2013 Mazda Miata (NC3) vs 2024 Mazda Miata (ND3)

2013 Mazda Miata (NC3) vs 2024 Mazda Miata (ND3) - Head to Head Review!

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@augustortiz 3 ай бұрын

Why do people dislike the NC’s looks? I think it’s one of the best looking Miatas. Especially in the top trims.

@Ben-bg2eg 3 ай бұрын

They never made a bad looking Miata

@NDEEZMiata 3 ай бұрын

Agreed…The NC2/3 club, particularly in red might honestly be my favorite looking Miata and this is coming from an ND2 owner. The NC1s are kinda fugly though… The NC2/3 is definitely the better car to build for the track, much more durable transmission and 2.5 swaps with cams make a good amount of power. I adore my ND2, but sometimes I wish I would have found a clean NC2/3 and saved some money. The ND2 with a few minor mods is such a great street car though

@jjchockey 3 ай бұрын

For me it’s the headlights and the curved hood line. It just looks very awkward in that area imo. I do really like the side and rear. I am still considering selling my 95M for an NC.

@jjchockey 3 ай бұрын

@@NDEEZMiataweird, I think the NC1 looks the best of the 3 stock bumpers. Though the Mazdaspeed bumper on the NC looks by far the best of any front end option for that model imo.

@tealruby1 3 ай бұрын

The club really makes the NC come together. It still ends up looking a bit frumpy and dated imo. Have owned both. People always thought the ND was a much more expensive car than it was. NC just looks like a little vert.

@salami99 3 ай бұрын

Dropping the obligitory: “I’m a simple man, i see miata I watch the video” and “Miata is always the answer” comment.

@dannyphamous 3 ай бұрын

Same ❤

@sunnyvalentino 3 ай бұрын

Miata taking over your channel repacing the legendary s2000. I like it

@oldatarigamer 3 ай бұрын

The NC won Car & Driver Top 10 cars award 8 times, more than any other generation.

@Kraize92 3 ай бұрын

ND hasn't even been out for 10 years lol.

@malcolmn.5222 3 ай бұрын

That was also back when there were more driver's cars being produced

@oldatarigamer 3 ай бұрын

@@malcolmn.5222 and when the Miata had the most direct competition, the Skystice

@peterscott2662 2 ай бұрын

@@Kraize92 It has been out 9 years though, So it should have 7 by now, right?

@felixb9146 3 ай бұрын

Great review! A bit surprised that the ND3 EPS is almost as good as the HPS of NC3, however great to have reviews that are focused on the steering feel part. Its exactly what i am interested in :)

@NFMazdaspeed 3 ай бұрын

I test drove an ND3 about a week or so ago. It was only 20 minutes or so but had city and highway speeds. Steering felt great to me - nicely weighted and natural. Could have told me it was a hydraulic unit and I'd have believed you.

@felixb9146 3 ай бұрын

@@NFMazdaspeedseems that there is hope from EPS too. If I recall correctly, Mazda Rx8 had EPS which was highly praised.

@gpajic1987 3 ай бұрын

@@felixb9146 I'm a HPS diehard but have to say the EPS in the RX8 was spot on

@felixb9146 3 ай бұрын

@@gpajic1987wonder why the heck hasn’t this good EPS catch on :(. Market is full of awful EPSes, no feel or feedback what so ever. Probably due to lane assist and all the semi useless systems that are requested by the majority, which doesn’t care how steering feels. Pity.

@gpajic1987 3 ай бұрын

@@felixb9146 it's definitely due to the technology that was brought in when EPS became for use with Lane assist etc

@hobiegal 3 ай бұрын

I don’t usually comment on car reviews, but I felt compelled on this one. I’m an ND2 owner and don’t care for the NC styling, so I’ll put that out there. It seems to me that putting a modded NC3 soft top against a modded ND3 RF is not really a good comparison. Stock vs stock, soft top vs soft top would be more fair. The RF is heavier and quieter than the soft top (we own both soft top and RF) so the RF is closer in weight to the soft top NC. The weight difference is noticeable to me, and the noise level is very significant. You noted that the weight was similar and the ND was quieter. Both of these are different with the soft top. The RF is also much more expensive than the soft top, so that also isn’t a fair comparison. However, I think your review was fair overall, and informative.

