is old game design better? - Everquest Project 1999

[@ClassicEverQuest]

Congrats on graduating. EQ is has so many minor details that get overlooked and nuances you don't see in modern games. It makes me happy to see someone as young as yourself enjoying the game. Cheers!

[@pip5528]

As someone who played WoW and other games first, I agree.

[@BoomerElite4u]

I was playing EverQuest when 9/11 happened. I joined the ARMY as a scout because of that, and everyone was completely shocked that I already knew how to do land navigation. It was literally FROM PLAYING EVERQUEST. Having to use sense heading / compass / read grid coordinates etc. There was no maps, but even if there was, you couldn't tab out anyways. I'm hoping one day we get another MMO that has this level of ridiculousness to it. I remember when being able to lead someone from Rivervale to Freeport was a real skill that most players didn't have.

[@fullicat]

I've been playing Pantheon rise of the fallen in alpha recently, it has some fundamental old school eq elements to it. No map, interesting navigating via landmarks and intensely social! It's in a seasons phase atm, where u can play a week each season, lots of fun

[@nelflover8909]

@@fullicat Pantheon is definitely starting to come along finally, but a full release is still probably very far away. Monsters and Memories is another great game coming out that is very everquest inspired and looks amazing, early access is slated to start early 2026.

[@w.norris9850]

Dangerous click.... now I got the shakes

[@hawianpunch28]

the music alone will do that to me.

[@stevencarmichael1985]

I recently got into playing everquest again a month or two ago on the p99 green server and im up to lvl 28 playing a wizard. This is my first time playing everquest again in like 20 years. I think the reason why modern gaming isn't as good is because large corporations are slowly sucking the very soul out of games in the name of making as much money as possible.

[@razmatazz9310]

It's incredible how much of the game design they got right from the very start.

[@dessius]

right? you can tell they designed the game because they thought it would be cool, not necessarily just for profit

[@xxJing]

I think what people might consider negative qualities are actually what makes EQ special. (1) It makes you feel lost (2) It makes you feel in danger Those two qualities just naturally highten how much attention you pay to the game and increase your immersion. The issue is though that many new gamers or casual gamers are turned off by that, especially in an online game. So if an MMO wants high numbers, it has to do away with that and make things easy and completely soloable. You can definitely solo EQ, but it's not easy in the slightest if you are new to the game. That said, all the pre-WoW MMOs were special. I also have fond memories of UO, Asheron's Call, Dark Age of Camelot, Star Wars Galaxies, EQ2 even (technically pre-WoW by about 3 weeks).

[@junkequation]

Yes. Classic UO played via uo outlands shard and EQ via project 1999 are the best games available right now, which is a shame. In 1999, I thought the gaming experience would be totally amazing by 2024. Nope.

[@DesertTOON]

💯💯💯

[@McKnabbZ]

Eq was kinda magical. The core difficulty made the game dangerous and heart pounding. That experience has not been duplicated in any other mmo. The class design was near perfect I think. Every class had amazing strengths and debilitating weaknesses which made you want to group and play your role cause you wanted to make the difference in your group. So much can be said about EQ. Hope Ashes of creation is at least half the game EQ was.

[@ehliaskarim1520]

I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT BELL TOLLING WHEN YOU DIE!! That took me back to Nektulos Forest circa 2001😂

[@BuzWeaver]

Great nostalgia. I've not played 1999 in years or the regular game in years. It was amazing playing the Free To Play weekend in Pantheon. Lots of great memories. Thanks for the delightful video.

[@jorgesantana1089]

My main was a Halfling Druid named Veronimous Underhill. :) Loved EQ.

[@bagel_jr]

Everquest 1999 is literally peak. Nothing comes close to it nowadays.

[@tornixdm2431]

older games i find i can sit down and enjoy the game itself the environments characters even the soundtracks of some old games are very memorable etc whereas modern titles its like im being forced to play the game in a certain way being pushed towards certain objectives the world is not made as exciting as the objective and oh god dailies can go to hell and Fomo "play for this event or you'll never get this thing!!". theres less freedom involved. there is also the fact that game companies are a business in the end they do have to make money just how some of them do so is a bit unsavory. Apart from a few indie titles i have not bought/played/enjoyed many new releases and my pc is full of old games and its funny some stuff from the 90s still have huge followings and modding communities bringing them forward in time its really impressive

[@lisajean1212]

Dude, I love that you said it's all about helping each other out. So true on P99, not true on the other server. Even though nobody cares there, I still try to buff and help as a druid when I can. 🥰 Really wondering why I'm playing anywhere but P99. Congrats on your college degree!!! Please consider making P99 content.

