers in scrims, because they can choose to communicate off-streams, but it will deter it.

[@ryN50]

thats funny🤣🤣

[@scubaseppy]

Maybe since they were not in the tunnel he guessed where they were?

[@justinhall6529]

he literally talked while game was going on as the coach and said exactly where they were going get off timmy dick

[@justinhall6529]

no one actually playing said where they were but the coach somehow knows????? you have 0 sight and dick ride

[@haral91]

it is an ego war though.

[@djatlasmusik]

BOTH TEAMS DID IT!!!!!!!!!!

[@Havok.93]

It is funny, though, to see one knocked and the other two 1HP and then act like they easily won the fight, when it was a 2v3

[@davorsafranko8657]

Ban from scrim

[@mattatzingen1786]

Coaches giving information mid-game is super cringe.

[@apexlegendsgamer_YT]

Man why have ea just left this game to rot?

[@WafelixRox]

You serious or just ultimately good at trolling??

[@lenk1432]

@@WafelixRox 0 fixes, only releasing overpriced skins, they are milking this game dry until it dies

[@ThunderBlastvideo]

their coach needs to be benched

[@zenibas_seal]

both pull this stupid strat and then wonder why in lan they won’t make winners backet 😂

[@fightingsloth]

Stream snipers fighting stream snipers. Trash vs trash.

[@ImmADeal]

Yeaaaaah this isnt a good look on either part and something should be said or done about it, especially if its this blatant. Whether it be a day or two ban from scrims, or something.

[@Dboii17]

In the hood we say "Ball Don't lie...." that's what happens when u cheese 😂gg obviously it's scrims so its funny soo yeah

[@natehollings]

they would have to run it back without timmy's game rubberbanding for an actual ball don't lie

[@angelsaucedo2231]

Lmao banned by who? Oversight

[@MuchSauce]

I wonder how long till dropped gets dropped again and needs a new team. Shooby gonna get tired of carrying him

[@JustinNard]

Can’t stand him. He passively acts like he’s the shit and the ways he talks shit is cringe.

[@EliotUchiha]

Not that serious.

[@TheDJDi3go]

i´ve seen some chatters in Timmys stream that say "that is TSM" for example, and they dont ban those messages sometimes 🤔

[@saucykb4758]

In ALGs there is a 10 min delay so it doesn’t matter

[@Havok.93]

Inexcusable, but honestly, Bleeds attitude makes me not even mind.

[@faded1366]

2:52 can we mute is sus asf tbf

[@ExodiaO8E]

They do it after or before every game for last few weeks tbh even before timmy was on the team. Just like TSM did with Raven and Hal. Moist does have a overly meta playing style

[@robertoronquillo2817]

@@ExodiaO8Emakes sense 💯

[@tommymoua3274]

Moist coach should definitely be suspended for some time

[@xReisk]

I still dont get why coaches need to be on matches until the very end were they think its ok to leave... It should be mandatory for them to quit as soon as the match start even if its scrims.

[@reubenmcmurray4377]

I dunno why teams have to shittalk other teams they killed. If Moist is bad then 95% of the ALGS teams must be trash.

[@Holosightz]

Scrims aren't that serious. This just shows 90% of this comment section has NEVER done anything competitive in esports throughout their lives. Literally.... just a bunch of gaslighting. There's no "Official Ruleset" in scrims. There's what most folks know as a "gentleman's agreement". It's frowned upon yes, but all of you trying to say "oh it's because timmy" blah blah blah - the ruleset is on the website - knock yourself out. Why do you think a bunch of ringing occurs during scrims? Tired of this generation constantly trying to shame, discredit or cancel people.

