This OW2 DPS Is BROKEN and NEEDS TO BE NERFED NOW! | RANT | OVERWATCH 2 DISCUSSION

[@AbbyOW2]

Firstly, sorry for sick abby noises :( secondly, Let's talk about the biggest problematic character in the DPS Role, Widowmaker. How would you approach her? Rework her kit? New ultimate? Buff her counters back to a spot where they are relevant? Its very hard to approach her without completely stripping her of the sniper identity, I believe we can just give her the same disadvantages Hanzo was under, revert her bullet change and increase her charge time to be fair to both snipers.

[@na34-w1b]

Revert bullet size changes (why was it ever buffed?) and make charge longer - like you said. No other way to deal with her one shot with out a major rework.

[@AbbyOW2]

@@na34-w1b Yeah this is pretty much what I settled upon too, I really don't see how they would change her else otherwise.

[@egemenyldz8042]

İ hope so you healthy soon

[@lessii9095]

(these changes are inspired by how cod handled snipers. these don't go for the one tap itself but changes i'd say for the one shot would be: reduce her range to 50 meters like it was before they reverted it and reduce the bullet size) imo for starters, they should give her sniper glint (a gleam of light whenever you scope in) so you'll always know when she's scoped in and where she's at instead of relying on a voiceline. give her idle sway (your scope bobs omnidirectionally by itself) making her crosshair not dead center on a target. give her a flinch mechanic (when you're taking dmg, your gun will jump up.) it'd encourage players to shoot at her in turn throw off her aim and make the widow work for the one shot

[@AbbyOW2]

@@egemenyldz8042 thanks dude

[@initiating_neo2911]

As Samito said, they gut Hanzo and Genji but they won’t touch Widow.

[@ryannkeenan9528]

Playing against her almost every game is super frustrating, I play Ana and if my team pushes past a choke I get punished for it just trying to get to where I can heal them

[@AbbyOW2]

I love when to play the game I must peak the choke in order to push and play around the objective but also peaking the choke results in my immediate death from a character across the map, behind 4 other people that I literally cannot interact with.

[@afonsobessa2381]

A few days ago I killed a widow 2 times as Ana and she invited me to her group, I joined thinking she liked my skills but was only to auto remove me from the game 💀 I got flabbergasted how a good widow is a toxic arrogant that thinks is better than everyone and how a bad widow is a toxic arrogant that will do what they can to avoid the humiliation of get autplayed

[@gotattackedbyamidget]

Gotta love the power of point and clicking

[@LuchaDCom]

u can swap

[@Shar.S]

Also the biggest issue with "just dive the widow" is these people seem to forget brig is a character that exists

[@AbbyOW2]

Brig, Bap, good Dva player, the list can go on

[@mkenatsu8420]

@@Shar.S or that she can hook away🤣🤣

[@viniciusespindola7238]

People that say that are in metal ranks where only one player pops off at max and they don't really have a team

[@scumknight6074]

@@viniciusespindola7238 The problem is no one picks Brig in metal ranks (besides me), it’s not fun to get 1 shot by a pocketed Widow on Junkertown when you can barely see her.

[@afonsobessa2381]

And widow can still one shot divers if is good enough.

[@b23beatz]

I never really believed in devs nerfing / buff characters to increase mythic sales but idk man the hanzo changes proj size and draw speed were an indirect widow buff and sombra changes too to start the sesson thats so sus they gave her a perfect meta

[@AbbyOW2]

Literally what tomorrow's video is about bro trust me I will talk about this

[@dariuszupan8145]

They got rid of hanzo 1 shot when his mythic dropped Sombra had people begging for a nerf all last season A lot of widow maps got nerfed

[@afonsobessa2381]

For me they would buff a bit the sombra damage and remove the virus would be perfect, she is only anoying because virus takes half hp for free and shoots like a tracer so finishes well fast. But no the nerf was just remove the fun part of her kit and I don’t even play her lol. Mean wile hanzo got all these changes because hitscans think is a blind spam hero wile is the most skillful projectile hero in the game and less frustrating get killed by him.

[@leftyyy23]

She just got her mythic now, so there's no way any nerf is gonna hit her anytime soon

[@AbbyOW2]

Hold on a minute, we got a patch coming every any second now

[@kogama2202]

​@@AbbyOW2...any second now...

