Zombie planes of War Thunder

[@TheRealKiRBEY]

The fact that the algorythm can be so easily abused just shows how absolutly LAZY the devs are fuck gaijin

[@kirishima638]

They’re very good at making money, which to them is all that matters.

[@ironchiri5251]

​@@kirishima638can't blame them tho, if you're dev you wanna make money obviously

[@ratatataget]

​@@ironchiri5251 and the player base shoud hate on them for this. the problem is that there isnt any game like warthunder

[@NayuzAqua]

​@@ratatatagetthe only other tank game (talking about only the tanks) was Armored Warfare... but man it's sad the state of that game..

[@ratatataget]

@@NayuzAqua I think that armored warfare is more in the wot arcade part but it is sad allowing those companies abuse their almost monopoly style power to milk us from every penny

[@ALE199-ita]

It's fun to see how Dead By Daylight and War Thunder both share balance ideas on how to balance their game

[@Liniyka]

Any context? I'm afraid I haven't played that game at all

[@ALE199-ita]

@@Liniyka Oh my than you are lucky! I'm glad you never played the game because that was the biggest mistake I've done. Imagine a Community on par to league of Legends for toxicity and devs as good as balance as those of War Thunder who just looks at numbers. The Balance is even far worse I'd say because atleast in War Thunder if someone is using a broken plane, you can use a broken plane of your own but Dead By Daylight is Asymetrical which means if someone has a broken tactic, you are straight up fucked, sure there used to be time where broken tactic vs broken tactic was a thing but the devs nerfed one side and left the other side alone. Now the breaking point for me was just the community, and the fact the game is unbalanced to hell made it worse because if you aren't playing with the top tier perks, characters and items, you are just going to get bullied, you can't do anything about it, hell if you leave you get punished for that.

[@Liniyka]

If they are actually worse at balancing than GAIJIN.... that is very impressive in its own right

[@quan-uo5ws]

​@@LiniykaDead by daylight used to be 3 times as unbalanced as War Thunder. Think about that for a second.

[@3.0699]

@@quan-uo5wsit still is like 2x worse

[@TheHangarHobbit]

I heard from a Gaijin mod the reason why is very simple...when it was 5.0 it killed sales of the Ju288 and the 288 is one of the biggest money makers in the game by a HUGE margin. He said they sell a dozen 288s for every wyvern and that number increases during events so no matter how bad the Wyvern stomps it will never go above 4.7 because it will hurt their cash cow.

[@Oookkaa]

Mmmm short term profits over long term innovation... where have I heard that before... If I was in charge, I'd make it so all planes can be unlocked via TT or purchased with GE, and make it so premium bonuses can be unlocked separately with GE, similar to how talismans work. That way it would keep Gaijin's interests in line with the players, making all vehicles fun to play and having good balance.

[@TheHangarHobbit]

@@Oookkaa Actually the blame for this lies 100% on the community, not only for the 288 but because they demanded the counter to the Wyvern be removed by wishing on the monkey's paw...the Thunderbolt airspawn. You see once upon a time ALL Thunderbolts had an airspawn, from the lowly D25 all the way up to the P47-M but since the WT community is a bunch of big crybabies they went "Waah Hitlerbolt too OP nerf it waah" despite the fact that the Stalinbolt, USA Thunderbolt, the P38 and the XP50 were ALL hard counters to the Hitlerbolt. Hell I used to smack down Hitlerbolts all day in a fricking Boomerang. But you NEVER say nerf in front of Gaijin as that activates the monkey's paw so the result was Gaijin going "Nerf Thunderbolt? Okay ALL Thunderbolts are nerfed!" which promptly obliterated the Americans as they needed the Thunderbolt airspawn while the Hitlerbolt could just sideclimb under the 109 swarms and be fine. But before the monkey's paw the Thunderbolts hard countered fast bois like wyvern as well as space climbers like OP50 and Ta154 because a wound-up Thunderbolt in a dive could easily catch Wyvern and with its airspawn could climb well enough to meet space climbers at their own alt. But the community had to be whiney little wimps and now they get what they deserve for crying and bitching.

