The German’s won, sorry.

Both types of engines found their niche deployments. The "English" centrifugal are more compact and excellent for turbine rotor craft and auxiliary power units. The "German" axial flow has proven to be far more useful in turbojet and turbofan powered high speed aircraft and electric power generation. Love 'em round engines!

The 262 is beautiful. The Gloucester is ugly like the Henkel

kg is not a unit of thrust. Thrust is a force, and should be given in Newtons.

3 things never mentiond, in no paticular order 1 to be accepted into milliatry service an engine had to pass the 100 hour test. 2 swept wings are not required at sub mach speeds. 3 the theory of atom migration at high temps would not be fully understood until the electron microscope appeared making the axial jet viable, to say that Mr Whittle was not aware of the axial jet is wrong. please refer to books by Stanley Hooker for early jet engine development and Teddy Petter for aircraft designe.

Anyvtime i watch thins like this about British aerospace being on the cutting edge i feek sad because we gave it all up for short term monetary relief.

Not an aircraft buff but I heard the meteor was nicknamed the meteorite after a metal object that fell out of the sky without warning.

Just another Propoganda vid of the English version of History.

The P.51 was a credit to American engineering - attention to detail; low tolerances; CAD/CAM metal making.... Packard Merlins better than RR; the Brits dropped bearings into a bin - the Americans had a curving chute to GENTLY lower them - it made a difference.

OMG you showed my old radio....I saw it last in the V & A museum!!

Nobody won. Jet engines were barely a thing in WW2 and none of the engines were reliable in any way whatsoever. They were all death traps.

the Germans first jet powered flight was 27 August 1939. the Italians flew their first jet powered engine 27 August 1940. the Brits wasn't until 15 May 1941.Just think it's interesting that the Brits always try everything to leave the Italians out.

Correction - the sweep wings were adopted because of issues with the aircraft centre of gravity.

Fascinating to see the development at Gloster from the Gladiator to the Meteor, only 8 years of difference in the years they were set in production.

Germany had TWO operational jet warplanes by ear end, the other being the Arado 234 bomber / reconnaissance aircraft, again using the Jumo engine. Britain could have had a second jet aircraft, the de Haviland Vampire using the DH Goblin engine but unlike Gloster had other aircraft in production that took precedence. The Lockheed..? The Americans had a flight of aircraft in Italy, but they were quickly withdrawn as not service ready - and like the British had piston engined fighters capable of combating even the best German designs, with better in pre production.

And THIS ..this is WHY i have ALWAYS said MORE could have been done EVERYWHERE to save MANY MORE souls!!!😢 So sad that the whole world stood by and allowed and watched MILLIONS be Slaughtered 😢😢

Why did rhe British insist on putting the engines inside the wings (also on the Comet)? Surely this made maintenance very much more difficult. The ME 262 design was far more sensible.

That was my mum's kitchen in the late 40's !! I recall the Butler sink vividly....so many memories....all now museum pieces.....

I have to confess that I can't get an image of the first ME162 pictured as being made of multiple small pieces of metal held together with duct tape out of my mind. Happens every time I see those pictures.

The fear put into the bombers was worse than any fear put into a tumped over V 1. Swept wings , heavy nose armament was a precursor to F 86 armament and speed. 262 easily in my opinion.

Hats off to Mrs Shilling 👍

germany that was easy lol

Where was nigeria

The Meteor was mainly intended as a flying test bed for jet engines. The 262 was mainly an "Oh mein Gott vee are losing ze fekkin war! We need jet fighters und rocket fighters und tens of thousands of slave workers und oil made from coal!"

Frederick Paulus was the best general of German Army, he was intelligent man and would have never lost this war if his boss listened, he requested a temporary retreat and regroup but Hitler didn’t listen and Hitler forced paulus to continue to fight while heavily surrounded by Russians

Compare with the Gladiator then reflect how technology advanced in under a decade.

Franklin Roosevelt was a Supportive of the profits of from WAR

But the turbofans we fly off on holiday with are the grandsons and great grandsons of german axial flow engines, NOT Whittle's centrifugal flow engines.

WALL STREET SATANIC MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX HAS RULED USA FOR WELL OVER 150 YEARS !

The Socialist government elected after ww2 were desperate for wood for reconstruction, we had none, Russia had shed loads, hence Harold Wilson, who was minister for trade did a deal with the Russians, we gave them about four of the latest Rolls Royce jet engines, then the Russians gave us some wood. Little surprise then that Russian jet MIGs appeared soon afterwards and would go on to perform rather well in the Korean war . Wilson was always suspected of being a Communist, but nothing proven, he was also accused of a long term affair with his press secretary, all of course strenuously denied. Only a few weeks ago this was actually admitted to. A biography of Wilson is a good read .

Well Germany won , simple as that . Building that under war conditions is quite impressive , the Brits had unlimited recourses and build a flying boat that was barely faster than a prop . They catched up in mid 1945 , but the war was already over . And they lacked in swept wing design, same as Vampires , F-80 and so on . F-86 and Mig 15 got swept wings and they wiped the floor with Meteors and F-80's in the Korean war . The Me262 was a good design and the engines were the right one's, axial was the future . They just had not the right materials to make propper heat resistant alloys , the Jumo engines were not very reliable . That's the only downside I would say , in terms of armament it was build to destroy large bombers . For fighters they could easily equip them with 15 or 20mm guns , that should not be a problem or a negative point .

History repeats itself, again Russia will rout the Germans in Ukraine this time , it was time Germany stayed away from funding Ukraine, they are dealing with Russia with over 5000 nuk warheads loaded on hypersonic missiles

Tricycle landing gear wasn’t really an innovation by the time of the Me-262. Other aircraft had used it such as the P-39 Airacobra.

