Zowie EC1-A VS Razer DeathAdder Chroma (Comparison Review)

[@dillacorn_linux]

I have been wanting a competition of these two mouses for years. Thank you for fulfilling that wish.

[@Revy9211]

Well Zy I took the Jump and bought a Zowie mouse ( and reinstalled Quake live ) and I would like to thank you for the review it was spot on this is simply the best mouse I have ever used 10/10 thanks again champ

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Awesome x2. Good to hear!

[@HenryTheBoilermaker3rdYear]

Zy you forgot to tell us which one is more comfortable.

[@Mist261]

Hows the mouse holding up? (and which one did you get?)

[@Revy9211]

Real good been flawless cant say the same for my aim though ,LOL going to get owned pretty hard in Quake Champions but I hope I get better

[@Revy9211]

I bought the EC1-A ))

[@ToxicFantasma]

Thank you so much mate. I've been looking everywhere for a comparison of these mice. Couldn't decide between them, gonna get the EC1-A now.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+(SBB) Blitz Nice, thanks!

[@TheChurchofCacti]

They're hard to find. Amazon has some selling for $90 but they're estimated at over a month before shipping. I just bought a white logo 'open box' EC1-A on EBay for $50 to see if I like the shape. I'm currently running a ZA12. Love the sensor but the shape hurts my hand.

[@ToxicFantasma]

Mast3r Race Yea, it's a shame. I probably wont be able to get a hold of an EC1-A, they are just too rare on Amazon. Probably will have to settle for an FK1 or a DA. Been waiting too long for an EC1-A that's under $65 and ships in less than 3 months.

[@TheChurchofCacti]

Not sure if the FK1 is ambidextrous like ZA12 but I think it might be. This design caused crazy hand cramping after a couple weeks of use. I have to stress to keep my pinkie on the mouse with the ambidextrous design and my palm grip. Now I'm back to using my DA until the EC1-A arrives on Tuesday. Hopefully this is what I've been looking for.

[@hibari42]

+Mast3r Race yes it is ambidextrous. the ZA series have high backs, while the FK series backs are low, similar to a Castor. the ZAs are for palm grip and the FKs are for claw/fingertip grip, though some people don't find the set mice for each grip to be comfortable. it sounds like you need a wider mouse, but ZA11s are larger, so you may want to try that. or just go with the EC1-A you ordered :)

[@Syn442]

Thank you for posting such an in-depth video. This was exactly what I was looking for in a comparison between these two mice. Subscribed.

[@nafikos6450]

i wanna see how much more youre gonna grow until 2017, you deserve every sub

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+nafis nafikos Thanks!

[@shadmanazad7]

highly agreed

[@shafketadify]

+Shadman Azad Yup

[@Leighqm]

+Rocket Jump Ninja I'm really happy for you ,buddy! And thank you for the help :D

[@mjairam90]

+nafis nafikos I'm interested in seeing what kind of content he'll do when he begins to run out of gaming mice to review.

[@patstechadvice]

just upgraded my death adder chroma to a zowie ec1-a and it is so much more comfortable i am happy with it

[@bradcasper4823]

I’m not, you can’t bind for example space to scroll in zowie, where in Razer i prefer scrolling to switch weapons so I can easily set my desired profile and switch between jump on scroll and switch to standard mode.

[@quakercrackers4262]

My Current Peripherals: SS Sensei [RAW] SS QCK Some old Sony headphones At Christmas: BenQ Zowie EC2-A SS QCK+ SS Arctis 5

[@quakercrackers4262]

In Ireland, they are but the tax is big af, so on their website it is like 60 Euro, but I will actually pay 77, maybe i'll go with the Fnatic Flick :/

[@al1ve427]

Look into the xtrfy products

[@quakercrackers4262]

Levi Swingle I did, they are pretty nice, I am interested into them.

[@al1ve427]

Bias from being an NiP fan, they're some of the best products I've used. I personally still prefer the razer goliathus speed though, but mouse pad is personal preference. You won't know if you like it until you try it

[@TheDavidNXYZ]

Is the arctis good?

[@Nieumarlamalpa]

After you recommendation I got the EC-1A. I got it when it went back on sale on the 3rd of may and the side-buttons have much less travel than the one you showed. So I think they've already improved it already. Also the EC-1A feels so much more comfortable then the deathadder. EC-1A feels much longer and fits my 20.5cm by 10cm hand much better.