[@AbbyOW2]

@@kogama2202 A pity

[@watsyurdeal]

The problem with Widow is she just doesn't fit in the game well, and Sniper in TF2 has this problem too. Most heroes have a limited range in which they engage in, whereas Widow can be effective anywhere across the map with very little risk to herself. I don't think one shots really belong in Overwatch, but at the same time, they'd need to address healing and how busted it is that people can just face tank damage with little to no risk or effort. Without a way to shut people down immediately the game would become far slower to play.

[@LightWavess]

Funny how in OV1 you would get attacked for this kind of take now people actually discuss whenever she belongs in the game or not. My take is : she doesn't, she either dominates and forces the enemy team to play peekaboo or don't and you have one less teammate, there's no in between.

[@BigPro1123]

I hate hearing “just play corners” so much. How are we supposed to move the objective if we are hiding from a one shot across the map. Widow has been my least favorite character to fight in OW2 due to not having an extra tank for protection

[@twenty4689]

No bro she’s balanced the counter play is just don’t play the game

[@ChumBucketMindControlHelmet]

This right here. If I don't walk into the sight line I guess my team gets to die or I can't play the game because I get atomized the millisecond my head goes around the corner

[@PunchM3]

If they just reverted hanzo draw speed so hanzo can duel a widow at range again or buff Sombra/revert her rework in some aspects. They could just nerf widow to the ground or give her the same charge up time as hanzo / a longer charge up time

[@b23beatz]

Give her the hog treatment. Minimum 6 months being dogshit until they figure out something... Hopefully not how they reworked hog tho lol

[@PunchM3]

@b23beatz yeah that would work, or they could just keep her unplayable for the remainder of the game’s life

[@jfp4life]

Give her TF2 Sniper's charge time and scope dot

[@Octovol]

​@@jfp4lifeHalo's Spartan laser is the only acceptable one shot and was super satisfying to hit people with.

[@scumknight6074]

The core fundamental design of Overwatch is fast pace brawl like gameplay. If your main counter to a single hero is to “not peak” then it’s unbalanced. Widow is skilless, unfair, useless, and just doesn’t belong in Overwatch.

[@mr.g1672]

General adjustment: new passive for every hero: Fuck them spiders Every hero gets +50% damage against the character widowmaker and they benefit from the headshot dmg reduction of the tank passive against her, additionally, she's always visible through walls Widowmaker: -25 health. Does not benefit from the new passive (A man can dream)

[@luscasuwu]

what about widow at 75 health

[@FiestaTX17]

As a tank main I hate playing into Widow. The second I lock Doom or Ball and go to dive her, the ENTIRE enemy team is there to peel for her. It sucks because there is nothing to do, she just rolls my team with no counter play. Not to mention how suspicious the devs are with the mythics. Widow gets a mythic and all of a sudden Sombra is gutted, her one reliable counter. Ashe gets the mythic and Bob gets insane role passives. Orisa got it season 8 and she became Meta all of a sudden. Reins mythic too with suzu getting nerfed. It’s clear the devs are balancing around mythics and it sucks ass, that’s NOT competitive integrity.

[@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862]

Honestly even with ball her grapple is basically an instant get away and because of 5v5 you can't just keep chasing the widow because if you do the enemy can just bum rush your team.

[@thiefpotato2759]

I wonder if people knew that GOATs (I think that was the teams name) created GOATs because Blizzard had a hard on for Widow and refused to nerfed her that you had to stack as much HP to rush the point. The most infamous comp was created because Blizzard just refuses to add counterplay to Widows kit. No swaying when being shot, no nerf to her fire rate, no nerfing her being able to one shot without full charge. And I doubt they will nerf her now. They will just buffing her soft counters til the game breaks because thats always what happens when Widow is too strong.

[@dixiekongfan1]

We should not be buffing her soft counters. We should turn her into a normal DPS that doesn't immideately require swaps when she appears. We don't need swaps to deal with a Soldier, Ashe, Soujurn, Mecree, Torb, Sym, Mei, and every other DPS in the game. The swaps can help but they are not necessary. It feels like the swaps are necessary for Widow

[@afonsobessa2381]

To be fair all hitscans pocketed by mercy usually asks for a swap don’t know wish swaps deal better against that hero’s specially on dps role, but man, the amount of ximmers that make the game harder for being on cass, solder or Ashe, is insane, not mention widow because even a console widow easily rules a game.

