If anybody works out a Kickr Climb Sterzo hack let me know how you do it - someone must be able to find a way ?
@davem19664 жыл бұрын
I hope kickr is working on something that works with the climb
@Demon09-_-4 жыл бұрын
@@davem1966 hopefully but sadly they have to wait 10 months as elite got a deal for that long with the protocol zwift is using
@garylucas70504 жыл бұрын
DC Rainmaker always brightens up my day ...I’m not into all this steering lark but your enthusiasm and knowledge is always worth a like ...long live the Rainmaker 👌🏻🚴🏻
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
Haha...thanks!
@JimHaysom4 жыл бұрын
Bought this morning. Lost my Tacx steering block when I sold my old trainer and tyre has been on the floor. Bonus feature now is connectivity and steering, #win.
@muzbudin36664 жыл бұрын
Another concise yet comprehensive review by the King. Thanks DC! I am a very keen racer and now am sweating on being able to use the 3rd set of buttons on my Stages bike. Will also help massively in the WTRL format - 8 members rolling turns is often a shambles at the moment.
@MattSwain14 жыл бұрын
Awesome, ordered! I tried the phone mount thing and that completely sucked but this looks like it’s going to work in meaningful way. Even though I rarely race, I see it making regular riding more engaging especially as more people adopt them. £69.99 in the UK Zwift store which isn’t unreasonable at all
@scottbakernc4 жыл бұрын
Awesome and thank you. Just purchased one solely based on your review.
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoy it!
@craigthomasutube4 жыл бұрын
captain pugwash From what I hear you’ll need to use the Companion app if you’re using hrm and smart trainer and an ATV. That’s kinda a bummer.
@mikeprytherch88754 жыл бұрын
I thought this was a stupid idea, I had the original Tacx iMagic Steerer and never used it, but after watching this review I've changed my mind (well sort of), in races I can see it being useful, when riding by myself I wouldn't use it, in terms of an advantage in races, well that is no different to having a faster bike, buy it or earn it, just like in real life 😀, great review thanks
@tonykasunic14 жыл бұрын
Just bought one, this looks amazing!
@chrisschafer62124 жыл бұрын
Where did you purchase?
@tonykasunic14 жыл бұрын
@@chrisschafer6212 The Zwift Store
@chrisschafer62124 жыл бұрын
DC Rainmaker Ray do you have it available to order on your site?
@FlandersCycling4 жыл бұрын
@@Dcrainmaker thanks, comment removed
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
I have a link from the site to Clever Training, which has some on order. Though not expected off the shipping container for a few more weeks.
@alfagtv1004 жыл бұрын
Cool tech. I went outside for a ride today.
@sebastianwlazlak80424 жыл бұрын
alfagtv100 what graphics setting you using riding outside?
@CEK05494 жыл бұрын
Ordered! I've been waiting for this for a year!
@thelmaviaduct3 жыл бұрын
What do you think of it?
@pyguy99154 жыл бұрын
Now we need support for this in GT Bike V 🤘🙂
@Ed-qv2qd4 жыл бұрын
PPL on rollers are out of luck. Would be nice if they made some kind of paddle like system/or some other type of device that attaches to ones handlebars.
@Demon09-_-4 жыл бұрын
Hopefully we will see other options once elite's 10 month deal expires
@rserton4 жыл бұрын
I can envision something like the Nintendo Wii sensor bar on your TV/monitor and reflective markings (stickers?) on your bars which could tell which way you're pointed.
@USMC71783 жыл бұрын
Great review! Thank you!!
@dpstrial4 жыл бұрын
When's the broken collar bone feature coming out? Well, things are getting more realistic.
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
If you sprint hard enough indoors near a staircase, you can enable it.
@BananaChipzzz4 жыл бұрын
Dylan Groenewegen has entered the chat...
@paulflory35323 жыл бұрын
Already have one, thanks. Not a great feature.
@ludwigs18774 жыл бұрын
Would be cool if wahoo implement this sort of technology into their climb. One device two functions.
@keithallen43134 жыл бұрын
I am putting my unit in the bin and you just cannot keep it connected using either the iPad or a android phone companion app. Worked for a few days then all the Bluetooth singles drop out all the time. I am using a Atv 4K with a Neo and Wahoo chest strap then add it the steering and it will not stay connected . Never had a problem before I added steering. Very good to start with till it goes wrong.
@scott37154 жыл бұрын
Love the steering feature. More interactive. Now for Wahoo and Neo to make a smart bike with steering.
