ZT0850 Initial Review: Much Hype, Strange Design, Poor Execution

As a result of this Pilate made efforts to release Him, but the Jews cried out saying, “If you release this Man, you are no friend of Caesar; everyone who makes himself out to be a king opposes Caesar.”
Therefore when Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out, and sat down on the judgment seat at a place called The Pavement, but in Hebrew, Gabbatha. Now it was the day of preparation for the Passover; it was about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, “Behold, your King!” So they cried out, “Away with Him, away with Him, crucify Him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar.”
Jon 19:12-15

[@ctaber2011]

The guy whos waiting a month for this to be sharpened is gonna be very upset.

[@CASTRO45ACP]

Nah, if you like the knife it only matters that you like it, who cares what others think?

[@kneedeepinstatic380]

Yeah, the knife sucks. But that pious, nauseating way of opening the review sucks much more. Get over yourself.

[@fourevergreen2843]

Rob, please lay off the comedy it doesn't come naturally to you! I'd prefer you get off your high horse and just review the knife. You are acting like a Brooklyn hipster with your snarky condescension. I never even saw those other reviews you spent 10 minutes talking about. Also, don't act like you're not a drooling knife knut like the rest of us.

[@aedriqwert2456]

oi man could you stop being sarcastic and just say the points that make you disliked this knife. i don't have time watching

[@sergeigol497]

People who will buy this knife knife, will buy it for its unique looks. All the design flaws you mentioned except blade centering clearly can be seen in the pictures. If someone chooses to buy this knife is hardly worth complaining about irreversible clip or finger choil. This review is spiteful and pointless.

[@meatblade3490]

8-10 minutes of sarcastic criticism of other reviews and still no mention of your impression, technical aspects or anything that you normally might talk about in your initial reviews? I just don't have the time/interest/patience to sit through/scan for where the actual review starts. Much different than your usual standard.This video is a swing and a miss, Rob. I look forward to checking out your next video though.

[@TheApostleP]

Brian Duncan There actually is a point to all that, Brian. I've grown weary of cleverly placed knife commercials masquerading as reviews on KZbin. I think it's irresponsible and it costs people money. Guys search KZbin reviews for help making purchase decisions, thinking they're going to get objective evaluations of products. That's why they're called "reviews." The first part of this video was a shot across the bow of manufacturers and KZbinrs who produce the type of content I'm talking about. You should watch the other ZT0850 reviews I mentioned and see what you think.

[@TheZack88888]

I came here because I didn't want to see any of that. If you could just let us know where the actual review starts, that would be great.

[@TheApostleP]

TheZack88888 Sorry you didn't get what you came for, but the first part of the video, in the judgement of the management of this channel, was a point worth making.

[@meatblade3490]

I went and watched them Rob. In that context, the first part of your video makes a lot of sense; I still feel it should be in a separate video, but I really respect you don't shy away from calling it as you see it. Thanks for the explanation and clearing up my ignorance on this. Other than you and Christy, I don't follow any knife channels anymore so was fairly oblivious to what's happening.

[@thedaver8]

Rob, I respect your opinions on knives--even if I disagree with them. Here I definitely disagree with your opinions (and that's fine). I don't own one, but I really love this knife. I would offer one criticism, though: this review seems more like a rant against other reviewers and not a true review about the knife. Maybe everyone is saying the same things because they are paid off, but maybe they're just saying the same things because, hey, there's probably not a lot of new things you can say when reviewing the same knife between multiple people. It honestly came off as a bit cynical, and not very helpful to me as a viewer of your channel, who is coming here to watch your videos as a source of information and opinion on knives. God bless.

[@fredculiner3687]

I am certain that this review will endear you to ZT. I loved your revue!

[@michaelwerblin6875]

Hey Rob. I just sent you an email a couple days ago mentioning that I hoped you would review this knife.....as I've been seriously thinking about getting it. You've given me pause, that's for sure! I appreciate the honesty and thoroughness of your reviews!

[@ChrisJohnson-ht3gx]

Refreshing....Thank you! How was the next one you got? was it centered?

[@bill3117]

"Other than that Mrs. Lincoln how did you like the play?" ;) I have one on order, and appreciate being clued in on the knife's issues. If the blade is not centered out of the box back it goes, even though it was on sale/discontinued.