@MrElementex 2 ай бұрын

I had a NC2 BBR 200 when I lived in the UK. I remember when i sold it, the new owner whos other car was a 996 Turbo came back from test driving the NC and said he couldn't believe how well it handled, sounded, performed. A few months later he mentioned he sold the 911 Turbo because he could never choose it over thr NC on any given day

@masterkendro 3 ай бұрын

Having owned every generation a few times, the NC, although beaten in every measurable way against the ND, possesses some of the best handling and communication of any car I've driven. When the NC came out, we were in a recession and in order save money the car was designed from the RX8, mainly it's suspension, subframe etc all the good bits and it absolutely shows when driving it. I could do herioc stunts in the NC that I wouldn't dare try in another vehicle, just because I had such reasonable assurance that I knew how the car would behave and it often behaved in the that way. At the moment I drive an NB as I need to have at least one miata at anytime and I share a garage with a 20 M2 C and the miata is so much more fun than thr M2C, it's just so much car for the street but it's fun in it's own way don't get me wrong but I do think about selling the NB and getting another NC3, or ND3 as I haven't driven the ND3 yet but value wise the NC wins all day.

@Tony_miata 3 ай бұрын

Wow sounds like we have a similar taste in cars. I've had 10 Miata's and stuck w the nd. I too had a 2020 M2 c but didn't keep it long due to the overly disconnected feel of the chassis/shifter/steering.

@ZDY66666 3 ай бұрын

ND1 vs ND2 vs ND3 in one video where you drive back to back would be CRAZY

@Koishishibaman 3 ай бұрын

I owned 3 na Miatas. 90, 92 autocross, and my favourite. The 93le. All had some suspension and motor mods. The 93le had the OEM Bilstein shocks, with fcm bump stops. Jackson racing sway bars. Lanny alignment. Perfect canyon car. Great review on the newer cars. For me, the best car would be a 19 that I could justify putting money into to make the car right that for me. Spending 42k on a new one that I would change the suspension? Currently own a 19 mustang Bullitt with magnaride, and Ford racing m 9602 m suspension. Heavy car, but terribly fast on the corners.

@Jmorski 3 ай бұрын

@koishishibaman Agreed. That's why I found a good deal on a 2020. Bilsteins, LSD, etc. And just slapping on a Goodwin Racing exhaust gains you 9 hp. So many modding options!

@HighOnThunder 2 ай бұрын

FYI, the ND3 has a new steering rack with slightly less friction and custom programming by Mazda. However, everything you feel (on-center and loading up in corners) is artificial, it is the electric motor working 'against' you, hence no increase in actual feedback. So the ND3 might feel more 'natural', but the ND1/ND2 steering is actually more 'honest'. I wrote a long technical thread on the subject if you are interested.

@VictorPitstop 3 ай бұрын

The divide in the comments is fun. It’s a great problem to have 2 EXTREMELY good cars it seems. 😊

@ITNoetic 3 ай бұрын

Maybe things have changed, but at least 2 years ago, used ND2s were basically msrp but with 20k miles on them.

@Mx5pro 3 ай бұрын

Another fantastic video!

@MiataTrips 3 ай бұрын

For third year I drive 2009 NC2 2.0 soft top with OEM Recaros, Ohlins R&T, BBR exhaust header and few other mods making it around 180hp. I also drove fully spec ND3 Recaro 2.0 soft top several times and I confirm the review. ND is a superior car in every way, but with NC2 I get 80% of the ND3 and definetly 100% of the experience. I just love the hydraulic steering, port injection and this era of cars, it's just a great experience for the value, specially when a bit modified.

@wellfleetion Ай бұрын

The new ones are sooo much more fuel efficient, with more HP and the great interior. I would never pay $42k for one, but would definitely get the base version for 10k less as a primary car.

