Thank you so much for making this video. Its insane to me how people only care about how much damage they're doing. I figured when Blizz added soloQ RBGs, that a lot of those characters wouldn't touch the game. The unfortunate reality is that, a majority of players just absolutely do not give a shit LOL. I wish I could drop the link to this video in every single lobby I get into. Cheers mate.
@MonsteinАй бұрын
Great video. Been looking at getting into solo rated BG stuff, was ultra excited for it when it came out before learning it was pre made only.
@Handskemager2 ай бұрын
Finally found another person that understands RBG. Control and situational awareness is miles more important than straight up damage output.
@dustypoo22092 ай бұрын
Can we get a link to that song?
@omerbozer74232 ай бұрын
thank you dude it is really short and easy overview., i cary mid crystal but didnt know where should i go and we win whil im caring gem :D lol
@draith17932 ай бұрын
THANK YOU! It’s good to know others out there get this. I’ve been saying this for YEARS! If you want to be top DPS go raid! This is PvP Objectives Matter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@damiangarcia51152 ай бұрын
talentos ?
@davisrealestate3 ай бұрын
What’s the UI/frames you’re using?
@kencox61663 ай бұрын
stop crying, if you don't like it, quit or make one.
@RaggokOozo3 ай бұрын
You just replied to a 10 year old video, moron. How stupid are you?
@jkaupp83 ай бұрын
I don't know why people defend the obviously shitty implementation of this game mode. Their only argument is that with enough hellish games played that you'll finally make it where you should. Maybe I don't want to do that?
@charliegzz57373 ай бұрын
Nice burst! - what is the rotation here? (sorry I am new to the class)
@RaggokOozo3 ай бұрын
Nothing special, just incarnation followed by force of nature (treants) into three wraths (with extra damage coming from keeper of the grove hero talent) into starsurges. Normally, you would like to have DOTs up beforehand but I needed to kill him before he got to cap
@potatoe19753 ай бұрын
Done that on me feral yesterday. It was nice
@RaggokOozo3 ай бұрын
I don't think a lot of people are aware balance can do this kind of burst. I haven't really seen anyone talking about it. This build also leans into starfall, so it has the flexibility to do team fight damage or go for high priority kills. Balance is just kind of held back by it's relative defensive weakness, however frenzied regen fix seems to be helping.
@bryanmoyna97153 ай бұрын
Asmongold viewership are childish sugardaddies, as the big majority. He is a clown hiding behind uncertainty. The thing is, if you almost always act one way in public, then youre not a character, you are what you show, for example: "A person who always do and say racist things, who enables, admires and or validates racism in any way shape or form, whose whole persona/show is about portraying racism as a good thing, EVEN if he himself does not acknowledge that everything he or others are doing is racist, that person is racist, theres no debate or opinion, because thats the literal definition of what a racist person is, theres no 'no dude, its entertainment' no its not, its not satire, its not parody, its racist propaganda." Water is wet, you get the idea, you cant debate facts, only a fool or a liar would, cos thats not a disagreement, or a difference of opinion, its about accepting we are living a real world, otherwise anything goes, and i mean, *anything.*
@kliklaklote3 ай бұрын
Bit whiny near the end but good tips
@mathiskieffer36913 ай бұрын
Interface ? Link profils plz do beautifull Nice vidéo you do strong
@e_fishwife3 ай бұрын
omg thank you so much this was crazy helpful
@RaggokOozo3 ай бұрын
Thanks. One thing I need to add is that you can actually capture the crystal at either cap location.
@gie58344 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this video, I hope more ppl in the WoW PvP community continue to push for a better Matchmaking system. I've seen other big voices (3 afaik) in the community acknowledge similar MM woes but they don't seem to care to raise concern of it. Folks on twitter have also been lodging similar complaints @ warcraftdevs. Hopefully some action will be taken.
@gie58344 ай бұрын
Reddit isn't a platform that allows freedom of speech. Have had multiple reddit accounts and my experience on them has been the same. Have been either banned or downvoted just for sharing factual information, stuff that you wouldn't possibly think would offend anyone ever. WoW official forums at least allows you to post, altho there are contrarian trolls who lurk making the dumbest of arguments.