[@honzas_97]

+Cpt. Gavorn Hey, can I ask you a question? I had the EC2-A from Zowie gear and I loved it with exception of the size and the surface. I want to get the EC1-A when it's back in stock, but on my old EC, the surface was really slippery (way more compared to FK / ZA). How is it on the BenQ versions?

[@Nieumarlamalpa]

Honza Rappresent All i can compare it to is my oldDeathadder 3.5G. Its practically the same material as the DA, but it doesn't feel rubberized like the DA. Over all i find the mouse very easy to gripy.

[@honzas_97]

Cpt. Gavorn Alright, thanks. I will probably get it when it's back in stock.

[@Nieumarlamalpa]

Honza Rappresent btw i got mine form the benq store directly and its in stock right now.

[@honzas_97]

Cpt. Gavorn Really? Thanks a lot, I will definitely check it out. How long did it take to ship?

[@ionut1996claudiu]

I love your videos, I bought my own EC2-a few months ago just because of your review, thanks for being so awesome and good luck in the future! :D

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+Ionut Claudiu (Seven) Nice, thanks!

[@ROSSNEWHAM]

Just purchased the ec2a. Got the Deathadder a couple of months ago but it just doesn't feel 'right' in the hand. In fact the first 5 minutes of play before we hands get sweaty I can't pick the mouse up. I have big hands so it's strange. Prefer a smaller mouse

[@TheSupergoku101]

Build quality feels pretty bad. Just orded ny zowie mice!

[@ROSSNEWHAM]

Marizen yeah it's so odd. I tend to have to lick my fingers to grip it haha! I used to have a razer abyssus - much better grip

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

I never felt the build quality to be bad on the deathadder. The first time I used it, it felt right in my hand. Also, the EC2A and the Deathader fit in large mouse categories, not small

[@lukanezmah]

wow man ur videos are so freaking good, probably the best review chanell, keep up the good work man :)

[@Jeff-wm3qn]

Thanks again for your awesome videos rocket ninja! your Zowie EC1-A convinced me to order one and I should be getting sometime next week!

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+Jeff 1001 Nice, let me know what you think of it!

[@Jeff-wm3qn]

+Rocket Jump Ninja I will do for sure!

[@alex458italia]

Nice vid, was really looking for a good comparison between these 2. Good job

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+alex458italia Thanks!

[@morrays1996]

For a high quality mouse bungee I recommend my English text book

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+morraynumbah52 That's some next level tech...

[@Minecraaft93]

i recommend my ashtray

[@cky31695]

Even though I use the ec1 a I still have to say the deathadder is one of the best mice available.

[@omegapixelled]

really bad quality

[@priest9235]

nah, awkwardly heavy at the back kills it for me. Preference though. Trying to decide between the fk2 2016 or the g pro. Anyone around got a recommendation??

[@omegapixelled]

Priest g pro has better clicks and a better sensor, and software, but its really about which one is more comfortable in your hand

[@priest9235]

omegapixel for me the cord is another major factor.. what's the 303's cord like? Fucking hate the deathadders cord, wears down and is all janky now lol.

[@omegapixelled]

Priest dont have the g303, but im 99% sure logitech cords would be way better than razer's cords, logitech make very good gaming mice compared to razer's casual "want to look expensive yet feel cheap" target audience

[@sandellz7450]

Have used my deathadder chroma for over a year, and it's a good mouse in my opinion. My scroll wheel also rattles a bit when scrolling up, but it isn't annoying. My next mouse will be some Zowie, maybe fk2 or EC1-A.

[@JamesNade]

Cooller paired up with Zowie! For a reason! I love the Deathadder but Zowie is so close to perfection.

[@우리조-f6k]

thanks alot for your review which is a response to our request. it was very helpful

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+우리조 You're welcome!

[@marten4975]

I just ordered a Zowie ec1-a, used to have a death adder chroma but it had issues registering single clicks. It often registered a double click when it supposed to be a single click, and often it wouldn't register anything at all. This occured after precisely 1 year of use. I first exchanged my deathadder for a naga.. which started having tracking issues after 1,5 hour of use which couldn't be fixed with calibration or any other steps. Hopefully the Zowie ec1-a will be the best fit, It's larger then most, but luckily my hands are freakishly large ( 20 cm)

[@ShinyEditz]

I just got the ec2-a today, and i've had the deathadder since 2013. The deathadder always felt a little uncomfortable for me, maybe because i have small hands. And the razer synaps software was too slow to load in whenever i started my computer, so i had like too high sensitivity until the software was running. I also had to choose between ec1-a and ec2-a, i was not sure what of them to get because i have always had big mouses. I decided to go for the ec2-a because it's smaller and suits my small hand, and this is the best mouse i've ever had. It just fit perfectly in my hand.