[@tedarcher9120]

Why not move 288 down and wyvern up?

[@WPope]

The french TT is a perfect example of the whole algorythm balancing thing. Just look at all the autoloading tanks and their constant moves up of BR. and they even used to have insanely high repair costs.

[@_Beans_]

but they're good. and they're still good

[@kocurowskyy39]

One time me and my buddies had match where the lobby ended in 1.5 mins bc enemies had 9 wyverns in the team, we didnt even manage to climb into the middle of the map...

[@Tsarbloonba]

XDDDD

[@svidentkyrponos7530]

Oh gish, that's cancer incarnate

[@CRL_One]

This had to be long time ago cause rn you can't have more than 4 attackers in the team (same goes for bombers). 4 Wyverns is enough to win the match by denying enemy team any climb opportunity still

[@kepler6873]

Something to help with bad zombie planes could be passive BR decrease. Every BR cycle or maybe once every two or three months, pick several of the least used vehicles at random and drop their br by one step. If one vehicle begins to wildly overperform, have its BR moved up by one step every week until it stabilizes. This will give all underused planes time in the spotlight over time, and the devs free up some of the energy going to buffing underpowered vehicles. This is obviously not a perfect solution, since this could cause long term BR dropping thanks to top tier compression but it’s a huge help

[@Liniyka]

That would be pretty cool, yes. Unfortunately it's Gaijin we're talking about, so if nobody uses the vehicle = no data for the algorithm = no BR change

[@dank-n-clips]

​@@Liniykamy boy you're crying about people getting free stuff in a grindy cash grab game then have wyvern playing in the background 🤡

[@shadowbonbon3]

this is all fun and games till a jet ends up in br 2.0

[@Ryzard]

@@dank-n-clips ? what part of that is free stuff?

[@TricaGamer]

I hate how they use "statistics" without interpreting them right to justify any shitshow they want to do

[@StrikeWyvern]

Another incredibly sad tale is that of the Vampires, they used to sit confortably at 7.0, arguably some of the best. Now they're 8.0 and completely unusable.

[@aerodyte6908]

I noticed this it’s 8.0 yet can’t break 450 mph in a straight line only going 500+ in dives it really sucks cause I like the odd looking thing

[@conarteest2939]

It doesn't help that Gaijin also seems to completely forget about the existence of some aircraft they have in their tech trees. Key example of this being the most recent separation of battle ratings for certain planes in Ground RB compared to Air RB. The devs had to be reminded that the F104J exists, which had me laughing.

[@Liniyka]

I should have mentioned it in the vid, but yes - if a plane doesn't get used, Gaijin never bothers to adjust its BR, which leads to even more zombie planes

[@MaticTheProto]

A great example of how much they care about japan

[@98765zach]

My poor F-104J fighting radar guided and 30G IR missiles with no flares and no chaff with 6 absolute shit tier missiles Feels like being on the wrong end of the final charge in Last Samurai I charge as the emperor demands, and I try to take a few with me, but there is only so much I can do when my one and only advantage, speed, is nullified by the enemies I face

[@Wyk_]

@@98765zach and then what the comunity do: they just say "skill issue", and proceeds to fly their op premiums

[@funkkymonkey6924]

The only thing that lets me still play the game is the fact that all XP 50s share a single brain cell.

[@skyflier8955]

Once you know its weakness, the XP-50 becomes a footnote, you can always assume they’re going to make a mistake and fall for every trick in the book.

[@matiasmartinez7208]

what's the weakness 😮​@@skyflier8955

[@kirishima638]

Another issue with the algorithm is that it only kicks in for vehicles that are actually played. There are numerous vehicles in the minor tech trees that used to be competitive, but they got power creeped, so they’re now overtiered and unplayed. And because no one plays them, they stay at their old BRs, where they’re uncompetitive, so no one plays them and so on. As you say, the algorithm rewards the bad players, by buffing their vehicles, while punishing anyone who dares to actually play a vehicle effectively. The EBR 1954 is a good example of this. It was ludicrously under tiered on release as an event reward, but because you had to be competent to get it, only good players took it out, which ruined the game for months as teams of EBR players absolutely dominated. Then the algorithm kicked in due to the winrates, and it’s had numerous nerfs and BR increases to the point where it’s no longer competitive, and no one plays it (see above).