@aiglemimi4 ай бұрын
2368 CR myself. alway had 70%+ winrate, played @ 2.8k mmr Lost 4 gamles in a row cause Flagmap and we didn't have : rogue/DH/evo/Monk for the 4 games. While the ennemy team had always 1-2 Hmonks, 1-2 rogues, 1-2 DK.... My MMR went this way : First loose from 2.8k MMR : -2.6k then -2.2k -2k -1.8k My CR tanked to 2.250... I loose 25+ pts per loose now. And when I win i get 2pts. And no matter how many I win, my MMR doens't go up. So this character is dead for Eliet. Nice. I play also a shadow priest. 10 games-8 victory, MY MMR NEVER MOOVED. I lost 1 game and now I'm stuck in infitie 1.2k-1.3k MMR. SO this character is dead for Elite. Nice. THIS IS HELL
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
It does seem like there is a lot of downward volatility but not as much upward volatility.
@aiglemimi4 ай бұрын
Edit* : I played 1 game with my SP and suddenly it was 1.7k MMR, I won the game, got 90CR ! Great ! Next game was 1.3k MMR... I don't understaaaaaand
@InfurnalBork4 ай бұрын
That PvP subreddit perma banned me for even talking about tanks in arena. Shit subreddit, do not go there.
@nathanbell69624 ай бұрын
I was 2100 then got on a 20 game losing streak, thats right 20 game
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
Ugh, sorry. A mixture of close games that were lost and totally unwinnable games I imagine.
@jamesgphillips914 ай бұрын
literally working as designed. The system assumes your impact will be larger and then tells you your not hot shit and becomes less certain of your ability.
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
What works for arena, does not work for Blitz. Two people can't carry some teams. And, the problem is getting these types of matches back to back to back with none higher.
@jamesgphillips914 ай бұрын
@@RaggokOozo there’s a confidence coefficient that is trying to push you down. It’s an issue in all blizzard mmr games. I will say this, if you don’t have expectations and focus on carrying you will climb over time. It forces the grind unless you can carry those games your in. I don’t think the design is great, it just is the design. Don’t psyche your self out and focus on things you can’t control. They know StarCraft 2 and hots and solo shuffle been complaining for ever
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
@@jamesgphillips91 This just doesn't work for Blitz like it works for arena and full ten man RBGs, IMO. You can have absolutely zero impact on the outcome of the match. And, the downward volatility is just too harsh when you lose one of these down-placement matches which you inevitably will if enough of them are thrown at you.
@jamesgphillips914 ай бұрын
@@RaggokOozo brother it really doesn’t work anywhere is what I’m saying. Forced 50 percent win rate is bad design, it just is the design used across all blizzard games. I thing grubby the wc3 player has even posted about it.
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
@@jamesgphillips91 Not going to argue it's not great anywhere, but IMO it is definitely worse in the Blitz format due to the number of people involved.
@SteveRulez004 ай бұрын
There's no way to make a perfect system for solo queue 8v8. There's too many people in the match to get perfect balance and at the same time keep queue timers below 30 minutes. You will have games that are 100 mm lower than yours and you will have games that are 100 mmr higher than yours. You will have games with turds that you have no chance of winning and you will have games against turds that are free wins. If you look at just 1 or 2 games, yes there will be imbalance sometimes. If you play for the entire season, it will even out over time. Unfair losses like the ones in this video will be countered by unfair wins. It's not possible for every game to be fair, it's something that you have to accept for solo que rbgs. If you don't like it, find a 10v10 team to play with (good luck with that).
@rosemorningstar53684 ай бұрын
Lmfao even their team won (horde), that person under you score lost 200 points. Sheeesh.
@R0LL134 ай бұрын
The person that lost 200 points quit the match early. And their team still won with a 1 person disadvantage. If this doesn't tell you about the quality of play...
@isosceles14764 ай бұрын
You are Literaly 100 mmr lower thats it, i would assume the mmr cluster which match is made of will vary within a few hundred mmr. Which it does.
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
Dude, explain to me how someone with 8W md 1L is lower than 1500 MMR. Even if I assume I am only 1500 MMR with EIGHT WINS and ONE LOSS (LOL), the match is still hundreds of MMR below me.
