2013 Nissan GT-R Black Edition vs 2024 BMW M4 Competition xDrive - Head to Head Review!

[@pricepolice834]

my guy. you are doing the reviews that the world needs. extending beyond the typical A vs. B - examining both ethos and execution. keep up the GREAT work.

[@RearWheelZeal]

When it was released, the R35 was known foremost for it's ballistic raw performance and decried for it's supposed "digital" driving interaction. Interesting how the R35 now seems to deliver a more visceral supercar driving experience than most current offerings even dramatically above its price point.

[@StandingUpForBetter]

Very nice! The GT-R was way ahead of its time. It is only now that other cars are catching up. Passionate engineering and quality stand the test of time. Thanks for the review.

[@opmike343]

I'd take that GTR interior with all the physical controls and dials over anything mostly digital today. As long as human being have fingers, physical controls will never be outdated.

[@ront5689]

I still like the R35 interior Just a head unit update needed. Don't even mention the newer models, beautiful interiors !

[@crazylegson2]

You have become my favorite car reviewer on KZbin. You focus on performance, and do a great job describing the feedback you get from the cars. I appreciate all the track stuff too (I used to work at Sonoma RW), and also that your videos get right to the point and aren't overly long. Thanks for your content.

[@Zygrene]

That means a lot - thank you!

[@DillonShelburn]

For me, what makes the R35 so special is the story of Tamura san and what the R35 means to him. Savagegeese did a great story on it. It goes beyond the numbers and becomes an incredible story. Someone’s dream turned reality.

[@Accost2u]

Crazy how the new m4 towers over the GTR. Makes it look small in comparison.

[@big-R]

Gets in the BMW, can't stop talking about the GTR. That tells the whole story. I recall driving one of the original ones (485 hp) at Silverstone and was very impressed considering it's weight.

[@DillonShelburn]

Also R35 is double wishbone front, which a lot of people miss. Not massive, but it’s something

[@Zygrene]

Good point - definitely a contributing factor to the sharp handling

[@Mr_Kristofer]

Great review. I previously daily drove a 13 GTR for years and now have a g80. I always tell people the g80/82 is the modern day German GTR. The same complaints of numb and boring that I heard when I had the GTR are the same things I currently hear about my current m3. I didn’t mind daily driving the GTR, but even years ago when I first got it, the interior felt dated for the price tag of the car. M3 is a far better daily but definitely doesn’t feel as special.

[@augustortiz]

GTR all day.

[@thatpersiandude7386]

facts, wish it had a catback tho

[@chrisgarcia5462]

Same here 😂

[@ciello___8307]

Also, I cant stand how the new pig nose m4 looks

[@ArtVandelayOfficial]

Lots of reliability issues and maintenance Numb driving feel

[@derekdrummond7544]

​@ArtVandelayOfficial . Are you talking about the beemer ?

[@spartacus2954]

I predict in a year this chanel would have at least 5x the subscribers.

[@joeracer302]

I said the same about 40k subscribers ago. Would love to see him hit 250k next. He’s definitely put in the time and effort, but YT algorithms are a pain.

[@spartacus2954]

@@joeracer302 Yea and its pretty saturated with car channels, but he brings an interesting perspective. Once he hit 100k it will go pretty fast as long as the content stays good.

[@GJ1128]

Great vid! Was actually cross-shopping these cars and ended up with the m4 comp. For the price of a new m4 you’re looking at a 10 year old gtr with the potential for 10 year old sports car problems. Much less stress beating on a brand new car with a full warranty haha.

[@bkdp]

I want the GTR more but am leaning M4 for all the things you said.

[@dreamdrivedrift]

You looked like you were having so much more fun in the GTR! Life is too short to drive boring cars.

[@1laimmiss]

Fear is good fear is fun. That is whats missing in the new fast cars. No feeling and no fear

[@vny0sts]

Man I love your comparisons. They are all ones I’ve been looking for. Keep it up!

[@brianmessemer2973]

Watching the first minutes of this video, I look down and gasp. 45.9K subs??? Guys, for real? I've been subbed to Fenton for like 6 years at least. I thought Zygrene was at least 100K subs for the last few years. Look at the quality of his videos. Get it done, people.

[@Zygrene]

Haha, the support is always appreciated!

