"People are scared" - Zizaran Reacts

Zizaran reacts to ‪@Mathilification‬ 's video about Path of Exile and Path of Exile 2.
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[@1div2agent74]

Crafting in poe2 is like throwing shit at a wall. Man this is the best way to put it

[@masdabugg8618]

Somehow, I ended up with no game instead of two games.

[@CoalCoalJames]

Loads of people in the same boat. But we are "doomers" apparently, for pointing bad stuff out.

[@ToxfireRS]

@@CoalCoalJames the people that are "pointing bad stuff out" are NOT the ones being called doomers. The doomers are the ones acting like the game is ruined forever.

[@Storku]

@@CoalCoalJamesYou are doomers though 🤣

[@manilowgamer]

There are hundreds of thousands of game to play. Its ok to not play PoE for a couple months while they work on things. If Path of Exile is your entire life you need to see a therapist or reevaluate things. Not trying to shit on you but there is no reason to fall into a downward spiral over a game.

[@superking___]

​@@manilowgamerChristmas is cancelled indefinitely and you want us not to spiral??

[@Wyrsa]

Blizzard isn't a joke, jokes are funny.

[@maxim377]

I dunno bro, when I see some of the cutscenes on youtube I laugh pretty hard. Anduin lookin like Jesse Pinkman is fantastic.

[@1div2agent74]

Ggg is a joke

[@JessieWiggls]

Never heard of Blizzard

[@Zerochilluwu]

tragic comedy is still comedy

[@bruce_leon1044]

Not all jokes are funny.

[@-Reo-]

100% of the reason I buy supporter packs is to increase the chances that another league comes out four months later.

[@rolandoredsky4254]

For me it was also looking forward to PoE 2 enough that I would pay more into the packs then I otherwise would have.

[@unworthychong6060]

Keywords there is" increase the chances"

[@Mister_Vintage]

Agreed that the lack of "crafting" (slam/vendor) is my biggest concern for POE2. If they want it to be based almost entirely on RNG....sign me up as a POE2 doomer as well. This current system is irredeemable dogshit right now.

[@CoalCoalJames]

But have you tried the 100% infallible logic of "git gud and play this op broken build" yet~

[@Mister_Vintage]

@@CoalCoalJames - I might be guilty there...lol

[@lolsalad52]

​@@Mister_Vintage Bro look at poe1 without any league mechanics and say that sitting for an hour in your hideout is better? At least in Poe 2 it encourages you to actually play the game to get upgrades? All they need to do is add more mechanics like they did in poe. Which is going to happen. Starting from a more bare bones experience is better for the game and a broader player base or else you will just have Poe 1 2.0 with a huge barrier to entry via insane complexity for no reason.

[@Possu81]

I'm sure leagues bring deeper mechanisms to craft

[@mitcheljames7053]

@@lolsalad52 Lots of doomers, POE 1 had shit crafting when it was in beta.

[@sebastianholsclaw]

The problem is I can’t vote for POE1 with my wallet until they have an update.

[@unworthychong6060]

You can buy simply not playing

[@The_Berg]

The key word used is "was". When you're accustomed to having a game change on a set schedule, and then say, "hey, PoE1 is on definite pause till we get PoE2 together", people are going to have an issue with that.

[@krinniv7898]

Streamers are scared. Normal people have other things to do.

[@frankkeck3114]

As an OG vet of the closed beta days (May 2012), and one of few remaining active, I am seriously considering putting a heavy focus on PoE 2 streaming and app development since the current panicky streamer community is leaving a door of opportunity wide the hell open for others to fill their vacant shoes.

[@driakos]

@@frankkeck3114 Excellent point.

[@MikeyJ28]

No they aren’t. Streamers care about what’s popular and profitable. They are playing PoE 2 because it gets views. Normal people care about the game.

[@omega1231]

@@MikeyJ28 The vast majority of normal people have other hobbies than PoE, maybe learn a skill or something in the mean time, i don't know, but to argue that you are a normal person and the only thing you care about is PoE, doesn't scream "normal" to me.

[@Borsecann]

@@MikeyJ28 I played PoE2, I had a ton of fun, I had frustrations, I left feedback, I see PoE1 league is delayed, I say great and am now playing something until updates.

[@paniczeezily]

Ahhh, when the content is watching the video about a lack of content from other content creators. How is this not collapsing into a black hole yet.

[@joelhodoborgas]

Yeah Ziz is in full copium mode.

[@RealSnugh]

The thing not mentioned in either video is the content coming to poe1 that was announced last night

[@karrenliuk]

@@RealSnugh are we talking about the emergency lack of content event?

[@lehk23]

youtube incentivizes regular uploads and actively DISinsentivives skipping even a day. ziz is getting peak viewership and has to keep that. im not making any statements on what i think is moraly correct or not, just saying what the reason is. tho i will call out youtube for bad practices that encourages AND REWARDS slop content.

[@RealSnugh]

@@karrenliuk the one with new content? yes

[@KazekanAgiel]

I would never buy a cosmetic for a game that I don’t love (and in turn, to a dev team I don’t appreciate), regardless of how cool the cosmetic is. D4 for example - some pretty sick cosmetics, but fuck if I’m giving Blizzard any more money.

[@GRIMHOOD99]

Only scarry thing in my opinion is paper representation of profits in tencent hands at the end of the year, like there aren't two leagues (thank god for the event) and people will not spend as much on poe 1 this years as normally, tencents sees that and they straight up can start pushing on GGG about that. That is scary possibility, actual mentality of GGG is fine except for the communication lately.

[@Vithaar1969]

running 2 live services game at the same time is insane, hope they make it

[@baflabies]

from my understanding. There will be its own team on poe 1, But takes some time to get intrigrated

[@hangender]

I hope Jonathan don't make it but the rest of devs, sure

[@KirDzl]

​@@hangenderOh yeah that is how that works. Typical mindless doomer takes.

[@Wobblefest89]

@@hangender why is that, if you don't mind me asking?

[@MikeyJ28]

I normally agree with you, Ziz but some concerning takes here. I do think people are being a tad hysterical but players are get tired of being led on for a game that can function with a skeleton team. Players are vocal because they love the game and have supported it. If PoE players had just left to play other games instead of being vocal, we probably wouldn’t have PoE 1 as long as we have. GGG is incredibly lucky to have had such a dedicated and supportive base for a game as old as Path of Exile.

[@omega1231]

*Some players. Far from everyone who plays or has played PoE1 gives much of a crap about them delaying it, because most people who play PoE also have other things to do. Factually, most people who play PoE play the first month or so of a new league, and then quit for 2-3 months till the next league comes out, GGG knows this. People who play every day for the entirety of a league, are a small minority. Most people who play PoE, are in fact very used to not playing PoE. Also your postulate that if it wasn't for the minority of players who apparently play all the time, there would be no PoE1 today, is mind boggling. That isn't the economic model of GGG, at all. They rely on like the first week of a release of a new league where they sell the absolute majoirty of supporter packs and cosmetics, which is why they have been encouraging their players to not play all the time for years.

