@@anonymousfibonacci they're everywhere

You're welcome

don't you mean "scallywag"?

@@Moonking7 Nate's kill count is almost never mentioned in the video. I'm talking about something a little different from what you are. Consider when Chole says, in Uncharted 2, "you don't always have to play the bloody hero", or when Nate also says, "I'm done playing the hero" etc.

@@natedansereau I forgot to mention, this is purely just that the title (imo) misinterprets the characters role in the story, I'm not implying that the contents of the video match the title, but the title could mislead people into thinking that he was supposed to be thought of as a hero, and thank you for actually giving some evidence instead of the classic rage-filled response most people would spew, good day to you. Hope u grow larger than other channels.

maybe

Definitely. Cars are a necessity for some people but for most its just a commodity that ends up wasting a lot of space in routes and parking lots.

cemetery???

@@Retr0_d maybe? I assumed it was one if his soldiers, who might have heard the stories about Nate?

@@Eris1987 "dragon" could be a biological classification, like turtle or homo sapien. You could argue that fire breathing turtle is very dragon like in this sense but it's certianly up for debate. Alternatively, "dragon" could be more of a literary trope/ classification. In this second sense, bowser is 100% a dragon

@natedansereau in universe and in descriptions Bowser is only ever called a turtle and I have found a lack of anything about him being a dragon in any source, let alone described as dragon-like. It is a thing that mostly comes from the fan community. Bowser is well a turtle and falls under this categorization alongside other turtles within the Mario world. Koopas(NokoNokos not Koopas), Spikes, Spinys, Bros., Lakitus, Buzzy Beetles, Sea Turtles, etc. Meanwhile in-universe the word dragon is applied to well actually dragons like the Hooktail. In addition it is applied to Yoshies and Dorrie. Note Yoshi is a dinosaur and Dorrie is a marine reptile distantly related to dinosaurs. Yoshies can't breath fire unless they eat a Red Shell in SMB4SMW or eat a Magic Flower. Yoshies also don't have wings either unless they use a power-up or eat a Blue Shell in SMB4SMW. Dorries don't fly or breathe fire. So dragon in the Mario world is a broad term that refers to various reptiles, but isn't applied to turtles.

@@Eris1987 I don't live in the Mario world though. So I can't play by those rules. Mario exists in our universe, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it. Anything learned exclusively in the scope of "Mario's Universe" is too limited for my personal taste.

I am sorry to hear it

@@natedansereau No don't be I don't normally sit in couches and then I was like why am I sore and hate my life and its cause the couch. it speaks to a sort of slow sinking we participate in. we have no spines anymore :( wall e ass life boiling frog ass life

Uncharted 2 Soundtrack, the song is called "Cornered"

@@icmull nice

@@SUM1knight thank you

@@joshuakirkham9593 thanks, hope you get something out of it.

@@negligent_omnicide it's something else

@@Randolph_ I can get behind that. I think just the open world with the time trials is a pretty chill game

@@WhyteLis21 yeah but he saves the world at the end of most of the games

@@natedansereau Lol. Most anti heroes can do the same as heroes do when they chose to saving the world, too. Nate is no different in my opinion.

@@kodybuffettwilson doesn't matter who deserves what. If Ellie doesn't forgive, she will suffer more. She doesn't have to forgive, as long as she is willing to carry heavy burdens

@@natedansereau considering that she's left without the use of one hand as well as everyone she ever cared about and that cared for her after forgiving Abby, I'd say she would be much better off if she put down the sadistic maniac as soon as she had the chance. It's funny how the entire plot is contrived in order to justify her forgiving the woman who murdered her guardian in cold blood and it still is unable to make it a sensible or satisfying outcome. The entire game shouldn't have been made to begin with, since the ending of the original game was ambiguous enough on the surface to facilitate meaningful discourse, while the objective assessment still held up with both character motivations and logical cause and effect. This game insists upon one reading and one reading only: "violence is cyclical, revenge is empty, now go murder hundreds of faceless goons just to let the one character we have a meaningful conflict with live because the theme demands it." and any disputing of this is disregarded as "lacking media literacy" or "just being upset it wasn't something you wanted", etc.

@kodybuffettwilson hmmm. She left without the (full) use of one hand as well as everyone else she cared about after killing like 100 people, including an unborn baby. She probably still has to make up for that on some level (and Abby still would have fought back and bit her hand if Ellie had finished the job). Maybe Abby "deserves" to die (whatever that means) but does Lev deserve to lose someone? If Abby deserves all that after killing one guy, what does Ellie deserve after what she did in the game? I find these questions to be alot more interesting than what most videogames can muster. Plus story aside, this is one of the funnest, most intense games I've ever played. It's okay if you don't like it, I don't think you lack media literacy or anything. The main reason I responded to your comment is because I value forgiveness so much. I think forgiveness is a very powerful, beautiful thing, that takes great emotional strength and courage to use. Ellie will only be better off in the long run, by beginning to actually process and move on from her anger.

@@natedansereau I understand forgiveness can be a compelling theme, but it wasn't executed well here, mainly because Neil Druckmann and his yes-men are hateful people who deliberately undermined the meaning and appeal of the original game because they prioritized their own hackneyed execution of a "mature theme" over a well-written story or characters.

@@kodybuffettwilson can I just offer that you started this conversation, not by saying anything about poor execution or storytelling, but that certain characters did or didn't need forgiveness. Don't you think that if the story really was so bad, or the characters not compelling, you just wouldn't care who forgives what? Doesn't your (and mine and others') strong opinion about the moral issues presented in the story, demonstrate (that unlike many games) the themes have successfully made an emotional impact? (Thanks for your feedback so far btw)

@@woulfhound that's okay

@@natedansereau Not it's not, you need to justify your reasoning.

@@woulfhoundMaybe I didn't choose the greatest title? I do spend a good chunk of the video talking about how Nathan Drake doesn't want to be a hero, including pointing out multiple instances where he says "I'm done playing the hero". I'm also gonna stand by the idea that you don't always have to lay out your argument in an ABC roadmap. I'm happy with how I worded the video. I appreciate your feedback though, thanks

@@RyanJSmith While I appreciate your interpretation of the video, I would offer that you could also see it as a 30 minute celebration of Nathan Drake's adventures that also discusses the nature of greatness and heroism in a pretty neutral way.

@@natedansereau I'm moreso critical of the direction of the storytelling than your video. I do see and appreciate the celebration and discussion. The neutrality does fall away in agreeing with 4's villain. His view is reductive and demeaning of Nate's accomplishments out of his spite. I'd say it's an example of a writer having the villain voice their views (like Kylo Ren's "let the past die..." line) and in this case is a challenge point for the audience. You agreeing is where you go from discussion to assessment. It's fair if your assessment is different to mine, it's inevitable given 4's dichotomous nature, it's just that if I had a 30 minute celebration of Drake the title would proclaim him a hero.

@@RyanJSmith fair enough

@@trouper206 you can still watch Indiana Jones in the 2000s

@@natedansereau I never claimed otherwise