[@AbbyOW2]

The only route they had was the semi-burst route and they already made Ashe, thats literally the worst part, otherway they could rework her was the railgun route and they made sojourn. They will be keeping her around as is sadly.

[@batatanna]

Nowadays the only thing that can deal with widow is a ball, and most of the times it requires her team to be completely clueless

[@AbbyOW2]

Entire ball strat gets shut down the moment enemy support picks Brig.

[@emanchi8403]

On dps, Torb & Bastion can't get one-shot (Though I recommend Torb). On support there's really no Widow mirror but I found decent luck with Kiriko & Lucio. Don't spread the word or they'll get nerfed too 🤫

[@Sahilow]

Guys let's nerf Genji, Hanzo and Sombra but we won't touch Widowmaker because why guess what... She got a mythic skin! 😉😉 The hero that is broken in 5v5 that they acknowledged but still go for a lost cause. Better dmg, headshot, bullet size, scope, aim and escape.

[@BigPro1123]

Also her win rate is probably 49.9 and they want it at even even 50/50

[@thedg2531]

sombra being perma invis is even more annoying imo so they need to address widow directly instead of just making another broken character to counter

[@greenpig1175]

Perma invis was done but the character was barely even that much of a problem to deal with, widow is dumb AND hard to deal with

[@thedg2531]

@@greenpig1175 I guess I never really had much trouble dealing with widow so I don’t really relate with everyone else lol plus I only play solo and got targeted by sombra a lot before her rework

[@nihili4196]

Problem with Widow is same problem that plagues all sniper characters. They're either too strong or useless. Back in early 2000s people were bullied in CS for campaign with Sniper Rifles. It has been an issue back then, it is now. We can either remove the problem or introduce cancer solutions like Sombra type characters. But we can't introduce the solution then nerf it into the ground because it was good at harassing backline. You need backline harassers

[@icyblem9612]

imo, diving the widow isn't even the play anymore and nerfing widow's bullet size will just make her obsolete. Instead of diving the widow you have to disrupt her space with abilities like dynamite, disrupted, traps, barriers, turrets. Just make her job harder to do. I will say tho they could rework her to make her sniper less effective at closer ranges so you have to use the smg, I'd say starting at 20-30 m it starts to one shot would be good, it would still do a lot of dmg obviously bit makes it so fighting her closer is easier.

[@Ligma_Bolzack]

Ive been saying, sombra was a necessary evil to combat widow

[@nanobotkemo]

I agree with reverting bullet size but i have a couple more of changes, make the bullet tracer/smoke last 500ms longer so its clearer where widow os in case supports miss it, so whenever widow shoots shes given out to everyone, increase widows grapple cooldown(this would force more peels for widow or widow playing so far back that shes in falloff range). Another change is to rebuff genji(give him back infinite ledge grab and fix the ledge fling that happens so we can jiggle peak widow again, as well as a tiny bit of primary fire damage) there could be other buffs but i won't suggest them as they would create other problems like if we revert sombra or make tracer's blinks go further would be too much

[@josephquinto5812]

Drop Widow to 150hp and increase her charge time if they refuse to address her lethality. Another huge nerf that removed another threat to Widow was Sojourn’s nerf. Soj used to be a legit threat to Widow, but now she’s horrid against a good Widow.

[@LyIaKing]

not enough, should be 125

[@Shellw2]

As much as I like these suggested changes, it just doesn't address the issue at hand: she can anker herself 5 miles away. It's just bs.

[@josephquinto5812]

@@Shellw2 I’m just worried that the devs will never touch her lethality tbh. I def want her range significantly reduced and can’t fathom a 1 shot hit scan

[@LyIaKing]

@@Shellw2 True. Less HP would help a lot but I'd rather they made her damage falloff something like 40-50m and lowered her charge speed and reload speed.