The Meteor is the clear winner in at least two important categories that never seem to be discussed in these forums. It was the first jet to enter military service that wasn't partially built by slave labourers who frequently died due to the appalling conditions they were forced to live and work in. Secondly, it was the first jet to enter service that wasn't designed to defend a regime that was heavily engaged at that time in the genocide of the Jewish population of Europe and Eurasia (and sundry other minorities who they hated) . Of course the bloody wehraboos can disagree, but they know I'm right. Hardthasher forever! I'll see myself out.....

This invasion of sicily ended the war for italy. The king put Mussolini in jail. Yes the fuehrer had mussolini rescued and the germans assumed the defense of the peninsula. It wasnt italies war anymore though. It dragged on as the war in italy.

Another great presentation.... Thank you IWM.... And the post war British Government “gave" the Whittle jet engine plans to Russia who's Migs were used in Korea against Allied forces.... Brilliant !!!!! Roger.... Pembrokeshire

The king of denmark complied with the german invasion, his brother? the king of norway resisted. This norwegian resistance saved the british isles.

If you look at what was actually being accomplished, with reference to jet engines, the Germans were running a distant Third by January 1944 - the jet engine development race was between Great Britain and the U.S. - both producing reliable, high thrust (for the time) engines with sufficient handling margins, that allowed normally skilled pilots to fly them without excessive losses. In early 1944, Stanley Hooker, the Head Jet Guy at Rolls-Royce, visited the U.S., and found that G.E. had 2 4,000 lbf thrust jets running - the Centrifugal I-40 (J33), and the axial TG-180 (J35). Westinghouse had the axial Model 19 (J30) in production, and was about to run the Model 24 (J34). Hooker saw that if they were going to keep up, Rolls would have to step things up, and on his return, began development of the Nene (5,000 lbf thrust), and the Derwent (A scaled-down Nene that would fit in the Meteor. The Germans were still fighting with the BMW 003 and Juno 004 - their compressor and turbine aerodynamics were poor, with low compression ratios per stage in the compressors, high pressure drops in the turbines, very poor compressor stall margins, and low efficiencies - The lack of what would now be called Strategic Materials didn't help, but wasn't a factor in the innate design problems. There's a reason why the engines that came out of the 1944 U.S. - U.K. "race" - the J34, J33, J35, Nene, Derwent, and Goblin stayed in production through the 1950s (1980s, if you count the Soviet and Chinese developments of the VK-1 (Uprated Nene) turbojet of the MiG-15 and MiG-17. No, the U.S. and U.K didn't shove jets out into combat service - we weren't desperate, and losing the war.

I knew the Spitfire had a large number of models, but Mk. 24? Holy moley!

Gloster Meteor was far behind the ME 262. The British don't like this! Same with rockets and Space Flight. Germans were far ahead! All British , American and Russian Jet technology was stolen from the Germans at the end of the war! All jet engines designed after that had the technology based on the ME 262 Engines and further developed from there. Period! Had the Germans not lost the war, all this technology would have emerged within a year!

Its not complicated not even close.

They just want their country united

My Grandfather was in the British Indian Army. He served in India. He is a recipient of the 1939-1945 War Medal. I still have his diary from the year 1944 printed by Hoe & Co. Madras. My father is a recipient of the 1971 Indo-Pak war medal: Paschimi Star (Western Star) awarded to all those who fought in the Western Sector.

The aircraft had fallen victim to the then unknown concept of metal fatigue? Haven't you heard of the Liberty Ships at the NRM? The phenomenon of metal fatigue was well know by the time the Comet was being designed. Indeed, the first tests for metal fatigue took place in the 1850s in Germany. The reason the Me262's engines failed after such a short time was that the Germans had to use inferior materials because of the bomber campaign.

I am always disappointed that vids like this never mention the P-80 Shooting Star, which flew sorties on the Italian front before the end of the war.

Hitler overthought invading Russia. Knowing Russian passion for the motherland would rule out the three army groups and demand an overall thrust directly into Moscow. This would have damaged Russian moral more than anything. The supreme traitor FDR prevented the Japanese from attacking from the east, which was Stalin's greatest worry. FDR was a closet communist. He saved Stalin, whom he idolized and protected. History is written by the victors, and they were in some instances worse than the enemy.

The title is misleading. The Meteor was not the only Allied jet fighter of WW2. The British also developed the de Havelland Vampire, a single engine, axial compressor fighter. And the Americans had the Lockheed P-80, also a single engine jet, though with a GE centrifugal compressor engine modeled on the Whittle Powerjet. The latter saw some service on the Italian front but was soon grounded after some crashes. Besides the Me 262, the Germans deployed the Arado 234 in two and four engine versions as a bomber and reconnaissance plane, and the single-engine (but mounted above rather than in the fuselage) He 163, which Eric Brown considered the best fighter of WW2.

The criteria should be operational deployment...the 262 was first deployed in April 1944 with a maximum speed of 600mph while the Meteor came into use in July with a top speed of around 450mph. It saw limited service serving to intercept V1 rockets and only being used for ground attacks before the end of the war. The 262 by comparison accounted for 300-450 Allied aircraft despite its limited availability.

It’s crazy to think we went from the the first flight in 1903 to jets in around 40 years to then around in 40 more years radar guided and IF guided AAM equipped super sonic jet fighters. there were people alive who saw all of this in one lifetime.

Considering the 262 was built in the war and used what they had it was an amazing plane far better than the british had or the Americans it led the way.