[@adamk1413]

Here for the r35. A future classics since it’s the last year they will be baking it. Going to be hard for the r36 to be better with all the new technology

[@ismaelflores7856]

IF they even make an R36

[@TornadoOfSouls777]

I gotta get an R35

[@Xxyion86]

Was another fun morning! Thanks again for the review and just in time too!

[@aaa84gt]

Why did I not know that I needed this review, shit... You are providing top tier reviews now!

[@OzDrives]

I found that leaving the steering in comfort in my G80 provides the most steering feedback. Sport steering feels a bit over assisted and artificial.

[@GoBrand0n]

Let me try that tomorrow on my G82

[@G82Watts]

​@@GoBrand0nwhich do u like more? I think sport feels good but idk lol

[@blueshark3098]

Very fun review. Keep up the good work. I love how you describe the qualitative differences, rather than just talking about outright speed, grip and numbers. Way more interesting with your approach.

[@CesarMartinez-gl9ko]

I always considered the xDrive M4 the modern Skyline GTR. Straight 6 turbo with AWD

[@duffydon1741]

A shout out to Carlos Ghosn, the resurrection of the R35 GTR was literally his brain child that got Nissan back in the game and shamed a lot of super cars, since the man “flew” back to his home country, Nissan has not been the same!!

[@TeamCupNoodles-nn9og]

I autox in my R35. I spun out twice. Once in the rain and one in the dry. That was on my run-flats though. Also doesn't help that I jumped into autox with the GT-R.

[@Newyen6MT]

The dome light on bothered me lol

[@markb7000]

Driven both, the G8X chassis are just super sorted. Hence why so stable even after a 700hp plus tune

[@Unicornpirate]

I'd buy the GTR based on looks alone over any G series BMW. IMO all G series from the 2 all the way up to the 7 and 8 series, X and M models look ugly. BMW design peaked with the F series. Yes if you wanna go fast in a straight line, a S58 can get you 700whp with a downpipe and a tune. But a GTR will feel better to drive and if you have the money, you can make it easily 2000whp. As far as a canyon car/track car, GTR all the way.

[@mariodiniz21]

very interesting comparison and video, thank you

[@gx4012]

As a BMW fan Im taking the GTR

[@KRBY555]

great vid - great comparo - great Chanel - you should have more subs than so many weaker, more popular ones. (Smoking Tire comes to mind)

[@SleeperHonda]

Would take the GTR and a Camry. Sports car should be an event.

[@BoxingWave]

Excellent review, just subscribed

[@jezuzworld4673]

I’ll buy the black edition because I like feeling involved and challenged as a driver

[@Bupkus68]

Love the green in the G82

[@Lukec4ge]

Good review. The GTR was described as ‘the new yardstick’ by Clarkson in his Top Gear review. Funny how all performance saloons/coupes copy the formula of a turbocharged V-engine/straight six, rear-biased four wheel drive and a dual clutch/auto gearbox. You describe the back end of the GTR losing traction easily- could it be that the tyre pressures at 30psi, was a little too low?🤔

[@dennisvanderben2719]

when I saw the m4 x drive my mind immediately went, well now this is a new gtr

[@Drtbykr1]

GTR, dream car. Red please.

[@officialmichaeltan]

I learned a lot, thanks!

[@notdaltonxd]

I wonder if the GTR's tires were too worn/heat cycled 🤔

[@A_guan]

Would you ever trade in the Integra Type S for a G80 M3 or M4? For primarily street car use? I considered but I just can't with the bmw steering

[@Zygrene]

Probably not. Like you said, the steering is too disconnected

[@gv2949]

gt-r is iconic, the new m cars are very, very good - but will never be special like the gt-r.. to each their own..

[@OcT4g3n]

That BMW's depreciation will be brutal compared to the GT-R.

[@ArtVandelayOfficial]

M3s always come back up though once they've hit the valley Plus with new models probably going EV anything gas based will appreciate eventually

[@derekdrummond7544]

I'd take the GTR all day long . I've driven 4 on experience days and the memories still make me giggle like a kid , years after the first time. They have a visceral soul to them that modern cars with their fancy tech and screens can't match , at least for me anyway. When you see one, you know exactly what it is . The only way you'd know that was a BMW is because of its butt ugly face , which is nothing to be proud of really.