[@TheTikinator]

I'm new to these "new" "modern" "tactical" "non-traditional" (don't know what they are really called) knives. Rob, you have helped me learn to appreciate them more. But I'm going to be honest and maybe draw some fire, I've always thought they looked like glorified box cutters. But don't get too mad at me. I actually understand, very well, the allure of collecting and appreciating things that are so well designed that they defy the normal standards of quality, aesthetics, and functionality. Apple calls it 'elegant design' I think. So, all this to just say that, I appreciate Rob and his reviews. I watch them all. I look forward to the knife sales on Thursdays. We all have our opinions and don't need to get so ticked off at each other. And Rob, do what you want with your KZbin channel... after all it's your channel and it's still a free country, I think.

[@CedricAda]

I've had some issues with S35VN on ZT knives retaining an edge. First was a 0909 and then a 0450. Is this a fairly unique experience to me or is there a more widely known issue there?

[@13Hangfire]

*A cold shot of reality coming from TheApostleP... thanks Rob for all you do!*

[@christopherbales1269]

Is the centering a factor of the sub-lockbar(TM) pressing on the blade? Or poor milling on the backspacer? BTW I'm still sour at ZT for taking my favorite microtech socom's out of production...

[@ashoppa]

Excellent review!

[@motoxrich1]

Hey ApostleP where do you learn so much about knives? You you read magazines? forums? I've always enjoyed watching your channel amongst others and I'm looking to diversify my knife related content.

[@paulthecpa2717]

You could have saved us all 26m and 20s by just saying that you don't like it.

[@mak450]

Personally I wouldn't consider that saving time, because there's no value there. When I watch a knife review I want the reasons behind the opinion, if you just give me the opinion and none of the reasons, yes it's quicker but it doesn't mean anything so I don't care about the time saved.

[@TheApostleP]

Sean Seevers I know this seems odd compared to most ZT reviews, but I feel a responsibility to actually analyze a knife as a tool and report on that analysis in such a way that it helps people decide how to spend their hard earned money. My reviews are not designed to make people feel good about a knife they've already purchased, just because it was expensive. But I hope you like your 0850 😉

[@rawr02009]

TheApostleP I dont think mocking other youtubers using a prolonged joke is something belongs to good review. But what do I know. Also I do not own the knife,.

[@rekozma]

+rawr02009 please remember this is one of his customers knives. he didn't buy it. it belongs to someone that sent it in to be sharpened. as much as it pains you to hear what he has to say he says what he thinks is the honest truth even knowing that one of his customers is watching this very video. just food for thought.

[@rawr02009]

rekozma please tell what does that have to do with anything I said?

[@NavYblu99]

"Hi, I'm going to spend some time giving you an opinion on a knife" Comments section: "GOOD GOD! HE GAVE AN OPINION I DONT LIKE!!! SHAME!!"

[@Chivalrous420]

Just got one used, man love the look but it has the exact same off centering as yours, cant fix it for the life of me, also it rocks on the detent when closed which is weird. Wonder if ZT would warranty it

[@magicdave93]

Those faults would really bug me Rob so thanks for honest review!

[@KurtsSharpeningService]

I picked one up today......love the looks of it.....blade is centered on mine......got it for $250 new in box at the local gun and knife show.

[@lesgarten]

I stumbled across this knife earlier this week. Thought WOW! Very cool! I want it! Then saw you had reviewed it and wanted to see what you thought of it. I watched your video and still want one! Am I wrong for that??

[@johnguilfoyle5341]

No you're right you buy what you like. One man's opinion,is just that an opinion,I have one and love it,that my opinion.

[@DoctorFrunkey]

I respect your opinions of this knife. It is almost awesome, but with alot of gimmicky flash that I think will not be remembered fondly. As a YT knife reviewer (with a smaller following) I was a bit miffed at first. I was excited to get a new ZT and made my video reflect this excitement. But my final review will demonstrate many of these same faults you describe. I also pay for my own knives. But I know who you are talking about....

[@DoctorFrunkey]

Also, mine came perfectly centered and smooth. Must be a lemon in your hands there.

[@TheApostleP]

Doctor Frunkey Thank you very much for that comment, Doc! I was in a similar position, albeit for different reasons, after a glowing initial review of the Spyderco Advocate (history well documented). It's a blessing to know that a fellow KZbinr, even one who might have been implicated by my "rant" in this video, understood the point of it. My goal in that effort was not to call people out, but rather to call for more objectivity in the genre of knife reviews. And just for the record, I realize my own shortcomings in that area. Thanks again for commenting in such a constructive way. PS This knife is on it's way back to ZT for repair or replacement due to the blade centering issue.