@18Mizzou 3 ай бұрын

Nice rev matching skills on the downshifts 👍

@JETZcorp 3 ай бұрын

I absolutely love my NC2. It's so well engineered. A great balance of good design without getting over-complicated. I think the bit of movement and uneasiness in the Ohlins probably comes down to clicker settings. I have them on mine, and can make the car very stiff and anchored with the clickers. 3 clicks in the rear can be the difference between a very stable and a very playful rear end. I do widh they had more compression to keep it from blowing through.

@elielmendez 3 ай бұрын

Glad people appreciate the NC still, even after being deemed the "boat" generation. Slightly biased as I've had mine since I was 16 lol but even after driving an ND2 I'm not exactly itching to upgrade. Have bilstein/eibach shock and spring combo plus racing beat sway bars on mine, past that I wouldn't change a thing.

@JNatella 3 ай бұрын

To be fair I got 20+ track days from the Nankang CRS on my NA Miata, and on one of the last heat cycles it ran within a quarter second of the times I got with the brand new A052s I replaced them with. Light weight helps a ton.

@rcmakingtracks18 3 ай бұрын

Very enjoyable video. I love my 2011 kendo mica black nc2, ill never sell it, because it makes me smile every day... john UK

@BitcoinTo150K 3 ай бұрын

I've been saying the NC is the best Miata since 2010 after owning all gens several years. For that to still be true over ND need a 2.5 swap with cams make up that extra 15 hp

@JETZcorp 3 ай бұрын

I don't get the 2.5 thing unless you're building for a race class. The last thing on Earth I want from my NC is more torque, a lower redline, and a slower throttle response. You can get 15hp or more from the 2.0 with exhaust and cams. Do Stage 2+ cams with springs, and you can bring the redline up to 8k or so. Or throw a Rotrex at it and get some big-time top-end power.

@TT92348 3 ай бұрын

@@JETZcorpagreed. People just see bigger numbers and throw engine character and driver enjoyment out the window

@jjchockey 3 ай бұрын

@@TT92348with a cam, ITB, and tune the 2.5 can make peak power of 220-240HP at 7000rpm and rev out to 7500 while making 190-200TQ.

@colinbowman8816 3 ай бұрын

2.5 won't have worse throttle response...it's still NA. But aside from that, yes I'm with ya. 2.0 with cam and header will be more fun, and basically as fast as a cammed 2.5. @@JETZcorp

@JETZcorp 3 ай бұрын

@colinbowman8816 It's a slower throttle response for things like heel/toe where the extra engine inertia slow it down in a free rev. Heavier crank, funny rod geometry, and the balance shafts unless you deleted them. But yes, if you're already hooked up in a gear and whack it, or are stabbing it to modulate a drift or something, the 2.5 will be limited by the e-throttle just like the 2.0 is. And the rotating inertia can be offset with a lightweight flywheel. I think the best readily-available answer for NA performance is probably a hybrid 2.4 build. That's a 2.5 bore on a 2.3 stroke, and use the best forged internals and biggest cams you can find to spin it like a Honda. That combo gives you a significantly better piston speed than a K24 (which also doesn't live very long at 8k+ unless built to the hilt). In my perfect world, I'd probably like to build a 2.1 by using a 2.0 crank in a 2.5 block, spanning the extra deck height with longer rods to get a beautiful rod ratio and some serious high-rev capability. But that involves some parts that don't exist, and it's not really worth it over the short-deck 2.0 engine.

@nornibres 2 ай бұрын

I have looked at both of these cars in the used market in Canada. The ND3 cars are in the mid 30K range for a 2019 and up model. The club version of the NC3 is in the mid 20's. Every time I look for a Miata I ask myself what else I could buy for the money? I ended up buying a 2006 BMW Z4M and couldn't be happier with my decision.

@FreshYoungDude 3 ай бұрын

They made the Ohlins R&T spring rate way too low in the rear. 7/4, should have been like 9/6. Some guys swap to a Swift rear spring with 5 or 6K rate which supposedly makes a big difference.