[@PhantomsPorever]

that thing can and will still run games if it gets on a flank

[@kirishima638]

@@PhantomsPorever you can say that about most vehicles

[@serch3ster]

All wheeled french tanks are crazily overtiered.

[@kirishima638]

@@serch3ster they are now

[@tenpotkan7051]

I love encountering wyverns in my P-63. They can't run away. All they can see is me ominously creeping towards them. They have two choices - either wait for me to catch up with them or turn and fight me. Being attackers, I get them when they're relatively low. They can dive away for only so long before they hit the ground. And because so many people are bad at wyvern, I always get to kill them. It's not easy but I don't really remember getting killed by wiverns.

[@princesspupcake1269]

Pretty much any 'murican plane, except maybe Corsairs, can catch up to Wyverns. Mustangs and Cobras are damn fast.

[@rafaelalandrade]

The P-47D-25 and -28 once went all the way down to 2.7 in arcade air. The hordes of idiots using their Thunderbolts to dogfight zeroes and spits drove the BR down and down and down. Meanwhile, I was laughing while playing a plane that was literally 200 kph faster than any plane they could meet, outclimb them as well, and the 50 cals would tear planes at that BR to shreds, even before the introduction of the M20 flamethrowers. The BR algo is indeed the most retarded thing Gaijin has ever made.

[@dandula3378]

Those were good times

[@sinisterisrandom8537]

The J7W1 has 3 good things. 1: It's good at dives both shallow and not. Of course, the 4 30mm's are beneficial and the acceleration is fine however that said. It is still currently missing a certain portion of its historical speed, as well as 2 extra propellers. Since irl it had 6.

[@Liniyka]

Somehow I doubt even 50 extra props would save it... but maybe you're right

[@conarteest2939]

The J7W1 was also designed specifically to be a bomber interceptor, so if you ask me, it should get an interceptor spawn. I think that would help to fix it somewhat, but then again, that's putting a band-aid on a 3rd degree burn.

[@wato-jk8ns]

@@conarteest2939 it's fun when stumping ju288 haha

[@ussindianapolis487]

​@@conarteest2939considering how even the 152C-3 is somewhat usable because it has airspawn i am sure that the shinden would work quite well if it ever got one.

[@engineer1941]

There are J7W1 reports from 2015 which havent been implemented. Minimum and maximum speed is wrong, flaps are not working correctly, elevator is not working as it should. Its missing 200hp

[@GladkiyElisey]

Gonna add Ki-94 and Ki-87 to the list. Kinda the same issue with J7W1: nice-looking planes with good guns and high-altitude performance and nothing really else to mention, sitting on BR for super pistons and early jets. Actually, Japan is a nation that consistently gets "zombiefied" by Gaijin, probably because of high average skill of jap mainers. Just look at BR changes for A6M5 and J6K1. Also, need to mention Lansen. And A-32. And G.91 YS. And so on.

[@Liniyka]

Oh man, I could have mentioned so many more planes, but again, don't wanna make a 5 hour vid

[@Ren23114]

Lansens are just competent cause of the good players, nothing exceptional and it faces 104s every Match as a swedish Main i think the lansen is kinda bad but the j29F sitting in 9.0 just cause it has wep and 2 aim9bs makes no sense

[@tasterisk6339]

I agree with the Ki-87, no sane player will play that thing. But to me the Ki-83 is kinda like the XP-50 of 6.0 with its insane climb rate and airspawn at least before the engine overheats.