[@glucky9970]

Yall taking this too seriously ea respawn can’t even give yall a good lan without issues lol

[@timh4449]

Yeah Bro Talk about Contest strat with Stream unmuted. Dumbest Thing ive seen

[@beerdo]

timmy sitting there and trying to tell moist coach that he wants to push the 3 pills is why he kept throwing his life on disguised and pissing off dezign. 🤣

[@vicw4522]

If you ain't cheating you ain't trying 🤓

[@Tankchanka911]

Absolute joke of a team. Stream snipes then has the gull to talk shit. Caught in 4k buddy

[@rwagingsloth9528]

by no means do i wanna sound like im defending Moist, but....why did they say "im not leaking shit I'm muted". i almost wanna say they were stream sniping as well to know moist was gonna contest tunnel.. or was that just a product of the way the video had to be cut to give the different perspectives and theyd been muted since the prior game and were discussing their strategy

[@Joehouse900]

It was scrims, those are just private matches they can’t get in trouble for anything. Community could ban them for a couple games. Democracy style

[@austinkoble]

lol I love how Bleed barely won that fight with super low hp and one guy downed then proceed to say “shit on”

[@jonnyjoker01]

It is fitting though after the fact, knowing it was stream sniping

[@xcwelk]

I mean when you stream snipe and still die, yes that's getting shit on

[@mrfen1]

They were both stream sniper eachother 😂

[@realistsapex4912]

I think any team would say that after winning a contest

[@CH-kl9qd]

they got sniped and still won the fight. tf are you on

[@qNeros]

I mean they both stole info from each others stream? Regardless it’s just stupid. Who cares.

[@BruceWayne-wh4of]

There's nothing to indicate that Bleed "stole info from the other's stream". They preemptively decided to ditch the contest before the next match even started.

[@qNeros]

@@BruceWayne-wh4of they muted for a reason I think it’s pretty clear they received information and wanted to talk about it without getting caught lmao.

[@BruceWayne-wh4of]

@@qNeros They muted cause they didn't want Moist to know about the strat lmao. I don't think you understand that there was nothing happening in Moist's stream at the time that would've changed Bleed's strategy. Bleed would've ditched the tunnel and flown to their buildings no matter what, because Moist was approaching the situation the exact same way both matches before.

[@qNeros]

@@BruceWayne-wh4of if that’s your opinion then so be it. There’s no reason to mute, change strategy privately then come off mute and start giggling about not leaking the information. It’s clear as day they’re both in the wrong.

[@BruceWayne-wh4of]

@@qNeros Huh? People do that all the time in scrims. Why would you want to leak the strat before the new match has even started? It's completely normal. And again: This has nothing to do with opinions - Bleed won the contest at that point 2-0 already. The only reason they decided to take the buildings instead was to show Moist that they won't be backing down from the contest, and how ludicrious it is to keep fighting it. I don't think you are comprehending that nothing about Moist's strategy changed from game 2 to 3. They only changed what pills they landed on, Bleed would've most likely won the contest again anyway.

[@maakeii7194]

it's shameful thats about it..move on people..

[@Voxy]

Stream snipe allegations because they made an observation? OR did they stream snipe? Who knows, but these dudes are egoing after only winning because timmy froze lol

[@sgtcaruso4176]

In the tunnel their coach says "they're being d***heads and going sky east" which is knowledge he only would have if he was stream sniping as none of his players had that information (and he said it with certainty)

[@panik4207]

i love MST but i hope they get banned and coach fired, that was low af

[@BruceWayne-wh4of]

Zipp, Raven told his team about the idea to ditch the contest before the next match had even started. He wasn't streamsniping, they would've pulled the same maneuver, no matter how Moist would've adjusted their strats. Moist's coach on the other hand was blatantly stream sniping, since he passed down information that he would've had no other access to other than by watching the enemies stream. On none of Moist's player POVs you could see or hear Bleed flying behind their back to the buildings. It was definitely stream sniping. Now, is it that big of a deal? no. But it's still important to acknowledge the fact that only one of those 2 teams was stream sniping, and that team was Moist.

[@teazzers]

Stream sniping is a big deal though..

[@sadly2]

You have the timeline wrong buddy. Moist DID discuss the strat BEFORE raven told them to troll and change places.