@AndrewTSq4 жыл бұрын
Whats the next invention, making like a wheel you could attach to the rear of the cycle to cycle outdoors? Pretty cool what they could do with todays technology anyway.
@Demon09-_-4 жыл бұрын
🤣
@DangleBerriesPL4 жыл бұрын
lol
@gonzalezgaraypablo4 жыл бұрын
when you're climbing in a hairpin turn like alpe du zwift, do you feel a difference in the slope if you move from the inner to the outer side of the road?
@lauig4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting piece indeed. Thank you DC. I wonder how this would fare with one of those platforms that allow for more realistic movement of the bike, especially when climbing hard or sprinting.
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
Probably fine once you got used to it, sorta a double-double effect.
@adriandabrowski54544 жыл бұрын
Are you planning to make a review for Galaxy Watch 3 in the near future? It's hard to find good reviews that really test the data regarding accuracy properly, pretty much you and DesFit are the only channels that do good job in that regard...
@brawlstargamer14274 жыл бұрын
Please review Samsung galaxy watch 3
@mlegrand4 жыл бұрын
Vacation is looking good on you sir! 👊 (I don't actually know if you're on vacation but whatevs)
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
Haha...thanks! Just a few more days left. :(
@EricB034 жыл бұрын
Here comes Zwift’s new pricing of a bunch of people buy this. Pretty cool tech for sure but think I would pass as I don’t race.
@michimoo204 жыл бұрын
Screws over the people who bought the standard Sterzo and a phone mount (from Zwift shop no less), under the impression that was the direction being taken. A bum steer well and truly.
@RustyRacer4 жыл бұрын
LOL, they are worried about an unfair advantage with steering, yet Z-power is allowed in the same races as real powermeters.
@BooXdk4 жыл бұрын
Zpower in Zwift races and E-bikes in the TDF is the future 😆
@XX-is7ps4 жыл бұрын
Zpower gets flagged as such and excluded from results, so isn't really a problem. The bigger problem is that powermeters and trainers are so horrendously inaccurate that you can't compare one to the other anyway - with a 5% accurancy per unit, and variance between brands, as well as variants under temperature, or due to poor calibration, power from non-zpower sources that you "trust" can still be 10-20% out from the real figure.
@martinfarrell11123 жыл бұрын
Now we want wind and echelons! :D
@mrjoshuagordon4 жыл бұрын
This looks awesome!
@keithallen43133 жыл бұрын
Just done the up date on my Sterzo smart whicjh has to done for it carry on work
@trialmx4 жыл бұрын
My Sterzo Smart arrived a few days ago and appears to be a "V2". The feet pads are little taller and the bearings are some kind of poly material. It is fun to use in Zwift for sure but loses some of the smooth steering feel with the new bearing material. I may try to swap the bearings with my Sterzo dumb.
@DivisPetr4 жыл бұрын
well, for potential future races with steering only, Zwift could allow as a fallback option for the steering in Zwift Companion...
@DrEvilD4 жыл бұрын
At 5:56 it looks like the whole device turns (including the bottom platter) when you try to turn more than it allows it to, does that mean that from that point it is no longer correctly aligned when trying to go straight?
@Demon09-_-4 жыл бұрын
dang who needs the break burrito power up when you can just steer to the side of them LOL
@-_______________________.___3 жыл бұрын
wish we could enable or disable crash and off-road mode
@joejoe5704 жыл бұрын
I wait for Elite UpSterzo coming this winter which lifts up the handle! And then we can all ride into a Polo field🤣
@onlyfoolriding82234 жыл бұрын
As a NEO smart bike owner, this is cool, but I'm also sad I won't be able to use it.
@Stratulax3 жыл бұрын
Cool! Any information on whether or not some of the other training sites might end up eventually making this usable on one of their various platforms? Would be really interesting to see whomever else might adapt their system to make something like this more usable within their platform as well. Mine will be here on Tuesday. Can't wait!
@StuntpilootStef4 жыл бұрын
Imagine this working with the GTA V bike mod :O
@JimIBobIJones4 жыл бұрын
This is what has finally convinced me to bite the bullet and throw £1k at a zwift setup! Even managed to snag myself an early Sterzo Smart (coming from France to UK though, so I think I have a long wait before it arrives). Hopefully they will implement the function in the mod. Next they need to implement VR controllers so you can shoot guns whilst cycling.
@petetran40714 жыл бұрын
Am I the only who wonder why the front wheel quick release is on the right and not the left while watching the review of the road steering device?