[@GladkiyElisey]

@@tasterisk6339 Oh, I confused the planes. I meant that event plane which costs hundred of gaijin coins

[@j100j]

​​@@Ren23114 J32 is my third most played plane if I correctly recall and I havr a 3:1 kdr on it. Higher than most othet things I fly. It's actually extremely good as it can stick dogfights with mig 19s if they don't play it right. Overall the J32 is a more comfortable subsonic mig19 with more missiles and guns.

[@norinco8724]

YOU ARE A KING GG!

[@Liniyka]

Thank you! After all, only kings play WT

[@Arkhmar]

YOU ARE A ___KING __GG__!!

[@Kuschel_K]

They don’t balance the vehicles by performance, they balance it so that players don’t get more out of a vehicle then they should. It’s just Gaijin wanting players to spent money on the game instead of earning enough SL and RP. If players spent a lot of money on a vehicle, it magically becomes immune to the algorithm. It’s basically just P2W 🙃

[@Nurse_Xochitl]

EXACTLY THIS.

[@KekusMagnus]

How could you possible miss the He-100, the most horrendously overpowered plane in the game by far. Let's not even talk about the P-39

[@svidentkyrponos7530]

He-100 is a wild card plane If a newbie tries to turn in it, it becomes easy prey (I'm not even a good player and was able to 1v2 a squad of them that tried to dogfight me after a head on merge and won, with me using the two-gunned I-16) But a *good* player will turn it into death, destroyer of worlds, I remember when I was a beginner in arcade and a guy in a He-100 screwed my *entire team* by going from head on to head on at full speed And yeah, I hate P-39s with a passion, it's just hellish trying to face them with planes like low tier italian or japanese fighters

[@notnurfcreanga]

honestly i dont blame them, the wyvern is super op, super low in br, can one rush like hell to a base, one shot it, and then be capable of 1v1 and getting more kills after that, its really good and cheap + plus its conveniently put in a rank where you can grind with it untill you get low tier jets

[@rowanyuh6326]

I love getting ticket crunched in 10 minutes after wyverns bomb all bases and the airfield

[@midladder]

Skill issue, Wyverns cant really turn

[@rowanyuh6326]

@ its like an a6m (200mph) vs a 350+ mph fucking turbo jet they can just energy trap all day

[@matthewredman7814]

To be fair the Wyvern WAS 5.0, but was moved to 4.0, now we have this.

[@komar7022]

dude the killing floor 1 soundtrack

[@Lobsterboy1776]

Awesome video, thanks for your perspective!

[@joaquinlaurie6631]

I’ve been playing WT for a few years, and just found out about your channel. Great content 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 (I also hate gaijin) [but i’m addicted to WT, it has drained my soul and wallet]

[@Liniyka]

Thank you!

[@KaminaCicada]

And yet the XP-50 continues where it is...

[@CheezyPotatoez1]

9:45 "Once upon a time" activates my google assistant

[@HighFlyer96]

Correction, XP-50 has been nerfed drastically. They took away their WEP which essentially halved the climb rate. Considering the ammo other American planes have on display, the XP-50 is short breathed. They also introduced that nerf at a time where maps with airspawns for all planes like Norway were common. So the nerf was uncalled for as the airspawn did not give them an advantage anyways. In my opinion, they should have raised the BR and not take away features the plane was known and promoted for. The power to weight ratio was THE biggest selling point and the reason this prototype was made in the first place. Taking away the power just turns it into a nice-to-look-at plane without significant identifiers other than it's shape. Same issue with the XA-38 Grizzly. It was promoted as having immense power having two B-29 engines on a striker airframe, but they nerfed the power turning it into the same unflyable brick as the Hs-129 Ente compared. If introducing such castrations instead of refining the overall balancing and game mechanic, they should not introduce those planes in the first place! But that's Gaijin to you. Add premiums, nerf the biggest selling points and promote the next premium with similar selling points.