@mtshark7 3 ай бұрын

Nice comparisons Fenton!😊

@jimiverson3085 3 ай бұрын

I appreciate that the Miata is unique in the current market, but $42K seem pretty pricey.

@malcolmn.5222 3 ай бұрын

As compared to what?? If you compare the prices over the years adjusted for inflation rates, the price has not really gone up much

@jimiverson3085 3 ай бұрын

@@malcolmn.5222 Compared to what someone in the market for a starter sports car can afford to spend. By comparison, a 240Z was $3500 in 1970. Adjusted for the change in the CPI, that would be about $30,000 today.

@OtakuTeaTime22 2 ай бұрын

Skip the RF and Brembo/BBS package and it will be around $35k new

@sunnyvalentino 3 ай бұрын

Some of the seriousness you notice in the ND3 is because this example is stiffened a lot and the coilovers are more longer travel, settling the car more. However, its as reasonable as an apples to apples comparison

@moddude101 3 ай бұрын

Both are good cars. I bought an ND2, it's my daily. The ND generation gets about 5-6mpg more if thats something you're interested in. Other that that each car has their own merit... Either one would make anyone happy.

@shotty. 3 ай бұрын

this may sound a bit out of left field, but considering it’s based off of the same NC chassis, i seriously think you ought to give a very well modified rx8 another try.

@Zygrene 3 ай бұрын

@@shotty. It's been a long time since I've driven an RX-8. Fun car but needs more power.

@toshibavoodoo 3 ай бұрын

Love the 2012 PRHT!!!

@sdsendoh 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review bro

@MaxRPMs 3 ай бұрын

As a owner of an nc and someone who has driven 100s of nd2s I can say that that nc1/2/3 is truly the best miata when factoring cost/performance, A new nd3 miata starts at 28,985. I bought mine for 8,200 with 86k miles, I don’t think the extra refinement is worth the 20k premium especially when it’s known that the nc is the best miata if you want to daily it.

@tealruby1 3 ай бұрын

NCs are actually holding their value a bit better which is making the value proposition worse. It’s becoming possible to get an ND2 club for low 20s, high teens.

@tealruby1 3 ай бұрын

As someone who has owned both (multiple times, and with a 2.5L), the ND is a clear winner. Grab an ND2 club for $21-24k and send it. The NC is a great value below $10k but good examples are shockingly close to ND pricing. My biggest issue when I get back into an NC is just how slow they feel. NDs just feel *SO* much faster, I also feel like the throttle calibration makes a lot more sense.

@gpajic1987 3 ай бұрын

2.5 tuned with headers, intake and cams has amazing throttle response

@tealruby1 3 ай бұрын

@@gpajic1987 I actually think the NC drive-by-wire throttle is *too* sensitive. It’s like artificially sensitive because Mazda was worried that people would think electric throttles were laggy compared to cable. I think the ND calibration is closer to what a cable car feels like. Not a common complaint of the NC so I might be alone in this.

@gpajic1987 3 ай бұрын

@@tealruby1 hmm possibly - for me it feels just right and is immediate.. Throttle blips are perfect

@0j00n 3 ай бұрын

i was thinking the same thing. if you want a new car get a nd3. cant compare used car price with new car. what other new car you gonna find for the same price that is as fun to drive. if i was going used id get a nd2 or even a nd1 with e85 tune.

@wusta515 2 ай бұрын

If these inflation prices maintains(which sounds like they are) then I guess it justifies the new price tags. Im pretty shocked myself seeing the new nd3 is $40k. I remember when I got my Mazdaspeed nb off the lot in in Fremont CA in 2004 for 25k otd and that was pretty high, but at least I got a turbo. I would def wait for a used nd. Find someone’s 3 year lease or even higher mileage ones and send it! $15-20k would be a good buy 😅

@jimiverson3085 3 ай бұрын

That NC is 11 years old while the ND is new. Wonder if refreshing a bunch of suspension bushings and wear bits in the shift linkage would bring them closer together.