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
It was a rental bike while I was on vacation. Picked it up from the bike shop and did some trainer rides, but didn't even notice. :)
@detroit0man4 жыл бұрын
At the moment any Hometrainer Manufacturer decides to use the “climb” feature by descending the rear part of the bike, instead of reaching the front, and Zwift enables a “brake or die” thing... I will be a kid again :) Also when Zwift enables “climb” on a treadmill :) would be much fun
@craigmnelson864 жыл бұрын
Wondering how long until we see this in the smart bike line up
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
Zwift says it's coming, but the 'how long' part is unknown.
@keithallen43133 жыл бұрын
Sadly Zwift saying they have no idea when the steering will be working again after the update stopped it working with the comp app.
@b1ggi4 жыл бұрын
need wahoo to release one compatible with the climb!
@suplego32244 жыл бұрын
I think that might make a bit of time
@Demon09-_-4 жыл бұрын
I feel the same I probably would not trade my climb function for the ability to steer
@suplego32244 жыл бұрын
But they could just put the climb on top one of these
@Demon09-_-4 жыл бұрын
@@suplego3224 if they had one with a base that moved to match the bottom of the climb it might work. the climb also does pivot so stability plus it moving for steerering may be intresting
@paulbancherau25744 жыл бұрын
Your well tuned into many product launches and my question is do you see Wahoo coming out with a similar steering product for those that bought the kicker climb? Sucks to be at a disadvantage and nothing you can do about it.
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
I doubt it. Elite has an exclusive till next April on steering products that aren't integrated into a smart bike.
@atanasg4 жыл бұрын
I suspect this may actually result in worse performance for many because you now have to manually position yourself behind others for maximum drafting effect and Zwift doesn't exactly make it easy for you to "feel the draft". Still, it looks like fun and I can't wait to give it a try.
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
Yup - it's not all free gains!
@timcorso63374 жыл бұрын
Zwift drafting = the kings new clothes
@Xalies3 жыл бұрын
I think splitting riders into the haves and have nots is a bad idea... maybe there's a better solution like not allowing cross drafting and since non steering users will always out number that's will be more then enough to make up for cornering advantages
@iliapopovich2 жыл бұрын
Steering is fundamental. You can project the shortest path on road by cutting curves and I wonder why this thing has been introduced 3 yrs later? Americans:)
@IanB174 жыл бұрын
Does this pair to your hardware device or the trainer? Just wondering how it works if you’ve maxed out your BTV connections on ATV.
@thiefoftime994 жыл бұрын
I use an Apple TV to connect my trainer to Zwift. Are there enough bluetooth channels available for me to use the Sterzo smart as well?
@stewartfeatherstone3464 жыл бұрын
David Hallam you will hsve to connect via the companion app
@joelfr0234 жыл бұрын
It is ok on a big sprint?
@neilgj63054 жыл бұрын
We the people that forked out over 1000 dollars for a Saris Rocket plate want a gyroscope to fit to our rocker plates. Natural bike turning.
@cycleoptic4 жыл бұрын
has any one tried with a kurt kinetic rock and roll, where side to side ( inc front wheel) motion is part of the USP ?
@andy4g634 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review Ray, it is awesome, even though not considered a review by you. Do you think Clever Training has them in stock? Thanks
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
They did have them in stock initially, but have gone through their entire allocation for the next few months. :-/
@ultramet4 жыл бұрын
I just purchase one. One question how does it perform on climbs? Can I limit the float/swivel.
@br549times33 жыл бұрын
In Zwift, can you choose to turn down a different road or are you stuck on the fixed route?
@NathanBudd4 жыл бұрын
This is very cool! Out of curiousity, does the gradient change on something like the Alp when you take the wider line vs the tigher line on a climb?
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
No, no change there that I know of.
@jonkirby9802 жыл бұрын
One year on and the answer is most definitely, yes it does now, particularly noticeable on hairpin turns.
@mickboekhoff4 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Regarding people not drafting from you: do other people see you riding to the side of the road? I thought drafting&positions was calculated client side. Will the gradient on hairpins on alpe du zwift change if you take the inner or outer corner?
@ewewell3 жыл бұрын
What is that where the rear wheel is
@glennoc85854 жыл бұрын
I wish.they'd.throw in on their smart trainer as I'm.looking.at an elite.
@zacharypeattie4 жыл бұрын
I might have missed this but will this work if I have a wahoo Kickr?
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
Any trainer, yes. But not a CLIMB.