[@andrenc3681]

True, but they earned that 'luck' by treating players well over so long. It's not like they haven't deserved their past success!

[@CoalCoalJames]

@@omega1231 STRAW MAN!!! If you make a straw man that big we will all come to put a match to it. Basically I'm saying you are strait up making shit up, you have added thing the OP never said then make augments off that.

[@TreesPlease42]

true that

[@jasonrice6966]

The top end of POE are the ones whining like the world just ended. Get over it and wait or move on.

[@CoalCoalJames]

Why exactly does Ziz describe everyone as being "doomers". I've played poe1 for over 10 years and I'm not "dooming" I'm angry and feel betrayed. I get the feeling that loads of legitimate concerns and criticisms are being downplayed as people bitching, moaning and being "doomers".

[@NickRigas-rd3zv]

Because there are thousands and thousands of doomers, regardless of how you feel

[@somainswakadoad5684]

It's simple, without the game his community as it is doesn't exist. He's not that entertaining, Although I appreciate what he does for the POE community. I think lately he's showing how much he doesn't care about anyone but himself. He's in self preservation mode right now, Hints why he is reacting to someone elses reaction, so that he can have plausible deniability and not be responsible for what's said. Atleast when Ghazzy glazes he does it on his own and makes his own 4 hour stream about doing it.

[@NickRigas-rd3zv]

@ lmfao you are entirely insane

[@thomasguentner8660]

People have every right to be upset and worried. I take "doomers" as the people who have gone to the extreme of not having any faith that it will get better. Yes it sucks. I'm enjoying Poe2, but I really wanted to keep playing 1 as well. But I have seen what GGG has done for so long, and I have faith that they'll fix it eventually, they've just been terrible at their estimated timelines, but other than that they've been very transparent about their process. I think that's the difference between legitimate complaints and "doomers", not giving a company that's been consistently good the benefit of the doubt

[@Sephiroso.]

Have you ever tried using your brain and think that Ziz isn't talking about you when he talks about someone being a doomer? Unless you're of the crowd that's saying PoE1 will never get a league and it's going to be shuttered very soon, then yea you are a doomer. Because that's who Ziz describes is a doomer.

[@Peter_Tissot]

We are living in the Reactions Universe!

[@saltylemonz258]

The thing that I feel like I was lied about is the fact that they know they took devs from poe1 but promised development of poe1 will not be affected. If I knew this will happen, I would have not bought poe2 pack to show my refusal to be neglected but we only got the news when settlers is more than half a year. What a strategy for them. I wasted my money

[@SmexMyPocky]

it's okay, they won't shut down poe1 servers until a year after poe2 is complete so you still have time

[@teitonii]

its so annoying hearing streamers say "good opportunity to do other stuff" because 99.99% of the audience already don't play anywhere near as much as them, and do plenty of other things with their lives. on top of that, if the league launch controls your life to a point where "opportunity to do something else" makes a lick of sense then you still cant do anything becuase GGG ghosted us for 2-3 months and now the next league is theoretically 2-3 months away like it usually is, so while the LAST 2-3 couldve been an opportunity, they weren't because GGG made us think the league should be starting now until they told us they lied their asses off then ghosted, just a couple days ago.

[@AdamTuxTengler]

Everybody: DOOM Mathil: I can finally touch grass :D

[@therealsillybastad]

The people are scared? It just sounds like the streamers are scared for their careers and are fear mongering for clicks

[@iFullgogo]

Based of some calculations I’ve made in terms of how many big patches and small patches needed to fix the game and how long they take to release them, the amount of work, hours etc, I’d say it’ll take about 2-3 years for Poe2 to be ready.

[@BBGLEED]

When the boss lies about what's going on, it kills all goodwill. Transparency after the fact isn't being honest.

[@somainswakadoad5684]

I really don't understand why ziz keeps pushing this "Vote with your wallet, all of the supporter packs you buy are thanking them for what they've done not what they're going to do". Okay that makes sense, except the supporter packs are released before the damn league is and contain skins for the upcoming league. Also, How we gonna do that when we aren't getting updates anymore and no supporter pack to not purchase. I mean really, this is a weird argument.

[@TehBrownie]

here is my thoughts. they left 5 devs on poe1 and the rest where working on POE2. Since doing this . the POE 1 leagues where the best they have been. Now they pull even those 5 devs off the project to poe2. There is no way they keep supporting POE1.

[@TreesPlease42]

20:05 The problem is communication. Their communication is poor. Their marketing is designed to generate hype to create supporter pack sales. This sets expectations high and puts them in a precarious position. By not communicating better, they fan the flames on their audience's fervor.

[@treverjohansen4218]

The hiring thing is not correct necessarily, what can happen is GGG hires an outsourcing company that does not need to immigrate to New zeland they just work remotely and say if their working on some sort of build they upload that build per say on the server aka some sort of cloud server ect. If you're and artist you would upload whatever character armor ect to the cloud server their using. You can see this by just going to art station and looking at all the people around the world artists that are located in various parts of the planet that have helped them make PoE2 this can range from single artists to say even specific outsourcing companies. That being said I just wanted to clarify that not hating on anything from GGG or ZiZ just wanted to make sure the facts were all good.

[@brankokrnic5746]

The biggest issue here is that POE1 and POE2 are different sources of revenue. This means that they are made for two different player groups. Ok that is a solid reasoning. Except that in that case POE2 is not a succesor of POE1. Imagine yourself having a 12 year relationship, and interaction with customer. You tell the customer next product is going to be just as good and even better. Customer buys it but part doesn't even fit and its nowhere as good as the old one. New customers love it because they never had anything better. I believe that all POE1 players would be ok if GGG stop POE1 service if they have made a reall succesor game. Is it that hard to keep the original soul of the game and make it more user friendly and easier to understand. Its not that hard to do. Thousands of games have easy tutorial quests so players are not discouraged from leaving. Instead they opted for, player is dumb so i won't give him crafting. Players are dumb so i will lock skillgems to weapons, ect. That is the vibe i get.