[@darthrevan618]

I love having widow every game on both teams, and somehow consitnetly getting the one who plays with the monitor off and complains that they're playing like shit "due to getting no heals", and refuses to switch despite being 3 12 ,only for her to get a Brig body guard and still be unable to hit an emoting roadhog. Widow is a great character and I love peaking around the corner and dying becuase I dared to try and help my tank At least I am having luck in diving them with Moira/Lucio and somehow not getting accused of throwing, but yeah this is some of the least fun I've had in overwatch at least tho I'm having fun by playing bloons

[@Sobasicallyandthenprettymuchye]

widow’s biggest counter got nerfed because of all the whining and now they want widow to get nerfed too lol. who could have foreseen this…

[@SILK97]

You know it’s bad when Widow is running rampant in my Platinum/ Diamond console games. I can’t imagine playing high ELOs on mouse and keyboard 😂

[@ESOLeroyJenkins]

Especially with how many chronus’ are popping up now too. The kill cams i get are hilarious…and very obvious.

[@thomasfairfax4956]

​@@ESOLeroyJenkinsthis is so true. Since the xim gets banned pretty quick Cronus users are everywhere in diamond, masters, GM. I've played against so many soldiers with zero recoil

[@afterthought9538]

There are several approaches that can be taken to Widow. Nerfs (one or more can be done): * Revert her projectile size. * Increase her charge time. * Scope glint. Soft reworks/nerfs: 1) Artificial projectile weakness - input to shot delay. Doesn't shoot immediately upon clicking. 2) ADS DoT. Harder rework (playstyle change): * Drastically reduce her range, and slightly buff her charge rate, forcing more aggressive play. * Make Venom a more aggressive ability - lower cooldown, faster projectile speed, higher damage. * Buff grapple cooldown, and reduce its range. * Tighten SMG spread. * 225 HP.

[@luscasuwu]

what if we turn her into a support lmao

[@greenpig1175]

The VAST majority of people saying widow is fair in this comment section just so happen to be lower rank. Most broken dps hero in OW history and it’s not even close.

[@narcodixyadigg781]

Proof? If your high rank you should know how to counter any and every comp. Stop relying on the balance team to play for you.

[@greenpig1175]

@@narcodixyadigg781 what rank are you?

[@BigPro1123]

@@narcodixyadigg781this is literally something a bad player would say. A good player can’t counter everything no matter how hard they try. Widow is easily the most broken character by a design standpoint

[@thatonepronoun7503]

nah nerf genji that'd fix the game

[@nowahnothere]

Make it ow 1 that will fix the game

[@SamStraker]

Widow is a problem i know... I mained sombra and now im suffering... *Horribly* But, may you give the setting for your Widow Reticle. It looks amazingggg!!!!!

[@AbbyOW2]

Just for you, peep the next vid imma drop it in the first few seconds.

[@SamStraker]

@@AbbyOW2 Thank youuuuuuu X>

[@macoveivlad5641]

Had a widow on enemy team, tf should i do as a tank if i got juno, mercy poketing junkrat and the other dps is a reaper? We need a syrrender button or something.

[@BigPro1123]

I don’t think you can do anything. Mercy pocketing a junkrat is wild

[@zage932]

Thug ts out

[@Shellw2]

This character singlehandedly ruined this season for me. I am good.

[@itsavalon]

What’s that reticle set up? Gonna need them settings

[@yoku_UwU]

The draw time totally ruined the widow matchup for me. I used to be extremely confident in the widow 1v1, I always felt like it was even and a fun challenge. But now everything after the first shot widow has such an advantage I have to just avoid the matchup or swap widow.

[@szymi.04]

You wanted sombra to be gutted? Enjoy widow popping your head off ❤️😊

[@Charles-qu5rz]

I'd take a widow over a sombra any day

[@szymi.04]

@@Charles-qu5rz one punishes your bad positioning bc they’re invisible and can get to you when you’re alone. The other one makes your positioning bad if you peek a corner and then u get your head blow off. Pick your poison

[@rage_tv4493]

widow needs a glint or a laser or someway of knowing where she is. she is too potent of a character to not have some sort of counter play. it like the only way to know where a widow is perched up at is for someone to die to her or she misses. good widows don’t miss tho.

[@creed8712]

Oh no. If only there was a character tailored for flanking this character and whom widow did actually have counters to both with traps and their ultimate. Unfortauntly that character doesn’t exist anymore

[@breadBread3535]

Unironically this is the least fun Ive ever had in comp games. Its so damn boring. Its just Dva and widowmaker taking over every lobby. Stage 4 cancer

[@LiquidSoapDrinker]

90% of widow players only have the aim skill, the instant they swap to sojourn, they do ass and are forced to swap back to their crutch

[@riv1202]

hot take: widowmaker isnt that hard to play.