[@philipmarcus97]

How does ColdSteel's 20-cv stack up to Z.T.'s and Benchmade's?

[@luisdavo5692]

Keep up the good work you make good "honest" reviews

[@tomengelson1667]

Hilarious how you did the Canned KZbin reviews before your own review! Very good chuckle Rob. Seems it made a few people mad, but don’t worry about it. The fanboys will get over it

[@JasonNwin]

The design is very unique, borderline on goofy. I would definitely wait for the full on tactical theme when ZT releases an 0850 in all black. That would be ok with me. The first 13 minutes of the review almost made me want to get the knife although I knew you were being sarcastic. You just made all the good points about the knife seem so much more interesting. At the end of the day though, as much as you don't like chinese knives, I'm holding a Venom Attacker and thinking,"Rob would rather have this knife for the money."

[@ziggy71963]

So, a visually attractive blade (to some) without utility. Hmmm? What were the meetings like at ZT?

[@jerbearnone2012]

I normally like your long discussions about knife related material, but this video is flawed. You talk in a sarcastic verbal manner that profoundly denounces from your ethos. If I haven't watched so many your videos I'd have a scewed perception of your ideology of your channel. With that being said not too bad of point. I do believe this is worth more than the ZT 0804 CF which I paid about 280 USD for. I have not gotten the ZT 0850 yet but I prefer thumb studs and washers if they are excited correctly. Is this kife worth the 60 USD increase over the ZT 0804 CF? Thank you!

[@lamprozar1]

excellent review

[@jeffreyweber8006]

I do like the solid c.f., the blade shape, and the sub frame(mainly because you get c.f. on the lock side too) I think the revolver and bullet theme is goofy as all get out. It would be so much cooler with barrel style standoffs, a standard thumb stud, and a standard pivot. I'd also like some sort of choil so you could really take advantage of that thumb rest on the top of the blade.

[@Foodiedad17]

Well stated

[@zioo3117]

If you haven't, time to give us a review if you have carried it enough...don't you think?

[@stephenthompson1426]

Hey Rob! When are you going to post a vid acknowledging Spyderco's policy changes on warranty and loctite issues, and Spyderco's acknowledgment of Advocate issues? As fun as this vid is, I really thought that would be the ApostleP vid I would see this week.

[@TheApostleP]

ltlgiant07 Indy317 I'm still formulating that one in my head. I have a couple of issues I need to get a firm grip on before making the video. While I am happy about he changes in the warranty and Loctite policy, as well as the Advocate announcement, some of the verbiage in Mr. Janich's statements was bothersome to me. Kind of a "We're going to correct a problem that really isn't a problem" tone. Also, I want to make sure my video doesn't sound like I'm taking credit for these changes. I have absolutely no reason to believe my videos had much if any effect on Spyderco's decisions.

[@stephenthompson1426]

Thanks Rob! Love the videos. I'll give ya some credit even if ya don't want it -- I think Spyderco really did pay attention to the YT vids, including yours. Also your Advocate videos really helped me -- I was going to buy one and right before I did you put out your Advocate vids, which prompted me to hold off. Now I'm really glad that I did! Thanks again!

[@lee33htzdiscotech]

Rob Keeping It Real As Always! Have a Good One Brother.

[@seaferg5072]

I usually really enjoy your reviews, and let's be clear, I watched this whole review and will probably watch it a few more times. That being said, I feel like the sarcasm levels were a bit off the charts on this one. If I had designed/produced this knife, I'd have trouble not taking it a bit personal. That said, love the channel! Will continue to watch.

[@TheApostleP]

Craig Ferguson Yeah... this knife, and the "reviews" of it posted so far, kind of set me off. ZT has become very skilled at doing limited releases to select retailers, getting a small first wave of a new model into the hands of "fanboy reviewers," and then waiting for those first few glowing "reviews" to get some buzz going. Then they do the mass release, with hoards of collectors lined up to buy them based on those marketing videos disguised as reviews. This video was as much a statement about that as it was a knife review. They should take it personally.

[@seaferg5072]

I suppose that makes sense. There is definitely a line between advertising and just being manipulative.