[@Liniyka]

When was the last time you played WT? That nerf was like 10 years ago, these days XP-50 is the most broken plane at its BR

[@HighFlyer96]

@@Liniyka Geez... It has been 6 years. I still play WT but I haven't been at that BR in a while. The XP-50 became boring/ordinary as they took away it's signature climb rate. I can understand how it is performing well again as most other things have been uptiered around it. But I still miss this helicopter being a helicopter. In my opinion, nerfing something at it's signature is inherently dumb. It's like taking away the afterburner from the first jet with afterburner or taking away the AP belts from the Pulkzerstörer. When doing so, it does not justify selling that premium in the first place and any other nerfs should be considered first, even if it's a cheap one as raising it's BR.

[@Alpha.01285]

Bro those wyverns randomly under you at 1000 attacking bases

[@kennyxkazuki713]

As a Japanese main, i feel the effects of this so hard, i mean i still get ace games in my f-104j from time to gime, but that plane should never face mig 29s and f-16s, and hey, they did in fact rase the top br so that no longer happened, but it should have never happened in the first place

[@whirlwindgaming6973]

The “zombie plane” phrase is also very accurate because once it gets you, you might “turn into” one yourself by buying the premium.

[@Strix-DF97]

another feature that war thunder needs is to disable the 'want to get ranked with post war enemies', especially in tank battles

[@marcorocchi6758]

Imagine if some dudes decided to take a loved plane, go tryhard mode and increase its BR just to troll people

[@Urgaas]

The patron list grows😮 nice job man

[@bullymaguirehimself138]

bro has no idea about the ju288

[@ramranch18]

9:47 waiting on ugarit to explain himself in the discord currently joe will not be pleased

[@CrashesAndDestruction]

Loading stealth rounds is fantastic for this plane

[@wato-jk8ns]

a6m5 ko is up from 4.7 to 5.3 to face super prop and early jet. unplayable ;w;

[@Liniyka]

Turnfighting planes going to crazy high BRs is its own topic at this point

[@moisteggroll3421]

​@@Liniykacurrently grinding jap air rn, you should do that video!

[@asancoon2363]

The standard a6m5 used to be 4.0. Then it went to 4.3, then 4.7, and now it's 5.0. It's completely outclassed in all but 1 metric. However, it fights America a lot. The player base that is so bad they dropped the f4u-4b from 6.3 down to 5.7

[@cardiv5zuikaku944]

Yeah, which is sad, before I had Moffet, it was my all-go money-maker plane, it's not a ridiculous OP plane, in fact, its a very delicate and slow plane that you need to plan ahead before going into a strike, also keep your awareness on all direction even while dogfighting, and even then you'll have cold sweat if you find an actual player with a brain cell that knows BnZ exist. The problem was, that it used to fight the US team a lot of times,, and as Liniyka said, they had lots of bad players in it, back then, almost every us player went ground-pounding and then got mad as Zero easily swooped in for the kill.

[@charlotte_8814]

mig15 ish wasnt moved down because theyre incompetent, it was moved down because people can pay money for it.

[@argent8217]

Q-5A chops 104 like its a flying bricks.

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

9:10 💀💀💀 You probably alerted the horde, you should run.

[@madcat789]

As a Battletech Player, whenever I hear a vehicle considered a "Zombie", I have an entirely different context in mind.

[@michaelvigil5321]

I remember the CL-13 video. I forgot if i saw it on reddit or KZbin but I couldn't find it again. Laughed my ass off seeing how they put it from 9.3 to 9.7 all by themselves

[@somedud1140]

People still believe in muh "algorithm" excuse? It would be great to see the plane statistics and how "algorithm's" choses br changes and how they affect statistical performance. But one thing we are never shown is those statistics, so de facto, "algorithm" is whatever gaijin wants it to be.

[@Fatdog223]

People say f-104 is broken because its the only USA jet that matches other countries performance. F-15 is 12.3 because of the terrible missiles, I can dodge 15 aim-9m and aim-7 but as soon as a r-27 comes out I die instantly. USA players are "so bad" because they dont take a 12 hour course on dodging r-27, When all it takes to dodge USA missiles is to turn and press flare key. USA players are "bad" because it takes so much more skill to play against other countries with better armament. If you swap USA players to USSR and vice versa people would still say USA is garbage.