[@BruceWayne-wh4of]

@@sadly2 it doesnt matter, their strat was still the same concept. Contest for tunnel, just different approach. Why would Bleed change their strategy for them tryibg the same thibg over and over?

[@sadly2]

@@BruceWayne-wh4of It does matter. It means they also could have stream sniped first.

[@BruceWayne-wh4of]

@@sadly2 you just assume that, while the other team most definitely 100% did it. Live on stream admiited to it as well lol.

[@dragtag15gameryetslade13]

Its scrims get over it jesus 😂

[@MikeGrau0hr]

bs - coach just enabled both teams to have a good fight. easily proven by moist losing. there would be reason to complain if the coach would have called way earlier so moist could have PREVENTED the move. which wasnt the case. so lets rather talk about game performance having impact in the match results of pros shall we? oh nvm everybody knows and nobody cares.

[@JunnyR-qw8jh]

So Timmy changes to this team to see they stream snipe players to know their next moves. Wow.

[@darkalexander9158]

It is 100% not on Timmy right there lol it's the coach.

[@JunnyR-qw8jh]

@@darkalexander9158 it's a reflection of the entire team. He's a representation of his team

[@darkalexander9158]

@@JunnyR-qw8jh Not necessarily. If this was Emtee the coach who did it then yes but this isn't, Emtee stopped coaching the other day and none of the players told the coach to do it. It doesn't reflect anything but the coach as the coach and the players haven't had enough time together to really reflect one another.

[@Makavelli2127]

If they will do it in scrims they will definitely do it when money is on the line, they are all cheats, in one way or another.

[@steele5048]

Their coach should be banned not the players. They tried to take the fight in tunnel because they weren’t cheating only to find out they went sky East by the cheating coach.

[@carlosa5683]

It’s a team, everyone gets penalized. If they didn’t agree with the coach they wouldn’t have turned around and contested. They’re all guilty.

[@ExodiaO8E]

Coaches aren’t allowed to communicate to their team during matches. Ever.

[@oyunboldboldbaatar5519]

@@carlosa5683 So they just ignore the call? Why would they do that.

[@carlosa5683]

@@oyunboldboldbaatar5519then that makes them guilty. They’re pros and do this for a living. They knew how the coach got the information right away. Them listening, made them part of the problem

[@brewbarrymore2469]

Bro stream delay? Cmon no way they were actually stream sniping

[@johnli7818]

I think scrim has no delay

[@brewbarrymore2469]

@@johnli7818 literally not possible

[@Mo-xf2mx]

Zipp it’s for a little bit of “context” not for a little bit of “contest”! 😊

[@a4ris328]

Whyi got feeling they both strea, sniped and it was an ego battle are they brain dead xD

[@aeolian8781]

BAN THAT COACH. wtf has this game come too.

[@IncredibleMoose-]

So who stream sniped? The other team were already communicating where moist was. Or did i miss something team moist said? Looks like moist tried a new strat and the other team knew already.

[@richardhagedorn7421]

The coach of moist who was stream sniping told them mid-game that the team they were supposed to be contesting went somewhere else

[@BruceWayne-wh4of]

They didn't knew about the new strat, they preemptively decided to ditch the contest for sake of getting the Sky east buildings. Moist's coach unmuted in the call and told his team about it, so they instantly turned around and tried to fight.

[@fb_sxy5075]

After "2:0" Dropped asked wxlzy in chat to let them have tunnel cuz Epi is taken. MST made it a ego thing ... so everyone knew game 3 will be straight up tunnel contest. Ppl sayn BLD sniped too is crazy.

[@WooshuHighlights]

People who say Bleed is overreacting, tell me you’ve never seriously competed for something without telling me you’ve never seriously competed for something 😂

[@Amu313]

huh? so if a player cheats one time at practice vs in the actually competition when it counts, is verrryy different. maybe they monitor him to make sure it doesn't happen again. but like, being banned from ONE double dribble in basket ball practice? oh no!!... cry me a river....