[@highbass3695]

This was the review i was looking for

[@josephwhite339]

Your videos are extremely informative, and for that, I have subscribed. Keep up the good work, buddy!

[@andsisgaming2441]

Great Video! I have watched you grow over the past few months! Keep up the amazing work! You will be a famous KZbinr Someday!

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+Andsis Gaming Haha that'd be interesting to see! Thanks!

[@lotto5883]

+Rocket Jump Ninja Is the deathadder 2013 as responsive as the chroma edition?

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Damon Not sure, didn't get a chance to test it.

[@pertsonvelts1699]

Thanks for another great comparison, you rock!

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+Perts Onvelts Thanks!

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Fahad_Nomna7 Haha I wouldn't say I'm the only one, but I'm glad you're enjoying the videos. :)

[@thecetric1849]

Awesome video Zy keep up the great work and I own the EC1-A and I love it!

[@Evil12Killer]

just my little input, I went for the deathadder and the only problem I have with it are the grips, if your hands tend to get sweaty the rubber will actually make it even more slippery, in my experience.

[@MNB730]

the deathadder is such a wildcard if you buy it used or very cheap, chances you are going to get one working well and not fake is 1 in 20, if you want a mouse that is just right for the price and last very long with no problems just go for the EC1-A, i own the EC2-A for around 6 months (bought one that has been used for 8 months) and its still smooth and dandy

[@TheMetaldudeX]

Great comparison. I bought a Roccat Kone military for cheap a couple weeks ago. It's literally perfect to me except it's too small for my hand (19.5 cm). Probably going to get one of these two for sure now.

[@abegeh3406]

+Metaldude X ec2-a is smaller than the ec1-a btw if you want a smaller mice than this

[@hobbysatanist6667]

my hands are 21cm and I have a Kone Pure too...

[@JohnSmith-tz7iy]

I think the side buttons on the side of the Zowie are like that for a reason and is not a flaw needing fixing. They are very soft which means you can reliably use the mouse while pressing the side buttons without messing up where you're aiming. Non-soft side buttons really affect your grip on the mouse as well as your aim, while using them.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+John Smith They have a ledge right underneath the side buttons to prevent accidental clicks, and to help maintain proper grip. Really no reason that I can see for the side buttons being that way.

[@JohnSmith-tz7iy]

Rocket Jump Ninja No, what I'm saying is, if the buttons are too hard to press, you wind up squeezing the mouse which can affect the mouse aim. I am not talking anything about accidental clicks.

[@CallumJamesMerrill]

+John Smith I don't think you can try to justify the side buttons, I just purchased a new EC2-A with the restock and the side buttons are actually loose already, they have way too much travel time and their positioning isn't that great. Coming from a SteelSeries Rival the side buttons on these mice are appalling.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

John Smith Ah I see, but these are kind of hard to press in, because there's so much travel. The DeathAdder's are light with good tactile feedback, no problems. The Cougar 550M side buttons are a bit hard to press in. The EC1-A side buttons are too light and too far in. DeathAdder has a great balance.

[@wowawewah]

I have both and Zowie feels so much smoother. So easy to move around.

[@frzr9029]

Thank you for the review. I'm still hyped for the Ducky Secret review but I can wait. :D

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+. FrzR Yeah hopefully they start shipping from Amazon to Australia again.

[@davidtheking341]

I played with the deathadder chroma for over a year, it's a really good mouse but the braided mouse cable is really annoying even with a mouse bungie. Also the DA's left/right switches are too light, I often accidentally rightclick in cs go or shoot too much when I just tried to tap with the left mouse button. The sensor is great, also the sidebuttons. Build quality was not so good for me, pressing the mousewheel didn't work after a few months and the glue of the sidepads to keep your thumbs wear off. Now I bought the ec-1a to test it

[@TheChurchofCacti]

I've had both these mice and think I prefer the EC1-A for the relaxed palm grip and my semi big hands. Right now I'm using the Mamba which is alot like the DA.

[@Beghty27]

I am having a lot of trouble with the zowie since for me rockets and lg are bound to the thumb buttons, so I hit and fast switch to them a lot.