[@theseasonofcold5222]

f-104 is broken because it goes almost as fast as my BULLETS

[@n1ght1ngal3]

holy americope

[@Fatdog223]

@@theseasonofcold5222 its slower than a mig 21 at the same br

[@allorfh2495]

@@Fatdog223 the mig 21 has slower acceleration and only goes has higher top speed in altitudes where nobody goes. stop the cap

[@war_thumper]

@@allorfh2495 no you’re just lying f104 in not faster let’s sea nog 21 gets better missiles better turning better speed what does the f104 get it gets bad missiles bad turn time only good thing is the speed and if a mig wants you dead you have a problem

[@DodgerRedGaming]

The fact that the hunter and other jets at that BR have to fight jets with missiles and inasanity, makes them feel impossible to use

[@miawpower8521]

The f.222.2 was at 1.3 for the longest time,until a group of friends and I desided to speedrun wins at 1.3 air rb to the point that the matchmaker refused to let us join matches as a squad of 4, we got some attention by doing this and some people made videos about the plane, a year later it was finally uptiered to 2.3

[@catoo4164]

gg 5 times indeed xddd great video, i truly cry inside when i see someone using the wyverm as a bomber/attacker when that thing is truly a bomb n zoom plane

[@sausageside442]

7:35 , I totally understand all the frustration about the french Seafire Mk 3 but its the only plane ive spaded with a 100% win rate... so frankly I think its pretty good even at 5.0.

[@copeland7225]

I used to love playing both World of Tanks and War Thunder back in the day. Both games let long-standing problems spiral out of control for the sake of profit while introducing new ones along the way

[@themortz]

Many years ago when i bought the Wyvern, it was 5.0. now it's 4.0, it's my best investment

[@OsiG3]

@Warthunder pls hire this guy

[@kryperdev]

This is why I ditched ARB and moved fully to SAB. Balancing issues have lesser impact when skill required is at the moon.

[@zaikasolnse]

I single handedly raised yak 1b BR

[@bradtyson]

What people need to realise, is that if you are going to get taken down and lose a spare plane. Chances are you're going to do everything you can to crash into them head on.... SPITE

[@michaelsands2356]

"Because some people watch you tube videos and don't pay attention at the start of a game" Guess what I'm doing right now.

[@rokrok500]

Yes yes you are all welcome, me and my Ayit are here for you 🤙

[@disorderkarakava]

Those days when the useless Arado was level 24 out of 20 possible (according to the CEO of the snails), because we got bored and started shooting down planes with a plane without forward-facing weapons. The second part of the balancer problem: if the level of the plane is slightly too high, then bad players simply skip it, and good players continue to fly and show good statistics. This leads to an increase in the level and bad players skip the plane even more, and its level flies into the skies. And the snail game designers are starting to say that this plane is simply excellent (if only they could launch their own game beyond the hangar at least once)

[@alessandromazzini7026]

The bad zombie planes: almost all minor nations' fighters

[@Cheese_Authority]

Every day, an a6m zero goes up in br

[@AirsoftFaction]

Hunter F1 FM was nerfed into the deck sometime around 2018. No longer can pull any AOA or roll at all over 800Kph.

[@7TPdwCzolgu]

with this, i just think any light Tank in ground rb mode is a zombie at this point

[@TheRealKiRBEY]

gaijin when its time to nerf premium stuff

[@dds7799]

l4d music makes that video so much better lmao

[@dds7799]

oh man, killing floor too!

[@IceManHG117]

The Wyvern was moved up in the past. It used to be 4.0.