[@kerryrwac]

This knife reminds me of the theme bikes that were built by American Chopper , form over function . It's gimmicky . The thumb studs in the way of the cutting path is something i never noticed until Nick Shabazz pointed it out , but it makes total sense . A lot of high end knives are guilty of it . ZT has a lot of better designed knives for less money . The 0452 CF is a Sinkevitch design done right . PS , it will also "wave deploy" when removing it from your pocket , which is fine if you're expecting it .

[@jknifeguy3043]

Hey could you do a video on common steels and what you like or don't like about it? For example CTS-XHP, BD1, S30V, S35VN, D2, etc. Thanks.

[@CedricAda]

J Knifeguy I would enjoy this concept very much too

[@FearNoSteel]

J Knifeguy Watch Cedric Ada's videos. He has a lot of videos about the steels you are curious about and he is a fun guy too

[@93komuso]

So glad to see someone finally call this one out for being the monstrosity that it is. What were they thinking with that ridiculous bullet/revolver theme?

[@graemestewart4456]

Your beginning sounds like donald trump giving a knife review.

[@nicknine9046]

Hahaha! Spot on !

[@kenmarapese9085]

Nice vid, liked your "Emperors new clothes" reference. Love my 550-1.

[@Kevinclearysharpstuff]

Hey Rob thanks for the review I'm. with you on the revolver stuff I have one on the way so I'll have to interact with some of your points and see if I agree or not

[@zioo3117]

Kevin Cleary? The one whose name appears on the masthead of some of the Apostle P's vids? Good to hear from you. Not many people got this far. Got to hear the truth. Wonder if later issues to this knife will be corrected? AF

[@azraelsblade]

The first thing I said when I saw that knife was that it desperately needed a forward finger choil/sharpening choil... I really wish ZT would get this right.

[@mtkalimey9745]

I thought the same thing about the looks of this knife when I first saw it, but then I'm more of a traditionalist with knife shapes. Don't worry about the haters, your reviews have been spot on with my experiences, but I have a 452, 450 and a 620 that are all really good!

[@pshaps120]

You mentioned that it would take you 30 days to get to the knife, what is the usual turn around time from when you receive a knife to the time it is sent back to the owner

[@TheApostleP]

Jesus Christ Normally... about 30 days.

[@alanfrazer3291]

At least we have Rob to go to to get the real story, someone who says it how it is... love the sarcasm and the open and oh wait for it ...honest review. Keep up the great work..

[@justwanacoment]

Please don't repeat this format and make your own review, make your review that is 90% your opinions or concerns and comment on the strange miss steps that you think other youtube reviewers might be making. I have a zt0850 on the way and look forward to inspecting it for the valid negative points you made but I think its much more respectful to your viewers to not spend so much time on dry mockery.

[@TheApostleP]

Alex w Actually, it's because of my respect for my viewers that I made this video. I made a decision to do it, despite the fact that I knew I'd get comments exactly like yours. My responsibility isn't to other reviewers, but rather to people who watch knife "reviews" for the purpose of helping them make better purchase decisions. When the KZbin knife reviewing community starts to resemble disingenuous informercial producers pretending to be reviewers, I will call attention to that.

[@justwanacoment]

TheApostleP I respect wanting to call attention to the disingenuousness but I don't agree with spending this much time on that point. Look forward to hearing your opinion on knives in the future. Thank you for the quick response

[@christamu2]

Well it's no ZT 0630 now is it? I like ball bearing pivots as much as the next guy but sometimes it's hard to beat a dialed in washer pivot.

[@gendou0000]

Thanks for the heads up on this knife. I thought it was ugly in pictures but to hear all the problems you found is disappointing. If anyone asks me I'll tell them to steer clear of this knife.

[@renechavez870]

I still love ya Rob. I own one rexford mini epicenter- and yes it is amazing! Action construction, design, execution, feels like a custom small sebenza but smoother. The mini epicenter is on phosphor bronze washers, and the blade steal is com-154, and it's no flipper-- it has an awesome thumbstud. I've never owned a Sinkevich built product, but I own 3 Sinkevich collabs with shirogorov, Cannabis on washers, cannabis on mrbs, and jeans on mrbs- and I love his design eye. I love his style and his forward thinking. I don't own any ZT Sinkevich knives- I've thought about them. I do have a deal breaker with knives--- has to be centered or I would not carry or use it... it would drive me crazzzy!! That said.... I still only carry and edc and use my sebenza 21, with silver hardware. So even though we may disagree sometimes rob on asthetic knife design, sometimes, we both still land on the same spot! CRk 21 the best edc production knife

[@moparhemi1777]

perhaps the blade is ground inconsistent or bent... have this issue on my para 2 s110v. this way or another, its a bummer.

