"I will go into PoE2 expecting it's a different game"

[@NoobMasterSSS]

People complain. People complain about people complaining. People complaining about people complain about people complaining.

[@EnjoyGengar]

Im here to complain about you :)

[@whylikethismyfriend]

I'm complaining about you complaining about him​@@EnjoyGengar

[@HawooAwoo]

All you need to stop complaining

[@Doggo-n3f]

Complaining is good, but complaining about complaining usually isn't productive.

[@SoulxWeaver]

The most annoying of it is the people who complain about all these combat demos. and the combat speed. like literally every promo content theyve put out is DEMO. theyre just showing off the effects and visuals, how they function. Theyve been super careful to never show how actual players would play it (ie no showcases of "endgame" stuff), because they dont want to set up expectations that might not match they end product

[@GavrynGaming]

If they can truly maintain both games well to the satisfaction of both playerset, GGG will be highly contesting the attention of players and for longer each league in the world of Wraeclast. I'm personally stoked to play PoE2 exclusively and also treating it as a completely new game. Love the coverage Ziz thanks for the video! 🍻

[@sunnydlite-t8b]

What? They already are showing they can't, thats why we have a 6 month settlers league right now. Please, lets keep it in reality. I get it people fanboy over GGG, but they need to be called out when they lie. "POE2 will just be poe1 but better". then magically "jk poe2 will be its own game".

[@BulaRotMG]

@@sunnydlite-t8bexactly, they lied to us saying poe 2 will not affect poe 1

[@Takaoshi]

@@sunnydlite-t8b Tbh they haven't lied, they never said that the development of PoE 2 wouldn't affect PoE 1. What they said was that PoE 2 wouldn't affect PoE 1 once PoE 2 is launched into 1.0. It takes a lot more resources to make a new game than it does to make league content. They have also said multiple times that once PoE 2 is actually released into 1.0 the team will be more evenly split between the two games to start making league content. Perfectly understandable in my opinion that most of the devs are working on PoE 2 right now to get it completed. Once PoE 2 is released into 1.0 in maybe 6-12 months and they start splitting the team more evenly to create league content for both games, then its more fair to call them out. Them making PoE 2 its own sepearate game was the best decision. I love PoE 1 and have been playing it since closed beta. I was excited when they announced 4.0 but i got even more excited once they said it was gonna be its own game.

[@ricodevega109]

@@BulaRotMG When did they say this? The closest I can find is Jonathan saying he believes they can dedicate resources to both games, and that as they are funded by microtransactions they are financially incentivised to keep player engagement up. I think that's from the same event where it was revealed for about a year and a half prior to that, PoE1 was essentially in maintenance mode with ~8 people working on the game. Making a new game takes a lot more work than adding a new league, so the optimistic hope that Jonathan has expressed that you are probably misquoting is that when both games are out and stable, they will be able to keep both games moving.

[@EnjoyGengar]

@@BulaRotMG I second this.

[@hachnslay]

17:30 - "GGG said 50 hours for the campaign? Ok, they were not talking about 50 hours for zizaran in the campaign." I will remind him about this.

[@discodisco360]

Waiting for this kind of game for 20+ years, love the slower pace where your actions/skills matter. So sick of the braindead gaming, one button spamming, "blasting", going fast mentality that has ruined the charm of gaming. Much LOVE GGG, THANK YOU!

[@barbarrox]

Exactly man. PoE2 literally looks liek the PERFECT Arpg to me. The eye cancer 1 button poe1 meta is the reason i never could get invested in the late engame in poe, its so braindead

[@mike-8381]

Uhm. Be warned that is the experience in the campaign. Endgame wont really change. And will be 100% speed blasting.

[@barbarrox]

@mike-8381 ofc it will get faster but definitely not even close to poe 1. Even the devs said they dont want it to be like that

[@mike-8381]

​@@barbarrox Its about the power fantasy. With a trade environment endgame WILL move to speed. It always does. 95% of the people who want slow combat will leave after launch and GGG will have to re-build endgame. It just does make any sense.

[@barbarrox]

@mike-8381 Being a bit faster or even "fast" is still worlds beyond poe 1. Poe 1 is literally eyes cancer and 20 times faster thab early poe 1. This time the dev said they dont want it to become like that and hoe the game is structured and also bosses it seems likely

[@j.d.6915]

The fact that there's a checkpoint before the boss makes me feel a lot better about the game. I had a feeling that having to redo the entire path to the boss every time you died would be too much for a lot of players.

[@Meitti]

I bet 100 dollars theres no boss checkpoints in Maps. But yeah it would be pretty harsh for a campaign where people are still learning the game.

[@MyNameIsSalo]

that already exists in poe1 though, you can add your own checkpoints anywhere. Thats not some revolutionally new mechanic

[@gianni.sacciloto]

@@Meitti Just put a portal before a boss when doing maps.

[@danzokillah294]

Stop being a whimp and play HC

[@ZnuuBoo7]

in other words...absolutely nothing changed. because you can already literally do that in POE1

[@yumnguyen8118]

December cannot come sooner 😩.