@jessicasfarrell4 ай бұрын
This is the truth, I don't play anymore. I think the worst part is censoring free speech
@Inemia4 ай бұрын
I've noticed this in the past where doing CR pushes in arena you get placed into "adversity" games where they basically stack the deck against you right before you reach a CR breakpoint. IMO this is to artificially create an experience where your goal is right in front of you then pulled away, and you have to keep playing to get back to it and finally reaching that goal will then feel even more rewarding because you "overcame adversity". generally though good players detect this unauthenticity and it just feels like blizzard took a shit on you for laughs instead.
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
I agree that this is possibly intentional with a psychological bent in place. Very possible. I don't think this type of thing works very well in Blitz though due to the lack of agency in determining outcomes in some matches.
@andyislucid4 ай бұрын
diamond ice freezing trap 💪
@kel17704 ай бұрын
This video has quite a few misunderstandings of how mmr works. The evidence you gave all makes sense in a functional mmr system as well. The highest cr player getting a significantly lower cr gain from a win makes sense, as your mmr would be much closer to your cr than your teammates. Being placed into a high mmr match could also easily happen even to a lower mmr player. You need a larger sample size. The reason this comes across as whining to the moderators is because you are expressing frustration with a system, but your frustration is founded on misinformation, so it just seems like you are making stuff up from their perspective.
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
So, you are telling me that my evoker with 8W and 1L is lower than 1500 MMR. LOL.
@kel17704 ай бұрын
@@RaggokOozo No. You read my comment and you hyper fixated on that one part? Your evoker with 8-1 is probably significantly higher than 1500mmr, and I never even suggested otherwise.
@stevejohnsonofdeitiesanddu97664 ай бұрын
Would you like some Cheese with that Whine?
@Jattox4 ай бұрын
Being put in this kind of crap took me from 1643 to 1467. It is damn near every single game. Put on brainless teams that just want to fight. Cannot get out of it. I just want to make 1800. I love bgb, but i dont enjoy how it's working. Horrible comps, afkers, braindead toxic players.
@ryanrichmond71684 ай бұрын
Yeah I experienced this exact thing towards the start of the season on my warlock. I won my first 10 or so bg blitz's, getting to 1500 very quickly and at that point I hit a wall for quite some time where I was placed in matches where I would gain like 6-8 rating for a win but I would lose 15-20 for a loss. I remember thinking to myself, "how in the world am I suppose to climb with this kind of mmr system?". The 160 matches you've played across all your characters I've nearly accumulated on just one (147 matches @2264 cr). I'm estimating of course but I would say that the bulk of those matches were played between the 1500-1750 mmr range where I would win a few games in a row gaining small amounts of rating and then lose one game and be right back to where I started. Even with a 60 percent win rate it took me quite a while to climb out of the 1500-1750 mmr range. It honestly reminded me of when I used to be really high rated in 3v3 arena back in the day, you would have to win 2 or 3 games for every loss just to break even. The difference is that was happening at 2800 Cr not the 1500 bracket lol. I don't understand why reddit removed your post, you're clearly not whining just trying to address an issue with the MMR system in bg blitz.
@geekstomper55624 ай бұрын
i had the same problem brother. and a lot of braindead turds on the forums have the mentality "well that never happened to me, so you must be lying" thanks for the video proof.
@SnowolfPvP4 ай бұрын
A long time ago someone explained the MMR - CR gain / loss relations (aka this is how it SHOULD work). So there is two different things: Your CR (current state), and your personal MMR (desired state). The MMR usually moving faster (+100 for win, 100 for lose in blitz) than CR (+/- 22). Your personal MMR (which is hidden for some weird reason) influences who you play with and against (your team and enemy team). The rating gain/loss based on the distance of your personal MMR and your CR (your CR tries to catch up to your MMR). It's means if you have 1500 CR and your personal MMR is 1800 then you get a lot of points for win, but you lose no CR if you lost that game. And the opposite, if your MMR is lower than your CR then you lose more and get less for a win (that's why so hard the gain rating after a lose streak, because your personal MMR goes bellow your CR). Now there is this weird "placement games" mystery where you placed in full random teams, totally ignoring your personal MMR (in theory the system is trying to figure out where you belong in MMR). That 20-25 placement game is waay too much, and the MMR rollercoaster is also too much (+/- 50 could be okay instead of the +/- 100).