[@hovan2yourjunk]

Thanks for an honest opinion and review. As a result, I'll be canceling my preorder tomorrow...you definitely shed some light on issues that I hadn't noticed. However, I kind of feel bad for the reviewers who put out the videos that you mention. I don't think it's fair to assume that they had biased opinions. Maybe they just really loved the aesthetics and were caught in the honeymoon phase. Honestly the beginning of the review felt a bit too harsh to say the least. Having said that I'm really glad I caught this review and will be able to save that money and put it towards a more deserving knife. Thanks!

[@TheApostleP]

hovan-A-sec I appreciate your comment, and I must admit that although my harshness was based upon several years of experience watching the type of "review" I spoke of, it was harsh by design. It was designed to get the attention of the guys who post those videos, and the guys who watch them. Marketing videos packaged as reviews aren't very helpful to consumers looking for credible information upon which to base purchase decisions, and the KZbin knife review genre is becoming pretty crowded with them.

[@tonyscalise2852]

heck I thought the harshness was funny. it seems everyone always has to be hyped about something and this knife seems to be one of those things. just a good honest review from the favorite knife reviewer and sharpener. keep up the good work Rob!

[@jacksuquett1191]

Haha, when you brought up msnbc and CNN together, I knew where you were going with that! I'm subscribing!

[@iaaiah]

hey P. You forgot the pocket clip;)

[@dawhitecastle]

I do however agree with you about the finger choil or lack there of

[@jergensenC6]

thanks for the honest review , Rob

[@david37922]

Thanks for the honest & early review, excellent heads-up on items to consider before a purchase, I think I'll pass on the ZT0850.

[@TheKillerKlok]

That moment when you actually like aluminum handles...

[@richardbryant7961]

Thanks rob I just cancelled my pre order finally a real review

[@scvgyn]

Grate review.

[@scvgyn]

Bold and funny.

[@ricktemmen6272]

Nice vid ... Telling it like it is ...

[@MrTIPPY30]

thanks for the fun review. love your Trumpian hyperbole at the start of the video was like some weird late nite tweet.

[@franksalem8580]

I watched the entire video and think it could have been shortened a little. Despite all the flaws pointed out, I think it is a sexy looking knife and I can't wait to buy one.

[@zioo3117]

Did you get it. Is it still sexy? Worth the kind of dough that puts it just about 100 bucks away from some really great knives; at least I think that's the case.

[@D00MTR33]

Rob, I like your videos and respect your opinion oc a function over looks knife which should(surprise surprise) cut which is revolutionary idea for a knife these days. That said I would have preferred you making a real review instead of mocking the rest of KZbin knife reviewers. Your subs know you shoot from the hip and don't BS when it comes to knives (advocate being a great example of a knife you give you honezrr opinion on even though you like previous GB knives). Sarcasm is at times hard to transfer through a video and it doesn't suit what I come to expect from you. Keep up your great work and take care.

[@frankbutta9344]

I didn’t want to believe this knife is goofy, but mine arrived today, and it’s worse! The lock bar insert barely makes contact with the blade, and a slight twist in either direction will release the blade(!!!!!). I’m a gun owner/collector, and I like revolvers, but this looks like some strange Orange County Choppers theme bike. The blade is sharp and centered, and the pivot screw was drenched in Loctite. The lock bar has almost no pressure, so in its current condition, I’d say it’s dangerous to use....

[@zioo3117]

Thanks, Frank!

[@slidetek]

I think a lot of the excitement over this knife is that _at last_ ZT is producing one of their concept knives for the masses. So we've got an inexpensive 0777/0606 that will be made by the thousands instead of dozens. I have to admit, I was smitten when I first saw it being flashed around in January. I did like the theme, and the form still following function to some degree. However, the design cues are already beginning to wear a bit thin for me. Thanks for talking about the blade issues, these are questions I had regarding the strange choices made here. Nope, for $325 I assume it's posing as an EDC and not a safe queen. In that regard, there's too many concessions.

[@zioo3117]

I agree. Add that the six shooter cue strike me as a little strange. Are they appealing to really mature gun owners or the irresponsible who would like to shoot out some rounds when ever they feel like it. Not sure what they are feeling when they feel like it?