[@nickkalf7667]

I dont see any honest communication here.They new this problem for poe1, before poe 2 release but they communicate that now because they wanted ea sales

[@jimjones9631]

Let me tell you a story as a fan of a little MMO called Final Fantasy 11. It was a great game but it came time that square wanted to release a follow up called Final Fantasy 14. The budget and staff for 11 was sucked up by 14 to get it to release and I'm sure you know exactly what happened there. The game crashed and burned and had to be killed and pulled. While it was in redevelopment for A Realm Reborn, Final Fantasy 11 was given a fractional budget and staffing and was told to push out Seekers of Adoulin and all the money 11 made was siphoned directly into 14 to fund the redevelopment and...it was a success. 14 came out as a massive success and its beloved but now 14 is having its own issues and surprise surprise, 14 budget cuts and staffing for Final Fantasy 16 happened and 14 suffered and now 14 is in the worst state its been in since 1.0. Point is GGG is doing the same thing. People are looking at PoE1 like 11 and are seeing how they're treating it. Some are probably even hesitant to try PoE2 because...whats the point? If you treat poe1 like this eventually you will treat PoE2 like this when you want to make a third game. Even if PoE2 eventually has some massive turn around like A Realm Reborn there will be some people thinking and waiting and rightfully so, for its moment to get its resources stolen for the next game. People aren't counting in for the fact that sure, even if PoE1 gets a league 3 months from now and PoE2 gets polished the reputational scars are going to be there fundamentally.

[@quincestopher8892]

I still play ff11 there is thousands of us!

[@scribbellie]

14 is not in its worst state since 1.0 lmao

[@Sephiroso.]

FFXI was NOT still seeing positive growth like PoE1 was even before FFXIV was conceptualized. So dogshit comparison skills. Do better.

[@jimjones9631]

@@Sephiroso. lol

[@MrRaja]

17:45 Why do people feel forced to play it? It's called Sunk-cost fallacy. We are all addicted to some game someway somehow.

[@revsrevs-so7ge]

As a casual gamer I am still working on all my challenges in Settlers. This has been great, not all of us can spend 4+hours a day. A super long league has allowed me to enjoy the game much more. When you can only spend maybe 1-2 hours per day with no weekends it is a relief to gain all of the rewards instead of missing out due to time constraints.

[@prettybigoof3135]

I'm not worried. They developed and released the best POE1 league so far whilst also working on POE2. These first few months after release were always going to be chaotic. They'll find their groove eventually.

[@MikeyJ28]

Settlers is pretty far from the best league, it just had a pretty good QoL mechanic. The patch state of the game is what is most important and at the moment, PoE 1 is extremely unrewarding. They made a lot of bad decisions like removing sextants but adding T17 mods that require multiple Regex lol

[@vanillaice7749]

@@MikeyJ28 No one cares. Touch grass, redditor.

[@Rat-f7s]

@@MikeyJ28 Game seems plenty rewarding to me from an SSF perspective.

[@TheTayquann]

​@@MikeyJ28 I kinda disagree, there is countless ways to make money in PoE1, making it feel a little to rewarding. The sextant removal did suck but getting a mageblood (or whatever item of choice) and a cracked build is still pretty easy. The only thing that i have yet to get is a raw mirror/chase unique to drop natty (wildwood no count).

[@omega1231]

@@MikeyJ28 It might feel unrewarding compared to the loot explosions of the wild woods, but by any reasonable objective measure it is more or less entirely fine atm

[@kraythe]

Started playing other games. POE1 has died.

[@Kumoii]

Ziz's take on people being scared of the downfall of a company starting somewhere.. That's how I feel. This isn't just some "small" mistake. This was knowingly disregarding your main game for your second one. Which realistically isn't bad, in the sense of putting focus on your new product. But borderline completely disregarding your current MAIN product, is. And even though it may not be how it is that POE1 lovers, like myself, are feeling. It SEEMS like it. It seems like they're putting POE1 on the back burner. Hell, in my initial tweet commenting on delay I said they may as well pull a Blizzard & put POE1 in fuckin' maintenance mode like how Blizzard did Diablo 3. Obviously I hope they don't do that, but at that time & how everything is being handled.. That's how I felt/feel. And another thing Ziz said, is EXACTLY how I felt/feel. Playing POE2, due to me disliking A LOT of things they made/changed. It made me want to play POE1 soooo much more. And the fact that.. I basically can't. Cause I'm not going to play a dead game mode in SC Trade ( my main go-to for every League ), HC, HCSSF especially or SSF ( I did try SSF, don't enjoy it as much as SC Trade ). So, I'm sitting here with not much to do because I WANT & PREFER to be playing POE1 right now. I would've been knee deep into a new POE1 league, had things worked out by now or getting ready too. And now I'm sitting here semi-bored because there's not much for me to do ( there is, but as I said, I just prefer/want to be playing POE1 ). BUT I DO trust GGG. They've did more than enough to earn that from me, it just fuckin' sucks Lol

[@sebastianholsclaw]

That’s been the core fear: it’s been clear for a long time that Jonathan isn’t a fan of POE1. I don’t think he’s actively thwarting it, but he isn’t interested in focusing on it.

[@Kumoii]

@@sebastianholsclaw Yeahhhh.. That's the feelin' I've gotten from him for a WHILE myself as well. I really do miss us having Chris working/bringing ideas to POE1 & having his input. Because a LARGE portion of the changes that Jonathan has implemented.. I've hated. Like ruining mana reservation, removing the masteries of auras & a bunch of other shit. Those are just the two that come to mind Lol

[@Wupti300]

I completely understand your frustration at least from your point of view (your MAIN game is being neglected). I also fully understand the situation from GGGs point of view, they are a business and all their KPIs right now are suggesting they focus on POE2, the player retention is their main focus so if they can keep the POE2 player base going with a good 0.2.0 patch then that is what they should prioritize from a business standpoint. I know a new league is a lot more interesting but like most streamers are pointing out POE1 is in a very good state and nobody is stepping anyone from playing it. POE2 has a lot more bugs that needs fixing so focusing on the burning platform makes a lot of sense. It is frustrating, but fixing POE2 will probably be the thing that saves POE1 in the long run. If money runs out then it will be POE1 that gets cut since the player base and player retention for POE2 is so much higher. So hopefully they can launch 0.2.0 soon, and then focus on POE1. The biggest mistake would be to not have a succesful 0.2.0 patch, that would be bad for both games.

[@Kumoii]

@@Wupti300 The issue though is them neglecting POE1. Or rather making promises & not following up on said promises. For ME, I'm the kind of person that if you break a promise. Especially over & over, you will eventually lose my trust. And that's how a lot of people feel, even the streamers. Although I'm a bit more extreme on it LMAOO But in regards to POE2, I dislike a majority of it for NOW. Doesn't mean that I wont like it later on once improvements come & so on. But for now, nahh game does not feel good to play. Most people that're okay with POE2, are the casual aRPG player base & the new aRPGs coming onto the aRPG scene via POE2. So a lot of em' don't quite understand why us veteran aRPG players dislike certain things or why we'd get upset & yadda yadda. But as I said, I trust GGG & know they'll do the right thing and know they'll make POE2 an amazing game. Even if I'm not the target audience for it at all. POE1 is 100% in an amazing state, the issue isn't the base game of POE. The issue is that the Leagues for both SC Trade & HC Trade are DEAD. Especially HC, since most people don't like HC in general. And a large portion don't like SSF either because SSF requires a considerable amount of prior aRPG knowledge on top of current POE knowledge/crafting knowledge. So, in that sense.. No, we can't play anything. In regards to POE1. THANKFULLY their announcement of this event, which sounds fuckin' sick especially for Witch players.. Could be some insane fun. And in regards to the money side of it, yeah I know them investing & putting a majority of their focus on POE2 IS the right move. But you will ALWAYS get backlash from people who're playing your first game. That's just the nature of things. However the people who go overboard & sent threats and so on.. Fuck them. Back to the event, them doing THAT is enough for me. Even though it's not a brand new League, it's something different than Settlers. Mind you, I like/liked Settlers. Don't have anything against it outside of the shit/ruined economy LOL