@StuWebRT4 жыл бұрын
DC Rainmaker I don’t feel your committed enough:-). I would support a crowd funding project to see you bastardise one together
@craigwhitten14 жыл бұрын
Any chance they will make one which clips to Kickr Climb?
@iang28684 жыл бұрын
Looks great! Can it work with Kickr core and
@marksmithWLC4 жыл бұрын
Hi, how is this when you are out of the saddle pushing on a climb or sprinting? Does your avatar start weaving all over the road?
@jspaceman714 жыл бұрын
Any chance that Tacx/Wahoo/Saris will be coming out with a competing product in time for the winter trainer season?
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
Elite has an exclusivity deal till next spring (for non-smart bike bits).
@Scottishphil334 жыл бұрын
Hi, do you know if you can connect it to your iPad, along with your trainer, cadence sensor and heart rate monitor?
@SamLGND4 жыл бұрын
can i use this on my SARIS MP1 rocker plate ?
@SPetersonImages3 жыл бұрын
Will it work with the app in an Android phone?
@AndradeCycling4 жыл бұрын
Steering does not introduce different tensions in the bike frame ??
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
No, just like it doesn't outside. The plate rotates freely, just as your wheel would on a road surface outside.
@AndradeCycling4 жыл бұрын
@@Dcrainmaker Thanks !!
@jspahr4 жыл бұрын
Can you use the steering to decide which course you want to go down when free riding a map? (Ie. Do I want to go towards the volcano or towards the town)
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
No, not at this point.
@Cameroncrazi5234 жыл бұрын
This would be a huge game changer. They have to be thinking about trying to integrate this functionality at some point.
@EdDunkle4 жыл бұрын
Can you steer to choose different forks in the roads or is that still done through the phone app?
@charlesmansplaining4 жыл бұрын
I had the steering unit for the Tacx I-magic and the Tacx Fortius and the only thing steering was good for was to pretty much make your own routes. I did use it a couple of times when riding with other people in the multiplayer so I could go around them and not through them which was normally what happened but it was very hard to control and pick your lines. For me steering is not worth it.
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think one probably needs to separate out last steering experiences (even Zwift’s own), from this.
@Sebrgeen4 жыл бұрын
Can you try sticking a Kickr Climb on top of it and see how it works
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
I actually tried with the original Sterzo (exact same hardware, minus the electronics inside) - it didn't end well.
@Sebrgeen4 жыл бұрын
@@Dcrainmaker now that could make a good video. Zwift Device Hacking/Bodging - think of the viewing numbers
@gonthar14 жыл бұрын
Interesting for keeping a better draft during TTT races... #WTRL
@db-cx4ki4 жыл бұрын
What about the Tacx Neo Bike Smart?
@antmitchell99304 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if steering works in meetups ? Since meetups are now races with results
@thedronescene74744 жыл бұрын
Waiting for Garmin / Tacx to come out with a better one😏
@MrRobit334 жыл бұрын
Does it work with AppleTv ?
@sonnshined4 жыл бұрын
Any stability issues with full lock steer?
@ericfung4 жыл бұрын
I'm not a Zwift racer, but where do I pay?
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
You can buy already from Zwift’s shop, and various other retailers.
@petef154 жыл бұрын
Place your money directly down the drain.
@omarfiori2 жыл бұрын
Hello. Can i use smart steering even if my trainer is not elite? I use the zycle. Thank you
@Dcrainmaker2 жыл бұрын
Yup! No dependency on the trainer itself.
@ZOB44 жыл бұрын
It’s an interesting idea, but that’s not how you steer in real life unless you’re going less than three or four miles per hour. Most of turning above that is done by leaning, not by turning the handlebars. Also, I am super small and toe overlap would be an issue - not something I want to worry about indoors on the trainer.
@Ismaball3 жыл бұрын
Can we pair it with Rouvy platform?
@Dcrainmaker3 жыл бұрын
No, as Rouvy doesn't support steering.
@velotonbetatestvideos52944 жыл бұрын
Interesting that Zwift have taken this approach, unfortunately it does not change many if any aspect of racing on Zwift. Firstly it only gives you a lateral steer and collision function which is countered by the fact you can still ride through the rider in front of you so in actual fact defeats the whole purpose of having a steering facility. DC mentions that you can not go through a rider, this is correct but only in the lateral aspect which is irrelevant since the purpose id to continue to move forward. To counter this all you have to do is steer left or right, find a forward gap and move in or simply don't use steering and increase you power as normal and ride through the rider in a forward motion. The next thing is, who actually uses their steerer to steer like this. You use body position and balance and very rarely ever physically turn your steerer to steer. Big down side to this introduction, Point 1 £78 in the UK to get steering, 2. no consideration to Wahoo Climb 3 Will it work with Wahoo Smart bike or Tacx? If DC Rainmaker wishes to discuss the functionality of Velotons Steering and where we out strip others or any potential user wishes to know more then I will be happy to tell you. All this aside it is good that Zwift have eventually moved on this unfortunately they have failed to produce something that makes it a game changer for many reasons
@BeastoEastGaming3 жыл бұрын
Any reason to purchase this if you're using Fulgaz or other apps than Zwift?