[@keithwinget6521]

Find the c1i7

[@TheTripleJski]

@@keithwinget6521 Find it? "I am the c1i7 COMMANDER!" -Jason Mewes

[@MrLu4o]

Time flies . Its coming 8-)

[@DaJodad]

Who's this December person

[@SimbaXp]

Been playing poe 1 since beta, lost track of the amount of time played and at this point I'm super excited about poe 2, something fresh and new to experience. I like my fast paced combat like many poe 1 enjoyers, but after playing poe 2 demo just let me LOGIN already. It is good and I am ready to spend countless hours in it.

[@WhatIfTheories]

I tried PoE about 5 years ago couldn't get into it and waiting for PoE 2. One thing I hated in PoE was the flask system. I feel like if I have to use a potion or flask then my build is weak. Ideally in ARPGs I don't want to use any potions or flask and don't want them to be a part of my build. Basically I don't even want to know the flask exist and think it should be only something you use while lvling.

[@--pussypatroll--]

Flasks are a mandatory function of ARPG's. Without them, it just wouldn't be the same.

[@markuslc1888]

i am looking forward to poe2 no matter how long it's gonna take. still can't with what to start, druid baer looks sick, but that big hammer is also very tasty looking!

[@benjaminschmitt3225]

POE is fun. POE2 will be fun.

[@koko2274]

Simple as that

[@TheZurc1996]

I was going to make a joke about this being a controversial take but I think most people would agree with this. Only salty online people are angry at 1 game or the other.

[@--pussypatroll--]

I like fun.

[@mariosubatrop3080]

I hope they stick to their initial vision for the game. I enjoy loot based ARPGs generally. But i never stick with them for long because the main focus of these games is always to break the game. Diablo, poe, warframe etc. always devolve into this race to the bottom, where the only real goal is to make builds that delete everything on screen quickly and efficiently with little input or decisionmaking. Towards the end youre just chasing gear and playing a clicker game basically. If they can keep the gameplay actually engaging throughout, similar to what coop-shooters like drg or darktide do, i can definitely see poe2 aquiring a seperate and unique audience.

[@mike-8381]

😂

[@hewas9738]

Your right. PoE 1 right now is a chase to farm a mageblood so that your character becomes good enough for Ubers. Builds disregard ingenuity because top level items are so strong you have to use them.

[@djdravax5412]

Most Path of Exile players were not there at the beginning when the game was much slower and think PoE 2 isn't what PoE is but to be correct PoE use to be much more slowed down and difficult, it just became easier and more fast paced over the years. I see Path of Exile II as going back to the roots of what PoE use to be the first few years after it released. I personally enjoyed PoE a lot more back in the days, I'm talking like way back in like 2013 to 2017 including the beta prior to its release in 2013 so I'm looking forward to PoE 2 because unlike the majority of PoE players today I've experienced the old PoE. PoE now is not what PoE is it's what the community made it, I wouldn't even say PoE right now is what Chris Wilson envisioned it to be it's just what the community wanted. I'm totally fine with Path of Exile II existing to cater to different types of people that didn't want PoE to become how it did, I've never liked the massive power creep, 1 click zoom zoom nature that developed over the years.

[@BigFx]

I played ruthless this league a lot more than bench league, and I must say I appreciate the slowness somewhat. That being said, I think you need to experience the zoomzoom before you can say appreciate it being slow, since speed is the meta in any arpg around.

[@jonivilander5758]

poe 2024 is peace of sht, yeah also played since open beta

[@vbarknath]

I can already see what will happen in HC xD "Hmm if I log back on I am for sure dead.... Time to wait 10 mins"

[@Sypher-NL]

its a very small amount of people that dont want poe 2 dont be fooled.

[@evayuko]

I don't want a poe2, I want a good poe, it's like people asking for wow 2.....

[@damienjohn]

@@evayuko except its not like that at all? poe is not an MMO lol

[@ceezymuccheez]

@@evayukoNot really, it’s clear from the gameplay that it’s fundamentally reworked from the ground up which a old game like PoE 1 really really needs as it’s such a old game so at that point they might as well just call it PoE 2…which they are. The current formula of Leagues is fine for existing players but is absolutely terrible for new players. I hard disagree with you and feel PoE 2 is desperately needed for the ip to last longer. Wow is a horribly dated game and that never gets any new players for this exact reason and is now totally void of new players to the point that’s is memed about constantly.

[@ceezymuccheez]

Yeah the people not liking the look of the pace of PoE 2 has some how been turned into people not liking PoE 2. I personally fucking hate the look of the pace but I also hate the pace of PoE 1’s campaign pace which is all we have seen of PoE 2 so far

[@evayuko]

@@ceezymuccheez People may meme about it, but still has new players and players that come back every expansion, and you don't see them pushing for a wow2, I understand the company wants more money and bring more people to the game, but I feel they are stepping on the face of the current players to make a game that's going to be so simple and easy for new players like diablo 4 and games like that, that old players going to feel abandoned, it's a daring try, I don't know if it could work or not but if it doesn't work as they expect it may backfire pretty roughly

[@cr6458]

@11:12 no. They clarified this. You have a fixed, default amount of skill slots now. It does not change. Gear does not grant more slots. You have 9(iirc) and that's both where you start and end.