[@Wupti300]

@@Kumoii Absolutely fair, only thing I wanted to point out was that GGG did the logical thing in this situation despite pissing off part of their older player base. I truly believe they were caught by surprise by the amount of players coming to POE2 EA and had to spend too many resources on putting out fires that then snowballed. What I find refreshing is that they come hat in hand and own up to the mistakes and apologize to the POE1 players. Over the years POE have always made mistakes but have also always listened to the critique that they got and course corrected. Therefore I fully trust that they will do the same again. I really like both games, but for different reasons, POE1 has insane depth which is awesome while I do like the updated combat and boss fights in POE2. It definitely needs polishing and there is stuff that still doesn't make a lot of sense (like crafting and the killing rare mob map completion and trying to fix with checkpoints instead of just highlightíng the rare mobs on the minimap from beginning of the map) I honestly think showing rare mobs on the minimap from the start would alleviate alot of the mapping frustration for players. For POE1 I have 2 things I dislike, the need to do the campaign everytime you wanna try a new class and T17 mapping (I know I can just opt out of these, but you definitely feel like you're missing out if you are not doing them in the current state of the game) Do you already have a build in mind for the event?

[@thatblindtekkenwarrior1177]

If Covid told us anything, is that you don't need to travel to an office to program. I'm not sure exactly how the laws work, but just because someone's not in New Zealand shouldn't mean that they can't be employed. And they definitely don't need to be in an officeto work with a team. Again, we seen this with Covid.

[@iDrkTV]

I've heard such different and random information about where Chris is, or what happened with Chris.. Does anybody actually know?

[@SERIOUSONEWORDNAME]

When I buy a supporter pack, I specifically buy it when I want to show them I want more of something. When I started sentinel league and realized it was exactly what I wanted, I buy a supporter pack to show I want that style league. I do not buy it for what I have enjoyed up to that point. When lake of kalandra came out, I quit the game for over a year, when I came back for crucible, I bought a supporter pack to say " I want more of this direction, Not what you just got done doing".

[@benjaminross4605]

Sounds like you've been making purchases for the wrong reason - you bought skins and stash tabs, not shares in the company.

[@Sephiroso.]

@@benjaminross4605 Sounds like you made a dumb ass comment. GGG isn't a publicly owned company. It's privately owned. There is no "shares" in the company you can buy. You'd have to be a venture capitalist firm to even have the possibility of buying a portion of GGG back from Tencent.

[@benjaminross4605]

@ Lol, what does that have to do with supporter packs? I never said he could buy shares - I said supporter packs didn't make him an investor...

[@Sephiroso.]

@ No what you said was he's been making purchases for the wrong reasons. Alluding to the fact he should have been shares in the company, not skins and stash tabs. Your statement would be fine if it was even possible to buy shares in the company, the fact that you can't makes your statement simply dumb as hell.

[@benjaminross4605]

@@Sephiroso. I did not "allude to the fact that he should be purchasing shares". You can't just act like a shareholder because the shares aren't for sale. He bought cosmetics and stash tabs and expecting more is what's "dumb as hell". You don't just get to decide on extra obligations post-purchase.

[@JessieWiggls]

They killed my favorite game for a Beta test.

[@neyedol]

GGG should have limited EA by volume to balance resources, leveraged Tencent devs for bug bounty, and set a sunset on EA to allow offline patching/fixes/resource allocation.

[@ruibarian5187]

It is not GGG's responsibility to provide a better world for people. It's something they try to do because they are good people. Being mad at them for not living up to the standards they set for themselves is fueling the darkness in the world.

[@DJFariel]

The problem with timelines is that there's literally no such thing as an "on time" project. Timelines are deadlines. At the end of the deadline, they have to ship what's ready. If the deadline doesn't exist, they'll keep pushing and piling things on forever. This isn't a GGG-specific problem, this is just how projects work. GGG cares about what they do, and it's abundantly clear. That's why they push deadlines. They don't want to give you blizzard slop.

[@RozKounelakion]

Don't say logical shit on here man the community doesn't like it. Especially when people are having a meltdown because they won't have an update for their favorite toy for a year

[@Borsecann]

@@RozKounelakion Also isn't them giving a "timeline" estimate on 3.26 one of the things that came to bite them back in the ass and is being used as ammo by the doom n gloomers in the first place ? Don't see why they would shoot themselves in the foot twice

[@dragonriderabens9761]

​@@RozKounelakion my bigger issue is the term "blizzard slop" as if everything Bliz puts out is bad purely based on brand name 1. it's BS based on D4 being intended for a different audience than PoE. a more casual audience. really tried of PoE fanboys conflating casual for slop. or just blindly hating on Bliz based on the brand name. you want an ARPG that is actual slop? Take a look at Undecember 2. Brand names mean nothing. GGG is not guaranteed to put out a banger (in fact they often fuck up by sticking to bone headed design choices that completely contradict what they state their goals are. they constantly claim PoE1 was supposed to encourage experimentation, but with how easy it is to brick a build and how impossible it is to respec and unbrick it, that is just blatantly never going to happen) and Bliz is not guaranteed to fuck up. not unless you willingly blind yourself to the good Bliz does and the bad GGG does, in which case, you openly admit to being a GGG fanboy/Bliz hater

[@lolsalad52]

​​@@dragonriderabens9761d4 isnt just labled bad by Poe players/d4 isnt the only game blizzard has made, basically anything wow these days has been slop and hated by a large majority of people, overwatch fell hard and ow2 failed spectacularly. Majority of modern blizzard products are hated by more people than enjoy them d4 is quite literally the only title that has more mixed feelings.

[@stealingclay]

Blizzard deserves the shit they get. GGG needs to hire a community manager and not over share when clearly they are flyng by the seat of their pants in regards to their pants

[@The_Grimsun]

Unfortunately for me I lost my job last week. Was hoping it meant some hardcore POE time as I looked for a job, but knowing my luck I will get into a new job a week before league start and be super busy. But it is what it is. Hopefully that new little mini league they plan to drop will be fun. Edit: yeah the purchasing things making people entitled is also MAJOR. I always saw it like Ziz and other where you pay money when you enjoy the game you are playing, but a lot of people think I bought this so I could enjoy it for the next few years. And since I can't play poe or use my skins in poe2 yet, I am being scammed.