[@Liniyka]

You are correct, yes. But it didn't solve the problem in any capacity. It needs to go back to its original 5.0 BR where it belongs

[@spasti7026]

wasn’t it even 3.7 back then

[@thombrick]

No it was 5.0 when it was released and in its first years, then it became 4.7, 4.0 and now 4.3. it should really be 5.0.​@@spasti7026

[@thombrick]

I played the wyvern for a long time at 5.0 in 2016 and I still don't understand how it was lowered so hard. I used it as a strict ground pounder and bomber to bleed tickets and do daily/special tasks in one battle, which meant I only needed to play 2 or 3 games a day to get enough warbonds in 20 days for a 'free' rank III premium with the OG warbond system. That was only 40min or less a day for an easy grind. At 5.0 hahaha.

[@Bruh-de8ej]

bro the seafire is a beast

[@cameronking5074]

Ngl, before this vid was out I decided to play the wyvern and I was shocked at how busted it was. Been using it to grind the battle pass.

[@dixievfd55]

The Wyvern sells so they won't move it.

[@polt9098]

Just here to remember that there is a 8.0 Me-262

[@CoolLink-Zelda]

As a bad player(at least i consider myself bad) I am doing my part to get god planes downtiered

[@ErichVonKraut]

I play two daily War Bonds tasks every day (and upload the videos). The Wyvern has been my number one attacker for well over 5 years. Over the years, I have seen Wyvern spam come and go several times. But it's something of a one trick pony. Actually two tricks. It's fast as heck and smacks very hard. But it is slow to accelerate, a modest climber, and turns like a bomber. It's _very_ situational.

[@dutchierazor1708]

based choice of music

[@giubb8]

Italy's mid to high tier got absolutely wrecked by the algorithm just because only good players play those aircrafts

[@tedarcher9120]

Algorithm should compare planes FOR EACH PLAYER INDEPENDENTLY, not across players.

[@pinguspringus8356]

Zombie bombers space climbed invisible plaanes 🎶

[@ShiaLaBunion5]

Just wanted to say I never played the R2Y2 during the golden days only picking it up some time last year. The R2Y2 is still a very capable jet I believe the primary reason people don't play it is lack of interest. And the J7W1 is also viable although your positioning matters a lot more than most planes. I didn't play the J7W1 any longer than I had to, but by the time I moved on I had 17 deaths and 55 kills and 111 ground targets killed

[@SoulAir]

When this came out it was such a nightmare I resorted to shark tactics in my bf109.At the start of the match i would not climb at all, just race to the ground units. I would fly at tree top level to ambush them. taking advantage of my TWR with us both at sea level, I could fight them vertically and sometimes it would work, but mostly not. its a good plane

[@amemeforlife6983]

It's funny watching this now after buying the Finnish draken during the summer sale just to have its br raised so much it has almost no hope of competing at its br and uptiers.

[@derangedoven7928]

I swear xp 50 players are brain dead. I 2 v 1nd them and they both had energy advantage. I came out without getting hit once

[@pancake-de5iv]

i salute the crayon eating american players for sacrificing their silver lions because they single handedly downtiered aircraft (why did the f-4u4 go down)

[@para_magnus2200]

honestly i dominate in the Seafire LF MKIII i think its an absolutely fantastic aircraft.

[@jeremyfisher8512]

Wyvern players forgetting PVP exists and refusing to fight despite having energy advantage and tons of 20mm

[@7TPdwCzolgu]

Maybe the 190 A-8 is a case of this

[@Squood]

4:07 “If they play their cards right” which they rarely do, because they ego challenge an Su-25 to a head on and then eat an R-60M to the face. We still have lobotomites arguing that the F-104A/C are balanced at 9.3 because “iT cAn’T tUrN.”

[@madcat789]

Ooh, someone new to follow.

[@Zakhath]

We should spam all Gaijin email accounts with a link to this video until they change their balancing methods.

[@toastyboi1627]

Surprised he didn’t mention the 8.0 meteours

[@hidde663]

i remember the P47D28(the one with actual rudder control past 500kph) had a br of 3.7/4.0 , managed to get a k/d of 28/0 across like 8 games one day. last time i played it was back to 5.0 tho, which i think is about right.