@Dcrainmaker3 жыл бұрын
Nope, no compatibility at this point there. At least till April.
@michaelkennedy90314 жыл бұрын
Steering is unfair but the aero or feather boosts are fair? hmmm
@Lennartvanderkamp4 жыл бұрын
How did you experience the delay between steering and actually turning in in Zwift? I think there still is a small second of delay isnt it?
@allthenewz2 жыл бұрын
I found I could glide between packs and between riders it is very fast with no lag
@michaelkennedy90314 жыл бұрын
Apple needs to update the Apple TV. another piece of tech we can't connect due to it's limitations
@tehArcher4 жыл бұрын
well zwift haven't removed ZP users from races yet ...
@miguelprera26704 жыл бұрын
Does it qork with any smart trainer brand?
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
Yup!
@glasshouse754 жыл бұрын
Silly question... but will it work non Elite smart trainers ?
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
Yup, any trainer!
@roblovely48394 жыл бұрын
My thoughts are that they are a game changer but shouldn’t be allowed in races....... yet
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
They've already locked it down to Steering-only specific races.
@WowRixter4 жыл бұрын
Is it quite durable?
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
Seems it. I haven't heard any complaints about the base Sterzo edition yet.
@WowRixter4 жыл бұрын
DC Rainmaker 😎. Thanks Ray
@cyc000004 жыл бұрын
@dc do you normally steer your bikes handlebars like they are a bus steering wheel?
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
Do you normally ride your bike outside without a rear wheel?
@TheFlitzpiepe6664 жыл бұрын
how about choosing to turn left or right?
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
No, not at this point.
@tppwilnis26224 жыл бұрын
Is it onscreen noticeable if riders just the Sterzo?
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
No
@sergiodihno4 жыл бұрын
Does it feel intuitive like outdoor riding where you instinctively know you have to steer to go in the direction you want? I feel like with zwift, you're sort of just used to doing the pedaling and nothing else. So, did you ever just forget to steer and then realized it when your avatar was on the wrong side?
@allthenewz2 жыл бұрын
Nope it feels weird to steer. in the real world you lean not turn the handlebars. If i turned the handlebars like that I would crash in real life.
@sergiodihno2 жыл бұрын
@@allthenewz probably not really worth it and the kickr climb serves better purpose for "simulation" purposes (though at a higher price tag)
@RelecFilms2 жыл бұрын
Personally I am not a fan. The software needs a lot of work. It can be fun to use steering just on a normal ride, but it can be frustrating in even small groups. Whenever someone overtakes you, you immediately get pushed about a bike width to the side. If you get overtaken by two riders in a row you are essentially pushed out of the draft. But, it works the opposite when you try to overtake. You auto jump out a rider width to the side and often it is quite early. Even in real racing, I wouldn't pull out of the draft until my tire is within cm's of the rider in front of me. And the advantage for racing, well, basically none as it is disabled in most races. You had to time the ZHQ steering races or get into a mountain bike race. I've yet to enter a race where it actually isn't disabled.
@fernandodeachaval96974 жыл бұрын
How much are they selling the smart sterzo? I just bought the non smart sterzo, can I still ride the road steering courses with that and the phone or I need the electronic sterzo? Is there a possibility to buy an upgrade kit for the none smart sterzo?
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
I include all the prices for different currencies at the 0:52 marker. No upgrade kit unfortunately.
@fernandodeachaval96974 жыл бұрын
DC Rainmaker Thank you!
@perwiratempur4 жыл бұрын
When sprinting, does this thing moves around?
@Dcrainmaker4 жыл бұрын
It’ll depend a little bit on your flooring. If you have a trainer mat it tends to stick well. But at the same time, if you’re bouncing your front wheel a bunch, then it’s gonna be messier.
@hendranandradrone70644 жыл бұрын
Woo...its good ...don't forget ok
@mariogs18814 жыл бұрын
But tecnology in most phones allow to do this, I will wait app to mimic it.