[@shotty.]

Fenton you forgot the dome light

[@Superdimensional]

That GT-R was at minimum on lowering springs

[@RandyLe-cb2eb]

U seee tj hunt old skool skyline r34 got offer $600,000

[@maximus9401]

BMW makes the modern day Supra and the modern day GTR

[@Gokuaintit]

Iv been considering new manual supra or similarly priced gtr 🧐

[@DillonShelburn]

What are your goals with the car? They’re very different

[@augustortiz]

Yo Zygrene, have you driven a GT350R before?

[@Zygrene]

Nope, only a regular 350

[@Kooldood.]

I’d rather drive a 2006 Camry than driving the new M4s/M3s

[@CapELarry]

I would suggest driving the M without the paddles. That transmission is ridiculously good, and you can’t judge it if you’re the one controlling shift points. It seemed like it could have been better and even more rapid letting it do its own thing.

[@OVER5TEER]

Huge fan of the channel but my one nitpick is your use of the term "turbo lag", when it seems usually you are referring to elevated boost threshold. Given how precise you are in your other descriptions of a car's behavior, I'm surprised you make this common error. IMO I would separate the terms for clarity and don't dumb it down for your audience.

[@samueldowney2806]

I've read elsewhere that the GTR has some lag, so maybe there is some truth there, but I think the old (correct) definition of turbo lag, i.e. when the turbo is spinning fast and you're on and off the throttle and getting lag is possibly outdated. Do any modern turbos really have noticeable lag? I don't know I don't dive them. But certainly, only the nerdiest card nerds care about it when everyone else mashes the throttle before the turbo is even designed to spool and cries lag. Still, you're correct, have an up vote ;) Seeing as Fenton is seemingly single-handedly educating car enthusiasts on steering feedback, perhaps he can do the same with turbo lag.

[@AdamAllen]

"Miata gang" 😛

[@Dennies92]

Trop lourd,trop gros,trop de consommation et de budget,trop de facilité . Pas assez fun

[@ms8742]

BMW is a great car but like you I hate this tablet dash they are going to in all models. Just awful.

[@stevemartegani]

Need to get a new 2024 Model 3 Performance to compare to these two. About the same weight.

[@G82Watts]

Just put an exhaust on the m4 and u have the best of both worlds.

[@604parkour]

Owned a 13 FBO e85 GTR for 6 years. Crazy fast 650whp & 650WTQ The car does drive itself, and has almost no character after you get accustomed to it. Sold it, and don’t regret it. Lived it, and it’s just an experience. Bought a drivers car for a change. Went with a 2013 Boss 302, half the price, reliable, low maintenance. Not the same straight line performance, but handling and enjoyment is much more then the R35.

[@rbendj22]

For the price the GTR is going, i would rather get a Porsche 911

[@will8349]

Engines are failing left and right.

[@jbrandon302]

@@will8349what engines?

[@will8349]

@@jbrandon302 2014-2017 gt3

[@GalvatronTypeR]

I have a 2015 GT-R that I bought brand new and still like. But the car is old, outdated, overpriced and obsolete. The Altima quality interior has especially not aged well. It is a 17 year old platform that has been thoroughly outpaced by its competitive set. It is unacceptable that a M3 Competition xDtive or even a base C8 Stingray can now beat this car and both cost a lot less. The GT-R now costs more than a 911 especially with a markup. Anyone who pays that much for this old obsolete car instead of buying a 992 is an absolute fool. A Turbo S destroys this car, even a much cheaper C4S would beat this car.

[@RearWheelZeal]

For the last 5 years or more, the GT-R has really only made objective sense as the option for hardcore Nismo fans with money to burn. As a Nismo fan myself, I'd be glad to see them continue making GT-R's until the sun explodes.

[@604parkour]

Owned a 13 FBO e85 GTR for 6 years. Crazy fast 650whp & 650WTQ The car does drive itself, and has almost no character after you get accustomed to it. Sold it, and don’t regret it. Lived it, and it’s just an experience. Bought a drivers car for a change. Went with a 2013 Boss 302, half the price, reliable, low maintenance. Not the same straight line performance, but handling and enjoyment is much more then the R35.