@numark794 ай бұрын
Has Blizzard ever told us, or do we actually know exactly how many placement games it takes? I just checked my number of games played and I believe I'm at 20 exactly...like is it 20 or 25?
@SnowolfPvP4 ай бұрын
@@numark79 I even asked the "blues" on the forum for an exact response from the devs, but there is no offical statement about this. I don't know, I felt that after 25 games i got more stable team mmr (i played higher team mmr after win and lower after lose, it was +/- 100 and not a total random team like before).
@aiglemimi4 ай бұрын
@@SnowolfPvP 4 wins : same MMR so no :)
@MhortaiGaming4 ай бұрын
Pro tip never take what happens on Reddit seriously. They remove stuff all the time for no reason.
@SnowolfPvP4 ай бұрын
My record was 96% win rate as enhancement shaman with 18 games played. And i was constantly put into 1.3-1.5 mmr teams until i played 20 games. Then i won at 1650ish MMR and my next game i was put in a ~1450 mmr team... i gave up at that point. I went up to only 1550 CR in 22 games with really high winrate. On my evoker i played 12 games / 10 win and i was at 1612 CR already. I can't find any logic in this "system", just randomness.
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
Your progression is heavily determined by the MMR of the teams you get placed against, which is beyond your direct control.
@Retrimania4 ай бұрын
Such a great expansion, with a lot of nice features, but the Pvp is very very bad so far. Its still early in s1 though, i hope we get serious changes and not band aid fixes. Thank you for the upload.
@cappm42014 ай бұрын
We will see our MMR soon. It probably should have been there from the start.. Along with some info about placement.
@NgRiBo4 ай бұрын
I think they copied the rbg rating system. Maybe the high winrate mmr cap comes from there to discourage boosting.
@numark794 ай бұрын
Had a very similar situation myself; maybe 8 wins and 2 losses in, lose the next, minus -11 rating. At 8 wins, 3 losses in a match where both teams MMR is nearly the same; and I'm *losing* rating? o_O I can't say for sure but I'm pretty sure that never happened to me during pre-patch BG Blitz, seemed like I didn't actually lose CR unless our whole team's CR was like several hundred points above the enemy team's and then we lost.
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
Reading through forum posts, I am seeing a lot of people having this same experience.
@D283W-y3q4 ай бұрын
It was nothing like this before this season. If you won your first match you'd go up from 1500. If you won your second and third matches you'd be 1600 mmr, etc. Now I win 7 games and I'm in 1200 matches. It's absolutely nonsensical.
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
@@D283W-y3q Agreed. This feels different. They have changed something and it is having some serious negative consequences.
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
I still like Blitz, I just don't like the MMR system. I'll try to reply to feedback, but storm is coming so might have no power in the next week or so.
@andyislucid4 ай бұрын
true as hell, blitz is fun but the mmr is annoying
@lukeluckynblue18734 ай бұрын
I don't know what is the logic behind people saying you did no DMG in the game or something like that... like the game is focus around objectives What does you dmg matter if you do a off objective fight somwhere on the road ? nothing you gonna lose this is what frustrates me in Blitz the most you are trying to win doing everything using the map looking what happening and there are people fighting 1V1 somewhere and in the end they are the most angry players when we lose :D but they didn't even participate in the game
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
Yep
@tworadon4 ай бұрын
I like how you showed things both on the map and in the game, thanks!
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
You are most welcome. Thank you.
@flowstateentertainment83954 ай бұрын
what this a video comparing arena to bg? stfu. you're 4 mins in and still talking about other things besides blitz.
@miaubella4 ай бұрын
Thank you!! 🤗
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
You're welcome and thank you as well :)
@alicem34154 ай бұрын
Holding the tracks seem really strong relative to capturing the track at the last second or capping the flag. Best to abuse that while people don't know better. I just take the secret track and ninja the enemy cart right away. They don't seem to ever look back.
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
Yeah, not sure what is going to work out best in the end but just holding carts could be the winner depending on how the enemy team is playing it.
@murmurrrr4 ай бұрын
I'm not a good PVPer, I've been stuck around 1500 solo queue arena all week. But in Solo Rated BGs I'm always one of the most valuable players, simply because I understand the objectives. It's such a great addition.
@RaggokOozo4 ай бұрын
Yes, BGB gives room for people to win matches with their intelligence rather than with just pure gameplay mechanics.