@DC5Brandon 3 ай бұрын

$42K for a new ND Miata? You can buy a used 981 Boxster S manual for the same money (sometimes less). Sounds like time for a new comparison video!

@mikechau5701 3 ай бұрын

42k , the market just open up to 987, 981, and a minty s2000

@liamm-c1287 3 ай бұрын

I would love this comparison!!!

@DC5Brandon 3 ай бұрын

@@mikechau5701 987.2 Boxster and Cayman S models are actually $30K. Crazy, right?

@malcolmn.5222 3 ай бұрын

Very different maintenance and running cost.

@DC5Brandon 3 ай бұрын

@@malcolmn.5222 True, but I bet a base model can be found for -$5K less, which will be more than enough to cover the extra cost.

@EdLo. 3 ай бұрын

THANK YOU for making this video

@gabegretz8743 3 ай бұрын

You really need to drive a well set up Miata on Supermiata Xida suspension. It will make Ohlins feel downright janky.

@sbfd3s 3 ай бұрын

I've owned an NC1 and I wasn't a huge fan. It's fun around town and around 7/10s in the mountains but I didn't enjoy it much on track and the NC1 engine has zero character. I much prefered my NA and if I were getting a Miata today it would be an ND2/3

@patricsteele 3 ай бұрын

Great content!

@fretstain 3 ай бұрын

Honestly I'd pay the extra just purely for the looks upgrade... Although maybe like you said an nd2 is the sweet spot

@JETZcorp 3 ай бұрын

I prefer the looks of the NC. To me, the ND has always looked like it forgot its glasses and is squinting to read the chalkboard.

@fretstain 3 ай бұрын

@@JETZcorp haha that's fair

@gravity45b 3 ай бұрын

Finally a real comparison after all those Porsche reviews🙌🏾😂

@magicwaffl3z 3 ай бұрын

I see miata, i watch. Thanks zygrene

@CarsandBikes 3 ай бұрын

I had a 2013 PRHT Club in white. really missed that car.

@maximus9401 3 ай бұрын

Is that a factory paint color on the ND3? Looks fantastic

@shahulhusman 3 ай бұрын

Cammisa said the nc2/3 is one of thr best and better than nb or nd ...

@JETZcorp 3 ай бұрын

I think a LOT of that is because he compared a stock ND1 to an NC with Ohlins. His main problem with the ND is the stock suspension tuning, and most NCs are also pretty awful from stock. The NC3 Club is the exception - it's still WAY too soft, but at least they improved the valving to make it competent. I think every Miata really needs a set of good coilovers, and once that happens, the ND is amazing. I love my NC2, and I prefer it over ND due to the looks, price, steering, modding potential, my ability to fit in it, and the price. It's hard not to be jealous of that weight reduction and better chassis rigidity. It's not worth an extra 20 large, but it's a sweet car.

@tealruby1 3 ай бұрын

Jason’s complaints about the ND limit handling always struck me as weird. He made it sound like it was some wild dodge viper or something. The rear end is soft but it’s very manageable.

@ruturaj47 3 ай бұрын

He said NC is better than ND2, I think he called ND3 best Miata ever.

@Getsomepiggy 3 ай бұрын

#1 complaint about my NC2 was the 3-4 gear spacing. It was such a power killer on the track. Its so weird bc like u said, 1-2-3 are all so short along with 5th gear so idk wtf they were thinking with 4th gear lol

@Ifitwerks 3 ай бұрын

Here is another angle, the direct injection and smaller interior put me off the ND2 so I ended up with 1 soft top 7k miler NC2 and another 6k miler PRHT NC2 for less than the price of the ND2, 2 as new NCs one in each style best decision IMO Incidentally I prefer the 5 speed box on the soft top to the 6 speed on the PRHT plus the lighter soft top does accelerate quicker due to loosing the weight of the PRHT. Still don't know why the soft top gets a aluminium boot (trunk) and the PRHT is a steel one instead.

@simonvancoevorden295 3 ай бұрын

While im at it the NC has more interior room for normal people, much better hydraulic Steering & a sensible retractable power hard top !