[@Nokkyu]

31:00 i don't understand. I played PoE1 for very long on PlayStation 4, the 5 Flasks were much easier to use there than on the keyboard with piano. (you use them with the D-Pad). To change it to 2 Flasks because of Gamepad is just wrong, they change it because they want to.

[@PlamoTherapy]

I think it's not worth the time comparing combos between both games simply because there's not enough of it in PoE 1, or if there ARE skill combos, they're not used there because they don't matter as much (enemies die too quickly).The closest I think in PoE 1 is Slam Builds before you get to the point of being able to automate the warcries. And even then I don't think you can count that as "combos" because you're only applying buffs to yourself, not chaining skill usage in a meaningful way.

[@Deminese2]

Pretty sure the reality is as long as combos are worth it people will do it. ED contagion was done for ages cus the QOL and speed was worth it until it got nerfed to hell. Frostbolt ice nova is always chosen for archmage cus its just way better than any other singular spell. DD was always used cus it was so strong until giga nerfed (yes I know it was mostly automated but still a combo skill). All GGG needs to do is make 1 button builds way worse than combos so while its Doable its just not worth it most of the time. People don't hate combos they hate that they aren't worth it in Poe1 too often.

[@holyshiet787]

Cant wait to do Flicker strike with Mercenary

[@souldeluna]

Iirc we never got confirmed that PoE2 would have utility flasks. If they never were to add those in the game we did not really need 5 slots, however utility flasks did offer some nice alternative build opportunities. Maybe they can add some of that utility into the trinket slot (like more projectiles, consecrated ground while mana/life flask are activated)

[@ilovefanservice]

i highly dislike the whole disabled ppl need 1 button builds argument . you should not compromise the integrity of your gameplay loop to enable an extreme minority of the playerbase to have an easier time. accessibility should come in the form of better controller devices for those who need them, not by dumbing down the gameplay experience.

[@zanaer2919]

thanks for taking things i love away from me because life rng kicked me in balls, also poe at the end of the is single with elements of multiplayer it can have 1 and 2-3-4-69 skill builds in it

[@bighat4742]

It's honestly not even that. Between the tech being made to accommodate for disabilities and seeing disabled gamers beat Souls games it feels more like an insult to say they aren't capable of anything but one-button builds.

[@TheTripleJski]

@@bighat4742 yeah the 1 button builds aren't for the disABLED...it's for the disINTERESTED in playing a game with moment to moment critical thinking and depth. If these people had their way we'd never fight bosses more complex than Hillock. Let em all go play mobile games while actual gamers enjoy our hobby and the limits of cool, deep, and engaging things it has to offer that seemingly so few devs are capable of providing. GGG is stepping up their game and the "tumor that metastasized from them trying to improve upon POE1's lackluster melee combat" (Jonathan Rogers' words, not mine) is likely to become the best ARPG we've ever played, like it or not.

[@zanaer2919]

Dunno for other disabled players but for me if PoE2 will require juggling spells even on easy archetypes like summoner it will be impossible to play it, it all depends on type of disability

[@lavq7000]

​@@zanaer2919 if PoE2 is impossible to play for you, that's too bad and I hope that whatever you have may allow you to enjoy other things (maybe poe1). But games should not be made to be enjoyed by everyone. Games for everyone are games for no one.

[@volchonokilliR]

I started playing PoE1 after seeing the preview of the skill tree. Not only it is awesome, interesting and good-looking - all choices have a very deep connection between everything. And for PoE2, they made skill tree even more beautiful... Love how it looks so much. Later, I'll just have to see if I like how it's populated :p

[@MrEliteGBR]

The biggest thing for ARPG's for me is the itemization, it's what d2 did amazingly for me, POE2 can look and play however, as long as I can kill monsters and get the same slot machine feeling like d2 and poe1, I'm happy..... You could give me d4, exactly the same as it is, but with poe itemization, and I'd cream my pants.

[@hankczinaski915]

Yeah, D4 itemization is terrible. I don't think there's a good way (and need) to reinvent the D2 model. Unless you go completely left field with it.

[@ali3nn4ti0n3]

Finally someone who gets it. Minute to minute gameplay is going to be boring after 1000 hours no matter what you do imo, it's the items and builds that matter.

[@QcR4MB0]

"i really fuck dude" 21:42

[@InkDevil999]

"I can't explode twice" 22:50

[@djbootymeatlive1484]

@@InkDevil999 i didnt watch the video, i only clicked these timestamps, now i know the video is about gay porn

[@K1m9857]

Zizaran's pov changed once he actually went through and played diablo 2 properly Which is a good thing

[@Someone2knoe]

Coach coop event would be pretty damn cool. you could make it multiday with breaks built in too

[@satibel]

I think exit to character select will drop the instance, though some way of deleting the instance when you're in the menu would be interesting too. the way it was before with 2.5s animation for portal in boss fights is a fair way to make it too that's not stronger than macro. also something to remember is that you can pause at anytime if you're solo or everybody in the instance pauses, so you don't have to instant logout, you can pause and decide what to do. portaling out during a bossfight resetting it and moving your portal to the checkpoint would be ideal imo. (and maybe keep the portal taking 2.5s, so either you wait 15 min or try to find a window to portal out.)

