This was nonsense, especially towards the end. What we know is both Titus and Jesus are based on myths from the GRECO-Romans, why Titus elected to have his ministry follow other myths we can only guess at. What is true is that there has to be a dependency between texts. What is also probably true is that Titus wanted to create a messiah and at least embrionically in his time he did precisely that, We have archeology coins, and his family members were the first Christians. This is true. This is what we can know, then in the second century the gospels were created likely from Rome, Josephus is used heavily to create them. This is again fairly obvious, then until the time up to constantine it comes along neatly around the empire with only two real persecutions, one under Diacletian (?) and one under his brother who clearly hated him, Domitian, that's it. Otherwise Christians were not really bothered too much under Roman rule. Tacitus Nero persecution is also likely a forgery, ohh and the Testimonium flavianum most certainly is. You cannot meaningfully disentangle early Christianity from Roman rule. its impossible. From Jesus praising the Centurion, Going the extra mile, having Pilate wash his hands, Then forgiving the Romans for nailing him up, its all palpably arguable as Roman Propaganda. And specifically anti the jewish powers.

00:35:16 *Oh No!* *I,,, CAN'T... STAND...* *MYTHVISION!* *OFF!* What a shame, you were doing so well without him. {:o:O:}

I've never seen you talk so much before. If only you were this animated in your interviews. {:o:O:}

"The Romans invented Christianity" thesis has one huge problem, namely that it´s so utterly improbable that you would have to have seriously good evidence that it happened and Valliant´s evidence is pretty weak and easily explained on other hypotheses. If you accept that Paul was just trying to create a more marketable Christianity, and saw converting the Roman population as key to its survival, then you have a much better explanation for his attitude to the Roman Empire at large. Things like similar symbols, similar iconography aren´t strong evidence, you can just explain that by mimesis. It also simply isn´t standard Roman practise to create a completely new religion post conquest. It´s more common that they try and incorporate local deities into the pantheon. I often read early Christianity as being cynical about politics rather than pro-Rome, i.e don´t bother challenging the earthly powers as you will be in heaven soon. For sure, that changed with people like Augustine and the "city of God".

Christianity, written in Greek, developed in Roman Empire, then taken over by the Roman Empire!

Thank you Derek and Jacob you guys are 2 of my favorite you tubers. Knowledge beyond your years (of course I'm 65)

Jacob, if you can validate your thesis about John's Revelation being a contemporary impression based upon Nero's return from the dead, you will be able to establish a date of pre late 80's authorship. This is the foundation for my suggestion; there were three noted false Nero's. The last of these, as mentioned by Tacitus as a "literary aside' was in the the late 80's. This man, according to Tacitus, actually arrived in Italy and met a couple of Roman Senators who were sure it was Nero. Domitian was in decline and a mature Nero could have deposed him. During negotiations post a Parthian war, the Parthians sent a delegation to Rome. This delegation wasted no time praising Nero's General Corbulo and slighting Nero. I get the impression that this General was a combination of Erwin Rommel and Alexander with strict devotion to duty. The tactic worked as Nero ordered Corbulo to commit suicide hard nearby. This gesture must have given Parthia a great feeling of relief and, perhaps, gratitude. Their gratitude may have extended to a later protection. MY RECEIPTS: Tacitus is a primary source. He has brought this third Nero into history, but the link below provides further clarification. I will direct your attention to the final 2 paragraphs under the topic "After Nero". In this section the widely held belief that Nero would return from the dead is described as 'Nero Redivivus legend'. As Nero met his end TOTALLY by the year 89 the belief system could have informed John's writing....given he wrote Revelation prior to the year 89 C.E. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero

Thanks Jacob. 😅 You certainly do the hard work! Your dedication to seeking to test theories by the best evidence has real integrity.

Good discussion with Derek. The many paths we take during and after deconversion, to deprogram ourselves, not only should not be hidden but rather embraced. As for Roman Provenance, never an attractive position to me but I can sympathize with those who see several texts in the NT as having a heavy redactor with an eye towards what the Roman authorities may think.

This was fun. Glad I got to listen live. Unfortunately, I had to step out and run some errands near the end, so I'll still have to listen to a bit at the start and a bit at the end.

Very informative: people never really look into things like this with skeptical glasses.

You jelious about young man jesus is your king .you like scrifice ismayel.misssaya tell the solàmans temple destroy stone out of stone now some area still remain in jeruselam .by sin genetic mutation happen in human.but today scietnist not allow to check how mitochondria come to human and how mitochondria tell brain human are naked .how aliens pass running by light .