[@rubikpvp9916]

Deathadder Chroma is 35 dollars on amazon right now. I want the Ec1-a but it is $60 and can't afford that. Hope that the Deathadder is alright :)

[@isakh8565]

You didn't mention that you can adjust the lift off distance on the EC1-A by holding specific buttons while plugging the mouse in. You said you would mention it in the next Zowie review, so I assume you just forgot about it hehe :P Otherwise, nice comparison review man, keep up the good work! (Had to edit and re-post, apparently KZbin makes the comment private if there's a link in it. I just linked the instructions for changing the LOD on Zowie mice)

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+IsakH85 I tried the lift off distance thing and the mouse stopped tracking properly, so I put it back to default and it worked again. If it had worked, I would've put it in the review. I have the ZA and FK series to review still, I'll try on those as well.

[@EnnTomi1]

i just got rid of my DA last week, and bought za12 for overwatch serious game. damn my aim imporved so much. believe it or not, the DA has huge pre-travel clicks imo. where as za12 is so much better in that sense. as well as weight. big factor. i dont play moba at all. used to play mmo with naga. i think DA is one of the best choice for moba and less-flick-required game. it feels good and the click is really good for moba.

[@quanghuynguyen5527]

after 2 years of using both i suprisingly like the DA more than the EC1a, just because i love the light weight of the DA and its mouse buttons

[@pitasialessandro]

well obviously mouse are a personal preference, so there isn't a best mouse between the two

[@nerothostv]

Deathadder is by far the best mouse ive ever owned, but mouse1 button dont work anymore, so I went for a ec1-a and love it :)

[@sjdea7858]

awsm reviews! keep it up! :)

[@MysticRixel]

You can change the LOD on the EC1-A by pressing some buttons while connecting it, you should have said that as well!

[@LueloCS]

Now this is an honest review!

[@bayybars]

I don’t know why but I really love the Zowie’s lit scroll wheel, it’s subtle and not obnoxious rgb.

[@1MuchButteR1]

I did not find ec1a comfortable after using DA 3.5G for 3 years. I use pinky and ring fingers to grip the mouse better on the right side. During gaming sessions it felt like my pinky was under pressure. Also when pressing mouse 1 and mouse 2 while gaming it sort of feels like you are fighting the shape of the mouse to press them.

[@thomasl.8786]

Thanks for the review, I currently have the deathadder but the side grips are slipping off, one has already have. Im going to go the ec1-a now :D

[@kingvongaming7088]

I have a deathadder rn, would you say itd be worth buying an ec1-a instead

[@thomasl.8786]

@@kingvongaming7088 If you’re deathadder is in good condition i would keep it, but my zowie ec1a has held up through the years and fits my palm better

[@333dae]

deathadder buttons are so good i wish more mice have buttons like them (without the double clicking issue ofc)

[@DavidLeatherhoff]

The deathadder is all good but my only problem with it is that the rubber grips on the side are completely useless if your hands begin to sweat which makes it impossible to grip.

[@happyfrietiez]

thx, bought the EC1-A after my deathadder got fucked after a year of usage - really like the deathadder, but it's just not durable at all. The scroll wheel feels abit heavy though on the EC1-A

[@Classikh]

Wish more companies allowed you to disable the mouse scroll in their software when you start a program. So far Razer Synapse is the only software I've seen that allows it.

[@satanspy]

Hey Zy at 2:58 was that your actual score of around 199ms? i cant seem to get below 250....and now im utterly obsessed with lowering it.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

On my gaming PC with the G703 I'm averaging 185ms now, can get as low as 165 at times. Might have something to do with equipment and software. 250 seems really high to me.

[@nebulamask81]

I was consdering getting a EC1-A, but the lack of software kills it for me. Only being able to adjust the dpi to a few presets isn't acceptable to me at this price.

[@hugh8709]

Great video!

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

I hope they launch an updated EC series without LED.. Or option to turn it off. I don't want to open it, cut the wire, and lose all warranty. Would be nice if they got rid of the red logo on the new ones too. White was better.. BenQ...

[@Terence.McKenna]

Seriously, this is one if the things stopping me from getting g the ec2a

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

Stan Morgan It's stopping MANY, I can asure you. Scrollwheel improvement + RGB (with option to turn it off completely) and ditch the red logo (make it RGB too) and they would sell alot more mice. I actually liked the "old" one better, before BenQ took over.