[@mlande14]

I am so so sick of other PoE players whining about PoE2. If they didn't whine about every single thing in PoE over the past 10 years then maybe I could take them seriously, but as of right now it is just more of the same whining. Honestly pretty disappointed that Ziz and others are pandering to that crowd lately.

[@burningpipe2627]

Then close your eyes and avoid reality. no one needs you to take them seriously, and your feelings dont matter. Enjoy the game if you like it, dont play it if you dont. We all know the average player in any game that requires skill have limited understanding of the game mechanics. None of these people are considering what the game will feel like when we have 300% attack, 100% attack speed, etc.

[@-_KC_-]

​@@burningpipe2627 not reading allat. good for u or sorry it hpp to u

[@RyanAKAStreakk]

@@-_KC_- it was like 4 sentences fuck off kid. also nice copy paste 10 year old reply

[@mlande14]

@@burningpipe2627 Yes and that's why it hurts my brain to think that these people have a voice in the world. They can't use a single drop of critical thinking yet they are everywhere constantly whining and attempting to ruin any possible discussion about the game. Looking forward to it myself and I am sure a lot of others are as well. And yes, I am aware that my opinion doesn't matter to anyone else.

[@vanillaice7749]

Alk and Quin are the only two non-trans POE streamers

[@HuckFinn-jw7ue]

i dont care about combos when it comes to clearing maps. I want to melt normal mobs, but for rare mobs and especially bosses i love the idea of using multiple skills. Using the machine gun style to take down the armor of the boss and then switching to a dps skill is a neat idea.

[@benperry593]

I like seeing my favorite streamers do some variety. It's great to see Ziz in poe1 because of how knowledgeable he is but watching him crush the game can get stale. It's entertaining to watch someone learn something new and ride the struggle bus.

[@Sal_McCoy]

The combos shown for the Poison Ranger look really fun. Combos need to be at the level of what you see in team games like DoTA.

[@satibel]

I'm pretty sure 1 button builds will be viable like cast on ignite or ed-contagion or whatever niche builds are viable in poe 1 currently, you'll clear everything relatively easily, just plan on spending more to clear as fast as a meta build. also I really hope that they make a "beta" league instead of voiding the characters if there's no breaking changes, I probably won't play them much, but it's nice to be able to go back.

[@Dan_Neely]

Do we know how logout will work in parties? If the game keeps playing it will let anyone with friends potentially bypass a lot of the penalty they're trying to inflict. If it freezes everyone in the instance until the person rejoins, then they've just added a really nasty new way to grief public parties.

[@hewas9738]

Public parties is still a thing? How are you genuinely concerned about such a minor feature? You want to remove smooth party play just to please 0.005% of the player base?

[@arctoses4973]

As a console player, there are many mechanics that we cant make use of (ex. Flame dash to exact spots, leap slam past enemies, moving while vendoring/skill tree/switching gems(mainly for speed running campain) skills that require more precise placement, etc) and I think that’s fine, not every skill/mechanic needs to function perfectly. Console has been second to pc since it is much smaller which is fine, but I do enjoy when they find creative solutions. Like for leap slam, I’ve wanted to be able to toggle movement skills to not target enemies so that I can leap slam without targeting enemies on my nuts. Solutions that fix console without affecting pc are much welcomed.

[@moopuspoopus]

32:32 Best response. You're the man, Ziz hahahaha. Also joining the "Unpopular opinion" train of enjoying pianoing flasks. 5 flask slots allows for even more build customization, I'm on-board.

[@swiftbow2110]

Yea, you make a good point about POE 2 and how you look at it as a different game. I think it will be dramatically different fun for me just watching others play the Alpha and Beta builds. POE 1 is my forever game. I play other games but I feel I’m just visiting until the next league call me home. I hope GGG understands what a miracle of a game they have with POE 1 and to never let it slip.

[@cr6458]

For the duo races, pair the hype racers with non-racers. Top-bottom pairs. That keeps it more balanced and less about luck of the draw. That does sound like an amazing race though

[@circaen]

"I don't think people care about comboing" POE 1 players are incapable of seeing anything outside of POE 1. The comboing & using different skills is why POE 2 will be more popular than POE 1 has ever been. Having agency in combat & being able to outplay your stats will bring in players that could never get into POE. It is the reason there are so many non POE 1 players excited to play POE 2. "keep in my there are disabled people that need one button builds to be viable" This is so incredibly tacky. GGG can't make their game more shallow because there are disabled people in the world. This is such an attempt at emotional manipulation & it is shallow & gross. "The game would feel infinitely better with passive flask recharge" At what point are we just asking to not die? Would the game feel better with infinite flask?

[@agav2345]

POE1 players just dont like playing games.

[@TheTripleJski]

agree 100%

[@conduit1110]

This is the best way that I've seen this put, I'm very surprised that the community has reacted badly to more engaging and complicated gameplay. They fundamentally do not want a new game, they want the same exact game. But to all those people saying "POE1 died for this" no, you should be happy about POE2. POE1 does not exist in a void, if GGG kept being stagnant they would die as a company and POE1 servers would eventually go down, GGG has pandered hard to these never POE2ers and if you believe what they say it will be the ideal situation for someone who only wants POE1. It's rare for a company to say they're going to continue to so heavily invest in the old game. I think this sentiment of not wanting a new game will die down once people actually play it and see the product that GGG have made but we'll see.