[@DRum886]

I had my Sebenza 21 in hand and just grinned throughout the video. Then I just realized that my We Knife 703E is damn near perfect out of box, as with many cheaper in comparison, at a fraction of the cost. That said, ZT's BEST knife is the 0220, although I do wish it had barrel spacers instead of direct thread to titanium.

[@hityoutwo]

DRum886 the threading through Ti is keeping me from pulling the trigger on the 220 and 456. I don't know if it's a real issue bc the 300 series did it too. Still worried about stripping em though

[@jeffreyweber8006]

Hahaha. I posted my comment right before you talked about wanting a choil!

[@MrGeerbear]

Rob- Thanks for the the honest review. I've never heard CPM 20cv criticized before. At first blush, this knife didn't appeal to me, but it has grown on me. Aesthetics are highly objective. I think you were a bit hard on this knife. It is better than anything Spyderco or Benchmade have come with this year. It has the quality in build and materials to take on Reate, WE, Maxace, Rike and Kizer. You should do a video update on steels.

[@TheApostleP]

MrGeerbear I wasn't really criticizing CPM-20CV. I actually like it a lot. But when I watched other reviewers talk about how it was such a "high end steel," while admitting they knew nothing about it, I thought it was worth mentioning. I would expect a production ZT for over $300 to have a more ambitious steel application, and it IS more chippy than its two cousins. It might be better than any Spydie released this year, but I definitely rate the Benchmade Presidio II higher than the 850, especially given its $140 lower price.

[@zioo3117]

Spyderco Paramilitary series, new or old will work like crazy for years; this one? Not so muh.

[@tylermains9533]

Could the single washer be the cause of the centering problem?

[@TheApostleP]

Tyler Mains Ha! There are two, Tyler.

[@tylermains9533]

TheApostleP ok I was thinking there was only one because there was only one in the picture

[@michaelfowlkes4729]

TheApostleP awesome review very informative you saved me $320 thank you

[@subroc4]

Skip to 9:40 for the proper review, or if you're adverse to extreme sarcasm. Thanks for the review. Knew you were going to say something about the plunge line. Glad your customer didn't send you a new ZT0460 to sharpen, you would have had a heart attack hahaha

[@TheApostleP]

subroc Truth! This one is on it's way back to ZT for repair or replacement due to the poor centering.

[@joshuabriggs7114]

As usual Rob you get down to brass tacks! Could have been a nice design with more focus on the essentials and less energy spent on silly motif elements. BTW, I think your review could have been improved minus the 1st 10 minutes of sarcasm. I don't mind a little well earned derision and that's one of the things I appreciate about your videos-you don't pull punches but you went overboard on this one!

[@dalecarpenter8828]

i hope anyone considering that knife sees your vid .cool .

[@bumstudios8817]

Holy cow that's a different look... me likes!

[@Ploskkky]

Do I detect some sarcasm? :) To be honest I absolutely love the looks of this knife. That is not to say I would'nt like to see a few changes. For example I do not like how the back of the blade sticks out a little in closed position. I do agree with your criticisms about the execution. By the way... serious review start at 13:00.

[@rjprescott4742]

I'm keeping my Lionsteel solid carbon fiber lockback.

[@DRum886]

My local dealer just got one in, and I have to say, it came pristine in all respects. The Sinkevich grind is the only thing that kills it for me. They need to give a choil on all of his knives, because that grind kills sharpness.

[@marrenmiller]

Nice review Rob. Nice to see someone not just restating the same boring talking points over and over again. As an aside, you might want to consider naming ZT videos as "ZT ####" rather than "ZT####" as it seems the former is what shows up best on search results.

[@oneisnone7350]

I like to hear varying opinions. Many reviews do tend to be cookie cutter, and you have to wonder if it's just because people are getting paid.

[@istvantoth7431]

Loved how you trashed the Dems... 👍🇺🇲👊👊 Subscribed!

[@TheApostleP]

Thanks for the sub!

[@SwarthyPlinker]

The different finishes on the carbon fiber are what bother me the most about the looks.

[@kirknyman1]

This review comes off sarcastic, condescending and angry, however many valid points are brought to light. I Totally agree about the forward finger choil idea and that it is a touch overpriced, but if ones not a fan of subframe locks or the firearm theme throughout the knife, that criticism only reflects your preference and taste with this design, and has no bearing on it's factual quality and worth. All in all a good video though and I do respect your opinions by and large.