[@jeremiahcomer]

That Taco Bell death song isn’t right lol. Something is messed up with the midi.

[@jarekstorm6331]

The sound palette is definitely wrong. I used “midi to mp3” conversion software to add original music to EQLive years ago, and remember having to find the correct midi sound palette.

[@TerminalLanceGaming3051]

To answer the title, YES

[@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb]

I played EQ and WoW at launch (I’m old as dirt) and remember thinking WoW was care bear/ ez mode. Started a char on P99 Blue recently for fun. It’s funny how some things come back after so many years. Btw congrats on graduating!

[@Nobleshield]

EQ has some things which I think should be brought back, but a LOT which is just terrible: Forced grouping to do basic (i.e. leveling) content for most classes unless you are twinked to the gills, ridiculous spawn timers on mobs, incredibly harsh death penalty spring to mind. All things that can and should be adjusted, but not to the extent that more modern MMOs (read: WoW) went. IMHO there's a happy medium that has yet to be realized between harsh ultra-grindy and rollercoaster themepark.

[@brianross9926]

Live or TLP EQ is much more middle ground when compared to project 1999

[@dessius]

I think with the aspects you're talking about, Classic WoW may be the closest MMO experience to balance those relatively successfully.

[@Nobleshield]

@@brianross9926 Yeah, my first EQ experience was on Oakwynd, it wasn't bad although some stuff (NPC respawns, spent a week trying to get the guy for testament of vanear, spent like 3 days farming the ancient croc) was ridiculous

[@brianross9926]

@@Nobleshield I find some of that kind of stuff appealing because not only does it make it more exciting and meaningful when you accomplish something. But, it also gives some longevity to the game instead of having nothing else left to chase or do. It can certainly be frustrating in the process though so, I get it :)

[@chill521]

OMG, I remember that. Druid was my first and looking at it now, wow, what a terrible game. LOL. How many hours were spent sitting getting mana back. After EQ I went to Dark Age of Camelot (way more fun/better graphics/wait time), then World of Warcraft for 13 years (of course the ultimate game) now Im messin around with Path of exile. Reciently I tried EQ again but I couldnt do it.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

I first played EQ classic 15 years after it came out...long after I had played many other, more modern MMOs. So even though there was zero nostalgia factoring into it, i still think EQ is the greatest MMORPG of all time.

[@dessius]

thanks for sharing! I've been trying to have an unbiased view of EQ without the nostalgia goggles but it's tough, so I appreciate your insight.

[@brianross9926]

I like your take on modern games sir! As on old school gamer (50 years old) I've really seen games change a lot over the years. And, not always for the best. I enjoy the TLP EQ experience although I will admit that the krono and the boxing does take away from that old original EQ feel.

[@Lessthanpropane]

congratulations on finishing college man! that's hard work and you earned it! would love to group up on quarm sometime got a couple characters from 8-17!

[@dessius]

thank you! I'd be down to group! got a level 6 shammy atm

[@Lessthanpropane]

@@dessius i got an 8 bard in qeynos really need to free him to freeport hahq

[@beastcoaster9340]

Great video -- nice persecutive.

[@cloudymindtv85]

Wether you play p99 or retail theres a very good reason people still play everquest in 2024,

[@pip5528]

Nice druid, man! I twinked my bard a bit with some decent armor and a faster sword over on Quarm and got her to 6 whereas my necro main is halfway through 35. I also went on a cruise last week so I didn't have time for EQ but that was fun its own right. EQ is definitely a product of its time and although slightly less classic, even vanilla WoW plays differently from early EQ. Early vanilla patches are similarly hard to EQ in terms of mob difficulty from what I understand and based on servers I've seen. 2019's Classic WoW rerelease used the final vanilla patch which already had a lot of nerfs and now even Classic Era has some changes so the purists are understandably mad, especially because it didn't capture the full essence due to nerfs and things like no progressive itemization. That bell on death sounds like a MIDI bug. It's supposed to be an actual song and not just a sound like completing a quest or leveling up. It kinda makes me sad that Fortnite: Save The World is less recognized than Battle Royale because I love co-op.

[@hom-sha-bom]

into the thick of it

[@palto567]

you need a /loc hotkey...press it right as you die and then you can use the hotkey to easily home in on your corpse. Saved my bacon many times in the Feerrott.

[@ihaveproblems9779]

Good lad.