[@maximes4428]

Luckily, the white logo is the one I have :) I dont like the red logo too

[@qazzaaqq]

you would need software for rgb

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

Erik Gabrielsen then make software, who cares. people think "no software" is good, it does not matter as long as the mouse got fucking onboard memory and can store all the settings. but manufacturers are happy that some people think that no software is good, so they can save money on software development.

[@MSIGAMING4GGTX970]

amazing comparison :D

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+MSI GAMING 4G GTX 970 :D

[@RSN__]

+Rocket Jump Ninja What is the best mouse for you?

[@RocketJumpNinja]

R0SEN www.rocketjumpninja.com/top-20/

[@RSN__]

Rocket Jump Ninja The same in this month? Thank you ;)

[@ZiPolishHammer]

Owned and played with a Deathadder for roughly 2 years. Liked the sensor, but something about the ergonomics just wasn't right. If your hands sweat at all it's impossible to lift it properly, and the "rubberized" sides only make it worse imo. EC1-A on the other hand sticks to my hand like glue. If you've got big hands that sweat there's really no comparison.

[@kamasu4222]

ZiPolishHammer I have the death adder too I mostly palm grip it and it's a really good size , would you say go with the ec1a or the 2 like is the 1a a close size to the death adder?

[@tgsn_]

Amazing as always! Hoping to see the new m65 by Corsair on your channel in the future :D

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+Darren Dat G Thanks! In testing stages!

[@djt6fan]

Great channel. I'd get a Zowie if ONLY it had customizable dpi. I know I could set the in-game settings to match whatever sense I got used to, but I'm too lazy to get used to a new sense for my Windows :).

[@kmw5100]

my hands are 18cm long and 8.5cm wide. would you recommend Zowie EC2-a, EC1-a or Logitech G403 for claw grip? I'm coming from a Corsair M45 that I am really not enjoying the weight or exact shape of. could be a bit more arched and a little lighter.

[@csgoonly5350]

I changed my microsoft 1.1 to zowie ec1-a, zowie its very good aiming and moving but to me it is little bit heavy but i think it only takes time to play with new mouse

[@CFxRenaissance]

Where do you measure your hand length from? Wrist to middle finger tip? Also from the measurements it looks like Zowie is longer than Razer...but you said in the video you prefer smaller mice? I'm confused which one is smaller. I have a death adder and its too long for me...thumb cant reach farther forward side button. Thanks!

[@PredatorAlan]

My hands are about the same size as yours but I really love the EC1-A, never tried the EC2-A though, I can aim very well with it even if it's pretty big

[@MrInstinctGamer]

Grabbed an ec2-a and I gotta say, I play so much better on the DA and feel better on it the ec2-a feels awkward, I can see myself getting used to it but the sensor just doesn't feel as responsive and it sucks when I'm trying to flick. I liked everything else though lmao, gonna try for a g403.

[@jeremychan8620]

Bohunk Funk how is the g403? considering to buy it

[@jdswalker8615]

Just brought a EC1-a the other day from MWAVE

[@KindOldRaven]

+James Walker How is it treating you so far? :)

[@AzNWontonz]

+Kind Old Raven it is still on preorder

[@jdswalker8615]

+Kind Old Raven Unfortunately it is still on pre-order, but when I get it I will tell you how it is treating me

[@KindOldRaven]

James Walker Ah too bad, I hope it arrives quickly :D I've noticed a lot of people are really pleased with their ECx-a series mice lately.

[@AzNWontonz]

+Kind Old Raven Do not worry. The estimate Time of Arrival (ETA) is the 16th of May which is 5 days from now!!!

[@Simone.Giannini]

great as usual, i have a question, both looks poor quality in side button and scroll wheel or is just the video? i was really surprise today trying a4tech x710bk optical 12 euro and great in bf4, 3090 sensor, but really great build quality

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+Simone Giannini Best scroll wheel I've used is the Roccat Kone Pure, by far better than both of these.

[@Simone.Giannini]

+Rocket Jump Ninja www.x7.cn/en/product.asp?id=36 did you ever tried this? bought for 12 euro

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Simone Giannini Not yet!

[@Simone.Giannini]

is old mouse but really build qualiti is great, i like contact you in private for discussion about mice, is it possible?

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Simone Giannini Too busy, sorry!

[@majnu100]

which mice from all you have reviewed has a lighter click force? Have you got the means of measuring it for those who wish to fire fast with the LMB?