[@TheApostleP]

kirk nyman I must admit, Kirk, I was a bit angry when I made this review video, and sarcasm is my “go to” technique when I’m angry. Pretty passive aggressive I suppose. But I do get quite tired of “reviews” of knifes that sound like the marketing copy from a manufacturer’s website. The ZT 0850 reviews online prior to this one were the worst example of that I could remember at that point. Thus, this video. Perhaps I should have waited a day or two 😉

[@kirknyman1]

There's likely many reviewers working for the blade companies giving glowing reviews to help push their product, not being honest and objective perhaps. I don't really know, I just love conspiracy theories, lol.

[@05generic]

I can understand how it would sting like a wasp if someone explained why the tool you just forked over 3+ C-notes for is not as special as you thought. Honest reviews should be appreciated and people should be patient and wait for one before they click Proceed to Checkout.

[@bebo7002]

Keeping it real as always

[@sputumtube]

So.....apart from the silly thumb-stud, the crazy back-spacer, thin-ness of handle, sub-standard blade steel, lack of choil and bad ergonomics..."what have the Romans ever done for us"? Cracking vid...borderline 'Hall-Of-Famer'. Thanks for posting Rob..;)

[@charredhusk]

I get where you are coming from on this, but there really does need to be a little more of a decided review here. I know why you did the bit at the beginning, but frankly it went on for so long that it pretty much killed the legitimate review that came afterward, and it sounded like even you were having some trouble keeping it up at the end of the bit. That being said, I do appreciate your opinion, and understand where you are coming from on this one. I do wish that they had toned down the weird added quirks in this knife like the "gun cylinder" theme in the whole knife, and kept it to a little more functional designs. Especially since the knife is very light for the size and I know that a large number of people have had very good luck with the QC on this knife, and it seems like MOST (and I mean most) of them are centered, well tuned, and smooth. Could have been a home run, and I get your frustration, but it really did feel like you were going a little overboard on the other reviews here. I have seen other negative or mixed reviews on this knife, so I will also say you are not alone on this one. Still always good to see a new video from you. Hopefully we see some better iterations of this knife in the future that aren't so crazy...

[@braidyfisher]

2 of some of the most renowned modern folder designers... and they come up with that fugly thing!? *BARF*

[@reapergearbenson6812]

badass blade

[@dubglock2312]

glad to see your input on this blade

[@MrAliaspostmortem]

good one! Guess that you among others pointed at Epic snuggle bunny - he's never critical about ANYTHING, he just to sell stuff no matter how bad it is. 😁

[@DeathBecomesHerDeathBecomesHer]

I wish ZT would use some beefier hardware that looked a little nicer. Those screws look cheap.

[@rpnp2]

Don't plan on buying it, but i actually like the looks.. funny intro though

[@indycancer04]

for me the Les George 0920 was the standout design this year from ZT.

[@wOrdTHANATOS]

I thought it was ugly and tacky as soon as I seen the knife at blade show. zt needs to get back to making the work horses used to make like the 0300 0301 0302 and 0550

[@ctaber2011]

I bought 1 of these and I'm kinda upset with it, I think I will be sending it to you for consignment.

[@dawhitecastle]

Mine also came perfectly centered just so you know and hasn't budged at all but maybe this customer got a dud

[@johobo2038]

DaWhiteCastle doesn't seem like there should be duds at that price point. Just my opinion of course.

[@MrGeerbear]

There shouldn't be but there are.

[@ScottyBennitone]

really wanted to like this knife , but I think the hardware , besides the carbon fiber ( which I like ) makes the knife look a little tacky imo..

[@khahillurhsheilf9256]

quality control lunch break. and it would be appreciated if you just came out and said you hate ZT as a company, and stopped doing these sarcastic reviews on them. i love all your other videos rob!

[@TheApostleP]

Khahill Urhsheilf I think if you look, you'll see some pretty favorable ZT reviews on this channel. The 804, 808, 550, 562, 392, 620/630 and 801BRZ come quickly to mind. But I also point out their faults, and they have some. Some they've corrected, like spinning female pivots, perhaps because there are still reviewers who do objective reviews.

[@jonathanchamblee7863]

Dang ,that's some beautiful carbon fiber though!!

[@knifecollector031thenether9]

I already thought i went crazy by not liking this one that much as the hype implicated.

[@HellBent4Kitties]

anybody Think the back spacer looks like screw driver bits end to end