[@SimbaXp]

At this point I hope they hit the gas on poe 1 and make it so fast and zoomy that it becomes unbearable, and I say that as a poe 1 player since beta. I do like my zoom zoom as well but the amount of bitching and crying going on about poe 2 is insane.

[@metalserbia]

yeah nothing better then combining 25 skills to kill 1 mob... super fking slow shit game

[@daniellord-vera6987]

ive played both pc and consol having the 2 slots for health and mana is better you wont get confused for your slots alocations and the 3rd slot will be a buff which adds a layer to the game at a technical point this is better long term and enjoyable for the players.

[@arfyanr]

In POE wiki under path of exile 2 page, it stated "Logging out or disconnecting gives you the option to return as it was left in or return to town when reconnecting." ez Ziz HC first try

[@satibel]

tbf you're usually playing life flask 3 automated utility flask and mana or an extra life/utility flask on the majority of builds, the 2 flask + trinket is effectively that, but streamlined. I hope there's like "your trinkets have 33% reduced effect, you have 100% increased flask charges" mods on life and mana flasks. something really interesting they could do with trinkets is a 2x3 inventory slot, with different sizes of trinkets like in last epoch.

[@EutCake]

Flasks in poe 1 is overpowered, but yea the system is so good, all they need is to nerf and properly scale the flasks and so on = gg freaking g :) 34:02 and that's why they're reducing the number and the trinkets are just the same as automating the old flasks. A pretty decent solution and flasks in poe 1 was "items" too, so i don't think there's gonna be a big difference. Hopefully there's gonna be some play around trinkets, like magic/rare/unique and so on.

[@derwinnerr]

the only thing i want is that I wanna see my character get stronger. In poe, the faster pace is equivalent to my character getting stronger. i just hope poe2 adds more depth to this.

[@ricodevega109]

I love the idea of the couch co-op thing as much because some leagues my wife will play to end game, some she doesn't. Having the option to build a second character and do a bit of the current league content with her at a high level on one of her off leagues sounds great to me, even if we have to play controller to do it. Also means if you want to do a duo play with a housemate but they have more commitments than you, you can just build both characters on your account and jump in when they're available.

[@Attilat]

I love the speed of gameplay. They should keep it as is. The “can’t see what’s happening on the screen” really turned me off of poe1

[@Relhio]

It's going to be exactly like PoE where you can't see what's happening on the screen. If you want that experience again, unfortunately only Titan Quest has slower gameplay in the first hours and that's it, every other ARPG ends up like that because you make number go up; making number go up means speed also go up.

[@tomtomkowski7653]

13:15 Flasks in PoE are broken and totally OP so that's why BloodMage is also so broken and so OP. I really hope they won't this mistake with PoE2. Just compare what you can get from a tree and what you can get from flasks. 1900 armor + 1900 evasion + 5 to max and +35 to all res? This is stupid.

[@BigFx]

Couch Coop looks exactly the same as D3 on console. You have profiles on console tied to diff accounts, and when you add new player it's his/her console profile (switch/xbox/ps), and that is tied to the d3 profile. That being said, we had 1 console and did like 1000 hours of d3 on couchcoop. Once we discovered true multiplayer, it's hard to go back - power to be offscreen is just insane.

[@Jayraj073]

piano flasks in POE is just unnecessary. I don't see how streamlining the flasks meaningfully impacts the core gameplay in a significant way?

[@danparsons1423]

It’s always a good sign when you feel like a game was specifically made for your preference and POE2 is that for me.

[@c-tothefourth4879]

Plasmic Blast = Wunderwuffe from Zombies

[@Maxran50]

GGG wants to open to new public with POE2 and most people that never tried POE1 is because its complexity and because it has old graphics. I think GGG will not forget about 1 button playstyle and fast cleaning. However GGG did not understand that people plays zoomy builds that clean several screens in one click versus a 3 combo skills to kill a rare in POE2 act 2.

[@a_catfish5180]

I really want PoE 2 to add a stridsvagn 122 PLSS Swedish main battle tank as a playable character

[@minibeefcake]

I wonder if they could do "couch coop multiplayer". IE, a party of 6 people, but 3 sets of couch coops? You'd be running around the map tethered to your coop player but there's 2 other sets of coop players doing maps as well. Or other combination of Coop and single players together in the same party.

[@Dethcapp]

as someone with severe arthritis in hands and wrists having less flasks is really exciting!

[@metamon2704]

I like mageblood for the same reason.

[@Dethcapp]

@@metamon2704 is a shame is so hard to get ahold of

[@metamon2704]

@@Dethcapp I actually had it drop this league, first time I ever got it.

[@Tepraider]

I actually don't understand this point and I've seen other people suffering from arthritis also make it. But from what i've seen about PoE 2 you won't have to piano the flask, but you will have to piano the skills in a rotation to do damage. Isn't it gonna be the same thing?

[@metamon2704]

@@Tepraider I don't think you will have to piano skills, but it will not be as easy to just use one skill as in PoE - my prediction is that you will probably end up being able to use 2 skills, like one for single target damage and one for AoE.