[@bennym8720]

100% agree with the touch grass take, people getting way too rowdy over this haha

[@sethjones6572]

Chris took his ten cent money and bailed lol

[@andrewmccune2895]

Are you really this stupid?

[@maxschwediauer9808]

the community shitted so hard on chris i would run too

[@BrandonsUsername]

@@maxschwediauer9808 For a decent reason though. He was so against PoE being a -game- instead of a job. He insisted on making things as tedious and RNG layered as possible. Harvest was teh most accessible league ever and Chris called it 'ruining the game'. He was so against power fantasy and player power.

[@CoalCoalJames]

OR~ A man worked hard for over a decade and is now stepping back and relaxing.

[@sethjones6572]

@@CoalCoalJames yeah, bailed lol

[@ukdnbmarsh]

POE is a live game, POE2 is still in dev so why not get POE1 up and running again

[@sethjones6572]

That would make sense

[@jinjerjunkie]

Well when the head guy at GGG says he can't even go back to POE 1 now I think that gives you an idea...

[@frankkeck3114]

Because PoE 2 is the future of the company. The problem is resource allocation, not where the focus lies. Focus should be on the future of the company, while also keeping a small team exclusively working on PoE 1. So many forget gaming is a business, and decisions will also fall in favor of what is better for business. whether PoE players like it or not, PoE 2 and it's development is better for business.

[@jinjerjunkie]

@@frankkeck3114 Damn bro, take it easy, some of us are in mourning here...

[@MikeyJ28]

@@frankkeck3114 What’s better for business is keeping *both* games on a regular schedule as they promised. If you want to talk about business, let’s look at revenue. PoE 1 supporter packs is what partially funded PoE 2 and as long as GGG doesn’t neglect their original playerbase, they will support them. I do not believe GGG should be supported with supporter packs anymore. The money primarily goes to Tencent.

[@Jiggerjaw]

Mathil looks like a completely different, even sexier dude with that haircut.

[@chrislastname1994]

So they don't have game devs in new Zealand? If they don't then it shouldn't be hard to show the government they need to hire someone from outside of new Zealand. I'm sorry, but this cope about it being difficult for them to hire is just insane.

[@dertyp1769]

It's not even that hard to show it, just need to wait for 3 weeks without a suitable response to your job posting. (Which apparently isnt even that different to other countries) Also outsourcing works just like everywhere else.

[@MichaelSmith-bh6xd]

Yea it's not that hard to get staff here in nz they have to live here though ... that's the hard part alot of the super skilled people they need either don't want to move to new Zealand or can't due to the upfront cost of moving around the world

[@GeneisHavoc]

Even if they hired people right now, which they are likely doing those new hires don't just automagically understand what they are looking at and the tools they are working with. Hiring isn't the magical instant fix people want to think it is.

[@chrislastname1994]

@GeneisHavoc not saying it's a magical fix. Simply saying that the excuse of its hard to hire people doesn't work. Regardless, you will never get new people up to speed if you don't bring in new people....

[@Adiuva1]

@@GeneisHavoc Absolutely. My job is relatively simple in scope, just multiple processes and nuances to said processes. Aside from handling basic busywork, I don't expect someone new on my team to be slamming through stuff until they have been here a minimum of 3-6 months. That on top of them being incredibly busy working on PoE2, I am sure the training isn't as ideal as they would like either.

[@Koroar]

A big part of it is just reddit, that website is a bottomless pit of negativity. Literally anything positive gets buried because people only engage with ragebait. Yes, this situation sucks, but if you think it's the "end" for PoE or GGG you are genuinely mental.

[@callmeaboomer]

They making New customers with poe2 and thats could only be benefical for the company itself. New customers = more Money. Yeah i get it, short Term its kinda Bad for poe1 but longterm its good for GGG and poe1.

[@Venormous98]

y'all def loving taking things out of context. PoE 1 was literally being gutted as we watched but since y'all had no issue with that, you decided to pretend it was PoE/GGG as a whole. No one said anything about PoE-verse, just that GGG were using underhanded tactics to kill a very thriving PoE1 for the sake of PoE 2, which is currently in a shitshow state.

[@kaisorz1]

The hiring in NZ thing isn't quite true. NZ has a very generous visa system at the moment for anyone working within software development, like straight to residence visas to attract that type of talent. Yes there are some forms and things to fill in, but it's not at all impossible. GGG want to be a NZ company to maintain culture and control. That's a perfectly legitimate reason. It's also pretty common for companies not want to grow too big, gaming is very feast or famine and having too big of a company might cause issues in the long run.

[@maksymisaiev1828]

The point of it is harder to invite in NZ is a bit hard. Like if you literally don't have people applying on position means that there is no expertise. And there are cases in Europe with the similar laws and they can somehow hire people from abroad while having bigger population. So this part I find hard to believe that NZ is a bad guy. It is no willingness from GGG to earn more people. And for people saying that they don't hire more people due to "fire coverage", that is a bit bad take as well. Like yeah, it would work if they can't handle the temporarily increased load, but this is literally the second game. You for sure will have people to work on it. The "fire coverage" is hiring support team. Hiring dev team to be able to support 2 games (which is obvious that it is needed) is not "fire coverage". If they took small poe1 dev team, that is approximate amount of people they can hire, because they need at least that amount to develop both games.

[@jetfa9]

It will come eventually. Ill play other games in the meantime.

[@joelhodoborgas]

Bro embraced full copium calling people sad about not having a new poe1 league doomer lol, weird shit

[@will968]

pretty sure he's talking directly to the people saying "GG GGG it's been a fun ride" or something along those lines, lol.

[@Adiuva1]

@@will968 Yeah and he has explained multiple times the people that he is referring to as doomers lol.

[@Onesevensevenzerothirteen]

Personally all i wanted was some sort of event or reset while we wait for 0.2 to come out. Now that ggg has announced they have a 1 month event planned for poe1 im perfectly satisfied with plaything that until 0.2.

[@uhqliss8537]

My biggest concern with poe 2 is the feedback from all the noobs. Games gonna go to shit if they listen to them but they're the overwhelming majority.

[@karldergrosse-333]

Incredibly underrated point right here.

[@yimwee2401]

Yup, hopefully ggg can realize ~80% of those players will probably never return once they've had their fill.

[@Scheckler27]

The noobs know more about what makes a game good than you do, so keep it shut. The concern is listening to self proclaimed elite bozos.

[@KazekanAgiel]

GGG are quite opinionated. I highly doubt they’ll cave in to all the “noobs” considering they don’t even cave in to all the elitists and long-time players at every turn.

[@omega1231]

@@KazekanAgiel Which is good honestly, let them have their vision. It's nice to finally have a game developer that just develops the game they want to develop instead of cowtowing to whatever will give them the golden ticket to "mass appeal".