Great Q & A, thank you.

This is the main problem when we live 2000 yrs after Jesus and try to disprove him ever existed!!!

Should try to call it what it originally is the hebrew scriptures not the old testament that is the phrase from christianity

Very plausible as that story makes a lot more sense than “God’s son rising from the dead.” 😱👻😱

And that was only in Paul’s hallucination.. Paul never even met Jesus.

if reading the gospels you come to the conclusion that the Roman elite wrote it, you must be completely blind to what is being said in there, like this girl who speaks and the theories are quite ridiculous for anyone who has even a little understanding of what they read in the gospels

I signed up for the course it is not even listed on the mvp-courses website yet? Is this because it's a very new course?

interview starts at 12:54

When was Genesis written? Moses did not write it because Moses is fiction.

The people around Isrsel at the time had flood stories so the Hebrews wanted one of their own.

Alexander the Great was born 350 years before Jesus supposedly conceived by lightning bolt the night before his mother consummated her marriage. His father allegedly was Zeus.

How do you know someone didn't plagiarze Mark and call Homer's work?

Hebrewed up a story and everybody believed it anyways..

Just because one culture writes something down before another culture does doesn't prove that what they wrote down is older or correct

A fascinating subject and, at this point in time, there is probably no one I'd rather hear discuss it. Getting way off topic early on chasing viewers off-topic rabbits was disappointing. I just checked out.

The best guests on this channel! Enjoyed this so much. Thanks Jacob

Overall lots of information nicely presented

Seems like there are a couple of conclusions the speaker draws that are not neccesarily logical

That's why the Catholics have the most correct Bible

12.50 indeed and why would the Akkadians want to emulate the myth of a small city state. If anything smaller weaker cultures tend to imitate the big empires

The situation in Gaza and Ukraine ironically reveals the truth that it was a warning Personally, I take the Islamic view that these mosquitoes wrote their own scriptures, and now they claim Messiah will arrive one day and they will have 2800 Slaves

Archaeologist can trace all the bible stores from other cultures around the middle east

The true gospel of the kingdom is that its here right now, neigh at hand for us to enter into. The kingdom comes without observation and is within you. "To WHOMEVER overcomes he will inherit ALL THINGS. I will be his God and he will be MY SON." Revelation 21:7.

The 40 days in the desert was actually 40 years. The virgin birth was ALLEGORY.

sitz im leben

I can get served waffles cheaper and quicker elsewhere. Facts and concisely or I am off.

I don't think you can make a legitimate case that narrative Hebrew happened prior to the 8th century. For instance the is no Hebrew texts from any time connected to Moses or Joshua etc.

In short Moses originally wrote Deuteronomy and that's all folks. Animal sacrifices and the levitical law were never included in the original text.

Dr Josh always a pleasure!

When we say an artist is inspired to paint...it isn't considered to perfectly perfect. Art is imperfectly perfect. I think divinely inspired works operste in the same way. The literature/bible is an art form...inspired by the divine, and is imperfectly perfect like the painting.

Before the buybull it was paganism where the Jews and Christians copied a lot of their stories from.

Wonderful video, but i have to take a break every few minutes wishing i could find an "Ummm" filter. No 'Dr' worth their salt has that little mind-mouth control.

Some say that Johanne d’Arc was not burnt at the stake. There was a substitution. Johanne lived and married afterwards. We have some documents signed with her name. Same story….

I'm thinking that if God would quit giving away Promised Lands, we'd all be a good deal better off.

Textual criticism =Communism. Why don’t you take on the Ilead, or the quran, or book of moron. Furthermore, “Slavish cut and paste”…. Sounds a lot racialist against Zalensky and the Ukrainians.

The title implied examples, Jacob opened by asking for examples but we spent thirty minutes on the two basic examples everyone already knows about. I'd really love a comprehensive list or at least a few more.

I'm sorry, but birds in a flood story? Baby in a basket on the river found by royals? That IS plagiarism. But more importantly it's proof that the Bible is just mythology and any pretense that it is the actual word of the one true threemale patriarchal gawd whose "word" is infallible is blown apart by revelations like these. Learning of Sargon's origin story was the nail in the coffin for my childhood indoctrination and completed my deconversion.

3:04 Is he referring to the Chronicles of Riddick (ft. Vin Diesel). Yes, I've studied them. 👍