[@lavy3439]

You’re right. I don’t think it’s a hot take either, people who think she’s hard to play are delusional silver players.

[@GaaraFPS]

Point and click, position around how your team is holding, then dominate that angle.

[@viniciusespindola7238]

Imo not even top 10 hardest to play.

[@H4VOK_YT]

She's definitely not hard but saying she's easy is pretty delusional she does require a decent amount of skill

[@ryanhallahxn4078]

Hot take????? Bro shes one of easiest in game. Sit in back, Point and click heads that’s about it. Cold take for sure

[@kyubbikcat2281]

The answer is simple. There’s way too much burst damage and way too much burst HEALING in the game. Wait how did we get here again? Oh yeah…😂

[@batatanna]

Aw dang...

[@H4VOK_YT]

Its blizzard being afraid of the time to kill the time to kill in this game is all over the place some heroes take 1000 years to kill someone and others take literal frames to kill. They fucked this game with the season 9 changes which ruined so many breakpoints and because burst damage was so high healing got powercrept and then since nothing died they added the dps passive its literal insanity they litterally go in circles making the same mistakes over and over again pre season 9 was fine all that needed to happen was a global decrease in healing and some characters needed damage number changes but instead of actually putting in the work they just gave everyone a blanket hp increase because they're lazy as hell and even then they still needed to change damage numbers on heroes for the last few seasons so many buffs being handed out because heroes got left behind because of season 9.

[@JesManVP]

Do you think we should remove her grapple from her and replace it and when you scope in with widow it shows a laser and everyone could see where she’s at when she’s scoped in?

[@b23beatz]

I wish you would've edited in some old chipsa clips raging about widow 😂 he called it 5 years ago. We (the devs) should have listened

[@Eezeecheese]

Widow should only get squishy picks with fully charged headshots, not 70%. Her max damage should be 250 with crit . 100dmg with 2.5 mult or maybe even make her do 50 dmg with5x crit multiplayer so she does trash body shots.

[@Lucigu888_OW]

I heard this from toniki and I actualy find it really interesting. One of the reasons widow is sooo good rn is that when s9 happened, everyone got more health but their ttk got longer. Widow got her increased health, but her ttk barely changed. There is 2 ways to approach widow, either adjust her ttk by neefing her charge time and don't allow her to onetap 300hp characters. Or return her to 175 hp and nerf either her falloff or her grappling hook to make her more risky to play. Toniki likes more the second approach since it makes her easier to handle for multiple dps. Soj would be able to snipe a widow, junk would have to peek less to secure the mine bc of falloff, divers would kill her much easier, etc.

[@mkenatsu8420]

Revert sombra back and we'd be good🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

[@AbbyOW2]

pretty much what i am expecting from the small patch tonight

[@nerdstorma8427]

"Let's solve a flood by pouring a ton of sand on it" all you get is a muddy mess. Both of these characters are emblematic of the worst "cheapness" in Overwatch. And my hot take is Ana is the combination of both of their worst traits. Sombra should stay the same and Widow should get moved down with her. Widow gets to sit in the back with an inordinate amount of leverage for minimal risk or engagement. Sombra takes away your ability to play the game. Ana does both. None of them belong in an objective based game.

[@mkenatsu8420]

@AbbyOW2 I mean when it comes to window I've kinda learned how to time her shots. Most windows wait for at least a 3 count before shooting so it makes dueling her a little easier but like you said usually if she gets the peek your dead 🤣

[@AbbyOW2]

Your ana take is certainly something new.

[@billyr2904]

Here are some of my suggestions for Widowmaker nerfs: Widow's Kiss ▪︎ scoped minimum damage reduce from 12 to 10. ▪︎ scoped maximum damage reduce from 120 to 100. ▪︎ scoped damage falloff range reduce from 50 - 70 metres to 40 - 60 metres. ▪︎ ammo increase from 35 to 40. ▪︎ scoped ammo per shot increase from 5 to 8. ▪︎ unscoped damage increase from 13 to 15. ▪︎ unscoped damage falloff range reduce from 20 - 40 metres to 15 - 30 metres. These changes to Widowmaker are aimed to keep her sniper 1-shot identity, however the range of heroes that Widowmaker can 1-shot has narrowed down, specifically heroes with 250 health. This means that Cassidy, Mei, Reaper, Symmetra, Brigitte, and Lifeweaver can no longer be 1-shot by Widowmaker. The assault damage is increased to offset the nerfs to the scoped shot, although it won't be as effective at mid range.