[@CampionBun]

The scroll wheel on my Deathadder 2013 broke recently after normal use, and I purchased it 4 months ago. So yeah.

[@jordanwise5]

which mouse is best for 19cm hands i play fps like h1z1,counter strike, battlefield also i need a mouse that can click fast and can move smoothly for games like runescape

[@tuomuli9322]

Frizz Rival 300

[@lotfi256]

well the steelseries Rival is an amazing mouse for big hands

[@xzZZZ799]

ec1b or a

[@TrapMusicStreetMusic]

Amazing channel, Just the video i was looking for. Do you think its worth it to switch from the Deathadder Chroma to the EC1-A?

[@geeza3375]

Is the plastic texture of the ec1-a easy to grip with dry hands? Or nah?

[@nobodyreadthis]

Hi Zy, I have an EC2eVo old version, an EC1eVo Red/Black/White(I think it is a special edition) and a Final Mouse 2016. Is BenQ's EC2-A an improvement compared with these ones? Thanks,

[@Deta335]

I think im gonna buy the zowie ec1-a now , i have the razer deathadder chroma , its a good mouse but had to replace my first one due to a loose left click , i got it replaced by a local shop and i tested the new one in the shop seemed ok , 2 months later the right click was loose on this one , gonna send it in for warranty but razers build quality doesnt seem like premium quality , hopefully the zowie ec1-a will be better in terms of quality. Also my old razer mouse , the razer naga 2014 had a failed scroll wheel after 1 year , i just wish razer addressed these isues

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+Deta335 Sounds like you've been unlucky... my Razer mice have lasted really well. The few that were bad were bad straight away, so I just returned them.

[@Deta335]

Rocket Jump Ninja lucky you :) i just wish they had better QC , razer mice are really great if they dont break down

[@xgarchomp4944]

Razer DA Chroma + Sensor feels more responsive than my ex mouse SS Rival 100 + Light weight + Scroll wheel feels good for scrolling web pages + Looks sleek and has nice color options + Side buttons are good enough, nothing to complain + 50 DPI steps (50, 100, 150, 200...) - Build quality, while deacent, is not the best - Skates are pretty small

[@RocketJumpNinja]

The small skates might be why it feels more responsive too. I still haven't worked out what's going on with that, but apparently they did sensor tests and the G900 had less delay than the DA.

[@BelialsRevenge]

This is exactly the video i needed. Im going with the DA 2013 tho

[@ScoutWolfSW]

I have a hand that is 7.5 in long by 4.5 in wide and I am having a hard time deciding on whether I want to shoot for trying to use an EC2-A, or just go with the EC1-A since my hand is wide. Thoughts anyone?

[@amputech]

which is best for porn browsing

[@elobenc5753]

Your mom's mouse

[@furiouslyme6410]

You want a mouse that is easy to clean from jizz. I would suggest the Zowie EC2-A since it doesn't have a lot of edges and less things for jizz to hang or seep into.

[@amputech]

Funnily enough it ordered that exact mouse this morning :)

[@kaihardingfan6628]

g502 is worst mouse for porn browsing as jizz can get into all them tight spots

[@kmah324]

7hawk I'll give that award to the mad catz pro x

[@SkyString_]

Bought today an EC2-A (new version) after seeing your review for FPS gaming, I had an Mionix Castor but I will give this a try. I like a lot of your reviews, do you still recommend it? I notice my scroll wheel is more clicky and loud than the old version. Is this normal? Another question to you if you can answer is, the OS you use? I use right now the Windows 10 Pro, but if I'm not crazy it feels different than 8.1... Not by much but i still think I can feel some difference... And yes I untick the mouse acceleration in options in both OS´s and my monitor refresh rate is OK (165Hz). Thank you and hope to ear from you soon.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+Frederico Andre I use Windows 10 pro too. I didn't use 8.1. So I'm not sure. The scroll wheel is a bit more clicky in the new versions. But yes I still recommend the EC2-A.

[@cerbadan]

For me the place where my fingers touch the mouse in order to pick it up is the place where should be wider, and not only the back of the mouse. Is the Zowie wider in that area (middle to the front a bit) compared to deathadder?

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+Dan C DeathAdder is wider.

[@xypan9169]

Is ec-b series coating that bad Zy? I have ec1a and really love it but 3310 feels weird to me. Really need your answer.

[@xxbucajucaxx7426]

I am switching from a palm grip on the Razer naga and play cs and other fps games should I choose the EC2-A or EC1-A. My hands are about 19cm long

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+XxBuca jucaxX EC2-A would be my recommendation... smaller mice are easier to aim, from what I've found.