[@clausroquefort9545]

balancing around the cringe noobs was also the reason why the R3 was able to terrorize low tier

[@Kokoss77]

Why is one of my favorite planes: the me 163 at 8.0, and the second variant at 8.7????? It's so unholy unreasonable like, wtf

[@JadeFoxAlpha]

It's interesting that they've decided to balance the game by ranking only the planes, instead of the planes AND the players. A plane's performance rating that isn't weighted by the player flying it is not normalized data.

[@Benzo7]

I ready agree with this video (and to say Gaijin is bad at balancing is a huge understatement) but a couple of these seem to just be “fast = overpowered” (Wyvern and F-104, though seemingly the Wyvern is OP because it gets an air spawn and less so because “it speed”) But I feel like that these planes, beyond their speed, don’t really have too much going for them. Granted, I don’t have the F-104, and while I do have the Wyvern I mainly use it for CAS in Ground RB, but it seems to me that these planes can’t really do much beyond boom and zoom unless faced with an opponent with a few screws loose. I mean, one plane I was somewhat surprised to not see in this video given the Wyvern and F-104, is the Scimitar, an absolute bus of a plane, but easily on of if not the fastest sub-sonic jets in the game, at 8.7. I haven’t played it in a while so maybe it’s been powercrept a bit but if you don’t get uptiered too much there’s basically nobody who can catch you in it, and I’ve basically seen nobody call the plane overpowered, mostly because of its piss poor turnrate. Maybe I don’t know shit though, I’m a tank player to a much greater extent than I am a plane player so I could be entirely spewing BS.

[@ozan1234561]

Speed is op because you get to pick which fights you wanna take Its why corsairs are absolute beasts despite being flying barges, you can just bait people into bleeding speed with your energy retention and huge engine until they dont have enough energy to fight back

[@cardiv5zuikaku944]

Speed is very important factor in being a fighter, if you know BnZ properly, enemy players won't have any way to react properly, and you won't notice how good speed is on a fighter unless you use a small, light, slow fighter like a Zero, that turns good, but completely outmatched by BnZ player.

[@princesspupcake1269]

Forgot about the Ju288 at 6.0, the light-bomber with an absurd top-speed that's basically impossible to catch, and extremely potent turrets. Also, controversial take; after buying and using the Wyvern for a while, I don't think it's THAT good of a plane. It's decent if you keep a higher altitude, the guns are definitely the best part about it, but it turns like a brick and it seems like most fighters can easily catch up to it if they're in a shallow dive. It should probably be at like 4.7, MAYBE 5.0 but that's kinda pushing it... it also shouldn't be a rank 4 or 5 vehicle, idk why it's such a high rank but it makes grinding the early jets a breeze.

[@gewitterhund3164]

People who fly those zombie planes (like XP50 or Wyvern) tend to believe those planes fly themselves. That makes it less threatening since only 1 or 2 out of 10 players actually know how to use those 😏 (I guess shitty pilots make the overall stats of those planes appear not to be op. And we all know that the snail only uses statistics to determine BRs. Maybe that's the reason they loaf around lower BRs than they actually should be in) Edit: Yes, you made that point yourself in the video. Good work, thank you.

[@PhoniiczZ]

Never had any issues fighting Su-11, with F2h and Meteor (Sea and mk4)

[@moxie_ST]

You forget Sagittario at 9.3, with only one type of ammo and 80% uptire rate. Well if any it have free ammo 😂

[@qlum]

I feel like they could definitely improve the way they handle this algorithmically. One way would be to look at the performance of players playing multiple planes at a similar br / role in the last x amount of time. Only falling back to other statistics if that doesn't have enough data.

[@crazyjack746]

Same as the sv 12.80.42 or whatever in ground rb

[@ReallyBillyBoggs]

oh bro you mean the sav2012 yeah that's a super op arty with full auto cause it has a 1 second reload lol

[@MaticTheProto]

Gaijin must see this

[@antonkrastev8719]

You forgot to mention the best of them all - Do 335 B-2

[@690_5]

the F2 Sabre never should have been moved from 9.0 That should have been the point where everything was balanced from.