[@revenge3265]

I will gladly die on the hill that I don't think a character like Widow (and to a lesser extent, Hanzo), belongs in Overwatch. One shots should be reserved to abilities only and should require being either an ultimate (like Dva bomb), high risk move (like charge), or require some kind of set up (like Hog Hook-Trap-Melee combo). I have never liked the fact that Widow can just sit in the back of the map and instantly delete a squishy with little risk. I find Sombra immensely unfun, but that was Widow's hard counter outside of a getting diffed by the enemy Widow, so Sombra being gutted just kinda makes Widow run around for free outside of specific maps. Hanzo thankfully isn't a issue like Widow due to health changes and being a projectile hero.

[@epicfailure7980]

Yeah, gimmicky heroes whose sole identity lies in one aspect of their kit tend to be unfun to play against all around. Widow is just the worst because there is little to no counter play to a widow. The fact that one character can deny entire swaths of the map is insane. And at higher levels of play, due to team peel, it takes a coordinated team to be able to handle the widow. Imagine a character that requires multiple people within a team to swap. Ashe is what a good sniper character should be. She has good range, does not one shot, has multiple aspects to her kit that allow counter play at close range, yet, due to falloff, she does not deny characters from just walking from one side of a door to another.

[@ysmir6379]

You cant even go sombra to destroy her, since sombra for 4 seconds on her invis. They gutted sombra to boost the chance of playing widow and getting the mythic. Balancing for shop. Not for "Fun" And widow is hitscan and the devs tend to favour hitscan.

[@AstralNestTV]

I also hate people who say "Widow is one of the hardest DPS to play" You have to be super Delusional if you think scoping in and aiming a shot is the hardest thing in this game

[@swisschaesar2701]

I hate widowmaker. The skill to value ratio is similar to moira, where instead of "dont die, get value," it's "aim."

[@lystal3425]

Thank you Abby for bringing up the nerf to dive characters in your video widow wouldn’t have been as big as a problem if Genji,sombra Doomfist as a dps and even Hanzo nerf to his charge and wall climb shot were brought back to there former glory, listening to the people who don’t wanna get better but rather nerf characters that out skill is the cause of widow becoming more and more powerful

[@AbbyOW2]

Its what im here for

[@isiahjocast1252]

Doesn’t help that she still has that non scoped primary fire buff she got after the last Sombra rework, specifically to fight back against her and other dives by extension.

[@it0myun]

I think another thing is that i thought about is lucio getting a damage buff instead of the dps soft counters for widow, like he's a support why should he get more damage than tracer or genji? Like i still never understood this (my example being that lucio can now burst down a tracer with 3 shots and genji can't) and this bullet damage going down on tracer from 6 to 5.5 while lucio gets a 2 damage buff, and a boop buff thats already cancerous to deal with boops in general as is. Idk just my opion on the matter I think the game's made for supports mainly , like I said thats just MY opinion

[@Drzewo750]

All the Break point problems in this game are from the season 9 Health Changes. Most people didn't realize at the time because they don't play hero's that need to kill fast so it was a bonus for them But, when there is still hero's that can still 1 shot they are going to preform better.

[@JAZJPisme]

I've always wondered if they made her shots projectile like they are in the battlefield games, would that solve the headaches? Sure you can still be one shot, but it's not just a point and click adventure game. Like hanzo you have to lead your shot a bit, increasing the difficulty curve without gutting the one shot sniper identity.

[@zage932]

Ok came up with a better idea that's not hard to implement. Add a base scoped weapon inaccuracy similar to how valorant has weapon inaccuracies on every gun. Make her scoped shots hitbox slightly smaller, increase the charge, and slightly buff the smg. That's the best way I would balance her without sacrificing hero identity.