[@CaimanAlphaFoxtrotMike]

so the deathadder arrived to my doorstep to day and i could not wait testing it. I find it really liberating getting a mouse of this weight. Ive been using the mouse from corsair. the corsair m95 vengance, black. My god what a heavy mouse, i cant do flicks nor was i able to small adjustments with it in quick movements. and because of its unique shape ive gotten used to it sadly that means my hand does not feel compftable with the deathadder. although i really like the rubber pads and its weight :D though it seems like its curve is too aggresive for my own good and im unable to get a good grip with it.

[@CaimanAlphaFoxtrotMike]

also i realized the "bumb" or top curve of the mouse is too far forward. if that makes sense... it feels like an ambidextrous to hold.. just ew. also because i cant find a good grip its allmost impossible to pick up

[@CaimanAlphaFoxtrotMike]

i find it small. damn... FUCK i thought i found a mouse i would like. alas.... i its not the one T_T

[@RocketJumpNinja]

How big is your hand? Also when I get a mouse with a really different shape, it some times takes me 2 weeks to adjust. I hated the Razer Copperhead for the first month, paid $100 for it, but after forcing myself to use it, it became one of my favourites.

[@CaimanAlphaFoxtrotMike]

jeg i do hope so. just a little nervous for buying the wrong mouse. I have no intention of just returning it just after afew days.. i do like the mouse. but perhaps it is about adaptation cheers

[@CaimanAlphaFoxtrotMike]

my hand is odd... i guess. on the smaller side but i can still claw grip the mouse allthough the palm grip feels much less aggresive

[@AzNWontonz]

After corsair m65 pro rgb, I want to see a scroll wheel test or Zowie mice and mouse pad comparison

[@ill-hl5gd]

I just wish they made a smaller deathadder like the ec2a and ec1a

[@Arjun-so5bh]

Smaller mouse with light clicks for moba? Was deciding on the rival 300. Hand size 18cm long and 8 cm wide

[@ToxicFantasma]

G303

[@labuscj]

haven't you experience any problems with the scroll wheel on the zowie ec1-A as i got one and having problems whit the up scrolling

[@JacopoTirelli]

just saw my hands are same as yours, do you feel better with 1 or 2 ?

[@NagyGergely0012]

my current mouse does not work as it should.... i really like these mouse but i cant choose between them... which one is better in temrs of durability... i dont want to buy a new one after 5 months couse it already broke....

[@al1ve427]

Get the Deathadder Chroma if you're not serious about gaming (Pro gaming). If you are serious wait for his review on the deathadder elite, and make your decision then. I'm personally leaning towards the Deathadder Elite because of the build quality

[@jendrikschmidt]

can you explain to me why you would recommend smaller mice or do you maybe have a video about it?

[@yourdadsblackberry7997]

It's because smaller mice generally mean lighter, and he is a very competitive gamer. Smaller mice mean that you can move them further around the mouse pad.

[@jendrikschmidt]

+voяn thanks mate makes sense will try myself

[@yourdadsblackberry7997]

+Anatas np ;)

[@deusvult6900]

The small Teflon pads on the Deathadder worry me...

[@zakdamovieman]

Hey Zy, would it be possible for you to get your hands on the Ducky Secret mouse? It would be interesting to see your take on the new old age mouse. Also has any of your concerns regarding the fnatic flick like the LOD been fixed?

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+Zak williski Hey, still haven't heard back about the Flick, I guess they're having trouble fixing it. And still trying to get a Ducky Secret.

[@zakdamovieman]

+Rocket Jump Ninja Also, quick side note ahhaha, what map do you test rocket jumping on, I can't find it anywhere?

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Zak williski Campgrounds! Used to be called q3dm6.

[@AzNWontonz]

+Rocket Jump Ninja u can get the ducky secret mouse in PCCasegear

[@kevvsterrr9999]

Guys I'm stuck on the EC2-A and the Deathadder, I want them both... but I can't try out the Zowie mouse anywhere around me?! Pls help me if you see this!!