[@WooshuHighlights]

@@Amu313 comparing stream sniping to double dribbling is crazy lmao it’s more like you’re scrimming against a team to practice for an official match and you both agree to run a certain play to practice a scenario but one coach says “screw them I’m not practicing that play” and does their own thing during the scrim, wasting both teams time essentially. I’m not saying to ban Moist’s coach from an official ALGS match day. But I do think a ban from a scrim day/couple scrim days is justified. They literally fed their team information on what another team was doing.

[@VoidBeem]

@@Amu313 potential sponsors and esports teams looking for a squad do watch scrims, especially teams that are not signed. So if someone is cheating in anyway it might ruin opportunities to show quality as a unsigned team

[@adam_c_edwards]

It’s scrims also you’re not allowed to land in different location that is also cheating

[@11menzies]

@@adam_c_edwardsreally intelligent comment there mate. Moist obviously tryna grief bleed because there sooks, bleed just outsmart them.

[@xMJOBxFISHx]

Both teams in the wrong, bleed practicing in bad faith, listening to timmys steam before hand. Moist shouldnt have their coach communicate anything. Bleed is the most to blame here, they are wasting everyones time by fucking the scrims up for both of them. Everyone saying Moist is the problem here dont understand how bad this is for both teams.

[@_bee_1088]

There is the problem, every player stream has 20 min delay, so coach had other source of info, or some of players fkd up

[@ElJuk3B0X]

I don’t think they stream with that long of delay for just scrims

[@PangoIin]

Scrims dont have delay only pro league

[@aqilardi5266]

Pro league has 10 min delay. Scrims doesnt

[@ThisIsThatOnePerson]

Alright, so I am a coach for a team in E-sports, and during scrims sometimes I do speak to mention ideas or to remind to my team about the prac we are doing. The coach speaking is fine but what he speaks of is not fine. If this is clearly stream sniping then he should not speak EVER. However, if the coach thought that they were doing this sort of braindead idea then yeah its fine to give the idea.

[@itstheboxghost]

“Esports players just think we’re dumb?” Yes you proved it in the same sentence. He’s not saying he doesn’t care about lan he’s saying he doesn’t care about you stream sniping.

[@BMXkidzevan1]

Gamers is the only people I know where they will call out the crazy things like “get shit on your so bad,” yet they both sitting at like 10 hp You barely won the fight my boy lol But stream sniping is not cool so I guess Karma lol

[@HarveyHenman-os3zo]

It's pretty clear both teams stream sniped, Bleed knew Moist's strat before they left the legend select. Shitty on both teams tbh but in the end it's only scrims, nothing was on the line, leave it at that.

[@zhangxina8255]

It's just scrims lmao people are acting like it's the fucking finals. When we did scrims for Dota tournaments nobody cared for stream snipers because it's not that deep

[@HopeforDespair]

It’s Scrims lol are we joking?

[@tgxnightshade]

more proof timmy is a pos with a pos coach on a pos team. charlie should be embarrassed

[@jordon763]

Tripods use to get stream sniped and colluded on, nobody cared. So let’s move on and keep that same energy then..

[@Smoke-un4jq]

why would anyone bother with arguably one of the worst teams in ALGs history?

[@arctictropic1147]

​@@Smoke-un4jqdouble standards

[@zerocool2233]

who the fuck is really stream sniping a Z tier team.

[@natehollings]

@@zerocool2233 tripods is decent without nickmercs

[@EditorStevo]

@@Smoke-un4jq they made it to ALG's, so they are far far far far better than you lil bro let's be honest

[@BIGGIECUZ]

it’s scrims who tf cares . 😭

[@olcatgaming859]

Why is Timmy getting the hate tho

[@SuperSteffen82]

Cringe is cringe.

[@alexreichel-qu1bl]

bleed is annoying af to listen to now they got raven its even worse