[@imstillaj]

The second a widow is picked the game turns from overwatch to protect the president if shes on your team to red light green light if shes an enemy

[@Norfyo]

Very needed video! This season is making me want to play anything else rather than OW, not gonna lie. Maybe they should reduce her hps more so that, even with hardcore peel, she could die more easily? Reintroduce falloff and revert the bullet size? I am not sure, I guess they could do something to make her viable without giving her free server admin advantages 🤣I miss Sombra!

[@AbbyOW2]

Try out the arcade mode, much more fun and no widow in it either

[@kelseykent1196]

The sad part about people saying just dive the widow is that it’s still not a good choice especially if she can just flick shot one shot you then what. Or the fact that some teammates won’t swap to help out and like you said the supports will peel for her.

[@LightWavess]

Widow was broken since the moment she exist, people were just too complacent and tolerated her.

[@kippbleu8289]

I agree, Widow maker and snipers has been a problem since the start of overwatch because of one shots. After Sombra nerfs, I feel like snipers became stronger and more difficult to deal with. And the team has to coordinate around the sniper one shots.

[@triplethegrowth]

Can you turn your volume up a tad? I had my phone at max volume and you were still a tad too quiet.

[@babyburch33]

It’s already bad enough they absolutely gutted Sombra, thus granting Widow the mythic skin this current season. Quite a coincidence all of a sudden.

[@Rebel1280]

As a Sombra main, yall asked for this.

[@jaivettasheem1314]

went 40-3 in silver on her and i am a hanzo main. yet people somehow complain he was more bs then widow. abusing her to climb since devs wont nerf her in any meaningful way.

[@BigPro1123]

I never understood the Hanson hate. He had to actually predict you. Widow just clicks heads

[@BigPro1123]

Hanzo*

[@jaivettasheem1314]

@@BigPro1123 Ikr he takes more skill and everything yet he always treated like a mistake just as genji

[@BuffGenji]

One thing I do disagree with you here tho is that genji still kept all his breakpoints on widow. He can actually still kill her with 3 head melee or 3 head dash. But any amount of healing will prevent it, and killing her once she starts jump spamming and getting hard pocketed can be difficult

[@spry9953]

Make her bullet size smaller, her range shorter, her charge time longer and her charge- headshot multiplier lower

[@Bplintcatcher]

i think they should make the last 50 damage or so of her scoped shot damage over time like her venom mine, so she still has a one shot but not instant

[@alejandrojimenez1685]

I am new to the game, but yeah... Thus far for me it feels that it is impossible to duel her with other ranged dps like Ashe or Hanzo. She will always have the highground, so it is kind of dumb. Why do even bother playing the other "sniper" Heroes, when you have widow that does the job better without room for competition? It is frustrating to me that loves playing Ashe, but every time there is a widow in the enemy team, if she is good enough. I don't get to play the game and end up changing to another hero.

[@DNYLNY]

I hate widow but I switch to venture against her cuz he hard counters her.

[@PugsleyThePear]

Oh but countering widowmaker is soooo easy! Just have a better Widow on your team /s

[@BigPro1123]

The fact that there are people that genuinely think this way

[@omegapowa123]

what if they don't nerf widow this patch?

[@realdeadbeatdad]

Im actually not mad at this , id much rather a widow meta than a sombra meta 🤷‍♂️, just out sniper her or lock in

[@SUPAPWNED]

HOLD UP DID YOU WIN POINT EMOTE ON POINT GET PINNED AND THEN LOSE THE POINT. BROTHER HOW

[@are_birds_fish]

Here's a fun fact. Anyone who's upset about the fact Widowmaker exist in the game. Need to know that 14 other characters could be removed for the exact same reasons The 14 includes snipers and one shot capabilities. So unless everyone wants to go down to 27 heroes. Get over it, she has been in the game since 2016. Get over it.

[@BigPro1123]

14 other characters can’t one shot across the map. The “one shots” are one shot combos with limited range that take cooldowns and skill to pull off that can become not one shots if they are getting healed.