[@K1m9857]

The reason why blizzard went to shit is because the good devs left early Especially after releasing the masterpieces that blizzard is know for, ie starcraft 1, warcraft 3, diablo 2 After those games were released, blizzard went bad because they fired everyone who worked on those games

[@Sephiroso.]

They didn't fire good people that worked on those games. They quit because the culture at Blizzard was trash and Blizzard didn't keep up with other studios in how much they pay their employees/benefits for the area they are located in. Especially not after they were bought. Back in Blizzard's heyday, you never once heard of massive layoffs. Those people left of their own accord.

[@K1m9857]

@Sephiroso. point still stands Thank you though for adding more :)

[@K1m9857]

@Sephiroso. they all left around the time sc2 was in production right? Roughly

[@vbarknath]

I think the main issue is that we don't see anyone from the company "fighting" for PoE1. It is all poe 2 this poe2 that. If every single person in the company can be called in to work on PoE2 then there is noone left that pull in the other direction. To have two games run at same time you need to have equal passion for both games. It is hard to fault anyone for doom-thinking/reaction to this situation. The last year and a half, maybe even two we have had a very minimal skeleton crew sitting firm with PoE1. While the reduction has been both very noticable and worrysome to a lot of us, them going to the step of fully pull everyone to poe2 has broken the final straw for a lot of trust people had with the company.

[@ss5gogetunks]

I usually buy supporter packs when I think that the content reveal looks really cool and/or goes in a direction I like. So it's kinda halfway between your take and what other people's. E.G. I bought a supporter pack for Settlers but didn't for Expedition because I was stoked on the QoL changes for Settlers and was unhappy about the nerfs in Expedition.

[@Epiddemic1]

Want to preface with, POE is one of my most played games and I've spent a very reasonable amount of money on the project. It is an insane amount of game for literally free, which is mind blowing. It's a gold standard for quality in regards to what you need to pay to play.. So I'm not complaining just giving my take. Yes conceptually recent POE1 leagues have been strong or interesting, but you can tell when GGG defunded their projects. Zero voice acting, copy paste achievement messages, lack of support after drop. They used to support for a month or two after the game released.. Now they drop it like it's hot, and walk out of the room, suspiciously similar to how POE2 was launched. I think when tencent bought out, their passion dropped pretty dramatically and they are held captive in their gilded cage. I still think it's a great and fun game, but you can tell their investment REALLY died when down Heist fell a little flat.. They don't even voice act Kalandra, zero lore in any of the recent leagues.. i don't care about that stuff but I think it's an indicator they aren't reinvesting money in quality. (not that GGG ever really nailed quality) I think Chris helped reign Jonathan in... Jonathan is clearly idealistic dreamer, and Chris is a control manager. Jonathan isn't being reigned in since Chris has been doing what ever he is doing. (counting money). Pretty sure when Tencent purchased Chris gained disinterest, especially noticeable when Reddit crowd made threats to GGG staff. That's when the attitude really shifted to "us" vs them.

[@LittleBilly1620]

Imagine the one commenting comparing a video game company taking ownership to a commercial airline crashing and killing 70 people. The insanity of that comment is astounding.

[@magemanscrub2954]

All this drama is preparing me for the birth of my second child.

[@ravecsucks6192]

I literally buy supporter packs for supporting a game I love playing and want to continue see being developed properly.

[@shawn4387]

What hilarious is they will never be able to please this audience now they are going to take people off poe 2 to get Poe 1 league going and people will complain about Poe 2 not being updated 😂

[@matthewgrimes7889]

ziz glazing so hard his chin is glistening

[@CoalCoalJames]

And dribbling with hungry idiots below him waiting for the scraps of GOO~!

[@troymccracken8500]

How is any of this not copium?

[@KarizmaKai]

im not even close to scared they have done wonders since poe 1 beta

[@young_herc]

this is the thought process people need to have, let them cooooook

[@samhyde2339]

@@young_herc Copium

[@CodexGB]

@@samhyde2339 Typical Ape response

[@joelhodoborgas]

Yeah but no Chris this time.

[@CoalCoalJames]

Yea I have hope~ But I'm still angry and feel betrayed.

[@hi_its_fire5672]

man holy crap i agree with ziz so much on the "poe 2 is great, but it just makes me want to play poe 1 more" thats 100% how i felt the entire time.

[@sassysaddles9981]

im one of those poe1 players, i watch every poe1 league announcement and preview on twitch at 5 am ignoring that day's work, if my game was on fire it would be morally wrong for me to take holiday break, i would get back in that office and try to fix this shit, after everything is stabilized then i would go on a break, 30 dollar cashgrab and then disappearing for month is scummy

[@seanmartens8740]

I don't think they can afford to release a POE1 league now. People will clearly remember the divide between the games and flock back to POE1 leaving them without a test base of players

[@Tepraider]

I really dislike people waving away PoE1 players' frustration as being entitled, or the game being 13 years old so it had to end eventually, and that GGG should focus on the new game instead of the old one. PoE1 was gaining more and more players every patch, and was growing constantly. It wasn't a dying game. It's like Epic making Fortnite 2 and stopping support for Fortnite indefinetly, or Riot Games doing the same with LoL. For people that do not play PoE1, the problem with a league being longer that 3 months is much more than just people whining because of the lack of content. After 1 month of a league majority of the players leave. Because the largest percent of players play trade, this lack of players fundamentally changes the game. The economy has an overabundance of easy to farm items which makes them worthless, and the lack of players makes the prices of certain items sky high or even non-existant. So if you wanted to get something that comes from the content you don't enjoy, you have a problem. You cannot trade for it, you have to do that content. This is not only about the lack of new content, but how the economy resets and player numbers impact the game on a fundamental level. Of couse there are some players that play SSF, which forbids them from trading. But those players are the minority compared to trade league players. As for the money part, I totally agree that players should stop giving GGG money if they don't agree with the direction the company is going in. One caveat I have with it, is that I would never buy POE2 early access if I knew it would delay a new PoE1 league so much. Them withholding this information made me lose all my goodwill towards them, and I don't see myself supporting them with money ever again. Lastly, please don't go and attack Jonathan or other inviduals - it's unhinged. Being unsatisfied with the company as a whole however, I would say is totally deserved for how they overused some people's trust in them. EDIT: Looking at some other comments, I don't understand the argument of "just go play something else". I'm doing that, but I wanna play an ARPG, and compared to PoE1 everything else seems bland in comparison.

[@jangryczka1985]

I really hope the best case scenario will be: they made mistakes, many mistakes with poe 1 even the last one just being the latest. But owned up to them and fixed them on way or another. It's hard at this moment with many core systems changing, but they're aware for example endgame is fuckerd. It's hard at this moment but they built over the years my confidence in them, so I believe then can fix it and wish them the best, if it happens, only time will tell.