[@egorb6947]

Personally I can't play POE, because if the build is good, it feels boring to play. Sounds dumb, but I like everything about POE besides its gameplay. POE2 seems like a dream come true

[@barbarrox]

EXACTLY. I anytime thought I am the only one. I loved PoE1 but anytime i reached the endgame I literally got eye cancer and lost braincells with this braindead gameplay

[@egorb6947]

@@barbarrox Yeah, I really like it in the Act 1, where you don't oneshot enemies and have to be careful, but then it just turns into clicking a single button and gets too boring and repetitive. I am a little bit concerned that POE2 devs will listen to the criticisms about the pace and "soulslikish gameplay" and eventually get it very close to POE1, but let's hope for the best

[@barbarrox]

@egorb6947 Exactly what i am.scared too. That the cry babys make the devs change their game vision. Would make me so sad

[@nightplaymc]

I can't wait for poe2! Don't mind waiting a few months for poe1 content for it personally.

[@kenhiett5266]

If GGG was really clever they would be running a secret reset for POE 1 simultaneously. They would realize this new game is going to cater to a slightly different audience and treat it like a different market. I predict a backlash is coming and they have a strong enough model to have 2 popular games. It wouldn't happen immediately, but probably within a year if they invested in both games equally. (I know the amount of work I'm proposing seems unrealistic, but I don't understand why they would change a successful game so drastically. The one that got them here could really use an art and graphics upgrade.)

[@gamewhizjo]

Poe 2 will be the ARPG of a generation

[@LitanyofFury99]

Think the devs really made it clear that they want PoE2 to be different? If you don't like it no need to play it.. nobody's stopping you to keep playing PoE1...

[@knusperwurst]

Except ggg is stopping us by making less and less content and leagues because of poe2

[@InkDevil999]

​@@knusperwurstI am really hoping they get the content back on track for PoE1 once 3.25 is over.

[@christerjakobsen8107]

@@knusperwurst You ever consider that this might, MIGHT, have something to do with them being all hands on deck just to get poe2 out the door first? The effort needed to create something is magnitudes higher than the effort needed just to maintain it.

[@knusperwurst]

@@christerjakobsen8107 We all know that poe2 is the reason. Them sayting and lying over and over again that it will not impact poe1 is the problem. And letting poe1 just starving out for a BETA that has only 3 acts and can only be played if you bought a supporter pack really shows how little they seem to care about poe1 at all, even at this stage.

[@cr6458]

"No health on the skill tree." this isn't really true. Strength gives life. Expect 75% of builds to be strength stackers lol

[@ayoCC]

10:04 it would create a great baseline for how progression should look like, how powerful the developers intend for you to be at any point.

[@jasonbonadio8870]

Feels like a slow death waiting for this game to come out....

[@BladeBloodreaver]

With all the changes to gameplay, especially WASD movement, I expect PoE2 to play as a very different game. Backend systems however, like items, passive tree, skill gems, etc keep it PoE. If the gameplay hits the mark for me, it'll be my primary game. While I defnitely like the one button clearing of PoE1, I also think it is very restricting. Having more skills that feel more impactful should feel better to play.

[@randomfeg4141]

With combo skills, if the combo is rewarding I don't have a problem with pressing even 8 button rotations, if its smooth I'm good

[@schornou7007]

In my head, I prefer one button spam way more, but then I played Lost Ark and thought, "Imagine an ARPG with this skill setup, 8 skills that all feel impactful." So I think it's possible, but not in a COMBO way, especially not if the combo uses 1 utility skill for another to do more damage. That's just slow and boring. Combos are only fun if all stages of them do damage, but it ramps up and and in a big dmg final hit.

[@roccoheat8662]

As someone recently playing and maxing fury druid in hell on D2r, POE2 looks faster and way way way better for melee. All this doom and gloom is getting echo chambered bad

[@knappieboy]

I absolutely cannot wait to do Alkaizer runs in POE2 ;)

[@RichHeart89]

Over 10k hours in PoE and I think the combo potential is a very good thing if it’s done right. If I can use the freezing shotgun crossbow skill to freeze, and then any other skill to shatter then it’s good because it let’s you build your own combos. But if it’s like freeze shotgun and then you have to use this specific other skill to shatter then it’s gonna be a bit meh. I want combos we can use to optimize skillful play, not to just shoehorn us into locked in skill pairings like Essence drain+Contagion

[@1norwood1]

it depends a lot on the skill system, usually you hyperfocus on one skill because the tree funnels you into that. For example in current PoE I'd never mix two elements like (Fire and Cold) because all the investment into Fire Damage won't apply to the cold skill and vice-versa. Or say a projectile skill and an AOE skill all the proj damage won't buff the AoE skill. if you want to use multiple skills then the tree better have a lot of generic Attack Speed / Cast Speed etc nodes. I think in one of their demos they showed off the ability to have different trees active when you weapon swap that could help but weapon swapping constantly won't feel good to play.

[@DarkepyonX]

PoE2 is made for a bigger target audience over poe1 fans to point if more new players are on and spending it will make game cater to them more over PoE1. That's how Tencent became #1 by catering to the masses over the hardcores . Pubg mobile Cod Mobile Honor of Kings Look up playerbases and revenue, that's what they want for PoE2 period and they are in charge , that's what 100% ownership and control means (Chris , Jonathan and others sold back ALL their stock and ownership) It is and always will be a different game .