[@3_Michael_]

Revert her projectile size and tune down her range. Give Hanzo his draw time back

[@Pryoadox]

I fully agree, widow has been to strong for to long. But, one side note that I have hitscans should have never gotten the hit box increase, but of course that's just my opinion

[@jakethefox975]

What about this she dose high damage but not one shot but gets a poison affect on the enemy that deals the missing damage to one shot that makes it so you could survive and bring kiriko as a counter to her then sombra is not as needed it keeps the one shot in way but different the poison affect is per bullet so she can survive if you get heal but if left alone you will die. It's would of course only kill you if you got head shot plus poison from one shot. My second idea breaks her lore but it would be like cod sniper she could hold on a meter that her breath she would have perfect shot but if run out then it's wost but it keeps her one shot the first one is better because it's fits her character and lord still.

[@VALY-zm2tk]

Shes healthy to the game cuz its the only hero that allows me to carry on DPS consistently

[@cosmonautyy]

Widow metas have always been awful but post season 9 with our hitboxes being this big and losing the possibility of Sombra keeping her in check to force a swap... THE GAME IS NOT FUN. I know how to play against her, my team can still win, but it's enraging. They need to give her the Doom Xmas treatment like right now.

[@Icebear90210]

Yeah I've stopped playing for a few weeks now coz the balance is so trash and getting widows every game just pushed me over the edge

[@freedom6868]

I honestly take sombra at this point, so tired of teams never pushing because LOS.

[@RandomGamerCory]

I always hated widow more than hog Hog was easy to outplay and he had a range. Widow could just be anywhere and even if not amazing aim can still get lucky headshots and just delete you from literally across the map of sightlines allow

[@skmkr5222]

Remove her one shot potential, buff her HP and her alt fire and she would be fun to play as and against.

[@GoldenKing456]

no shot this guy is saying widow is broken with all the characters who shut her down

[@quantum_psi]

Genji main complaints about Widow? Severe skill issue 😂

[@crack-man4071]

Ngl, i always found widow boring to play, the headshot sound is satisfying dont get me wrong, and yeah sure she does take skill, i can learn her after like 5h, for an average skill level, but I would rather play my pookie hanzo

[@kosmosfan01]

And yet you're somehow the bad guy for swapping to Sombra to deal with her lol I swear people don't have any other response to the Widow situation other than 'just dive her' when the reality is that even a slightly competent support comp can easily peel for her and just shuts that strategy down. As has been said before, if you need an entire team to dive a single character, there's a problem.

[@Thy_cockroach_crusader]

she just needs way longer charge time. no quick scopes

[@willywonka00]

Completely nerf and gut sombra makes perfect sense. The stupid casual mentality Of what's annoying should be nerfed is so stupid.

[@bardiauae999]

10:13 that rein pin XDDDDDDDD

[@cathat1017]

I thought the balance patch comin today was for the talent mode?

[@AbbyOW2]

Its both

[@cathat1017]

@@AbbyOW2 oh cool ima pray its good😂

[@nofurs]

No brain? Only aim? Widow main!

[@crabby6549]

7:12 this is news to me, i thought widow, as a hitscan, had no "projectile size"? And hanzo as projectile hero, did? What?

[@EasyDubai]

Both characters have a object that is flying at high velocities to kill/maim a person - these are, by definition, projectiles. Widow's bullets have a certain size (that were adjusted in Season 9) as do Hanzo's. For the sake of convenience, we refer to both Hanzo's and Widowmaker's arrows and bullets as the "projectile size".

[@crabby6549]

@@EasyDubai aha okay thanks, seems like season 9 is the root of so many bad decisions

[@EasyDubai]

@@crabby6549 Agreed. Season 9 should have been reverted. It gave the current DPS passive which is a necessary evil and... that's it. Every other major change was horrendous.

[@tiggle5485]

I hate sombra but I’m also starting to hate widow.

[@Off_lucci]

naaaa keep her actually buff her its sombra or widow yall wanted sombra out this is what yall get a camper that hits in the back ground and we took a flank out the game

[@jamestolliver2836]

Mirror. Watch. Sombra.

[@thenewmissinglink8501]

2:21 plz don’t piss me off 😭😭

[@frankaxe6700]

Now heres were they Messed up They made a character Who whole Identity Is one shot Unlike Hanzo He Has tools other than one shot Like storm arrow and The track arrow.But he didn't Deserve to be nerfed In my opinion.But widow Maker If you nerd her shes Trash If you Buff her Shes busted But Again I could be wrong I understand that.

[@LuchaDCom]

so u cant play genji tracer sombra wreaking ball winston mercy kiriko briggite reinhardt dva zarya... well i can do this all day.