[@josecardona1563]

I think we take GGG for granted. In my opinion it was the right move. They don't want to deliver a half-ass league or have a half-ass release of POE 2 EA. Mathil nails it in this video. Take a break, give them some time to give us an amazing product like they always have.

[@Ashgan9]

I found I didn't want to go back to PoE1 even more, is it perfect, no, but it fixes a ton of frustrations I had with the first game and I don't see myself ever going back to deal with them again.

[@MartoRoss]

15:15 While yes they were doing games for 13 years PoE2 has a lot of problems that should have been fixed already cuz is stuff that it was fixed in PoE1 in the last 2 Years for example Shard/currency siphoning, stack currencies instead of individual, the Well (something that its confirmed that a lot of testers and content creators said "this should be changed" and they stick with it when its the dumbest thing in the world) etc. I trust GGG but they make me doubt them time and time again, the have so much good faith to cash out but they're burning it at an accelerated pace... I don't want them to crash.

[@TreesPlease42]

Why no events? 1 month mini-leagues with madness and a boss race?

[@Francorocco]

they anounced earlier today that they gonna do a 1 month event with 19 new ascendancies instead of the current ones

[@TreesPlease42]

called it

[@daladinn]

I'll still fall on this sword. add in hit splitting as a way to help armor. str armor implicit for 10-20% , keystone set in bottom left , and a titan passive. run the math , its an "easy " fix for the life tanks

[@doctorsticks]

Poe 1 looks like a 1970s arcade when i went back to play the private leagues i just could'nt the game looked so old now im sure many other players just cant go back to poe 1 after trying 2 was the same with dark souls and elden ring with me

[@ivaniivanovi4408]

ziz take on runes as being "hard work" of GGG is so hilarious. It's like a guy who was edged hard got a relief and now in love. LMAO.

[@dontmindme2844]

An old game like PoE1 survives with regularity (i.e. a new league every 3-4 months). It's like going to the gym...once you stop going, it's easy to keep not going. I think this is a huge mistake.

[@Kore_Invalid]

curious for the POE1 players will the event they announced be enough to bridge the gap?

[@Se7en7upp]

they shouldnt have say poe 2 will be released in 6-12 months window, they should have kept working with the small team on poe 1 while working on poe 2 and it will come out when it come out. I prefer a well made product at the end than rushed to fit a window

[@MGTarkus]

It really makes no sense to throw the Christmas break thing in there as Ben not being charitable. They quite literally chose a bad time to (early) release their game. They knew better than we did how poorly of a state the game was in, hence pulling the devs off poe1 and the many delays. It’s not saying fuck em they don’t deserve a break, it’s saying it doesn’t deserve our compassion when the issue only exists because of very poor time management and planning on part of GGG. The first few months are the most crucial in a barely tested online arpg on this kind of scale. They know this and have vast experience and knowledge on the topic, yet they chose to release the game when they knew they wouldn’t have the time to upkeep it and provide customer support to all the people facing critical issues. I’m not a doomer, I love poe1&2 a lot. I’m still playing poe2 grinding nonsense in the end game because I love it. Yet, there’s no sense in senselessly defending poor planning and then calling people who point it out as “uncharitable”. It was just released at the worst time imaginable and in turn paying customers and supporters suffered for it.

[@izzux2121]

The thing is what people still forget besides their poe1 bias ( i love poe1 dont get me wrong ) .. there are alot of people that care about poe1 but at the same time there are atleast 10x more people caring the same way about poe2 , and with the man power GGG has they just had to decide which one is the focus.

[@420Millar]

I love how people are still thinking Poe2 is going to be good.. what we got IS their good idea.

[@livingforwhat2172]

you probably won't read this, but ben's point wasn't that there aren't "updates". he meant it as in the game is in early-access and they should do way more balancing (he's been pretty vocal since the 0.1.1 patch that they are scared about changing Herald abuse and stuff like that.). otherwise the game will take forever to be in a playable state, since they could break stuff when they fix other stuff, especially since it's this early in the game and a lot of classes aren't even out. at least that's what i got from watching both his videos (the 0.1.1 and the rant). tl;dr he's not saying they aren't doing anything. he's saying they aren't doing anything balance-wise, which should be prioritized in EA.

[@panda93247]

I hate it when someone tells me "vote with your wallet." Voting with your wallet only works to a degree. Look at Diablo Immortal, it still exists. It hasn't changed. It is still using predatory af monetization schemes even though a large amount of people have since quit the game, with many never having ever started. There needs to be a better way of dealing with game companies than simply not buying their products, because it simply isn't enough.

[@fpsMAGEZ]

Great background noise for work, ty ziz

[@Alias_Fakename]

Damn, Ziz's hair looks great.

[@grimkhor]

What is wild to me is that if you purchased a support pack in poe 1 this league like me you were promised that you support the game and all the money with the team went into poe 2. This is so bad in my opinion and nobody is talking about it I chose to give my money to poe 1 and not poe 2 given the promise of development and they lied about it.

[@omegasybers1110]

You paid for PAST content

[@grimkhor]

@@omegasybers1110 You sound like someone justifying a crypto scam

[@colto2312]

it's FRAUD; the have defrauded the players

[@omegasybers1110]

@@grimkhor You got your points and cosmetics. There was never "this supporter pack will pay for PoE1 development" and I think complaining about that is a bit silly.

[@grimkhor]

@@omegasybers1110 what do you support with a supporter pack? If they would have been truthful I would have not purchased overpriced mtx to support a free game.

[@LikeACrouton]

They'll either have to expand the company a good amount or drop PoE 1, temporarily or otherwise. Cuz yeah PoE 2 is gonna take a lot of work even now, I'm not sure how they can balance both.

[@m96k3y7]

Was like, ok its "fun" in poe 2, but cant wait to go back to poe 1 again. Later that day... GGG : yeah good luck with that.

[@rustygaming7881]

3.26 needs to revert completely back to 3.13 gameplay and just allow for two completely separate games. the crafters and zoomers have their game and GGG can develop poe2 the way they want.

[@naywils]

The worst part for me is the game has been ramping and getting much better lately and now its just flat lined with nothing new. The game is still worth playing even after so long with no content, but people really like a fresh start and everyone playing together again. But once poe1 is scrapped ill just step away to another game.