@ianjsallen100 Ай бұрын

Hi iam in my 60tish from the uk (Scotland) i own and drive a mx5 nc , and there's nothing like it . Mutch lik the old British 2seaters off the 60ish 70ish cars of yesterday. Would i exchange it for the ND, no the ND is to new ,ofmore technical, my NC as hydrolic steering i get the feed back i used to get in the older days ,so mutch better than electric set-up of the ND , the NC feels more planted on the road , And the NC is so easy to work on , you feel you own the car if you do most of the maintenance your self. Brilliant KZbin thanks

@deecarter1059 3 ай бұрын

The ND is around 200kg lighter than the NC. That makes a MASSIVE difference to the handling, acceleration and braking.

@szilarddietzel9071 3 ай бұрын

You sure? Afaik its only a 60-70kg difference at max.

@drinq6649 3 ай бұрын

Between the two in the video (soft top NC and the RF ND) the ND is about 30kg lighter. Compared to the hardtop NC the RF ND is about 70kg lighter.

@smiles564 3 ай бұрын

To think i got mt nc2 grand touring for 12k with 46k miles a couple years ago.. now the same trim is 42 grand new? Wild

@oleksandrs1102 3 ай бұрын

What you can say about Mazda 3 Manuals? Are they far from miatas in terms of fun?

@gentletg 2 ай бұрын

Did he use the wheel spacers for the ND?

@Coal-Scuttle 3 ай бұрын

Prefer the NC in an automatic. But I’m weird that way

@kurtolson4649 3 ай бұрын

What road is this?

@madisonmiller920 2 ай бұрын

Caleveras Canyon

@le0redd104 3 ай бұрын

24rf? Would've made more sense comparing soft-top with soft-top

@Sonic_1000 3 ай бұрын

NC Club is my fav.

@gibsonisthename 3 ай бұрын

How do you feel about the gearing on the ND? After having mine for a year I feel like the gearing is a tad too long to enjoy the car how I want to

@Zygrene 3 ай бұрын

@@gibsonisthename I've never had an issue with ND manual gearing

@TexasBlues-123 3 ай бұрын

Is that your PIN tattooed on your left forearm? (just joking. looks like 1327)

@ftovr2957 3 ай бұрын

From a purely aesthetic perspective, I think the ND has a nice shape but worse "features" than the NC3, particularly for head and tail lights; like they took the NC and vacuum sealed around it. Tend to agree with sentiments of the "best" generation being the one that firstly, you can afford, and secondly, suits your preferences, whether that is looks, handling potential, age etc. Unless you have the opportunity to try each before you buy, I don't think (not having owned one lol) that you can really go wrong in terms of driving pleasure.

@krasic 3 ай бұрын

Another great video. I have a 30AE (ND2) with similar mods including Sakebomb Ohlins Long Stroke 7/4k and Eibach sways front and back. I also have the GWR race exhaust which I love and I think makes the car just that little bit more playful feeling--WOT pulls never get old. I agree with most of what you said. As for ND vs NC, I don't think there is a wrong answer. I feel my 30AE is an amazing dual-duty car, the little upgrades and newness compared to an NC are worth it for me. But it's a spoiled for choice situation. This is my 30AE on track a couple days ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5TNfaRqi9mgpcU

@simonvancoevorden295 3 ай бұрын

What never seems to get mentioned about the NC is the superior Ford engine ! 😊

@Thomas-z1y6s 2 ай бұрын

As far as I am concerned the NC is the best looking true sports roaster. The ND is not for me, everything I need in a roaster is the NC. Car and Driver gave it so many awards during its run. I do not need a targa RF, it is not a roaster in my eyes and all the driver aids mean nothing to me. If you are a true driver you find them just BS. When I drive my NC I rarely even listen to the radio, I want to hear the car engine and feel the joy of a rag top open air roaster. Mazda can’t even give you a descent cup holder for a bottle of water in the current MX5. My NC grand touring 6 spd is just what I wanted in a roaster. I hope the next generation MX5 can be more like a NC in size. I still think Mazda builds great cars overall and is a great company.