[@michaeljoseph3475]

YOu just got another sub. Makes me wanna play EQ again. The bell when dying was actually the Death song. YOu probably need to fix your sound. Congrats on graduating .

[@Sephiroso.]

Some old design is better, most isn't. That's really the only objective answer to this question i feel. The old design centered around fostering a social atmosphere and for lack of a better term, class fantasy/identity tends to be the times when old design was better. I remember my experiences in playing a game called Dark Ages which was excellent at fostering a social atmosphere within the game with a variety of systems it had to achieve that. And Vanilla WoW was great at making you fall into the fantasy of playing your class with the class quests and certain mechanics each class had unique to them that made sense. A lot of that has been stripped away in modern mmo's. But there's also a lot of design systems that amounted to little other than time wasters or contributed to a great amount of spam that's better left in the past.

[@Merknilash]

If I were to make an EverQuest 3 - I would remake the original game, use AI to help create a massive world, and use the concepts of the original with refinements made to combat so that melee characters aren't just auto attacking.

[@mhrcracing]

I guarantee you there's gold buying and rmt in that game too

[@dessius]

yeah it's probably something no game will ever be able to avoid if players really want to do that kinda stuff.

[@garypeterson9745]

I wanna play this so bad now

[@dessius]

do it!

[@gutika113]

Does P99 now have 3rd person follow cam mouse controls?? The camera not being left click and right click controllable in 3rd person is a big reason why I eventually left and went to live tlp

[@dessius]

@@gutika113 it doesn’t have the left click 3rd person view no, but it does have the right click. Project Quarm has a mod called Zeal where it does have those features though!

[@ryuoki1]

The old style graphics are superior. Less hardware intensive primarily. And on down the list, to play a game doesn't require the latest and greatest graphics with the smallest pixels to be successful. Plenty of indie games can prove this. But one word of warning regarding old school EQ, it is not for the helicopter parented children who think they deserve a trophy for everything they do. This game was very unforgiving, and even rewarding in many ways than just phat lewts.

[@RunesandReapers]

its not that modern games dont do things better. They clearly do it's that they ont put immersion, storytelling, gameplay first. They instead think okay we need a _____ protaganist. We need to make sure we are representing group ________ and _______, and of course _______. And let's make sure to make it pretty easy so everyone can enjoy it.

[@YawnGod]

Nifty.

[@ikcedra]

Congratulations on graduating! That sound, did you set a play timer?

[@dessius]

Thank you! and I don't think so, but I'm not opposed to the taco bell sound effect if I die lol

[@sammy-ix3eh]

The best survival game on the market.

[@dessius]

exactly!

[@RyanLevRon]

I’m wanting to play P99 but can’t figure out how to download it.

[@dessius]

If you look up project 1999 download guide on KZbin I think there's a guy who has a link for a google drive to download the client.

[@SicariiDTenebris]

There's a couple videos that are pretty helpful and also a facebook page that even has the EQ game client download. The community is also very happy to help.

[@mrbleak9873]

Should’ve played a bard on a pvp server ☠️

[@johncicero5980]

yes.

[@hurbsnarebergowitz4083]

Project Quarm of TAKP The Al Kabor Project has everything from Classic Everquest, and the realized intent to assist people to enjoy and play the game. Instanced raids, no fighting other guilds, legacy drops of NO TRADE manastone/guise/jboots .. we're just starting Kunark July 1st 2024, raids happen all the time.. come on down to the EC tunnel, we're waiting for you

[@dessius]

I'm playing it now! Got a video coming out today about it

[@Daygard1]

EverQuest is a terrible game. New old, makes no difference. Boring, exp gain is a complete waste of your time. Forget gear, the same garbage drops on every server and it’s to weak seriously to even use unless your killing things 5 levels lower then you are. I can go on for hours, but I’ll leave it here. Don’t waste your time, go play something fun.

[@SicariiDTenebris]

EverQuest is a fantastic game. Playing it with other people who turn into friends is priceless. I have many people I stay in touch with that I met through EverQuest. Things are slow because it was a time where you felt some feeling of accomplishment rather than instant gratification like now a days.

[@simeonmartin1902]

Sounds like EQ chewed you up and spit you out to me. 😅

[@halason1]

yes the game had purpose, every zone was lore driven not just lets put cool things here for no reason.

[@halason1]

if you have to box to play an MMO its not an MMO!

[@GrassSaint33]

I enjoy boxing but I do kinda agree. It doesn't feel the same.