[@creamnwheat]

Your logout discussion is kind of a perfect example of what's wrong with PoE1. (I do agree with your town portal statement, though) The reason they are NOT the same thing is because you're talking about a disconnect. PoE1 is at the point that you're talking about a tactical disconnect, and not worried about when you -actually- disconnect. PoE2 has much bigger, longer boss fights, and a DC is going to feel horrible. So instead, they made it so you come back to it. And everyone is just immediately dogging on it, trying to view it as a punishment, etc.

[@yaegerrrr]

The grenade on the wall thing only gets ever better the more i think about this being in POE. yet we got u talking crazy dumb

[@theshadowcult]

What im secretly hoping for is that they have been updating poe 1 with the upgrades from poe 2 as they go... so maybe we can get a poe 1 visual upgrade to poe 2 quality?

[@diaboliquedia4300]

I don't think that's plausible due to engine limitations. If it were, i think they'd just update POE 1 instead of making a new one.

[@Scyths1]

Only thing I'm really afraid of is trying out PoE2's skill system and not liking it. After being used to PoE's system for over a decade it's going to be hard to leave it behind. Granted I haven't played the game yet so maybe I'll love it. I only hope that it's going to be basically PoE one with a few new systems and new campaign/graphics/environments. If the change is too great I'll see if I like it after trying it.

[@danielfry8097]

It's the same skill system... You just don't have to worry about item sockets but she skill gems work the same.

[@Daddyops]

Fuck nooooo. No two of my favorite games doing their things in Dec (Ashes and PoE). I love Ashes.

[@MunkeyBrewster]

Surely you can portal out to quit a losing fight. I hope they just mean you can't come back in at the same situation.

[@roccoheat8662]

Its POE, half the game is the fun of making builds. Your suggestion to give new players a complete build auto assigning things without thought is a horrid idea. It would it be incredibly difficult to implement due to all the small details of a build like items, play style, and small details. It would need to remove any any "player choice" to work. It kills the loot of the game, character building, player identity, it removes the game from game. That's a REAL disconnect from the common players. I HATE when games plays themselves for me. That's like turning on auto play for recent jrpg titles, at least they have cinematics. I HATE it Okily dokily rant over, thanks for the video. Very excited for POE2

[@hamedameri9910]

15 miunute reset for logout? oooh quin is gonna be raging continuously.

[@АндрейБелов-ж9ш]

more react content tho...

[@MarceloYuri]

So, it has become my personal joke to say that christmas is around the corner, while in April or March... Never thought I would get annoyed by December while in November.

[@KontrolStyle]

finally someone speaks the true 31:25 console game has made pc gaming suck, i hope it doesn't make poe 2 suck.

[@BigFx]

Well, we are now being affected by the dpad bonanza, so rip ... Hope it does not end up as d4 :/

[@askakizz]

How are some people not understanding that the devs cannot achieve their vision duo to limitations in poe1... They literally can't give us the game they want us to experience with the old engine... They can't just stay contained in the old fishbowl forever...

[@epiphanyosu]

poe2 uses the same engine as poe1

[@codhcod4949]

the yoshida video is awesome

[@dweisparce]

ngl one of the main reasons I'm so excited for POE2 is the controller support. Playing with my controller is what I prefer over keyboard.

[@damienjohn]

Poe1 has controller support

[@PropagandaWithASmile]

I've played the shit out of PoE 1 and I am very. much looking forward to combo's. The main reason I stopped PoE 1 is that it's too 1 button spammy.

[@LVHAXOR316]

I hate when people complain about the speed you can't have meaningful combat with speed

[@mike-8381]

Ow2

[@RJMacReady1]

Chat turned off for the first couple of months at least. Thats the way to go I think

[@tomtomkowski7653]

I hope they completely redesign crafting because in PoE1 it's a huge mess... LastEpoch did a good job with crafting, which is complex (you can craft anything you want) but not complicated at the same time. GGG tends to over-engineer and over-complicate everything.

[@njannjan3]

Couch coop is the best part, can't wait to play with beloved one, cause d4 got too casual after all the patches

[@ahmenforfandenda]

Man I am sceptical about these screen clear skills… I for sure hope POE2 will be much much slower paced and much more challenging than POE1.

[@BulaRotMG]

There will definitely be screen clear stuff, maybe not as bizarre as poe 1

[@AnaICarnaval]

@@BulaRotMG based on cluster bomb skill, it will be cluttered to hell like POE 1

[@ahmenforfandenda]

@@BulaRotMG thats my hope.

[@ahmenforfandenda]

@@AnaICarnaval thats my fear.

[@Deminese2]

Well cluster grenade has a cooldown since its a charge based skill so GGG can always adjust its base cooldown/any passives/affixes affecting it so you cant just spam the giant aoe grenade 24/7

[@wafer2582]

POE2 i'm going to give it a good go, but i don't like Dark Souls difficulty games, so it will depend on how well they balance it.

[@petrduchac2580]

No characters should do hand signs like in Naruto to change skills :D

[@derpizzadieb]

My biggest worry is the new movement system, i dont want an twinstick iso shooter, i want an arpg. I did like the faster gameplay of 1, so i do worry about that aswell, that one of the reason i liked PoE over Diablo. I am curious, i will play, but i am concerned.