[@jazo9422]

I use a deathadder and my hands are 15 cms could be 16 1/2 cm and Im pretty good at CS but the problem is I feel like I dont have much control and my movement is bad but I cant get used to other shapes after using the DA for so long I was wondering what I should do get a ec2-a a g403 or keep my deathadder

[@CaimanAlphaFoxtrotMike]

yo ive been using the Razer death adder for about 1 munth and ive come to the conclution that the mouse is still uncompftable to use. im in a dilema if finding the mouse i like. i dont have the budget to buy every mice i would consider testing. what should i do? if the deathadder is uncombftable to me then would the zowie be just as "bad for me" aswell? the main issue i find is that the deathadder is too flat and difficult to grip. the rest/grip is not so healthy for my fingers as ive been having pain issues on my joints of my ring finger :/

[@CaimanAlphaFoxtrotMike]

atleast it feels flat. maybe its just too long. as my former mice the razer naga 2012. corsair m95 vengeance were very nice to hold. but somehow just didnt cut it. the m95 is too heavy and the razer deathadder is next to impossible to pick up

[@jonno5581]

My hands are just about 20cm long and 11cm wide. Right now I'm mostly playing Minecraft PvP but I am going to get CS:GO soon. My grip style is hybrid palm/claw and, with a smaller mouse, also finger tip mixed in with it. Right now I am using the Roccat Lua, which I am not very happy with. The max width I move my mouse in game is around 23cm. (incase that makes any difference) I still can't decide which of these mice to buy.. Do you, or anyone else, know how jitter clicking compares between the two? I am leaning towards the DeathAdder because you say its a bit more responsive but I really don't know. Thanks for taking your time to read this! :) and a big like from me!

[@JamesNade]

+JustJonno Both are great mice, the clicks on the Deathadder are easier to spam and jitterclick. For 23cm/360 both of the sensors will almost get bored and will handle it without any problems. If you don't plan on playing super fast paced fps games then you should consider lowering your sensitivity for csgo, since 23cm/360 is pretty fast (obviously it is personal preference and tons of people argue over this matter). I would say you should get the EC1/2-A or ZA-11/12 with your handsize. My hands are 21cm long and 11 cm wide and i can use the ZA-11 perfectly fine in any grip (palm,claw,fingertip) while with the deathadder palm feels amazing but claw just doesn't work for me and many others with it. Good luck.

[@Muizkin]

+JamesNade a

[@jonno5581]

+JamesNade Thanks for the help and opinion bro! I didn't mean that I do a 360 in 23cm, I do a full 360 in much less. :P And my play style is very like reaction based and/or twitchy sorta? I like to play fast paced and quite competitively. One main concern, for me, about the Zowie mice is the buttons. I'd like to use the side buttons quite a lot and they don't seem too great on the Zowie. And apparently is harder to aim and jitter click with the buttons being harder to click. ....are you there Zy? :{

[@ill-hl5gd]

I miss my old ec2a that had the different switches. I really like omrons and it felt similar to that. the deathadder is a little too big , so that wont work either.

[@aka-.-1981]

i want a mouse thats like the zowie fk1 size or smaller if possible do you recommend any mouse thats i should get. i was thinknig about the razer death adder chroma or final mouse 2016 tournament pro

[@qilin8376]

Waiting for dat FK2 review :>

[@GotsHank]

I think i'm going to buy a deathadder soon, since I can't buy a ec1-a where I live and shipping is expensive. Which deathadder is better? The chroma or the 2013 edition?

[@Alexxandru09]

chroma , because have new senzor 3989.

[@Neroxidy]

I don't quite understand why the zowie doesn't have any software to configure the buttons. I mean, okay, they're tailored for FPS players, but why would you add 2 sidebuttons if there's no way to configure them?

[@rileyshaver39]

+Neroxidy The idea behind having a driverless mouse for FPS is that a lot of high level FPS players are going to be going around the world to LAN's and might not want to have to deal with downloading software so in this case, the driverless nature of the Zowie mice is more convenient. That said, I agree that it can be annoying not being able to configure the side buttons and/or the lighting.

[@honzas_97]

+Neroxidy It's pretty much meant to be a professional FPS mouse (you can see just how many CSGO pros are using it). You don't have to worry about software or any settings with drivers. You just plug it in and it's working excatly the same on every computer.

[@honzas_97]

+Neroxidy And you can configure those buttons in-game or use them for push to talk in team speak. You just can't assign macros or any special functions to them.

[@oriya1385]

If I have the deathAdder elite and I want to upgrade is the ec2-a a good option?

[@T0xiCss]

Great video ! I have a question, will you review the new SteelSeries keyboard ?

[@RocketJumpNinja]

+lecurde Thanks! Maybe.