[@allanribeiro2610]

The problem that can happen are : they keeping rescheduling 3.26 again and again > poe2 have not a certified player base , it hasnt pass the test of time as poe1 > poe1 players stopping suport poe1 because of delays > then we have 2 options . 1) poe2 becomes really sucessful and then they shut down poe1 because it isnt profitable (even thought it was their decisions that made us got on this point) . 2) poe2 becomes really unsucessuful , and then the question becomes how much more time and money they are willing to sink on poe2 leaving poe 1 to dust? like bro its only EA and they have to get all poe1 developers , if there such a rush on EA imagine it later

[@fuzzywinkle8310]

I followed your logic till the end, i don’t think they will be stuck on Poe 2. For now yes, but they are just behind is all. More people working there isn’t necessarily a good thing, I’d rather have 100 really good passionate developers and wait an extra year vs higher a bunch of people and then get Diablo 4

[@kgar06]

The whole "you must prove to the NZ government that there isnt anyone in country that can do this job" is horrible. I can see where its beneficial: providing employment to its citizens first, but its so bad on so many levels. This stifles business growth. As businesses, we want to hire the most qualified individual, regardless of country of origin, race, religion, gender, political beliefs etc... the best person for the job so that my company can thrive and make the most amount of money while simultaneously putting out amazing products at a reasonable price and pace. This feeds into the #1 priority of a business: increase stakeholders $$. Simple facts. If quality isn't your #1 priority (which feeds into everything else), then your business likely will suck. So this would seem like a an 'NZ first' policy... no one batting an eye. And Im sure there are other policies similar to this where NZ is putting its own citizens first. Great. And then countries bash other countries like the US for trying to do something similar. I dont understand. They (the US) are, at least right now, trying putting their citizens first. Sort of a side-rant... sorry! lol

[@snoofos]

“All it did was make me wanna play PoE1 even more” - that was exactly me, so come the news, you can imagine how sad this sentiment of “all our focus needs to be on PoE2” made me. All the focus does not need to be on PoE2 they just chose that way to go, that’s what’s unsettling and scary because of how dedicated some fans are of the original game. I would figure there is no rush on PoE2, it’s early access, you will change a lot, we need our consistency and reliability of PoE1 leagues to maintain the love for the game. Not sour our vision of PoE2 because of what it did to PoE1 lol (especially after being promised it wouldn’t impact PoE1)

[@gottobekidingme]

i dont mind items being so rng IF MORE FUCKING ITEMS DROPED LVLING

[@archangel5361]

Chris retired a while ago. Jonathan might as well if PoE2 does not sell as well as Tencent expects.

[@cirian6485]

On the point of Ben's takes on not enough changes, I think, and im not 100% sure i think this is unreasonable considering how many people come to the defence of GGG under the its early access guise - that he is considering it kinda similiar to how Blizzard works. Blizzard as a company is very unflexible they are so slow at putting out updates and changes that are needed. As a whole GGG is immensely better than Blizzard for their flexibility and response time to issues. The exception however is how they handle their betas and I presume that that is what Ben is expecting out of GGG right now. During beta Blizzard routinely is putting out patches and adjustments every day or every two days. Not always big ones, sometimes just small ones. Many changes are better done iteratively than all at once. I think Ben's point is this situation of getting changes and updates only once a month or so or less is basically the development pacing of a fully released game, not one still actively in development.

[@nickh4354]

I dont think there's any reason to be screaming and pissing and shitting online, it sucks that there is a delay on 1 and 2 came out raw. We all know they'll get both games going at full speed eventually and it'll blow every other arpg out of the water. Just be patient lol

[@ausyben]

the problem is, we DON'T know both games will be running in sync, plans change, companies change, the reason people are worried about PoE 1 is because they told us hard lines they wouldn't cross, and then crossed them, they could very easily shut down PoE 1 and focus entirely on PoE 2, there's nothing saying they wont other than their word, and they just lied to us..

[@MrMarwan48]

Grow up dude. Give them time everything will be worked out. This is no blizzard/EA​@@ausyben

[@ausyben]

@ what does "growing up" have to do with anything? simply stating we have no confirmed date, no announcement, no league name, no work being done, devs still on poe 2 for an indefinite amount of time, after specifically saying they wouldn't do that, only to then be told months later when we're expecting the next league announcement, that there's been no work done and there's nothing coming soon? "this isn't blizzard" blizzard was a great company when it started, companies change.

[@TreesPlease42]

They were dishonest about POE1 progress for 3+ months

[@TheSygear]

25:18 They deserve the christmas break, but all the things they did were not that impactful. Tuning down some skills, doing some bugfixes and bringing obvious QoL changes is something that should come out without the whole reddit burning. Now the next patch at end of the week is again, nothing interesting. Obviously bugfixes and now we can finally see the Map content on the map, such a small and obvious change which PoE1 needs aswell, yet we only reached the point NOW. We still don't know what is coming next. We have still 6 more classes with its 18 ascendancies ON TOP with the 6 for the current 6 classes to go PLUS ALL THE BALANCING FOR THEM TOO. We are completly in the dark and have nothing to look forward. When is the next class going to come out? Do we maybe get the rest of the ascendancies for the current classes? Are they going to do something about the crafting? Maybe a bench finally? It is so much stuff. And we know nothing but that they come...in the "near" future.

[@RedBozse]

They specifically asked us to support the game so they can keep developing it, how is that not selling a promise of a future rather than selling you what they made so far? I find this to be such an odd take as it's literally how the supporter model has been setup and communicated. Not saying we can expect the game to be developed forever just because we bought a supporter pack but at the end of the day we payed for a promise of continued development. They then took that money and developed another game that was supposed to be the same game but then changed their minds and made it a standalone game that it widely different. This also means no new character models for PoE 1, no new skill system, no new what ever else they promised during PoE 2 development before they split the games. It's great that you're optimistic but looking at PoE 2, even though I can see it being a great game eventually, it's also very different and taking the studio in a different direction that I'm sure I'm not the only one fears will bleed over to PoE 1 and change that game over time as well. End rant mode. =/

[@edgewizz862]

It’s not even bad, like what is the problem? I still like playing POE 1 regardless. I’ll just start a new build and see what I can do with it, settlers or not. Streamers farming for content are dangerous, they plant seeds of discord and sway public opinion. Same thing happened with the item rarity issue that wasn’t even an issue. Streamers came out in force to complain about it then all of a sudden everyone started acting like it was a problem. No new league means no fresh content, that’s the real problem . Open your eyes people.

[@dertyp1769]

Most streamers i saw changed their opinions about rarity just like a normal person would. Also I wouldn't write that under a Ziz video where he is defending GGG throughout

[@nephalemd3654]

That was most hilarious moment of dev stream, when Ghazzy took a breath and asked: "what about rarity problem?" Jonathan and Mark answered "not a problem, work as intended" I laughed so hard 😄 They milk it so brutal - first they received thousands subs thanks to pet twitch drop, then their family members streamed while they slept and now they farm youtube views by making drama...

[@brankokrnic5746]

Most streamers including Ziz did their utmost best to hide their disappointment, it was painful to watch after they did event testing. Their enthusiasm was forced and they all hoped for the best. And then Ben makes a honest video from his perspective and all can finally say what they were thinking all along. Some are still coping with the fact that POE2 is not succesor they wanted.