[@barbarrox]

I hate PoE1 for teh insane fast and braindead endgame Thats why i cant wait for PoE2. The new movements system dont matter since you literally can choose between M&K or WASD

[@derpizzadieb]

@@barbarrox the issue is when the gameplay favors WASD

[@MrBenDiesel]

so when ziz says every game should have like a built in build guide, the only game ive ever seen that on was diablo immortal! they have recommended builds and how to play them..

[@DarkepyonX]

And no need of loot filters and systems noobs can grasp without guides 😂 played it first 16 months but on hiatus now . For all the bitching and the legendary gems that game is amazing and I been abusing the returning player system for goodies crests and gems 😂 0 spent on game average over 6 chars (low 2250 high 3720 reso)

[@Ryan_but_the_name_was_taken]

Idk how anyone could think this looks bad. It’s not d4 after all

[@MaxxxMaxMaxx]

Glad you mentioned flasks in D2 lol. I never played it as a kid so i don't have a nostalgic feel for it as some of my friends did. I bought D2R at release and played for about 1 hout before realizing the flask system is dumb as fuck. Uninstalled and never touched it again. Same with the charms.

[@therbeeo5364]

I was hoping you would play Hardcore at launch for PoE 2 🙁 I think it would be fun racing for game completion, when you don't know what to expect.

[@Orpheeus97]

3:46 so PoE2 will have Gold now as currency? Notice that on the floor, apologize if I'm wrong

[@FunkyyCat_]

Yes we've known that for a very long time

[@Skyass]

Imagine crying about PoE2 in 2024 OMEGALUL Diablo IV was a wake-up call to all these content creators that were excitingly hyping up D4 and bitching about any PoE2 news. There are still some people that have this narrow-minded mentality that PoE1 will outclass PoE2 and bitch about everything GGG shows. Well, just stop being losers guys smiley face In my opinion we don't need PoE1 anymore in a few years when PoE2 becomes a game with better gameplay, better graphics, better story and eventually more content. But idk maybe I'm the cooked one but we won't have to wait that long to see I guess

[@Joxerlol]

Better gameplay is when you fight a boss for 7 minutes using default attack? There is no way you look at these gameplay videos, teasers and leaked boss fights and say "Yeah that's a better gameplay". This is indeed going to be a completely different game. Using a stun and charging my attack for 5 seconds just to kill a common monster doesn't look fun in my eyes.

[@exekyelipliz]

Mmm, PoE2 pareciera una estrategia para captar a todos los jugadores de Diablo y llevarlos a PoE. Yo compré D4 al principio y, hasta el día de hoy, pienso que fue una mala inversión, aunque me gusta mucho PoE. Sin embargo, definitivamente PoE2 es otra experiencia, y tendré que jugarlo pensando que es un juego totalmente diferente. Si hay algo que me gusta de PoE, es lo complejo y ridículo que puede llegar a ser crear una build, y el resultado final es genial cuando tu personaje deletea todo. En ese momento, uno se dice a sí mismo: 'Puedo ir más rápido', y volvemos a craftear el equipo, esperando hacer algo mucho más grotesco. Cambiamos varias cosas y tenemos dos opciones: o nuestra build se va al fondo del abismo, directo al tacho de la basura, xD, o nos lleva a otro nivel. Pero con PoE2, no siento que ese vaya a ser el caso. Tampoco puedo compararlo con D3 de lo que he visto hasta el momento y de D4, no es que odie la jugabilidad, sino su endgame y el funcionamiento de los nightmare dungeons. Ahora, si comparamos el crafting de D4 con el de PoE, para mí D4 es basura; no hay comparación.

[@TheTripleJski]

As a POE 1 early access adopter the most fun I've had with builds is usually 2 button builds like bb/bf...to my dismay, trying to turn the braindead 1 button builds into something more interesting to play and ineteract with often ended up being sub-optimal. As time went on and I've gotten older...and older...1 button builds grew on me, but I can't wait to see what cool/fun combos they cook up in POE2 and it gives me great joy that for such a complex game, the simplistic moment to moment gameplay is getting a sequel-worthy update....in...its...SEQUEL. If you don't like it, play POE1, as we all have for the last 10 plus years OOOOOR...be like I did during those 10 years and learn to love the game despite one small area of it being something that isn't your first choice, considering it's being made by the best in the business (the video game business, not just ARPGs). People complaining about gameplay changing (for the better by virtually EVERY metric...depth/fun/engagement...only way you dislike this is if you're lazy...lazy that is, for a GAMER...or incapacitated the latter of which I can empathize with while experiencing more frequent joint pain causing me to take longer breaks) need to get over it. Our favorite game appears to have been improved...significantly, you can stop whining now.

[@yukariyoshisaki6333]

EA and beta being the same thing is a level of wrongness i did not expect to hear today

[@99range92def]

@30:46 I don't see how having 1 mana and 1 health is worse than having like 3 health 2 mana?.

[@Reashu]

Yeah, this isn't "console was limited so we put everyone on the same level" - it's "we experimented with the console experience and thought it was *better* for everyone". Ziz has some weird-ass takes occasionally.